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Post by Rangers13 on Oct 11, 2021 14:16:30 GMT -5
great team which never loses during every offseason though. Love when he tries to erase his face.
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Post by vinnie on Oct 11, 2021 14:37:16 GMT -5
Why are you so impatient? It's not fair to assess Gettleman after only 53 games. “You guys got to trust us, ok, we’ve been doing this a long time”. Or something close to that. Friggin’ loser Dave.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Oct 11, 2021 14:42:45 GMT -5
Why are you so impatient? It's not fair to assess Gettleman after only 53 games. “You guys got to trust us, ok, we’ve been doing this a long time”. Or something close to that. Friggin’ loser Dave. "Trust the process" Dont worry guys, in 2026, we will finally have more wins than losses at some point in the season.
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Post by Delicreep on Oct 11, 2021 14:45:47 GMT -5
Based on watching Mara make decisions. If at the end of this season we look like we have a franchise QB and LT, I think Gettleman is safe. Mara suffers from that “smarter than everyone in the room” mentality. He didn’t fire Coughlin when everyone was screaming at him to do so, and he won two superbowls because of it. He’ll use that same lens to evaluate Gettleman who has the same affliction (thinking he’s smarter than everyone in the room). A textbook case of confirmation bias if there ever was one. OK...Mara is sitting somewhere right now, contemplating his next move. That lens he looks through tells him he...the ultimate decision maker, made enough right choices to win two Super Bowls. The odds that he looks at the state of the team today and thinks he made a series of bad decisions are long, if they even exist. Going to need an epic intervention for him to see that, and I'm gonna go ahead and guess he doesn't have enough people who will say that to his face.
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Post by Morehead State on Oct 11, 2021 14:54:43 GMT -5
“You guys got to trust us, ok, we’ve been doing this a long time”. Or something close to that. Friggin’ loser Dave. "Trust the process" Dont worry guys, in 2026, we will finally have more wins than losses at some point in the season. Probably not.
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 11, 2021 14:59:07 GMT -5
We are going to need a 26 game winning streak for Gettleman to have a .500 record with this team
Yeah......... How is building a team to win in 1979 in 2019 working out again ?
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Post by Rangers13 on Oct 11, 2021 14:59:13 GMT -5
OK...Mara is sitting somewhere right now, contemplating his next move. yeah, he’s sitting across from Mr Melfi “tell me about those ducks”
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Post by Kruunch on Oct 11, 2021 15:16:11 GMT -5
Dave like our head coach, talks a big game. And like our head coach, comes up small when it matters most. We all remember the Knute Rockne speech when he was hired. I’m still waiting on our team to kick ass. It must have been Bostonian for having your ass kicked. And what about our offensive line being hog mollies? That’s a fish to you fans who didn’t know. They’re more like plankton..
Dave came here with his chest puffed out, and spinach on his chin. With resume at hand, daring anyone to question him. Tough talk has now become a whimper. Another terrible start, which is four years in a row now. And no end in sight. Let’s cut the umbilical cord and be done with this. He’s not going to be our GM moving forward. For one, he’s old enough to have dirt as a first cousin. And second, he’s terrible. Move on, and hope that Mara hires a no man who puts this team back into the hands of competent people.
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Post by snyder55 on Oct 11, 2021 15:27:35 GMT -5
Dave like our head coach, talks a big game. And like our head coach, comes up small when it matters most. We all remember the Knute Rockne speech when he was hired. I’m still waiting on our team to kick ass. It must have been Bostonian for having your ass kicked. And what about our offensive line being hog mollies? That’s a fish to you fans who didn’t know. They’re more like plankton.. Dave came here with his chest puffed out, and spinach on his chin. With resume at hand, daring anyone to question him. Tough talk has now become a whimper. Another terrible start, which is four years in a row now. And no end in sight. Let’s cut the umbilical cord and be done with this. He’s not going to be our GM moving forward. For one, he’s old enough to have dirt as a first cousin. And second, he’s terrible. Move on, and hope that Mara hires a no man who puts this team back into the hands of competent people. Mara will probably give the job to one of his cousins who is working in the garment district as a salesman, just so it all stays in the family...
