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Post by soflo on Aug 16, 2019 10:09:25 GMT -5
The flag and the anthem really doesn't mean anything to me. I feel sorry for you that you have so little pride in your country.
That's sad.
Saying "you feel sorry for me" because I don't care much about the anthem is the same as these players telling fans that they don't understand the protest. In both instances, nobody asked for an opinion because they don't value it enough to give it any kind of consideration. You can't very well convince people that you understand what they think about it better than they do.
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Post by soflo on Aug 16, 2019 10:41:45 GMT -5
Well, it's Friday and we haven't met our 12 page projection for this topic.
Tisk tisk.
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Post by Nite on Aug 16, 2019 10:45:16 GMT -5
Well, it's Friday and we haven't met our 12 page projection for this topic. Tisk tisk. I can help..
Eli sucks!!
Ok I did my part....
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Post by jjhall91 on Aug 16, 2019 11:27:05 GMT -5
I don't understand the animosity toward CK. He took advantage of capitalism like many others would like to do. His martyr act has hurt no one. Agree or disagree with his tactics, he beat the system. He gets notoriety and a pretty good amount of money without having to risk physical or mental damage on the field and all he had to do to earn this was kneel down. It's obvious he wanted out of football as he passed up several chances. He was one of the few who realized his window for success was near its end and opted out before he could no longer compete. (I wonder if Eli ever considered this.) For a player with average talent he has done well.
I personally don't have animosity towards Colin, but I don't feel sorry for him either. Any animosity I had was pointed at the TV networks and broadcasters for highlighting the protests.
But Colin certainly got people's attention. Too bad it came through division.
I feel the same. While I have no animosity and can understand his position, I feel he took things to far. His point was well taken the first time he did it. As it progressed it became more about CK than it did about the issue itself. He didn't need to continue the "show" as we all understood his message. In any case, he was successful in bringing attention to the issue, and himself. It's just to bad he had to tread on other's beliefs and feelings to accomplish this.
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Post by Roosevelt on Aug 16, 2019 11:34:43 GMT -5
I wouldn't go as far as to say it's meaningless. But in honor of those who have sacrificed I pay my respects.
Well, it's meaning varies from person to person, and that's the point. The meaning I get is neutral. The meaning players may be might be a little more negative, but in both cases, again the funeral analogy - even if I personally think putting a body on display and then preserving it in a tomb feels like some weird messed up ritual, I'm still going to observe the funeral customs that other people find meaningful, even if it's a facade. In the same way, you're not being asked to respect the flag; you're being asked to respect PEOPLE who respect the flag. I don't make it about myself by verbalizing my opinion of it, because if I did, I'd be selfishly demanding that everyone agree with me about it.
As I have said in previous posts, there is a written code of conduct for those participating in a flag ceremony.
And in fairness to the NFL players, the vast majority of them have always respected the ceremony, which does bring a sense of unity to everyone gathered there.
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Post by Kase1 on Aug 16, 2019 11:38:37 GMT -5
I don't understand the animosity toward CK. He took advantage of capitalism like many others would like to do. His martyr act has hurt no one. Agree or disagree with his tactics, he beat the system. He gets notoriety and a pretty good amount of money without having to risk physical or mental damage on the field and all he had to do to earn this was kneel down. It's obvious he wanted out of football as he passed up several chances. He was one of the few who realized his window for success was near its end and opted out before he could no longer compete. (I wonder if Eli ever considered this.) For a player with average talent he has done well. He disrespected this country, the flag, and the men and women who put their lives on the line for his ass. Well no, thats your interpretation of his actions. I however disagree with your interpretation
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Post by jjhall91 on Aug 16, 2019 11:46:09 GMT -5
I don't understand the animosity toward CK. He took advantage of capitalism like many others would like to do. His martyr act has hurt no one. Agree or disagree with his tactics, he beat the system. He gets notoriety and a pretty good amount of money without having to risk physical or mental damage on the field and all he had to do to earn this was kneel down. It's obvious he wanted out of football as he passed up several chances. He was one of the few who realized his window for success was near its end and opted out before he could no longer compete. (I wonder if Eli ever considered this.) For a player with average talent he has done well. He disrespected this country, the flag, and the men and women who put their lives on the line for his ass. I understand your feelings and point of view. I had to give it a great deal of thought before considering his intent may not have been to disrespect the flag, but to make a point while getting the notoriety he seems to crave. I'm not saying I agree with his methods, however, I am saying it's hard for me to believe he intentionally meant to insult those who fought and died for his right to do so. It does not make sense and would be highly abnormal that being the case.
