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Post by giantlegacy on Jul 3, 2019 19:10:35 GMT -5
I think Eli got sacked 4 or 5 times I'm the Super bowl did wow don't remember the bliss of winning makes everything better lol. We got sacked out of FG range on the opening drive(which lead to the punt inside the 5 then the safety) That really was the only thing that stopped us from winning kinda convincingly because save for a 10 minute stretch between the middle of the 2nd and the Patriots opening drive in the 3rd we kinda dominated
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jul 3, 2019 19:20:48 GMT -5
did wow don't remember the bliss of winning makes everything better lol. We got sacked out of FG range on the opening drive(which lead to the punt inside the 5 then the safety) That really was the only thing that stopped us from winning kinda convincingly because save for a 10 minute stretch between the middle of the 2nd and the Patriots opening drive in the 3rd we kinda dominated Oh yea they were getting ready to take control when I think Booth got called on phantom holding call which was confirmed with an NFL sound bite of the ref asking Willfork after the call if he was held and he replied nope, BJ had a big run brought back they were about to take a commanding lead I believe.
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Jul 3, 2019 22:09:47 GMT -5
Phil, Eli and Justin Tuck.
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Post by arrjay on Jul 16, 2019 14:49:50 GMT -5
Eli Tuck O.J.
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Post by giantsrock on Jul 20, 2019 16:38:52 GMT -5
Justin Tuck was the real MVP in Super Bowl XLII WE do NOT stand a chance without his constant pressure on TB12 and that offence He would have gotten my vote.
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Post by bringsimmsback on Jul 20, 2019 21:15:30 GMT -5
Eli Manning will be remembered as one of the great Superbowl performers in the history of the league, not just the team. At least someone here got it right... People like to dismiss Eli because the defense, but it was the offense that had to win both games. They don't talk about Simms as much because those were bad Bronco teams that Elway led to those Superbowls and they had no business being there. I think level of competition counts for something. I would count Simms as a distant #2. But whatever he did in that game can never touch what Eli accomplished against what will be known as the greatest team of all time... Twice. Patriots are not the greatest team ever or all time, "franchise......maybe" but those teams Eli beat aren't close to all time great teams. There is no bigger Eli supporter than me ask anyone but the Giants defense and Justin Tuck could very well have been the MVP's of those games and I love Eli but it's a fact. As for Simms it was a different time and game that you seem not to grasp( not a shot) becuase if you could you would understand just how great he played in that first Super bowl . You don't think a team that went undefeated until the SB should be in discussion for one of the greatest teams? Eli made some amazing throws at critical points in that game. I agree that what Simms accomplished was amazing and I would put him at the top of my list.
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Post by bringsimmsback on Jul 21, 2019 10:38:48 GMT -5
You don't think a team that went undefeated until the SB should be in discussion for one of the greatest teams? Eli made some amazing throws at critical points in that game. I agree that what Simms accomplished was amazing and I would put him at the top of my list. No, example the Giants all so knocked off another "undefeated team"(Bronco's ) under Jim Fassel and they weren't considerd one of the leagues greatest teams either. I think there is a big difference between 13-0, finishing 14-2 and 18-0. Even so, that Denver team is considered by some to be a great SB winner and I'm sure that if the Patriots had beaten the Giants to go 19-0, they would have been considered one of the best teams ever. Bleacher Report ranked that team as the 6th best ever despite loosing and said the following: Regular Season Record: 16-0
Championship Game: 17-14 loss to Giants, Super Bowl XLII
Alright, here we go: probably the most controversial entry on this list...which is saying something considering I have the '72 Dolphins three spots back.
Yes, the Pats didn't win Super Bowl XLII. Not only that, but I've chosen this Patriots club over the three others that did win Super Bowls in 2001, 2003 and 2004.
But look at the offensive numbers New England put up in 2007—they are mind-boggling. For that single season, the Tom Brady-to-Randy Moss connection was more prolific than any in history, and that includes Joe Montana/Jerry Rice, Steve Young/Jerry Rice, Peyton Manning/Marvin Harrison, etc.
