Place kicker concerns

[amarth]

Anyone else concerned? I brought this up last year and was pretty much laughed off the boards and was told its easy to find a kicker and it won’t be a problem. IMO, it was a HUGE problem and is still a problem. I think FG kickers are one of the most valuable positions on the team and are frequently responsible for winning or losing a game. Whether it’s making clutch kicks or missing them and not only leaving points on the field but giving the other team the ball with a short field to score, they are crucial.

We’ve been lucky enough to have some great kickers (ie Brown and Bryant) but I have little faith in what we have now. Obviously there are a lot of reasons we lost games last year but Rosas had several opportunities to win games for us and lost. I have zero confidence in him or the back ups. Last eyar, I was told “if he doesn’t look good in pre season there are several veterans looking for jobs, it won’t be a problem”. Plain and simple, he’s not good and I don’t think we should be messing around with giving him more chances.

[Fletch842]

It was a big problem last year, and would have gotten more focus had the whole shebang not gone up in smoke. From what I read during OTAs and mini-camp it sounds like Rojas has not improved so much. Its certainly one of my concerns.

[JoeBigBlue]

Yeah it's a concern and I hope they do bring a vet into camp.

Also, what's going on at punter?

[Deleted]

They didn't cut Rojas?? You gotta be kidding me, I just assumed he was long gone. What's the deal DG? You can't be serious to not upgrade at a position like that which is so easy and inexpensive to upgrade.

[amarth]

Jul 19, 2018 11:57:59 GMT -5 @imripped said:

They didn't cut Rojas?? You gotta be kidding me, I just assumed he was long gone. What's the deal DG? You can't be serious to not upgrade at a position like that which is so easy and inexpensive to upgrade.

He’s too busy over paying for a cheerleader RB in the locker room when there were other areas of much more concern, FG kicker and corner being the most important IMO. Corner may have been harder with the little cap space we had but a decent kicker was more realistic. I sure hope Stewart is as good at 3rd and short as DG thinks he is because if he isn’t that means we’ll be punting or attempting a FG.


Even though Bailey didn’t return to form after he got injured, I’m willing to bet he’ll be back to pro bowl form for the Cowgirls this year which makes me sick. He has literally won several games for them with his leg, we don’t have that luxury. I’m furious DG hasn’t done more to address the issue.

[Miked1958]

Jul 19, 2018 11:18:43 GMT -5 amarth said:

Anyone else concerned? I brought this up last year and was pretty much laughed off the boards and was told its easy to find a kicker and it won’t be a problem. IMO, it was a HUGE problem and is still a problem. I think FG kickers are one of the most valuable positions on the team and are frequently responsible for winning or losing a game. Whether it’s making clutch kicks or missing them and not only leaving points on the field but giving the other team the ball with a short field to score, they are crucial.

We’ve been lucky enough to have some great kickers (ie Brown and Bryant) but I have little faith in what we have now. Obviously there are a lot of reasons we lost games last year but Rosas had several opportunities to win games for us and lost. I have zero confidence in him or the back ups. Last eyar, I was told “if he doesn’t look good in pre season there are several veterans looking for jobs, it won’t be a problem”. Plain and simple, he’s not good and I don’t think we should be messing around with giving him more chances.

Some of these concerns addressed in this thread::

thegiantsboard.proboards.com/thread/298/special-teams

But I agree it is a concern

[Miked1958]

Jul 19, 2018 11:57:59 GMT -5 @imripped said:

They didn't cut Rojas?? You gotta be kidding me, I just assumed he was long gone. What's the deal DG? You can't be serious to not upgrade at a position like that which is so easy and inexpensive to upgrade.

No the cut B. Wing the Punter

[Miked1958]

Jul 19, 2018 11:39:23 GMT -5 JoeBigBlue said:

Yeah it's a concern and I hope they do bring a vet into camp.

Also, what's going on at punter?

They traded for one early in the offseason and gave up one of our draft picks for him. Most on the boards not to confident in him. I can't even recall his name or what team they got him from

[Deleted]

Jul 19, 2018 13:06:06 GMT -5 Miked1958 said:

Jul 19, 2018 11:57:59 GMT -5 @imripped said:

They didn't cut Rojas?? You gotta be kidding me, I just assumed he was long gone. What's the deal DG? You can't be serious to not upgrade at a position like that which is so easy and inexpensive to upgrade.