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Post by cdngfan on Oct 12, 2021 8:55:48 GMT -5
Based on watching Mara make decisions. If at the end of this season we look like we have a franchise QB and LT, I think Gettleman is safe. Mara suffers from that “smarter than everyone in the room” mentality. He didn’t fire Coughlin when everyone was screaming at him to do so, and he won two superbowls because of it. He’ll use that same lens to evaluate Gettleman who has the same affliction (thinking he’s smarter than everyone in the room). A textbook case of confirmation bias if there ever was one. OK...Mara is sitting somewhere right now, contemplating his next move. That lens he looks through tells him he...the ultimate decision maker, made enough right choices to win two Super Bowls. The odds that he looks at the state of the team today and thinks he made a series of bad decisions are long, if they even exist. Going to need an epic intervention for him to see that, and I'm gonna go ahead and guess he doesn't have enough people who will say that to his face. You know what’s amazing? Coughlin did this. He looked at how he was coaching and asked the people in his inner circle what he could change, and they told him to soften his touch and get closer to his players. Strahan noticed and mentioned it in that NFL Flims thing on the SB win. That’s because (imho) coughlin wants to win so bad he was willing to ask if he’s part of the problem. I don’t know if the Maras want to win that bad that they’ll actually consider getting out of the way for awhile to see if they’re part of the problem.
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Post by coughlinscorner on Oct 12, 2021 17:23:21 GMT -5
OK...Mara is sitting somewhere right now, contemplating his next move. That lens he looks through tells him he...the ultimate decision maker, made enough right choices to win two Super Bowls. The odds that he looks at the state of the team today and thinks he made a series of bad decisions are long, if they even exist. Going to need an epic intervention for him to see that, and I'm gonna go ahead and guess he doesn't have enough people who will say that to his face. You know what’s amazing? Coughlin did this. He looked at how he was coaching and asked the people in his inner circle what he could change, and they told him to soften his touch and get closer to his players. Strahan noticed and mentioned it in that NFL Flims thing on the SB win. That’s because (imho) coughlin wants to win so bad he was willing to ask if he’s part of the problem. I don’t know if the Maras want to win that bad that they’ll actually consider getting out of the way for awhile to see if they’re part of the problem. Never going to happen. John Mara has no other interests or talents. How many times can he watch his nieces movies?
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Post by vinnie on Oct 12, 2021 19:36:38 GMT -5
Why are you so impatient? It's not fair to assess Gettleman after only 53 games. Still waiting for an IrishMike sighting since he has officiating lost our avatar bet. I believe he was the same one who said Judge and DG should get another 5 years and he was being serious.
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Post by IrishMike on Oct 12, 2021 19:52:54 GMT -5
Why are you so impatient? It's not fair to assess Gettleman after only 53 games. Still waiting for an IrishMike sighting since he has officiating lost our avatar bet. I believe he was the same one who said Judge and DG should get another 5 years and he was being serious. Go look around brother, I have not gone anywhere. Plenty of posts. I was a little surprised I didn't have a message waiting from you. Not once did I ever say Judge and DG should get another 5 years. I don't even think DG will be around the league for another 5 years even if we win the SB this year. I'm a positive mother****er but no need to make things up.
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Post by vinnie on Oct 12, 2021 21:15:25 GMT -5
Still waiting for an IrishMike sighting since he has officiating lost our avatar bet. I believe he was the same one who said Judge and DG should get another 5 years and he was being serious. Go look around brother, I have not gone anywhere. Plenty of posts. I was a little surprised I didn't have a message waiting from you. Not once did I ever say Judge and DG should get another 5 years. I don't even think DG will be around the league for another 5 years even if we win the SB this year. I'm a positive mother****er but no need to make things up.
Easy. I never said you backed up and I was actually going to send you a pm tomorrow just to check in. I normally see your posts all over, I haven’t today and figured you were probably busy. I understand people have a life outside of a Giants message board. I also said “I believe” it was you who said that, if it wasn’t than I’m almost positive it was another poster we’re all familiar with but I’ll do my DD and get back to you on who said it which may take awhile. I’ll shoot you your new avy tomorrow.
