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Post by brownelvis54 on Jul 24, 2018 18:22:15 GMT -5
Both rookies......who do you think has a bigger impact?
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Post by TEM on Jul 24, 2018 19:13:15 GMT -5
I think Hill is going to be. Not because he is going to have a better career . It is because of his position. He may start day one by necessity . I do not think Carter will have that opportunity with OV, Martin Ogletree, Goodson and now Barwin . In fact I could see Goodson being bumped for Barwin by the end of camp.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Jul 24, 2018 19:16:57 GMT -5
Both our 3rd rd picks, don't know where Hill is going to wind up yet probably DE but he may get snaps at nose tackle. He may be more effective vs the run where Carter probably gets more chances from the outside for QB sacks. I'm assuming Carter will usually be the 4th pass rusher in 3rd and longs and most passing situations.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2018 20:08:02 GMT -5
Probably BJ Hill. Interior guys seem to usually develop much quicker than edge rushers. Gettleman also has a very good track record drafting interior DL. Kind of has that position cased.
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Post by mikethenygfan on Jul 25, 2018 6:57:41 GMT -5
Hopefully carter is starting in the second half of the year and can pile up some important sacks to get us in the playoffs!
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Post by shocknaweny on Jul 25, 2018 15:23:02 GMT -5
I think Hill is going to be. Not because he is going to have a better career . It is because of his position. He may start day one by necessity . I do not think Carter will have that opportunity with OV, Martin Ogletree, Goodson and now Barwin . In fact I could see Goodson being bumped for Barwin by the end of camp. I thought Barwin was an outside backer in the 3-4 |
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Post by TEM on Jul 25, 2018 16:12:18 GMT -5
I think Hill is going to be. Not because he is going to have a better career . It is because of his position. He may start day one by necessity . I do not think Carter will have that opportunity with OV, Martin Ogletree, Goodson and now Barwin . In fact I could see Goodson being bumped for Barwin by the end of camp. I thought Barwin was an outside backer in the 3-4 I thought I read he can play inside but I might have Saw he played DE and LB and believed MLB. |
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Post by shocknaweny on Jul 25, 2018 16:33:00 GMT -5
I thought Barwin was an outside backer in the 3-4 I thought I read he can play inside but I might have Saw he played DE and LB and believed MLB.
If he can play inside great but I don't think that I have seen that out of him yet
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Post by TEM on Jul 25, 2018 16:43:01 GMT -5
I thought I read he can play inside but I might have Saw he played DE and LB and believed MLB.
If he can play inside great but I don't think that I have seen that out of him yet
If he can that would be a + But I think he could be in the middle on blitz packages and 3rd and long. |
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Post by jmike on Jul 26, 2018 11:51:22 GMT -5
Since I think Carter will be used on special teams and situationally on defense. He will be in a position to make more plays that stand out. Many think Hill could earn a starting spot, but historically it takes defensive lineman, particularly interior guys, a season before they ready to be productive in a full time role.
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Post by goldenratio on Jul 26, 2018 11:58:29 GMT -5
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Post by bavarobeast on Jul 26, 2018 12:08:53 GMT -5
Many OL in the NFL will be able to neutralize BJ Hill.
Few will be able to deal with the combination of strength - speed - quickness - aggressiveness and athleticism of Carter.
By the end of the year he will be a terror if coached properly.
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Post by goldenratio on Jul 26, 2018 12:45:00 GMT -5
Many OL in the NFL will be able to neutralize BJ Hill. Few will be able to deal with the combination of strength - speed - quickness - aggressiveness and athleticism of Carter. By the end of the year he will be a terror if coached properly. That would be my guess also, despite the BJ Hill hype, i think Carter could be the better player. Both will be going up against the likes of tyron smith and trent whathisface from the redskins etc. No easy task. Carter had some great college tape but it was inconsistent, probably due to his being asked to be a jack of all trades, and play multiple positions. He looked lost out there in college a lot. If he is given one position to focus on he should hopefully excel. I think the media has reported the team is saying Carter will be a pass rusher & edge setter, which they feel are his strengths. Let's hope they are right. He reminds me of Ogletree actually, but perhaps more athletic. It should be fun to watch his progression/development in the NFL. |
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Post by GameTime on Jul 26, 2018 12:47:25 GMT -5
It would be refreshing if we could argue which LB from the NYGs was playing great!!