Throw in the fantastic season that Wes Welker had (112 catches, 1,175 yards) and it was arguably the greatest passing attack ever.
And it's easy to forget now since the Pats defense has been much-maligned over the past few seasons, but the 2007 team (that had Junior Seau, Richard Seymour, Mike Vrabel, Asante Samuel, and Tedy Bruschi to go along with Vince Wilfork) was one of the NFL's best. They ranked fourth in points and yards surrendered.
They just ran into a team that was essentially built to beat New England: that Giants front four was just the perfect antidote to Brady's magic.
bleacherreport.com/articles/1198408-the-50-best-teams-in-nfl-history#slide45All that said, I don't think they need to be considered one of the best ever, or their 2011 version either, for Eli's accomplishment in helping to beat them to be considered great SB performances.
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Post by Morehead State on Jul 21, 2019 10:47:43 GMT -5
Oh my God....Phil Simms essentially threw a perfect game in SB XXI. He HAS to be on the top of the list. Plus it was the Giants first SB win.
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Post by Roswell on Aug 21, 2019 14:19:02 GMT -5
Phil Simms, XXI, 22 for 25... best ever completion % in a SB Giant D in SB XXV Giant D in SB XLII Manningham and Tyree were not dominant throughout their game. Otis Anderson was more influential than Hostetler in XXV. The D won the game. Otis was the best offensive player. Eli was solid, but not great in his two SB's. His pass to Tyree was a super miracle... it was escaping the rush that made the pass even possible. His pass to Manningham was as perfect as could be. Overall, however, he was just solid. I'll go with these three as well but I disagree with you Zim on the Hoss point. I thought Hoss was their best offensive player in that game even tho Anderson was named the MVP.
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Post by shocknaweny on Aug 21, 2019 16:27:03 GMT -5
Justin Tuck and Osi Umenyiora XLII
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Post by Zimonami on Aug 21, 2019 18:17:48 GMT -5
Phil Simms, XXI, 22 for 25... best ever completion % in a SB Giant D in SB XXV Giant D in SB XLII Manningham and Tyree were not dominant throughout their game. Otis Anderson was more influential than Hostetler in XXV. The D won the game. Otis was the best offensive player. Eli was solid, but not great in his two SB's. His pass to Tyree was a super miracle... it was escaping the rush that made the pass even possible. His pass to Manningham was as perfect as could be. Overall, however, he was just solid. I'll go with these three as well but I disagree with you Zim on the Hoss point. I thought Hoss was their best offensive player in that game even tho Anderson was named the MVP. No argument. We don't even get to the SB without Hoss' contributions... stepped up big time and made few rookie mistakes. One reason I go Otis is because I read in several sources that OJ talked to Hoss the whole game, kept him relaxed, and had plenty of good advice to give him in damned near every huddle and on the side lines. He babysat him to make sure his head was screwed on straight. But, again... no argument. Hoss made the throws he needed, with no mistakes that could cost us.
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Post by coughlinscorner on Aug 21, 2019 19:53:47 GMT -5
they were ancient and they still tried to squeeze a few more years out, they played better during the run sans the san fran championship game. I think Eli got sacked 4 or 5 times I'm the Super bowl 3 in each game.
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Post by Roswell on Aug 21, 2019 20:22:17 GMT -5
I'll go with these three as well but I disagree with you Zim on the Hoss point. I thought Hoss was their best offensive player in that game even tho Anderson was named the MVP. No argument. We don't even get to the SB without Hoss' contributions... stepped up big time and made few rookie mistakes. One reason I go Otis is because I read in several sources that OJ talked to Hoss the whole game, kept him relaxed, and had plenty of good advice to give him in damned near every huddle and on the side lines. He babysat him to make sure his head was screwed on straight. But, again... no argument. Hoss made the throws he needed, with no mistakes that could cost us. Zim today you taught your old cyber buddy Roswell something. I never heard that story. Thanks for sharing. Now I want to switch my thoughts about it. Never knew OJ was in Hoss’ ear.