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Post by IrishMike on Oct 13, 2021 5:31:20 GMT -5
Go look around brother, I have not gone anywhere. Plenty of posts. I was a little surprised I didn't have a message waiting from you. Not once did I ever say Judge and DG should get another 5 years. I don't even think DG will be around the league for another 5 years even if we win the SB this year. I'm a positive mother****er but no need to make things up.
Easy. I never said you backed up and I was actually going to send you a pm tomorrow just to check in. I normally see your posts all over, I haven’t today and figured you were probably busy. I understand people have a life outside of a Giants message board. I also said “I believe” it was you who said that, if it wasn’t than I’m almost positive it was another poster we’re all familiar with but I’ll do my DD and get back to you on who said it which may take awhile. I’ll shoot you your new avy tomorrow. I have said in the past that almost all coaches win their first SB with a team within the first five years, most between year 3-5 and personally believe a coach should be given that much time to install his system and try to win as long as they don't lose the locker room. I would have no issue with moving forward with both DG and Judge. I know people don't like one or the other and theres plenty of reasons why but I think the constant turnover is horrible for this franchise and is a big reason why we are constantly bad this TC/Reese left. We need stability.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Oct 13, 2021 5:44:56 GMT -5
Easy. I never said you backed up and I was actually going to send you a pm tomorrow just to check in. I normally see your posts all over, I haven’t today and figured you were probably busy. I understand people have a life outside of a Giants message board. I also said “I believe” it was you who said that, if it wasn’t than I’m almost positive it was another poster we’re all familiar with but I’ll do my DD and get back to you on who said it which may take awhile. I’ll shoot you your new avy tomorrow. I have said in the past that almost all coaches win their first SB with a team within the first five years, most between year 3-5 and personally believe a coach should be given that much time to install his system and try to win as long as they don't lose the locker room. I would have no issue with moving forward with both DG and Judge. I know people don't like one or the other and theres plenty of reasons why but I think the constant turnover is horrible for this franchise and is a big reason why we are constantly bad this TC/Reese left. We need stability. Technically, we were terrible in the final 3-4 years of TC and Reese too. Stability is a very important thing. It's why the Browns struggled for so long. The problem was the transition IMO. Reese should have been fired with Coughlin. Together. I thought Gettleman should have been fired with McAdoo.
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Post by vinnie on Oct 13, 2021 8:01:55 GMT -5
Easy. I never said you backed up and I was actually going to send you a pm tomorrow just to check in. I normally see your posts all over, I haven’t today and figured you were probably busy. I understand people have a life outside of a Giants message board. I also said “I believe” it was you who said that, if it wasn’t than I’m almost positive it was another poster we’re all familiar with but I’ll do my DD and get back to you on who said it which may take awhile. I’ll shoot you your new avy tomorrow. I have said in the past that almost all coaches win their first SB with a team within the first five years, most between year 3-5 and personally believe a coach should be given that much time to install his system and try to win as long as they don't lose the locker room. I would have no issue with moving forward with both DG and Judge. I know people don't like one or the other and theres plenty of reasons why but I think the constant turnover is horrible for this franchise and is a big reason why we are constantly bad this TC/Reese left. We need stability. Not with a GM like Gettleman they don’t unless you consider slowly sinking “stability”. This team is like watching the Titanic go down in slow motion and DG is the captain telling all the passengers everything will be fine.
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Post by FundamentallySoundJones on Oct 13, 2021 14:11:07 GMT -5
Fire Chris Mara and hire someone to oversee the Football operations. They hire the GM and they hire the Coach. Bingo Fredo has been VP since 2011 Notice a trend ...... But until otherwise replacing Gettleman won't have any effect because we all know all we are going to do is promote Fredo's next sock puppet (Abrams) after the obligatory sham of a Rooney rule inter Firing Dave will pacify some but I agree it won't be enough.
