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Post by Morehead State on Jul 28, 2019 20:59:15 GMT -5
I guess. No doctor has told me what's in everything he's prescribed to me. The pharmacist is responsible to check any possible side effects or reactions with other drugs.
You seem to be suggesting that a doctor is responsible to know the substance rules in the NFL. I think that's a bridge too far.
In order to prescribe medication; the doctor must know the patient's medical history which always includes their occupation.
Once a doctor becomes aware their patient is a pro athlete; they now have an obligation to learn about PED's, and their effects on their patient. They should treat that information the same way they would if they learned this person has an allergy.
In this day in age, disclosure of the compounds in drugs prescribed under such conditions is expected.
No sir.....That's the player's responsibility.
The doc has to examine the collective bargaining agreement?
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Post by Nite on Jul 28, 2019 21:03:04 GMT -5
This entire discussion presumes that Tate is telling the truth ... and I’m not convinced of that Interesting..If that is true then his tenure with the Giants may be over sooner than expected...
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Post by Roosevelt on Jul 28, 2019 22:08:59 GMT -5
In order to prescribe medication; the doctor must know the patient's medical history which always includes their occupation.
Once a doctor becomes aware their patient is a pro athlete; they now have an obligation to learn about PED's, and their effects on their patient. They should treat that information the same way they would if they learned this person has an allergy.
In this day in age, disclosure of the compounds in drugs prescribed under such conditions is expected.
No sir.....That's the player's responsibility.
The doc has to examine the collective bargaining agreement?
In regard to banned substances, yes. The doctor is responsible for the awareness of the effects of the substances he prescribes.
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Post by DandyDon on Jul 28, 2019 22:29:41 GMT -5
No sir.....That's the player's responsibility.
The doc has to examine the collective bargaining agreement?
In regard to banned substances, yes. The doctor is responsible for the awareness of the effects of the substances he prescribes.
With respect, it's crazy that a doctor is responsible to know every aspect of his patients employer's rules. I cant believe you are seriously arguing this...
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Post by Roosevelt on Jul 28, 2019 22:48:59 GMT -5
In regard to banned substances, yes. The doctor is responsible for the awareness of the effects of the substances he prescribes.
With respect, it's crazy that a doctor is responsible to know every aspect of his patients employer's rules. I cant believe you are seriously arguing this... I never said that,
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Post by Morehead State on Jul 28, 2019 23:00:50 GMT -5
No sir.....That's the player's responsibility.
The doc has to examine the collective bargaining agreement?
In regard to banned substances, yes. The doctor is responsible for the awareness of the effects of the substances he prescribes.
Sure. But that has nothing to do with the NFL's rules.
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Post by Fletch842 on Jul 29, 2019 6:39:37 GMT -5
In regard to banned substances, yes. The doctor is responsible for the awareness of the effects of the substances he prescribes.
I actually understand where you're going with this ( I think) . I just think the NFL won't back down , they will sacrifice one for the greater good of the Shield. That has certainly been the precedent.
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Post by GameTime on Jul 29, 2019 7:13:09 GMT -5
This entire discussion presumes that Tate is telling the truth ... and I’m not convinced of that said he went to the league BEFORE the failed test and stop taking the fertility drugs as soon as he realized the issue. . Why would he do that if he was trying to take PEDs "on purpose"... I believe him.
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Post by GameTime on Jul 29, 2019 7:14:09 GMT -5
In regard to banned substances, yes. The doctor is responsible for the awareness of the effects of the substances he prescribes.
I actually understand where you're going with this ( I think) . I just think the NFL won't back down , they will sacrifice one for the greater good of the Shield. except if its domestic violence....then they sacrifce "the shield"....
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Post by TCHOF on Jul 29, 2019 7:22:35 GMT -5
This entire discussion presumes that Tate is telling the truth ... and I’m not convinced of that said he went to the league BEFORE the failed test and stop taking the fertility drugs as soon as he realized the issue. . Why would he do that if he was trying to take PEDs "on purpose"... I believe him. I don’t believe the explanations of any of these guys after they get caught (I don’t disbelieve them either). If he’s got objective proof to support what he says, I’ll believe him. It wouldn’t be the first time that Tate offered a shady explanation when he found himself in a jam
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Post by Kruunch on Jul 29, 2019 8:39:38 GMT -5
A doctors responsibility is to prescribe the correct medicine for what ills you. Be it a cold or something as in Tates case a fertility prescription. The doctor has no responsibility as to what the NFL can and can not take for its players. That’s on Tate since he’s employed by an NFL team and has to abide by the rules. Before he took the medicine he should have contacted the league and said is it allowed? Then all of this would not have happened, want to play in the NFL you have to abide by these rules. They love the checks and the praise they get playing a game, but can’t understand the rules that apply it. Point is as an adult you have to make decisions on a daily basis, and you have to live with the consequences. So far Tate the new kid around here is already not off to a good start.
The doctor has a responsibility to know and disclose what's in the medication. He's responsible for the effects and side effects of the drug he's prescribing or has administered.