No the cut B. Wing the Punter

Well he needed to go too

[jmike]

Jul 19, 2018 11:39:23 GMT -5 JoeBigBlue said:

Yeah it's a concern and I hope they do bring a vet into camp.

Also, what's going on at punter?

Dixon is the favorite for the spot.  Never stood out to me as particular good, but the Giants felt he was worth trading for.

[Deleted]

Jul 19, 2018 12:59:17 GMT -5 amarth said:

Jul 19, 2018 11:57:59 GMT -5 @imripped said:

They didn't cut Rojas?? You gotta be kidding me, I just assumed he was long gone. What's the deal DG? You can't be serious to not upgrade at a position like that which is so easy and inexpensive to upgrade.

He’s too busy over paying for a cheerleader RB in the locker room when there were other areas of much more concern, FG kicker and corner being the most important IMO. Corner may have been harder with the little cap space we had but a decent kicker was more realistic. I sure hope Stewart is as good at 3rd and short as DG thinks he is because if he isn’t that means we’ll be punting or attempting a FG.


Even though Bailey didn’t return to form after he got injured, I’m willing to bet he’ll be back to pro bowl form for the Cowgirls this year which makes me sick. He has literally won several games for them with his leg, we don’t have that luxury. I’m furious DG hasn’t done more to address the issue.

And the Eagles who find some no name to drill 61 yard FGs to beat us. Meanwhile our no name couldn't make an extra point. 

[jmike]

Jul 19, 2018 12:59:17 GMT -5 amarth said:

Jul 19, 2018 11:57:59 GMT -5 @imripped said:

They didn't cut Rojas?? You gotta be kidding me, I just assumed he was long gone. What's the deal DG? You can't be serious to not upgrade at a position like that which is so easy and inexpensive to upgrade.

He’s too busy over paying for a cheerleader RB in the locker room when there were other areas of much more concern, FG kicker and corner being the most important IMO. Corner may have been harder with the little cap space we had but a decent kicker was more realistic. I sure hope Stewart is as good at 3rd and short as DG thinks he is because if he isn’t that means we’ll be punting or attempting a FG.


Even though Bailey didn’t return to form after he got injured, I’m willing to bet he’ll be back to pro bowl form for the Cowgirls this year which makes me sick. He has literally won several games for them with his leg, we don’t have that luxury. I’m furious DG hasn’t done more to address the issue.

What available kicker would you have acquired?  Not sarcastic, seriously curious, because I didn't see a lot of options this off season.

[Sarcasman]

Jul 19, 2018 16:26:49 GMT -5 jmike said:

Jul 19, 2018 12:59:17 GMT -5 amarth said:

He’s too busy over paying for a cheerleader RB in the locker room when there were other areas of much more concern, FG kicker and corner being the most important IMO. Corner may have been harder with the little cap space we had but a decent kicker was more realistic. I sure hope Stewart is as good at 3rd and short as DG thinks he is because if he isn’t that means we’ll be punting or attempting a FG.


Even though Bailey didn’t return to form after he got injured, I’m willing to bet he’ll be back to pro bowl form for the Cowgirls this year which makes me sick. He has literally won several games for them with his leg, we don’t have that luxury. I’m furious DG hasn’t done more to address the issue.

What available kicker would you have acquired?  Not sarcastic, seriously curious, because I didn't see a lot of options this off season.

Me neither but the OP makes a good point.   I think the Giants will be lookers for veterans released.  

[Fletch842]

Jul 19, 2018 16:26:49 GMT -5 jmike said:

Jul 19, 2018 12:59:17 GMT -5 amarth said:

He’s too busy over paying for a cheerleader RB in the locker room when there were other areas of much more concern, FG kicker and corner being the most important IMO. Corner may have been harder with the little cap space we had but a decent kicker was more realistic. I sure hope Stewart is as good at 3rd and short as DG thinks he is because if he isn’t that means we’ll be punting or attempting a FG.


Even though Bailey didn’t return to form after he got injured, I’m willing to bet he’ll be back to pro bowl form for the Cowgirls this year which makes me sick. He has literally won several games for them with his leg, we don’t have that luxury. I’m furious DG hasn’t done more to address the issue.