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Post by IrishMike on Oct 13, 2021 16:42:41 GMT -5
Technically, we were terrible in the final 3-4 years of TC and Reese too. Stability is a very important thing. It's why the Browns struggled for so long. The problem was the transition IMO. Reese should have been fired with Coughlin. Together. I thought Gettleman should have been fired with McAdoo. Yeah I can agree with the end of the TC/Reese era. Why would DG get fired with Mac when he wasn't even the GM?
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Post by IrishMike on Oct 13, 2021 16:46:46 GMT -5
Not with a GM like Gettleman they don’t unless you consider slowly sinking “stability”. This team is like watching the Titanic go down in slow motion and DG is the captain telling all the passengers everything will be fine. Watching the Titanic go down? It's more like a city burned down, someone stuck DG in the middle of the ashes and then blamed him for the city burning down. He didn't fix this but he also didn't sink us...err burn us down.
I just want stability and switching regimes every two years will never get that. If I made the decisions DG would stay with Judge and Judge would stay as long as we thought Jones was our guy. We start firing guys now and we will start all over again, which some people are ok with. The problem is we will suck for at least another two years if we do that and people will want those guys fired too. We either play this DG/Judge/Jones thing out or we blow it up and start over.
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Post by vinnie on Oct 13, 2021 17:24:27 GMT -5
Not with a GM like Gettleman they don’t unless you consider slowly sinking “stability”. This team is like watching the Titanic go down in slow motion and DG is the captain telling all the passengers everything will be fine. Watching the Titanic go down? It's more like a city burned down, someone stuck DG in the middle of the ashes and then blamed him for the city burning down. He didn't fix this but he also didn't sink us...err burn us down.
I just want stability and switching regimes every two years will never get that. If I made the decisions DG would stay with Judge and Judge would stay as long as we thought Jones was our guy. We start firing guys now and we will start all over again, which some people are ok with. The problem is we will suck for at least another two years if we do that and people will want those guys fired too. We either play this DG/Judge/Jones thing out or we blow it up and start over.
I get your theory but I just can’t trust DG making any more picks or FA acquisitions. Out of all the top first and second round picks he’s had, we don’t have a single player that other teams fear and we have scrubs at some starting positions. He’s missed a lot more than he’s it IMO and the Barkley pick was disgraceful. So was picking Jones at 6. We’ve been over all of this 1K times though, I clearly hope he gets axed and you don’t. Maybe Mara will make that decision in season if things keep going the way they are or maybe we’re have to wait until Black Monday to find out if he stays or goes.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Oct 13, 2021 18:42:31 GMT -5
Technically, we were terrible in the final 3-4 years of TC and Reese too. Stability is a very important thing. It's why the Browns struggled for so long. The problem was the transition IMO. Reese should have been fired with Coughlin. Together. I thought Gettleman should have been fired with McAdoo. Yeah I can agree with the end of the TC/Reese era. Why would DG get fired with Mac when he wasn't even the GM? Sorry I meant Shurmer.
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Post by Morehead State on Oct 13, 2021 18:46:44 GMT -5
Yeah I can agree with the end of the TC/Reese era. Why would DG get fired with Mac when he wasn't even the GM? Sorry I meant Shurmer. You were right the first time...He should have been fired before he was hired.
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Post by IrishMike on Oct 13, 2021 19:18:38 GMT -5
I get your theory but I just can’t trust DG making any more picks or FA acquisitions. Out of all the top first and second round picks he’s had, we don’t have a single player that other teams fear and we have scrubs at some starting positions. He’s missed a lot more than he’s it IMO and the Barkley pick was disgraceful. So was picking Jones at 6. We’ve been over all of this 1K times though, I clearly hope he gets axed and you don’t. Maybe Mara will make that decision in season if things keep going the way they are or maybe we’re have to wait until Black Monday to find out if he stays or goes. Jones absolutely was not a disgrace at 6 lol. Come on now.
The problem is I have done a ton of looking into other GMs and their success rate in the draft and know that DG isn't really much better or worse than anyone else. A few years back we (not you but people here) had this discussion and the Seahawks GM (Schnieder I think) was all the rage and John Elway was being praised as the greatest GMs ever...now not so much. Everyone is praising Steve Keim from the Cardinals now...he has been there since 2013 and is now on his third HC who btw still has a losing record 32 games into his career.