You’re thinking of a pharmacist. A doctor has to diagnose the problem and come up with a solution to it though medication. Outside of being asked what are you allergic to which is asked by the nurse the doctor has done his part. Going through what you can and can’t take due to your profession would take time. Name me a doctor who would do that? They’re usually in and out and onto the next patient. This is all on Tate, a 31 year old veteran who knows the rules of the league. All Tate had to do as I explained before is contact the league and ask if this medication is allowable within the rules? These players have all the resources at their fingertips.
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Post by Roosevelt on Jul 29, 2019 8:40:33 GMT -5
In regard to banned substances, yes. The doctor is responsible for the awareness of the effects of the substances he prescribes. I actually understand where you're going with this ( I think) . I just think the NFL won't back down , they will sacrifice one for the greater good of the Shield. You’re probably right because isn’t there already a precedent with another player?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2019 8:48:33 GMT -5
It's so hard to believe that Tate was stupid enough to take this stuff without checking 1st. I blame the player and I'm leaning towards his excuse as a fake one also. It's real easy to look back and set up an excuse in case you get caught and what a nice one this one turns out to be.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jul 29, 2019 9:54:29 GMT -5
Tell you one thing if this suspension is held up he loses almost 3 mill this year ,I think almost 8 million in guaranteed money next year cap might be looking better then expected even tho it was already good.
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Post by GameTime on Jul 29, 2019 9:56:59 GMT -5
It's so hard to believe that Tate was stupid enough to take this stuff without checking 1st. I blame the player and I'm leaning towards his excuse as a fake one also. It's real easy to look back and set up an excuse in case you get caught and what a nice one this one turns out to be. he fessed up about the issue before he took a urine test. He didnt get caught first
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jul 29, 2019 10:07:05 GMT -5
My problem with this is it was not for competitive advantage it was for he and his wife to have a child fertility, lots of times the dosage in a drug isn't enough to matter if it's not purely for the use of building strength, my issue is in a league where they had to get video of women being pummeled before they would do anything and even then in some cases these guys slide by with violent behavior off field ,you are gonna penalize guys like Mathis and Tate for trying to have a family lol, stupid I would feel the same if he were on any other team.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2019 10:20:03 GMT -5
My problem with this is it was not for competitive advantage it was for he and his wife to have a child fertility, lots of times the dosage in a drug isn't enough to matter if it's not purely for the use of building strength, my issue is in a league where they had to get video of women being pummeled before they would do anything and even then in some cases these guys slide by with violent behavior off field ,you are gonna penalize guys like Mathis and Tate for trying to have a family lol, stupid I would feel the same if he were on any other team. Some of the times these banned drugs are in place because they mask the real enhancement drugs. My bet is that this stuff is one of that kind.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2019 10:21:12 GMT -5
It's so hard to believe that Tate was stupid enough to take this stuff without checking 1st. I blame the player and I'm leaning towards his excuse as a fake one also. It's real easy to look back and set up an excuse in case you get caught and what a nice one this one turns out to be. he fessed up about the issue before he took a urine test. He didnt get caught first Well planned admittance to make people believe this was a mistake. Looks like it work!
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Post by GameTime on Jul 29, 2019 10:31:36 GMT -5
he fessed up about the issue before he took a urine test. He didnt get caught first Well planned admittance to make people believe this was a mistake. Looks like it work! reasonable assumption... If he is hiding/masking it as a fertility issue then his Dr is in on the scam as well. If thats the case that is one dumbass Dr
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Post by Morehead State on Jul 29, 2019 10:44:44 GMT -5
It's so hard to believe that Tate was stupid enough to take this stuff without checking 1st. I blame the player and I'm leaning towards his excuse as a fake one also. It's real easy to look back and set up an excuse in case you get caught and what a nice one this one turns out to be. he fessed up about the issue before he took a urine test. He didnt get caught first That's not what he said. he was actually pretty cryptic. He said he "fessed up" before the test was "confirmed". What does that even mean? Sounds to me like he's parsing words and his statement may be a tad dubious.
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Post by GameTime on Jul 29, 2019 10:55:44 GMT -5
he fessed up about the issue before he took a urine test. He didnt get caught first That's not what he said. he was actually pretty cryptic. He said he "fessed up" before the test was "confirmed". What does that even mean? Sounds to me like he's parsing words and his statement may be a tad dubious.
said he started fertility drugs in April...found out days later there was banned substance in it and reported to the NFL Admin, stop using it, spoke his coaches and GM all before urine tests were accomplished. Go read his statement. He wasnt cryptic in the least. He was very specific in his time line as well
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Post by Roosevelt on Jul 29, 2019 10:56:34 GMT -5
The doctor has a responsibility to know and disclose what's in the medication. He's responsible for the effects and side effects of the drug he's prescribing or has administered.
You’re thinking of a pharmacist. A doctor has to diagnose the problem and come up with a solution to it though medication. Outside of being asked what are you allergic to which is asked by the nurse the doctor has done his part. Going through what you can and can’t take due to your profession would take time. Name me a doctor who would do that? They’re usually in and out and onto the next patient. This is all on Tate, a 31 year old veteran who knows the rules of the league. All Tate had to do as I explained before is contact the league and ask if this medication is allowable within the rules? These players have all the resources at their fingertips.