What available kicker would you have acquired?  Not sarcastic, seriously curious, because I didn't see a lot of options this off season.

last year in hindsight, we should have kept Nugent.  Of course, I was in favor of giving it to the "promising" young guy.  Good thing I'm not GM... 

[TEM]

Jul 19, 2018 11:18:43 GMT -5 amarth said:

Anyone else concerned? I brought this up last year and was pretty much laughed off the boards and was told its easy to find a kicker and it won’t be a problem. IMO, it was a HUGE problem and is still a problem. I think FG kickers are one of the most valuable positions on the team and are frequently responsible for winning or losing a game. Whether it’s making clutch kicks or missing them and not only leaving points on the field but giving the other team the ball with a short field to score, they are crucial.

We’ve been lucky enough to have some great kickers (ie Brown and Bryant) but I have little faith in what we have now. Obviously there are a lot of reasons we lost games last year but Rosas had several opportunities to win games for us and lost. I have zero confidence in him or the back ups. Last eyar, I was told “if he doesn’t look good in pre season there are several veterans looking for jobs, it won’t be a problem”. Plain and simple, he’s not good and I don’t think we should be messing around with giving him more chances.

Good points and I have been concerned.

[Merc]

I'm not concerned. He was perfect in preseason and his performance dropped with the rest of the team. How much of those misses were due to hurried kicks? I believe he was another victim of our Oline.

[amarth]

jmike, still having oroblems figuring this quote thing out. This would have been a start. I haven’t checked every single one of them tomsee who’s still available but surely any/most of them are upgrades but it may be too late now.

giantswire.usatoday.com/2018/03/07/new-york-giants-5-free-agent-kickers-should-consider/

www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2018-nfl-free-agency-vinatieri-janikowski-headline-loaded-class-of-kickers/

[amarth]

Jul 19, 2018 17:54:28 GMT -5 Merc said:

I'm not concerned. He was perfect in preseason and his performance dropped with the rest of the team. How much of those misses were due to hurried kicks? I believe he was another victim of our Oline.

I respectfully disagree. I don’t recall the O line being responsible for his overall piss poor performance and FG kicker and punter are probably the only two positions whose performance shouldn’t be effected by the rest of the team barring the occasional rush.

[ThatGuyRich]

Don't know if Rojas showed the new regime anything but they got rid of the punter (Wing) thank God. But didn't seem to be looking for a kicker, though I believe they brought a 2nd kicker into camp (not sure). But we certainly can use a significant improvement from last year.

We have one tough schedule and we'll need those FG's to win some of these games.

[amarth]

Jul 19, 2018 19:54:16 GMT -5 ThatGuyRich said:

Don't know if Rojas showed the new regime anything but they got rid of the punter (Wing) thank God. But didn't seem to be looking for a kicker, though I believe they brought a 2nd kicker into camp (not sure). But we certainly can use a significant improvement from last year.

We have one tough schedule and we'll need those FG's to win some of these games.

You got that right. You can bet there will be at least 2-3 games that come down to a FG kick directly and a few more that a missed/made FG at some point during the game will be the difference between a win and loss. I don’t think we’ll be that dominant on either side of the ball for FG’s not be criticial in almost every game we play. 

This is honestly the position I’m most concerned about, Flowers is a close second.

[Merc]

Rosas has a strong leg and this is his second season. He should be improved.

[amarth]

Jul 19, 2018 20:08:48 GMT -5 Merc said:

Rosas has a strong leg and this is his second season. He should be improved.

Heard the same thing about his strong leg last year. Flowers “should” have improved as well. Again, this is one position we shouldn’t be messing around with. DG has made some questionable moves IMO and it’s pretty clear he’s going for the “win now” approach but apparently he forgot about one of the top 2-3 most important positions on the field. After what we saw last year, I think it’s really dumb to roll into this season without a better proven alternative. Instead, we’re just crossing our fingers.

[Sarcasman]

Jul 19, 2018 20:17:10 GMT -5 amarth said:

Jul 19, 2018 20:08:48 GMT -5 Merc said:

Rosas has a strong leg and this is his second season. He should be improved.

Heard the same thing about his strong leg last year. Flowers “should” have improved as well. Again, this is one position we shouldn’t be messing around with. DG has made some questionable moves IMO and it’s pretty clear he’s going for the “win now” approach but apparently he forgot about one of the top 2-3 most important positions on the field. After what we saw last year, I think it’s really dumb to roll into this season without a better proven alternative. Instead, we’re just crossing our fingers.

