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Post by giantlegacy on Aug 8, 2019 23:45:21 GMT -5
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Post by Waybackfan on Aug 9, 2019 7:29:08 GMT -5
He's got a lot of talent.
Surprisingly (to me) runs pretty good too.
He'll have some big games and some horrendous games methinks.
He's definitely has the potential to be a big-time NFL QB.
All that family baggage would make me leery of him. That, to me, is his #1 negative. Snowplow parents it's called.
NYG made the right choice for them with Jones.
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Post by GameTime on Aug 9, 2019 8:35:29 GMT -5
8-14 a TD and 2 picks....I think. Maybe threw for 150+
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Post by giantlegacy on Aug 9, 2019 10:04:10 GMT -5
He's got a lot of talent. Surprisingly (to me) runs pretty good too. He'll have some big games and some horrendous games methinks. He's definitely has the potential to be a big-time NFL QB. All that family baggage would make me leery of him. That, to me, is his #1 negative. Snowplow parents it's called. NYG made the right choice for them with Jones. The "he is an immobile statue" narrative was always wrong... He isnt as athletic as Jones but to me he reminds me of Big Ben..which isnt a bad thing..
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Post by SkinsLifer on Aug 9, 2019 11:03:16 GMT -5
Played like a rookie. Flashed some promise. Made a few bad mistakes. But I like his trajectory. He'll be fine.
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Post by robl on Aug 9, 2019 13:44:12 GMT -5
Your video is blocked. Haskins pick 6:
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Post by TCHOF on Aug 9, 2019 14:16:24 GMT -5
He's got a lot of talent. Surprisingly (to me) runs pretty good too. He'll have some big games and some horrendous games methinks. He's definitely has the potential to be a big-time NFL QB. All that family baggage would make me leery of him. That, to me, is his #1 negative. Snowplow parents it's called. NYG made the right choice for them with Jones. The "he is an immobile statue" narrative was always wrong... He isnt as athletic as Jones but to me he reminds me of Big Ben..which isnt a bad thing.. Said that from the beginning ... he's more mobile than Eli ever was
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Post by giantlegacy on Aug 9, 2019 14:24:09 GMT -5
The "he is an immobile statue" narrative was always wrong... He isnt as athletic as Jones but to me he reminds me of Big Ben..which isnt a bad thing.. Said that from the beginning ... he's more mobile than Eli ever was I'm guessing because he prefers to stand in the pocket and throw it/take a hit if nessesary. Re runs enough to make teams respect RPO and get a cheap 10 yards if the opening is there
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Post by TheAnalyst on Aug 15, 2019 20:41:02 GMT -5
Haskins just threw a 55 yard bomb TD on the money while being hit.
All arm strength.
Against defenders that will be cut by week 1 but the media wont tell you that like they did with Jones.
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Post by moecoastie on Aug 15, 2019 21:26:34 GMT -5
Haskins just threw a 55 yard bomb TD on the money while being hit. All arm strength. Against defenders that will be cut by week 1 but the media wont tell you that like they did with Jones. that was a hell of a throw. In the face of pressure and right on the money. Unfortunately, the rest of his deep ball passes were off the mark.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2019 21:45:52 GMT -5
He’s got some mobility. More than Peyton and Brady ever had.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Aug 15, 2019 22:17:08 GMT -5
Tonight 7-14 114 yards 1 TD
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Post by Nite on Aug 15, 2019 23:42:37 GMT -5
Rough night for the almost Giant. A lot of poorly thrown balls. One good one. He needs more pocket awareness else he will become a tackling dummy. However he did much better than the overall No. 1 pick
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Post by TheAnalyst on Aug 16, 2019 6:00:01 GMT -5
My exact words on Haskins before the draft.
"His mobility wont be an issue, its his deep ball accuracy that scares me."
So far I see that.
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Post by Easy E on Aug 16, 2019 7:59:59 GMT -5
Tonight 7-14 114 yards 1 TD Yep, and with a fumble lost. If you are keeping score at home, that is 1 TD and 3 turnovers in two games so far.