It may sound that way, but I'm not. I'm speaking only from a doctor's perspective. There are guidelines a physician should follow when treating an athlete specifically because of sports doping.
I'm not trying to absolve Tate from this. After all, he took it. I'm just questioning his doctor. The doctor should have known his patient was an athlete, and should have known the compounds he prescribed. Could he have prescribed something different that would have achieved similar fertility results without it being a banned substance?
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Post by JoeBigBlue on Jul 29, 2019 11:01:12 GMT -5
Well planned admittance to make people believe this was a mistake. Looks like it work! reasonable assumption... If he is hiding/masking it as a fertility issue then his Dr is in on the scam as well. If thats the case that is one dumbass Dr Unfortunately there are too many doctors that are flat out stupid and lazy. Let's just say I have personal experience with this; I had a guy prescribe me something a couple of years ago that completely contrindicated with another medication. Luckily, my wife is a nurse and she caught it. He seriously could've killed me.
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Post by Roosevelt on Jul 29, 2019 11:03:37 GMT -5
That's not what he said. he was actually pretty cryptic. He said he "fessed up" before the test was "confirmed". What does that even mean? Sounds to me like he's parsing words and his statement may be a tad dubious.
said he started fertility drugs in April...found out days later there was banned substance in it and reported to the NFL Admin, stop using it, spoke his coaches and GM all before urine tests were accomplished.
That's how I read it. He said he took medication that was prescribed to him and found out days later it had a banned substance in it.
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Post by GameTime on Jul 29, 2019 11:03:50 GMT -5
reasonable assumption... If he is hiding/masking it as a fertility issue then his Dr is in on the scam as well. If thats the case that is one dumbass Dr Unfortunately there are too many doctors that are flat out stupid and lazy. Let's just say I have personal experience with this; I had a guy prescribe me something a couple of years ago that completely contrindicated with another medication. Luckily, my wife is a nurse and she caught it. He seriously could've killed me. I always do all my own research. The days of taking a doctor's word as law are gone. The more people who realize that the better off we will all be. Even with docs Iike and trust I question and research everything
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Post by jimmieray on Jul 29, 2019 11:20:17 GMT -5
Unfortunately there are too many doctors that are flat out stupid and lazy. Let's just say I have personal experience with this; I had a guy prescribe me something a couple of years ago that completely contrindicated with another medication. Luckily, my wife is a nurse and she caught it. He seriously could've killed me. I always do all my own research. The days of taking a doctor's word as law are gone. The more people who realize that the better off we will all be. Even with docs Iike and trust I question and research everything Absolutely. I find it so amazing that with all the technology and assistants these doctors have now, yet they often act incompetent and can't/won't communicate effectively.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jul 29, 2019 12:25:24 GMT -5
My problem with this is it was not for competitive advantage it was for he and his wife to have a child fertility, lots of times the dosage in a drug isn't enough to matter if it's not purely for the use of building strength, my issue is in a league where they had to get video of women being pummeled before they would do anything and even then in some cases these guys slide by with violent behavior off field ,you are gonna penalize guys like Mathis and Tate for trying to have a family lol, stupid I would feel the same if he were on any other team. Some of the times these banned drugs are in place because they mask the real enhancement drugs. My bet is that this stuff is one of that kind. I realize this but really just like they go to the film to bust domestic violence offenders they can do some foot work into the doctor and the treatment.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2019 13:05:31 GMT -5
Some of the times these banned drugs are in place because they mask the real enhancement drugs. My bet is that this stuff is one of that kind. I realize this but really just like they go to the film to bust domestic violence offenders they can do some foot work into the doctor and the treatment. Hopefully that's what the NFL will do and cut the penalty in half but to think he will get off with nothing would be a surprise.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jul 29, 2019 14:02:16 GMT -5
I realize this but really just like they go to the film to bust domestic violence offenders they can do some foot work into the doctor and the treatment. Hopefully that's what the NFL will do and cut the penalty in half but to think he will get off with nothing would be a surprise. Agree with this, you should know what goes into your body, I competed not professionally some of my friends were pro I never wanted it but they wouldd have to test all the time, pain in the butt when your just a working guy and have to deal with work injury's or just getting sick trying to keep track is a pain, that said they should have an idea that he was not using for competitive purposes because of when he started it .
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Post by Roosevelt on Jul 29, 2019 14:13:28 GMT -5
reasonable assumption... If he is hiding/masking it as a fertility issue then his Dr is in on the scam as well. If thats the case that is one dumbass Dr Unfortunately there are too many doctors that are flat out stupid and lazy. Let's just say I have personal experience with this; I had a guy prescribe me something a couple of years ago that completely contrindicated with another medication. Luckily, my wife is a nurse and she caught it. He seriously could've killed me. Good thing your wife caught it. Did you confront the doctor?
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