Which moves of his did you feel were questionable?

[Deleted]

Jul 20, 2018 1:16:57 GMT -5 Sarcasman said:

Jul 19, 2018 20:17:10 GMT -5 amarth said:

Heard the same thing about his strong leg last year. Flowers “should” have improved as well. Again, this is one position we shouldn’t be messing around with. DG has made some questionable moves IMO and it’s pretty clear he’s going for the “win now” approach but apparently he forgot about one of the top 2-3 most important positions on the field. After what we saw last year, I think it’s really dumb to roll into this season without a better proven alternative. Instead, we’re just crossing our fingers.

Which moves of his did you feel were questionable?

The move that dumbfounded me was not making Ross Cockrell an offer. And hen proceeding to sign 376 CBs to the roster and drafting one with a 3rd round supplemental pick.

Should have kept Cockrell, drafted Beal and then still signed some back fill CBs. Right now starters are Jenkins...Apple...and...Beal?

[amarth]

[/quote]Which moves of his did you feel were questionable?[/quote]

Signing Stewart for one. I don’t want to hear the leadership bs, when we have a lot of positions to fill, little depth and drafted a RB second overall, that was the last position we needed to address.

Letting Cockrell go was dumb. He wasn’t great but neither is Solder. He added depth and was better than what we have now. We also could have got Fleming on the cheap who can not only play both tackle positions and would have been a big upgrade over Flowers.

[Deleted]

Jul 20, 2018 1:16:57 GMT -5 Sarcasman said:

Jul 19, 2018 20:17:10 GMT -5 amarth said:

Heard the same thing about his strong leg last year. Flowers “should” have improved as well. Again, this is one position we shouldn’t be messing around with. DG has made some questionable moves IMO and it’s pretty clear he’s going for the “win now” approach but apparently he forgot about one of the top 2-3 most important positions on the field. After what we saw last year, I think it’s really dumb to roll into this season without a better proven alternative. Instead, we’re just crossing our fingers.

Which moves of his did you feel were questionable?

Would you like for me to answer that? 

[jmike]

Jul 20, 2018 1:16:57 GMT -5 Sarcasman said:

Jul 19, 2018 20:17:10 GMT -5 amarth said:

Heard the same thing about his strong leg last year. Flowers “should” have improved as well. Again, this is one position we shouldn’t be messing around with. DG has made some questionable moves IMO and it’s pretty clear he’s going for the “win now” approach but apparently he forgot about one of the top 2-3 most important positions on the field. After what we saw last year, I think it’s really dumb to roll into this season without a better proven alternative. Instead, we’re just crossing our fingers.

Which moves of his did you feel were questionable?

Technically speaking, all moves can be questioned.

[shocknaweny]

considering Rosas went 17 for 25 on field goals last season yes I'm quite concerned lol 

[Merc]

Jul 20, 2018 8:15:43 GMT -5 amarth said:

Which moves of his did you feel were questionable?[/quote]

Signing Stewart for one. I don’t want to hear the leadership bs, when we have a lot of positions to fill, little depth and drafted a RB second overall, that was the last position we needed to address.

Letting Cockrell go was dumb. He wasn’t great but neither is Solder. He added depth and was better than what we have now. We also could have got Fleming on the cheap who can not only play both tackle positions and would have been a big upgrade over Flowers.[/quote]




Cockrell got 3.5M/year, Beal 700K. We are at the limit of our cap. Gettleman did a great job getting talent with the limited cap left after Reese's departure.

[Sarcasman]

Jul 20, 2018 8:15:43 GMT -5 amarth said:

Which moves of his did you feel were questionable?[/quote]

Signing Stewart for one. I don’t want to hear the leadership bs, when we have a lot of positions to fill, little depth and drafted a RB second overall, that was the last position we needed to address.

Letting Cockrell go was dumb. He wasn’t great but neither is Solder. He added depth and was better than what we have now. We also could have got Fleming on the cheap who can not only play both tackle positions and would have been a big upgrade over Flowers.[/quote]


All good points.  I was not dialed in on Fleming but agree on both Cockerell and Stewart.   And I was fine with the Stewart signing, just not a thing that money.  I get the value of that role, but that seems like a league veteran minimum job.