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Post by lasion2 on Dec 24, 2018 12:30:54 GMT -5
Been watching a lot of tape on the kid. I’m coming around to really wanting to draft him.
Has an elite arm. Decisions are coming out faster and better. I think he’s the cream this year compared to Herbert and Grier.
I like the idea of him sitting behind Eli for a bit. Drafting a Center or RT. Going FA for a C or RT. Resigning Jamon Brown and LC, and then concentrate on defense for the rest of the draft. Shed JJ and OV when financially appropriate. That’d open up some good cap space to finish the rebuild.
It just seems like the only way to set up the future “quickly”. I think we’d be competitive by 2020-2021 this way.
Your thoughts?
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Post by Kase1 on Dec 24, 2018 12:59:27 GMT -5
Im kind of indecisive on him, he has a KILLER arm and makes great throws, but like the rest of the qbs coming out his field vision and cycling through his options is his biggest weakness. He isnt a running qb, but he can make time in a collapsed pocket. I really havent done alot of homework on him, but he seems like the 2nd best qb in the draft after possibly Herbert.
Since Eli only has 1 more year left, IMO, I would be more willing to draft Lock if we had a qb to bridge the gap between Eli and Lock.... He's good not great
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Post by giantlegacy on Dec 24, 2018 13:19:35 GMT -5
Im kind of indecisive on him, he has a KILLER arm and makes great throws, but like the rest of the qbs coming out his field vision and cycling through his options is his biggest weakness. He isnt a running qb, but he can make time in a collapsed pocket. I really havent done alot of homework on him, but he seems like the 2nd best qb in the draft after possibly Herbert. Since Eli only has 1 more year left, IMO, I would be more willing to draft Lock if we had a qb to bridge the gap between Eli and Lock.... He's good not great He goes into the same pile as Herbert for the reasons you cite In any other year a 2nd roumd at best prospect that is way too risky to consider in the top 10. |
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Post by lasion2 on Dec 24, 2018 14:02:03 GMT -5
I think he’s better than Herbert, but that’s a matter of opinion, so I’ll digress.
Eli is starting next year. I think that much is pretty clear. So your running the risk of picking outside the top 7. Tua and Fromm will likely be gone, and that’s assuming those guys are locks as franchise qbs. Which I don’t think they are. So, now your trading a lot of capital in 2020 and probably 2021 to get and play a rookie in 2020 with a shaky, at best, roster around him and not a ton of draft capital to rebuild around him in 2021. I don’t love these scenarios for a “quick” turnaround, or for the long term health of the team.
Lets see how Lock performs in the liberty bowl and senior bowl and revisit this.
I’ll add one more thing. Mitchell Trubisky and Pat Mahomes may meet in the Super Bowl this year. I’m gonna spend some time and compare their scouting reports to Locks before their respective drafts. I bet they’re pretty close.
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Post by giants8493 on Dec 25, 2018 14:06:34 GMT -5
Sounds like a knockoff Andrew luck to me
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Post by giantfromtheoz on Dec 25, 2018 18:12:32 GMT -5
I wouldn’t say I’m high on any of these guys.
But I did watch some more film. He’s got an arm alright and I saw a guy whose field vision is double where Herbert is at. Both can throw with anticipation. I actually think both guys can be franchise guys with further development
My bold prediction is that he’ll run a better 40 than Herbert who everyone is saying is very athletic.
I do like how he uses his athleticism for extending plays and not running all the time. Jay Cutler is a comparison that has floated the internet and seems about right. Cutler is one, I see a lot of Matt Stafford and obviously those Mahomes comparisons, but I see more Stafford/Cutler if I’m being honest. Not promising comparisons but Stafford is an alright Quarterback. He makes mistakes that he shouldn’t still these days. Just hope he has a bit more of a winning moxy than Stafford.
Those Quiet locker room personalities that people are suggesting don’t phase me. I don’t buy into it either. I read an article with Lock’s coach talking about him leaving the college and the impact he’s made on them. He’s a good leader and he made a dramatic impact on the college.