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Post by moecoastie on Aug 16, 2019 8:03:33 GMT -5
My exact words on Haskins before the draft. "His mobility wont be an issue, its his deep ball accuracy that scares me." So far I see that. I said something similar and got trashed for saying he had deep ball accuracy issues.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Aug 16, 2019 8:08:14 GMT -5
Tonight 7-14 114 yards 1 TD Yep, and with a fumble lost. If you are keeping score at home, that is 1 TD and 3 turnovers in two games so far. I'll tell you are they afraid to speak on these guys they don't even talkabout the fumble or how off he seemed to be even on some of his completions, even Murray he was terrible last night 3-8 32 yards are something like that, Jones has a perfect night and you have idiots pointing at the TD as a bad throw to me it was in a good spot and the defender had his back turned, it's like none of these guys want to eat crow they all might be fine and Jones might have a bad night tonight they are rookies, good god sports analysts and writers have regressed to the point of we might as well watch tape our selves and figure it out.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Aug 16, 2019 8:10:48 GMT -5
My exact words on Haskins before the draft. "His mobility wont be an issue, its his deep ball accuracy that scares me." So far I see that. I said something similar and got trashed for saying he had deep ball accuracy issues. There was a stat floating around saying he had the best deep ball of the QBs. I watched a bunch of his games, and I noticed his accuracy a problem on anything past 15 yards.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Aug 16, 2019 8:12:26 GMT -5
Tonight 7-14 114 yards 1 TD Yep, and with a fumble lost. If you are keeping score at home, that is 1 TD and 3 turnovers in two games so far. Which still means nothing IMO. He is playing with and going against backups. We wont know what these kids can do until they are plugged in the real games IMO.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Aug 16, 2019 8:14:50 GMT -5
My exact words on Haskins before the draft. "His mobility wont be an issue, its his deep ball accuracy that scares me." So far I see that. I remember that you were on point last night he was off even on some of his completions yes on the TD last night the the corner fell and the receiver was wide open he through it a little behind him it was up around his head tho, I do still think his mobility will be a problem he was sacked 2-3 times did move ok on distend stuff. Murray struggled with pressure also from what I read, it will be interesting to see how Jones handles pressure he faced it on almost every other pass in college
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Post by moecoastie on Aug 16, 2019 8:16:38 GMT -5
I said something similar and got trashed for saying he had deep ball accuracy issues. There was a stat floating around saying he had the best deep ball of the QBs. I watched a bunch of his games, and I noticed his accuracy a problem on anything past 15 yards. Bingo! I stated he was an assassin within 20 yards. With as few attempts as he took downfield, he missed a good percentage of those throws or was saved by awesome adjustments by his WRs. Im not bashing him, I also stated those things could be learned and improved considering his arm strength. After listening to Greg Cosell recently, I may have to change my stance on that.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Aug 16, 2019 8:26:47 GMT -5
My exact words on Haskins before the draft. "His mobility wont be an issue, its his deep ball accuracy that scares me." So far I see that. I remember that you were on point last night he was off even on some of his completions yes on the TD last night the the corner fell and the receiver was wide open he through it a little behind him it was up around his head tho, I do still think his mobility will be a problem he was sacked 2-3 times did move ok on distend stuff. Murray struggled with pressure also from what I read, it will be interesting to see how Jones handles pressure he faced it on almost every other pass in college None of the QBs in the 2019 class did anything for me. Murray was a wild card, but Baker Mayfield was the much better QB in that system. Haskins to me was Ben Roethlisberger ish, but didnt have that deep ball accuracy, which is a huge downgrade because Ben is great at the deep ball. Jones I didnt think could consistant hit his target and make the right decisions. I actually liked Grier some. I know his system was a huge reason for his numbers but I liked what he could do with the ball. Time will tell. Also, how about Ryan Finley? Any of you see him? His stats were pretty solid last night.
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Post by Kruunch on Aug 16, 2019 8:31:11 GMT -5
I remember that you were on point last night he was off even on some of his completions yes on the TD last night the the corner fell and the receiver was wide open he through it a little behind him it was up around his head tho, I do still think his mobility will be a problem he was sacked 2-3 times did move ok on distend stuff. Murray struggled with pressure also from what I read, it will be interesting to see how Jones handles pressure he faced it on almost every other pass in college None of the QBs in the 2019 class did anything for me. Murray was a wild card, but Baker Mayfield was the much better QB in that system. Haskins to me was Ben Roethlisberger ish, but didnt have that deep ball accuracy, which is a huge downgrade because Ben is great at the deep ball. Jones I didnt think could consistant hit his target and make the right decisions. I actually liked Grier some. I know his system was a huge reason for his numbers but I liked what he could do with the ball. Time will tell. Also, how about Ryan Finley? Any of you see him? His stats were pretty solid last night. Who you kidding? Eric Dungey Is all world in The Analyst home.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Aug 16, 2019 8:39:26 GMT -5
I remember that you were on point last night he was off even on some of his completions yes on the TD last night the the corner fell and the receiver was wide open he through it a little behind him it was up around his head tho, I do still think his mobility will be a problem he was sacked 2-3 times did move ok on distend stuff. Murray struggled with pressure also from what I read, it will be interesting to see how Jones handles pressure he faced it on almost every other pass in college None of the QBs in the 2019 class did anything for me. Murray was a wild card, but Baker Mayfield was the much better QB in that system. Haskins to me was Ben Roethlisberger ish, but didnt have that deep ball accuracy, which is a huge downgrade because Ben is great at the deep ball. Jones I didnt think could consistant hit his target and make the right decisions. I actually liked Grier some. I know his system was a huge reason for his numbers but I liked what he could do with the ball. Time will tell. Also, how about Ryan Finley? Any of you see him? His stats were pretty solid last night. I liked Jones not saying he was perfect but he faced a ton of adversity from the broken arm during recruiting season in high school to playing on an under manned college team, with that said Grear was up there for me, Stidham has all the tools and I think with a couple years to learn might be one of the best to come out of this class, Finley is a smart choice he showed good decision making skills and he has a good enough arm and he's a good athlete.In the end I would have been happy with anyone of them including Drew Lock. I do trust Shurmur and Shula and DG with this decision tho they have all coached and seen some real good QBs in there day they know what one looks like.