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Post by Roosevelt on Aug 16, 2019 12:00:24 GMT -5
He disrespected this country, the flag, and the men and women who put their lives on the line for his ass. Well no, thats your interpretation of his actions. I however disagree with your interpretation
Are you aware of the code of conduct when it comes to flag ceremonies?
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Post by soflo on Aug 16, 2019 12:53:36 GMT -5
Well, it's meaning varies from person to person, and that's the point. The meaning I get is neutral. The meaning players may be might be a little more negative, but in both cases, again the funeral analogy - even if I personally think putting a body on display and then preserving it in a tomb feels like some weird messed up ritual, I'm still going to observe the funeral customs that other people find meaningful, even if it's a facade. In the same way, you're not being asked to respect the flag; you're being asked to respect PEOPLE who respect the flag. I don't make it about myself by verbalizing my opinion of it, because if I did, I'd be selfishly demanding that everyone agree with me about it.
As I have said in previous posts, there is a written code of conduct for those participating in a flag ceremony.
And in fairness to the NFL players, the vast majority of them have always respected the ceremony, which does bring a sense of unity to everyone gathered there.
Same as the code of conduct at a funeral. But it does raise an interesting question: why do we have these ceremonies at sporting events anyway? If we have the separation between church and state, why is there no separation from sports and state? Sports is a form of entertainment, but they don't ask you to observe the national anthem at other entertainment venues like concerts or movie theaters. If politics doesn't have anything to do with the flag then why should sports? It's strange to me how nobody ever seems to ask that question in this whole debate about bringing politics into sports, because if we separated sports and state, unwanted politics would never be an issue at these events.
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Post by Roosevelt on Aug 16, 2019 13:08:12 GMT -5
As I have said in previous posts, there is a written code of conduct for those participating in a flag ceremony.
And in fairness to the NFL players, the vast majority of them have always respected the ceremony, which does bring a sense of unity to everyone gathered there.
Same as the code of conduct at a funeral. But it does raise an interesting question: why do we have these ceremonies at sporting events anyway? If we have the separation between church and state, why is there no separation from sports and state? Sports is a form of entertainment, but they don't ask you to observe the national anthem at other entertainment venues like concerts or movie theaters. If politics doesn't have anything to do with the flag then why should sports? It's strange to me how nobody ever seems to ask that question in this whole debate about bringing politics into sports, because if we separated sports and state, unwanted politics would never be an issue at these events.
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Post by dvision on Aug 16, 2019 17:22:43 GMT -5
Well, it's meaning varies from person to person, and that's the point. The meaning I get is neutral. The meaning players may be might be a little more negative, but in both cases, again the funeral analogy - even if I personally think putting a body on display and then preserving it in a tomb feels like some weird messed up ritual, I'm still going to observe the funeral customs that other people find meaningful, even if it's a facade. In the same way, you're not being asked to respect the flag; you're being asked to respect PEOPLE who respect the flag. I don't make it about myself by verbalizing my opinion of it, because if I did, I'd be selfishly demanding that everyone agree with me about it.
As I have said in previous posts, there is a written code of conduct for those participating in a flag ceremony.
And in fairness to the NFL players, the vast majority of them have always respected the ceremony, which does bring a sense of unity to everyone gathered there.
None of it was blown out of proportion until someone hijacked the message, made it an anti-military/anti-law enforcement statement and attacked the players on twitter. Some of those supposed anti America players happen to be "very fine people"
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Post by TEM on Aug 16, 2019 17:47:09 GMT -5
As I have said in previous posts, there is a written code of conduct for those participating in a flag ceremony.
And in fairness to the NFL players, the vast majority of them have always respected the ceremony, which does bring a sense of unity to everyone gathered there.