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Post by fifthavephil on Dec 25, 2018 19:07:54 GMT -5
I wouldn’t say I’m high on any of these guys. But I did watch some more film. He’s got an arm alright and I saw a guy whose field vision is double where Herbert is at. Both can throw with anticipation. I actually think both guys can be franchise guys with further development My bold prediction is that he’ll run a better 40 than Herbert who everyone is saying is very athletic. I do like how he uses his athleticism for extending plays and not running all the time. Jay Cutler is a comparison that has floated the internet and seems about right. Cutler is one, I see a lot of Matt Stafford and obviously those Mahomes comparisons, but I see more Stafford/Cutler if I’m being honest. Not promising comparisons but Stafford is an alright Quarterback. He makes mistakes that he shouldn’t still these days. Just hope he has a bit more of a winning moxy than Stafford. Those Quiet locker room personalities that people are suggesting don’t phase me. I don’t buy into it either. I read an article with Lock’s coach talking about him leaving the college and the impact he’s made on them. He’s a good leader and he made a dramatic impact on the college. Well, if Cutler is his comparison. That alone does not entice me personally. It's like a pitcher who can throw 100mph. But, , has no control. Lock was at Mizzou for four years. Never heard of him until last year. I watch him and besides physical size and arm. I don't see his mental makeup. |
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Post by giantfromtheoz on Dec 25, 2018 20:10:51 GMT -5
I wouldn’t say I’m high on any of these guys. But I did watch some more film. He’s got an arm alright and I saw a guy whose field vision is double where Herbert is at. Both can throw with anticipation. I actually think both guys can be franchise guys with further development My bold prediction is that he’ll run a better 40 than Herbert who everyone is saying is very athletic. I do like how he uses his athleticism for extending plays and not running all the time. Jay Cutler is a comparison that has floated the internet and seems about right. Cutler is one, I see a lot of Matt Stafford and obviously those Mahomes comparisons, but I see more Stafford/Cutler if I’m being honest. Not promising comparisons but Stafford is an alright Quarterback. He makes mistakes that he shouldn’t still these days. Just hope he has a bit more of a winning moxy than Stafford. Those Quiet locker room personalities that people are suggesting don’t phase me. I don’t buy into it either. I read an article with Lock’s coach talking about him leaving the college and the impact he’s made on them. He’s a good leader and he made a dramatic impact on the college. Well, if Cutler is his comparison. That alone does not entice me personally. It's like a pitcher who can throw 100mph. But, , has no control. Lock was at Mizzou for four years. Never heard of him until last year. I watch him and besides physical size and arm. I don't see his mental makeup. Yeah Cutler is not someone I would want the future of the franchise to be compared to. Stafford maybe. I don’t see the mental makeup, just an article I read about his impact on the College. After last season I thought he was going to be a blue chip but he definetly was a bit disappointing but ran a more NFL relevant offense. Possibly better in the long run. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Dec 25, 2018 20:26:00 GMT -5
I wouldn’t say I’m high on any of these guys. But I did watch some more film. He’s got an arm alright and I saw a guy whose field vision is double where Herbert is at. Both can throw with anticipation. I actually think both guys can be franchise guys with further development My bold prediction is that he’ll run a better 40 than Herbert who everyone is saying is very athletic. I do like how he uses his athleticism for extending plays and not running all the time. Jay Cutler is a comparison that has floated the internet and seems about right. Cutler is one, I see a lot of Matt Stafford and obviously those Mahomes comparisons, but I see more Stafford/Cutler if I’m being honest. Not promising comparisons but Stafford is an alright Quarterback. He makes mistakes that he shouldn’t still these days. Just hope he has a bit more of a winning moxy than Stafford. Those Quiet locker room personalities that people are suggesting don’t phase me. I don’t buy into it either. I read an article with Lock’s coach talking about him leaving the college and the impact he’s made on them. He’s a good leader and he made a dramatic impact on the college. Well, if Cutler is his comparison. That alone does not entice me personally. It's like a pitcher who can throw 100mph. But, , has no control. Lock was at Mizzou for four years. Never heard of him until last year. I watch him and besides physical size and arm. I don't see his mental makeup. The Cutler/Stafford comparisons are not good,albeit Stafford probably could have a better won/loss/playoff appearance record had he been on better teams. But to be honest if all we are hearing for upside for these QBs projected to be near the top of the list of QBs coming out(and to me Herbert has looked exactly like Bortles the 3 times I watched him)then we can't spend a 7th overall pick on a guy like this You can find a guy like this on day 2 |