People can be down on DG, just like they were Reese but in the end we will be right back here with the next GM most likely missing more picks than he hits on. It takes time. Flushing everything every 2 years will not work.
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Post by IrishMike on Oct 13, 2021 19:21:24 GMT -5
Yeah I can agree with the end of the TC/Reese era. Why would DG get fired with Mac when he wasn't even the GM? Sorry I meant Shurmer. Well technically I think the Panthers did fire DG when we fired Mac.
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Post by vinnie on Oct 14, 2021 8:12:44 GMT -5
I get your theory but I just can’t trust DG making any more picks or FA acquisitions. Out of all the top first and second round picks he’s had, we don’t have a single player that other teams fear and we have scrubs at some starting positions. He’s missed a lot more than he’s it IMO and the Barkley pick was disgraceful. So was picking Jones at 6. We’ve been over all of this 1K times though, I clearly hope he gets axed and you don’t. Maybe Mara will make that decision in season if things keep going the way they are or maybe we’re have to wait until Black Monday to find out if he stays or goes. Jones absolutely was not a disgrace at 6 lol. Come on now.
The problem is I have done a ton of looking into other GMs and their success rate in the draft and know that DG isn't really much better or worse than anyone else. A few years back we (not you but people here) had this discussion and the Seahawks GM (Schnieder I think) was all the rage and John Elway was being praised as the greatest GMs ever...now not so much. Everyone is praising Steve Keim from the Cardinals now...he has been there since 2013 and is now on his third HC who btw still has a losing record 32 games into his career.
People can be down on DG, just like they were Reese but in the end we will be right back here with the next GM most likely missing more picks than he hits on. It takes time. Flushing everything every 2 years will not work.
A few things, Jones may have been available at 17, I still don’t buy the rumors. Hypothetically we could have had Josh Allen at 6 and Jones at 17. Even if that wasn’t the case, Jones sure as hell wasn’t a “can’t miss QB” and he’s proving to have injury issues, some self inflicted. A huge advantage of drafting a QB is getting him on a rookie contract and loading up the team around him, whether Jones was good or not wouldn’t have mattered, we could have had the same results (or better due to his turnovers) with a journeyman QB. Gettleman screwed it up once again because he and Mara have a sick love affair with Manning so they put the cart before the horse to get his clone. As a result, we drafted Jones at 6 with no O lone, no receivers and little to work with in general. There were also plenty of areas on the other side of the ball we could have addressed (ie Allen at 6) and Sweat instead of Lawrence. Even if you take the picks out of the good/bad GM equation, the way DG has built this team has been nothing short of a disaster. He said himself to build from the inside out and what does he do? The exact opposite starting with Barkley and then Jones. This O line is still in flux and I think it’s far from being solidified next year. Great, Peart had one good game and suddenly everyone is crowning him the starting RT of the future. If Thomas has one bad game does that mean he’s a bust? Still have major questions at both guard spots and center. We have WR’s and CB’s with injury history that he blew the cap on to save his job. Like I said, next year will be year 5 for DG if he’s still here. When he was first hired most people here said if he wasn’t improving every year and at .500 by the end of year 3 then he should be let go. Then he got the COVID and coaching pass, now he may get the injury pass. .500 will be considered a successful season by most next year so the question becomes, what’s the next excuse for 2023/24 going to be? Eventually he’ll be too old and that may be the only reason he’s gone, otherwise Mara and some of you would give him another decade of excuses and preach stability while they continue to be one of the worst teams in the league.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Oct 17, 2021 14:35:06 GMT -5
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Post by Rangers13 on Oct 17, 2021 15:14:40 GMT -5
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Post by drew on Oct 17, 2021 15:16:58 GMT -5
It's hilarious because I saw this coming when they hired Gettleman. "Another 5-10 years of mediocrity coming right up!"
Well, I undersold Gettleman, because we haven't even been mediocre.
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Oct 17, 2021 16:34:45 GMT -5
It is absolutely time. The Giants are so bad I don’t even get mocked by my friends about them, they feel sorry for me. That’s probably worse.
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