None of it was blown out of proportion until someone hijacked the message, made it an anti-military/anti-law enforcement statement and attacked the players on twitter. Some of those supposed anti America players happen to be "very fine people" I agree someone made it anti-military/anti-enforcement ,but it was not done on twitter . It was done on ankles. www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/49ers/kaepernick-made-prior-statement-police-pigs-socks
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Post by Roosevelt on Aug 16, 2019 18:27:44 GMT -5
As I have said in previous posts, there is a written code of conduct for those participating in a flag ceremony.
And in fairness to the NFL players, the vast majority of them have always respected the ceremony, which does bring a sense of unity to everyone gathered there.
None of it was blown out of proportion until someone hijacked the message, made it an anti-military/anti-law enforcement statement and attacked the players on twitter. Some of those supposed anti America players happen to be "very fine people" That did make matters much worse.
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Post by SG88 on Aug 16, 2019 18:30:10 GMT -5
I don't understand the animosity toward CK. He took advantage of capitalism like many others would like to do. His martyr act has hurt no one. Agree or disagree with his tactics, he beat the system. He gets notoriety and a pretty good amount of money without having to risk physical or mental damage on the field and all he had to do to earn this was kneel down. It's obvious he wanted out of football as he passed up several chances. He was one of the few who realized his window for success was near its end and opted out before he could no longer compete. (I wonder if Eli ever considered this.) For a player with average talent he has done well. He disrespected this country, the flag, and the men and women who put their lives on the line for his ass. I am a 20 year retired Navet and feel that you are incorrect. Honestly, I fought for him to have the right to protest. Most people that have not served have a bad sense of what patriotism is. I feel that this kind of post is disrespectful for those of us who have served. Part of the sailor's creed states "I represent the fighting spirit of the navy, and those who have gone before me to defend freedom and democracy around the world." Part of that freedom is freedom of speech. People do not have to agree with the methods of the protests, but they should respect the right to protest.
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Post by SG88 on Aug 16, 2019 18:34:51 GMT -5
As I have said in previous posts, there is a written code of conduct for those participating in a flag ceremony.Â
And in fairness to the NFL players, the vast majority of them have always respected the ceremony, which does bring a sense of unity to everyone gathered there. Â
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None of it was blown out of proportion until someone hijacked the message, made it an anti-military/anti-law enforcement statement and attacked the players on twitter. Some of those supposed anti America players happen to be "very fine people" I somewhat agree. All of this stuff would have been squared away if the problem being brought up was acknowledged and then solved aggressively. Instead, people denied its existence and made the message about something else. That is where the division on the subject came.
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Post by Kruunch on Aug 16, 2019 18:35:03 GMT -5
He disrespected this country, the flag, and the men and women who put their lives on the line for his ass. I am a 20 year retired Navet and feel that you are incorrect. Honestly, I fought for him to have the right to protest. Most people that have not served have a bad sense of what patriotism is. I feel that this kind of post is disrespectful for those of us who have served. Part of the sailor's creed states "I represent the fighting spirit of the navy, and those who have gone before me to defend freedom and democracy around the world." Part of that freedom is freedom of speech. People do not have to agree with the methods of the protests, but they should respect the right to protest. I knew you were SG88.