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Post by Kruunch on Aug 16, 2019 8:41:37 GMT -5
None of the QBs in the 2019 class did anything for me. Murray was a wild card, but Baker Mayfield was the much better QB in that system. Haskins to me was Ben Roethlisberger ish, but didnt have that deep ball accuracy, which is a huge downgrade because Ben is great at the deep ball. Jones I didnt think could consistant hit his target and make the right decisions. I actually liked Grier some. I know his system was a huge reason for his numbers but I liked what he could do with the ball. Time will tell. Also, how about Ryan Finley? Any of you see him? His stats were pretty solid last night. I liked Jones not saying he was perfect but he faced a ton of adversity from the broken arm during recruiting season in high school to playing on an under manned college team, with that said Grear was up there for me, Stidham has all the tools and I think with a couple years to learn might be one of the best to come out of this class, Finley is a smart choice he showed good decision making skills and he has a good enough arm and he's a good athlete.In the end I would have been happy with anyone of them including Drew Lock. I do trust Shurmur and Shula and DG with this decision tho they have all coached and seen some real good QBs in there day they know what one looks like. What do you think of Baker Mayfield? I think he’s going to win 13 Championships for Cleveland.
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Post by Easy E on Aug 16, 2019 8:46:04 GMT -5
Murray struggled with pressure also from what I read, it will be interesting to see how Jones handles pressure he faced it on almost every other pass in college Yeah, I watched a lot of that game last night and Paul Guenther blitzed Murray heavily. Not sure if they were trying to send Murray/Kingsbury a "welcome to the NFL" message, but you could see a major struggle. Murray ended up getting sacked for a safety and Kingsbury at that point decided to pull him from the game. Yeah, outside of his first pass play when he forgot to motion the TE over to protect his left side, Jones did not face much pressure. Gallman saved Jones big time from getting leveled, even then, the pocket got tight and Jones was still able to deliver an accurate pass. He must have been thinking, "This a walk in park compared to the pressure I faced at Duke.".
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Aug 16, 2019 8:53:58 GMT -5
Murray struggled with pressure also from what I read, it will be interesting to see how Jones handles pressure he faced it on almost every other pass in college Yeah, I watched a lot of that game last night and Paul Guenther blitzed Murray heavily. Not sure if they were trying to send Murray/Kingsbury a "welcome to the NFL" message, but you could see a major struggle. Murray ended up getting sacked for a safety and Kingsbury at that point decided to pull him from the game. Think it was a wise choice don't want a young kid to start doubting him self. He and Haskins faced very little pressure in college they will have to speed up their clocks.
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Post by GameTime on Aug 16, 2019 9:04:00 GMT -5
None of the QBs in the 2019 class did anything for me. Murray was a wild card, but Baker Mayfield was the much better QB in that system. Haskins to me was Ben Roethlisberger ish, but didnt have that deep ball accuracy, which is a huge downgrade because Ben is great at the deep ball. Jones I didnt think could consistant hit his target and make the right decisions. I actually liked Grier some. I know his system was a huge reason for his numbers but I liked what he could do with the ball. Time will tell. Also, how about Ryan Finley? Any of you see him? His stats were pretty solid last night. I liked Jones not saying he was perfect but he faced a ton of adversity from the broken arm during recruiting season in high school to playing on an under manned college team, with that said Grear was up there for me, Stidham has all the tools and I think with a couple years to learn might be one of the best to come out of this class, Finley is a smart choice he showed good decision making skills and he has a good enough arm and he's a good athlete.In the end I would have been happy with anyone of them including Drew Lock. I do trust Shurmur and Shula and DG with this decision tho they have all coached and seen some real good QBs in there day they know what one looks like. heard on the radio this morning that Drew Lock never had to say anything in the huddle. That all the ques came from the side line. As an NFL scout/GM I would not be a fan of that at all. NOt sure how true that statement was but it was said on the Boomer/Gio show.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Aug 16, 2019 9:05:01 GMT -5
Murray struggled with pressure also from what I read, it will be interesting to see how Jones handles pressure he faced it on almost every other pass in college Yeah, I watched a lot of that game last night and Paul Guenther blitzed Murray heavily. Not sure if they were trying to send Murray/Kingsbury a "welcome to the NFL" message, but you could see a major struggle. Murray ended up getting sacked for a safety and Kingsbury at that point decided to pull him from the game. Yeah, outside of his first pass play when he forgot to motion the TE over to protect his left side, Jones did not face much pressure. Gallman saved Jones big time from getting leveled, even then, the pocket got tight and Jones was still able to deliver an accurate pass. He must have been thinking, "This a walk in park compared to the pressure I faced at Duke.". Jones was getting it out fast what happens when the first read or first couple are covered he showed he has accuracy and anticipation but will he still when a wrench is thrown in. Should be interesting even tho he won't see front liners tonight Nagy did a full 60 minute scrimmage inter squad this week he doesn't like pre season.
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