Hope we are able to have that discussion
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Post by goldenratio on Jul 26, 2018 12:54:03 GMT -5
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Post by bavarobeast on Jul 26, 2018 13:17:30 GMT -5
Many OL in the NFL will be able to neutralize BJ Hill. Few will be able to deal with the combination of strength - speed - quickness - aggressiveness and athleticism of Carter. By the end of the year he will be a terror if coached properly. That would be my guess also, despite the BJ Hill hype, i think Carter could be the better player. Both will be going up against the likes of tyron smith and trent whathisface from the redskins etc. No easy task. Carter had some great college tape but it was inconsistent, probably due to his being asked to be a jack of all trades, and play multiple positions. He looked lost out there in college a lot. If he is given one position to focus on he should hopefully excel. I think the media has reported the team is saying Carter will be a pass rusher & edge setter, which they feel are his strengths. Let's hope they are right. He reminds me of Ogletree actually, but perhaps more athletic. It should be fun to watch his progression/development in the NFL. You made several on target points. That's why I made my " coached properly " comment. He was asked wear too many hats at Georgia but he is an athletic beast and the coaches obviously felt he could contribute in multiple ways. |
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Post by goldenratio on Jul 26, 2018 13:20:03 GMT -5
That would be my guess also, despite the BJ Hill hype, i think Carter could be the better player. Both will be going up against the likes of tyron smith and trent whathisface from the redskins etc. No easy task. Carter had some great college tape but it was inconsistent, probably due to his being asked to be a jack of all trades, and play multiple positions. He looked lost out there in college a lot. If he is given one position to focus on he should hopefully excel. I think the media has reported the team is saying Carter will be a pass rusher & edge setter, which they feel are his strengths. Let's hope they are right. He reminds me of Ogletree actually, but perhaps more athletic. It should be fun to watch his progression/development in the NFL. You made several on target points. That's why I made my " coached properly " comment. He was asked wear too many hats at Georgia but he is an athletic beast and the coaches obviously felt he could contribute in multiple ways. Yeah man. Agree wholeheartedly. High Hopes for the kid. He appears to be a nice fella also in his interviews which is a big plus. |
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Post by Blue Hulk on Jul 26, 2018 23:40:07 GMT -5
BJ Hill is in a better situation without any natural 3 techs
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Post by goldenratio on Jul 27, 2018 0:28:36 GMT -5
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Post by Kase1 on Jul 28, 2018 7:13:56 GMT -5
Personally i think Carter will have more stand out plays due to position, initially a pass rush specialist with the new addition of Barwin and the transition to OLB for Vernon. Hill may be a good pro, but i think it will take a season or 2 to get into his own... Then again i wasnt in the inner circle when it came to Hill, so who knows
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jul 29, 2018 9:50:11 GMT -5
I thought Barwin was an outside backer in the 3-4 I thought I read he can play inside but I might have Saw he played DE and LB and believed MLB. think he played DE in the 4-3 and OLB in the odd man front, some folks think he can play ILB but until they have conformation on who the best 3 edge rushers are I think he will stay outside, unless someone unproven steps up and proves they are better. |
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Post by TEM on Jul 29, 2018 9:53:51 GMT -5
I thought I read he can play inside but I might have Saw he played DE and LB and believed MLB. think he played DE in the 4-3 and OLB in the odd man front, some folks think he can play ILB but until they have conformation on who the best 3 edge rushers are I think he will stay outside, unless someone unproven steps up and proves they are better. He has been getting pressure in camp . A good sign. We may have stole him for what we got him for. ( fingers crossed) |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jul 29, 2018 10:02:56 GMT -5
think he played DE in the 4-3 and OLB in the odd man front, some folks think he can play ILB but until they have conformation on who the best 3 edge rushers are I think he will stay outside, unless someone unproven steps up and proves they are better. He has been getting pressure in camp . A good sign. We may have stole him for what we got him for. ( fingers crossed) Agree it's been a while since we had a guy like him long athletic smart,I know it's early but I loved this pick from the jump, if he stays healthy think he will be a guy to watch. |
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Post by bigblue999 on Jul 29, 2018 18:50:10 GMT -5
Both rookies......who do you think has a bigger impact? Carter should have a better year. I am a big fan of Hill, but I think given his position, he will be up against some elite left tackles and maybe neutralized most of the season. Carter should take advantage of the blitz and pressure schemes to make a bigger impact |
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