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Post by SG88 on Aug 16, 2019 18:38:01 GMT -5
I am a 20 year retired Navet and feel that you are incorrect. Honestly, I fought for him to have the right to protest. Most people that have not served have a bad sense of what patriotism is. I feel that this kind of post is disrespectful for those of us who have served. Part of the sailor's creed states "I represent the fighting spirit of the navy, and those who have gone before me to defend freedom and democracy around the world." Part of that freedom is freedom of speech. People do not have to agree with the methods of the protests, but they should respect the right to protest. I knew you were SG88. Lol, who's that? Sounds like a cool guy 😉
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2019 18:53:33 GMT -5
I don't understand the animosity toward CK. He took advantage of capitalism like many others would like to do. His martyr act has hurt no one. Agree or disagree with his tactics, he beat the system. He gets notoriety and a pretty good amount of money without having to risk physical or mental damage on the field and all he had to do to earn this was kneel down. It's obvious he wanted out of football as he passed up several chances. He was one of the few who realized his window for success was near its end and opted out before he could no longer compete. (I wonder if Eli ever considered this.) For a player with average talent he has done well. He disrespected this country, the flag, and the men and women who put their lives on the line for his ass. The USA is such a fascinating social experiment.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2019 18:54:32 GMT -5
He disrespected this country, the flag, and the men and women who put their lives on the line for his ass. I am a 20 year retired Navet and feel that you are incorrect. Honestly, I fought for him to have the right to protest. Most people that have not served have a bad sense of what patriotism is. I feel that this kind of post is disrespectful for those of us who have served. Part of the sailor's creed states "I represent the fighting spirit of the navy, and those who have gone before me to defend freedom and democracy around the world." Part of that freedom is freedom of speech. People do not have to agree with the methods of the protests, but they should respect the right to protest. Its easier to regurgitate false narratives you see elsewhere on the internet. Is it not?
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Post by Morehead State on Aug 16, 2019 20:56:16 GMT -5
Lol, who's that? Sounds like a cool guy 😉 He was a ******
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Post by GameTime on Aug 16, 2019 21:55:08 GMT -5
Lol, who's that? Sounds like a cool guy 😉 He was a ****** was?.....lol
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Post by DandyDon on Aug 16, 2019 22:23:08 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2019 22:36:47 GMT -5
kap only turned down an offer while still on the 49ers . the broncos wanted to trade for him but he would have to agree to a paycut . but this is just another example how ppl take something they heard and run with it . There was collusion and mara himself basically spelled it out .
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Post by SG88 on Aug 16, 2019 22:50:46 GMT -5
Lol, who's that? Sounds like a cool guy 😉 He was a ****** I'm pretty sure he feels the same way about good 'ol Morehead St.
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Post by Roosevelt on Aug 16, 2019 22:54:20 GMT -5
kap only turned down an offer while still on the 39ers . the broncos wanted to trade for him but he would have to agree to a paycut . but this is just another example how ppl take something they heard and run with it . There was collusion and mara himself basically spelled it out .
Like the "39ers" as an example?
How exactly did Mara spell out collusion? I'd love to hear this so make it good.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2019 23:02:01 GMT -5
kap only turned down an offer while still on the 39ers . the broncos wanted to trade for him but he would have to agree to a paycut . but this is just another example how ppl take something they heard and run with it . There was collusion and mara himself basically spelled it out .
Like the "39ers" as an example?
How exactly did Mara spell out collusion? I'd love to hear this so make it good.
www.nj.com/giants/2017/11/giants_co-owners_part_of_colin_kaepernick_collusio.htmlThe Giants never pursued Kaepernick in free agency after he opted out of his deal with the 49ers. The request is rooted in Mara's comments about Kaepernick to The MMQB in May, according to the report. Mara said any team that signed Kaepernick would risk significant backlash given his national anthem protest and social advocacy. www.sfgate.com/news/media/John-Mara-says-signing-Colin-Kaepernick-would-888900.php
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Post by Sarcasman on Aug 16, 2019 23:41:22 GMT -5
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Post by Dogecoin on Aug 17, 2019 6:27:56 GMT -5
He's more than allowed to express his social views. This is nothing to "worry" about.
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Post by Roosevelt on Aug 17, 2019 8:47:18 GMT -5
So his opinion is evidence of collusion? He’s one owner who spoke honestly about the fan reaction he received to CK. If there is anything to be learned from John Mara’s comments, it’s just how much the fans object to players disrespecting the National Anthem.
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Post by soflo on Aug 17, 2019 9:34:50 GMT -5
Same as the code of conduct at a funeral. But it does raise an interesting question: why do we have these ceremonies at sporting events anyway? If we have the separation between church and state, why is there no separation from sports and state? Sports is a form of entertainment, but they don't ask you to observe the national anthem at other entertainment venues like concerts or movie theaters. If politics doesn't have anything to do with the flag then why should sports? It's strange to me how nobody ever seems to ask that question in this whole debate about bringing politics into sports, because if we separated sports and state, unwanted politics would never be an issue at these events.
Ah.I see.
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