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Post by Zimonami on Aug 21, 2019 21:53:05 GMT -5
No argument. We don't even get to the SB without Hoss' contributions... stepped up big time and made few rookie mistakes. One reason I go Otis is because I read in several sources that OJ talked to Hoss the whole game, kept him relaxed, and had plenty of good advice to give him in damned near every huddle and on the side lines. He babysat him to make sure his head was screwed on straight. But, again... no argument. Hoss made the throws he needed, with no mistakes that could cost us. Zim today you taught your old cyber buddy Roswell something. I never heard that story. Thanks for sharing. Now I want to switch my thoughts about it. Never knew OJ was in Hoss’ ear. Hoss raved about how OJ mentored him from the minute Simms got hurt. OJ knew the rookie needed a calming, veteran voice in his ear. And, all those yards OJ ran for took a lot of pressure off Hoss. Hoss played great and managed the game beautifully. He made a big play just keeping that Bruce Smith sack to a mere safety.
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Post by ukgiantsfan on Aug 23, 2019 14:51:15 GMT -5
i was sitting near the sideline in Glendale Az when Steve Smith converted that 3rd and 11 ( and got out of bounds ) right in front of me ........my favourite NFL play of all time in my 49 years on this planet
regards UK
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Post by giantlegacy on Aug 25, 2019 16:17:54 GMT -5
i was sitting near the sideline in Glendale Az when Steve Smith converted that 3rd and 11 ( and got out of bounds ) right in front of me ........my favourite NFL play of all time in my 49 years on this planet regards UK That play goes relatively unnoticed in that drive... After that play pretty much it was a foregone conclusion we were scoring
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Post by magilla on Sept 1, 2019 17:00:19 GMT -5
1.Eli Manning Big gap 2.Carl Banks( would have been MVP in the first super bowl if Simms was a mere mortal and also had a huge game the 2nd one 3.Justin Tuck..wasn't as dominant as Banks but also stepped up big in his 2 big games Tuck played big in both 07 and 11 some folks think he should have been MVP couldn't argue if he was, think if Eli played like ben did in his first superbowl it would have been Tucks. If Eli played like Ben RapistFatBurger, we would've lost SuperBowl.
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Post by magilla on Sept 1, 2019 17:04:01 GMT -5
they were ancient and they still tried to squeeze a few more years out, they played better during the run sans the san fran championship game. I think Eli got sacked 4 or 5 times I'm the Super bowl Eli was sacked more than Tom Brady was in Super Bowl LXVI. Eli performance in SuperBowl LXVI is underrated. When NE Patriots came back and took lead 17-9, our Defense was taken aback but Eli and the Offense put together a methodical drive that took some time, put up three points and gave our Defense a chance to catch their breath and compose themselves. Defense then came out ravenous and the next drive, Eli led Offense once again on a methodical drive that resulted in three points.
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Post by magilla on Sept 2, 2019 0:07:18 GMT -5
Its hard to pick three best performances but I think that the first two are clear.
1-Carl Banks may have played better than not just any LB but any Defensive player ever in a SuperBowl. Carl was legendary.
1A- Phil Simms played the most efficient of any QB in a SuperBowl.
3-Yes. It was a team effort but Eli took over and dictated SuperBowl LXVI when it fell on his shoulders. That game was about to get out of hand when NE Patriots went up 17-9 but Eli and the Offense slowed the pace down and that gave our Defense a chance to regroup and when that happened, we weren't going to be denied.
Now, if we're going to grade playoff runs as a whole, Carl played those three games in the 1986 SuperBowl Championship Run at such a frenetic pace and delivered the best overall performance by a LB in a playoff run that I'v never seen. Eli 2K11 SuperBowl Championship Run was on fire and wouldn't be denied. The NFC Championship Game against San Francisco 49ers showed how tough Eli is when he was bounced around when they tried to break him in two, again and again and again; Eli was non plussed and kept getting up.