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Post by giantsalmon on Dec 26, 2018 10:00:09 GMT -5
I wouldn’t say I’m high on any of these guys. But I did watch some more film. He’s got an arm alright and I saw a guy whose field vision is double where Herbert is at. Both can throw with anticipation. I actually think both guys can be franchise guys with further development My bold prediction is that he’ll run a better 40 than Herbert who everyone is saying is very athletic. I do like how he uses his athleticism for extending plays and not running all the time. Jay Cutler is a comparison that has floated the internet and seems about right. Cutler is one, I see a lot of Matt Stafford and obviously those Mahomes comparisons, but I see more Stafford/Cutler if I’m being honest. Not promising comparisons but Stafford is an alright Quarterback. He makes mistakes that he shouldn’t still these days. Just hope he has a bit more of a winning moxy than Stafford. Those Quiet locker room personalities that people are suggesting don’t phase me. I don’t buy into it either. I read an article with Lock’s coach talking about him leaving the college and the impact he’s made on them. He’s a good leader and he made a dramatic impact on the college. A winning moxy and strong leadership is what I'd like to see in the next NYG QB. Appreciate the insight. I guess I will watch more bowl games. |
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Post by Kase1 on Dec 27, 2018 17:32:34 GMT -5
Im kind of indecisive on him, he has a KILLER arm and makes great throws, but like the rest of the qbs coming out his field vision and cycling through his options is his biggest weakness. He isnt a running qb, but he can make time in a collapsed pocket. I really havent done alot of homework on him, but he seems like the 2nd best qb in the draft after possibly Herbert. Since Eli only has 1 more year left, IMO, I would be more willing to draft Lock if we had a qb to bridge the gap between Eli and Lock.... He's good not great He goes into the same pile as Herbert for the reasons you cite In any other year a 2nd roumd at best prospect that is way too risky to consider in the top 10. Maybe the constant Jay Cutler comparisons keep me on edge about him.... OTHER than that, he does sound decent... not great, but decent. IMO Id rather wait til 2020 to go after a qb |
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Post by Kase1 on Dec 27, 2018 17:33:07 GMT -5
Sounds like a knockoff Andrew luck to me Id take that.... As long as its a healthy Luck knockoff |
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Post by TCHOF on Dec 27, 2018 18:05:41 GMT -5
I’m a big Dane Brugler fan and he just doesn’t see it with Lock ...,
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Post by Kase1 on Dec 28, 2018 7:10:40 GMT -5
I’m a big Dane Brugler fan and he just doesn’t see it with Lock ..., Does he say why??? |
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Post by lasion2 on Dec 28, 2018 9:22:29 GMT -5
I’m a big Dane Brugler fan and he just doesn’t see it with Lock ..., Does he say why??? Says he looks like Derek Carr. |
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Post by Kase1 on Dec 28, 2018 16:56:48 GMT -5
Says he looks like Derek Carr.
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Post by lasion2 on Dec 28, 2018 17:39:20 GMT -5
Says he looks like Derek Carr.
I guess that kind of lends to my point kase. If we took film from Lock, Mahomes, Wentz (from ndsu!!), and Trubisky from their last year in college would the scouts really be able to say these two guys are mvp caliber players but these other two guys aren’t franchise material? It just seems like everyone since Luck has had the same scouting report; athletic, strong arm, has to work on progressions.... Who is to say Derek Carr on the Texans doesn’t win a super bowl. That’s my main “argument” in this particular case. With the right cast, the right scheme, I think Drew Lock can be a winner with the Giants. Just like a lot of the first round guys. I’m starting to ramble... |
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Post by TCHOF on Dec 28, 2018 18:32:45 GMT -5
Says he looks like Derek Carr. Inaccurate, ability to go through progressions, lack of good big game performances (although he admitted that the Florida win was a big step in the right direction) To me, he seems like a second rounder who will be pushed up into the first round because of the weakness of this draft class ... i.e., some team will reach for him |
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