"We watched the beating Eli was taking and not flinching and there was no way that we were gonna let him down"- Justin Tuck
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Post by Roswell on Jul 4, 2020 0:23:44 GMT -5
1.Eli Manning Big gap 2.Carl Banks( would have been MVP in the first super bowl if Simms was a mere mortal and also had a huge game the 2nd one 3.Justin Tuck..wasn't as dominant as Banks but also stepped up big in his 2 big games Big gap? You forgot Simms? Even factoring in level of competition, Simms put up more points in one SB than Manning put up in both of his. And Manning had WRs.
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Post by TEM on Jul 4, 2020 8:18:20 GMT -5
I got throw this in. Leonard Marshall's 2 sack game in XXI
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Jul 5, 2020 12:07:04 GMT -5
He was superb. He was superb damned near every game he ever played, and definitely deserves the Hall. Only Carson and LT, being the big two among our LB's keeps him out. One thing LT was known for was running people down from behind the LOS, running away from him. But, why could he do it? Because they had no place to turn upfield because Banks was always there, warding off blockers, keeping his feet, stringing it out, and being in the RB's eyes every time he looked for a hole to cut into. It should be noted that LT always pointed out how great Banks was, and him being the reason he could get the man from behind. Reasons was way better than people realize, too. Great point. LT has said that the best players he’s played with in stopping the run has been Banks and Van Pelt. You weren’t running on those two side. I always remember the clip of Tom Landry slamming a rolled up paper on the table and a grimace on his face when we drafted Carl Banks. And the sound comes on and Landry says "With Taylor on one side now we can't run to the other side either".
Carl Banks should have been voted to a shitload more pro bowl teams. He was and is one of my all time favorite NY Giants. Very under rated. The rest of the league would cry and whine if the Jints had 3 LBers on the NFC all star team.
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Post by Zimonami on Jul 5, 2020 12:31:54 GMT -5
Banks Simms Eli Otis Anderson................................................... The Big O... no one gives him the credit due for his veteran leadership in '90... most especially after Simms went down. And he played big in that SBXXV
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Post by Zimonami on Jul 5, 2020 12:40:44 GMT -5
Great point. LT has said that the best players he’s played with in stopping the run has been Banks and Van Pelt. You weren’t running on those two side. I always remember the clip of Tom Landry slamming a rolled up paper on the table and a grimace on his face when we drafted Carl Banks. And the sound comes on and Landry says "With Taylor on one side now we can't run to the other side either".
Carl Banks should have been voted to a shitload more pro bowl teams. He was and is one of my all time favorite NY Giants. Very under rated. The rest of the league would cry and whine if the Jints had 3 LBers on the NFC all star team.
And, could we ask for a better 4th... Reasons.... simply better than any LB we've had in many years. The RB for the opponent would be stuffed on 3rd and 1 and, "OH, wow that was Reasons that plugged the gap." Always there when we needed him. Just did his job and right in. Landry knew how good that LB corp was. Hell, he was our DC and, along with our OC, Lombardi, got away when we chose Sherman.... UGH.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Jul 6, 2020 13:43:37 GMT -5
I always remember the clip of Tom Landry slamming a rolled up paper on the table and a grimace on his face when we drafted Carl Banks. And the sound comes on and Landry says "With Taylor on one side now we can't run to the other side either".
Carl Banks should have been voted to a shitload more pro bowl teams. He was and is one of my all time favorite NY Giants. Very under rated. The rest of the league would cry and whine if the Jints had 3 LBers on the NFC all star team.
And, could we ask for a better 4th... Reasons.... simply better than any LB we've had in many years. The RB for the opponent would be stuffed on 3rd and 1 and, "OH, wow that was Reasons that plugged the gap." Always there when we needed him. Just did his job and right in. Landry knew how good that LB corp was. Hell, he was our DC and, along with our OC, Lombardi, got away when we chose Sherman.... UGH. Heck yes, And with Peppers, Hunt, and Headon to fill in it was a freakin all star team. I believe Reasons was the captain of our ST unit as well. We all remember Reasons with the fake punt running it up the gut for a first down. Boy they filled those gaps didn't they ?
As deep and talented unit as ever existed.
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