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Post by TheAnalyst on Aug 26, 2019 5:25:47 GMT -5
Besides them give me another example of other teams that always win without a good oline and bad tackling and blocking. I'm not thrilled with your NE example. Hasn't the NE OL been ranked in the top 10 for like the past five years? Off what metric? The system of Brady getting the ball off the fastest in the NFL avoiding having to rely on the OL protecting him? There is a reason Solder looks worse here than he ever did in NE.
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Post by GameTime on Aug 26, 2019 6:45:04 GMT -5
Hasn't the NE OL been ranked in the top 10 for like the past five years? Off what metric? The system of Brady getting the ball off the fastest in the NFL avoiding having to rely on the OL protecting him? There is a reason Solder looks worse here than he ever did in NE. thats also NE game. Quick reads and short throws mostly no matter what their oline is doing
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Post by TheAnalyst on Aug 26, 2019 7:39:24 GMT -5
Off what metric? The system of Brady getting the ball off the fastest in the NFL avoiding having to rely on the OL protecting him? There is a reason Solder looks worse here than he ever did in NE. thats also NE game. Quick reads and short throws mostly no matter what their oline is doing It's what teams with bad OLs need to do. It's why the Giants were doing that with Eli for a while. The OL was awful. You cant trust Erick Flowers. And if you have a great QB who can consistantly hit his moving target in stride and make the right reads and throws, it's a thing of beauty. It makes an OL look much better than it actually is.
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Post by Sarcasman on Aug 26, 2019 7:51:57 GMT -5
Wow, we are really crapping all over the definition of always win, huh? Well technically, no one ALWAYS wins. Recently, Id say teams like the Patriots obviously, and Colts, Packers, Steelers, Saints, Seahawks are all thought of as "winners" more than "losers". And there is a reason to that when you look at the QBs and not the OLines. Sure, despite all the evidence to the contrary, huh?
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Post by Sarcasman on Aug 26, 2019 7:53:47 GMT -5
Hasn't the NE OL been ranked in the top 10 for like the past five years? Off what metric? The system of Brady getting the ball off the fastest in the NFL avoiding having to rely on the OL protecting him? There is a reason Solder looks worse here than he ever did in NE. I’m no fan of the unit rankings either but by and large all the teams mentioned except for Seattle pretty much always have good to very good OLs.
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Post by bizcliz on Aug 26, 2019 7:54:42 GMT -5
Well technically, no one ALWAYS wins. Recently, Id say teams like the Patriots obviously, and Colts, Packers, Steelers, Saints, Seahawks are all thought of as "winners" more than "losers". And there is a reason to that when you look at the QBs and not the OLines. Sure, despite all the evidence to the contrary, huh? The Patriots, Packers, Colts (last year), Saints and Steelers all have top 10 OLs in this league over the past 5 years Only the Seahawks have arguably a worse or similar OL as to what the Giants have had. The Colts had a sieve up front before last year and it got Andrew Luck killed while he was trying to be a super hero
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Post by TheAnalyst on Aug 26, 2019 7:58:08 GMT -5
Well technically, no one ALWAYS wins. Recently, Id say teams like the Patriots obviously, and Colts, Packers, Steelers, Saints, Seahawks are all thought of as "winners" more than "losers". And there is a reason to that when you look at the QBs and not the OLines. Sure, despite all the evidence to the contrary, huh? Are we doing the chicken and the egg thing here? Good QBs make an OL look better than they are... Or are the OLs making Brees, Rodgers, Brady, Luck good?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2019 7:58:13 GMT -5
Hasn't the NE OL been ranked in the top 10 for like the past five years? Off what metric? The system of Brady getting the ball off the fastest in the NFL avoiding having to rely on the OL protecting him? There is a reason Solder looks worse here than he ever did in NE. I'm always amazed at how long Brady gets at times. Sure most of his throws are out quick but there are times he's ordering dinner back there. The 2nd amazing thing is how they make every olineman look better then average but out of that place they never do!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2019 7:59:48 GMT -5
Sure, despite all the evidence to the contrary, huh? The Patriots, Packers, Colts (last year), Saints and Steelers all have top 10 OLs in this league over the past 5 years Only the Seahawks have arguably a worse or similar OL as to what the Giants have had. The Colts had a sieve up front before last year and it got Andrew Luck killed while he was trying to be a super hero Can't say I've watched them much but I seem to keep reading the Packers oline sucks also.
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Post by bizcliz on Aug 26, 2019 8:01:13 GMT -5
The Patriots, Packers, Colts (last year), Saints and Steelers all have top 10 OLs in this league over the past 5 years Only the Seahawks have arguably a worse or similar OL as to what the Giants have had. The Colts had a sieve up front before last year and it got Andrew Luck killed while he was trying to be a super hero Can't say I've watched them much but I seem to keep reading the Packers oline sucks also. I don't know where you're reading
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2019 8:15:15 GMT -5
Can't say I've watched them much but I seem to keep reading the Packers oline sucks also. I don't know where you're reading I was reading the lack of a rushing game and too much pressure is a reason they suck now.
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Post by GameTime on Aug 26, 2019 8:17:46 GMT -5
thats also NE game. Quick reads and short throws mostly no matter what their oline is doing It's what teams with bad OLs need to do. It's why the Giants were doing that with Eli for a while. The OL was awful. You cant trust Erick Flowers. And if you have a great QB who can consistantly hit his moving target in stride and make the right reads and throws, it's a thing of beauty. It makes an OL look much better than it actually is. well its what NE dos regardless and BB's olines usually run block very well too. They also pick and choose their deep passes and have success with that.
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Post by Sarcasman on Aug 26, 2019 9:40:12 GMT -5
Sure, despite all the evidence to the contrary, huh? Are we doing the chicken and the egg thing here? Good QBs make an OL look better than they are... Or are the OLs making Brees, Rodgers, Brady, Luck good? Some chicken, some egg and maybe some salad. I'd have used Wilson as the example since of the names you posted, he's the only one with a really bad OL. I think our positions are much more similar than they are different, it seems like there's a 5% difference that we're focused on; to me it's just much more symbiotic than we like to acknowledge here.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Aug 26, 2019 10:02:53 GMT -5
Are we doing the chicken and the egg thing here? Good QBs make an OL look better than they are... Or are the OLs making Brees, Rodgers, Brady, Luck good? Some chicken, some egg and maybe some salad. I'd have used Wilson as the example since of the names you posted, he's the only one with a really bad OL. I think our positions are much more similar than they are different, it seems like there's a 5% difference that we're focused on; to me it's just much more symbiotic than we like to acknowledge here. Fair enough. I do think GB has a bad OL though. And with he exception of 2 years ago, Indy has had a bad OL. Maybe not the worst, but certainly not good-great.
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Post by shocknaweny on Aug 26, 2019 10:21:53 GMT -5
Really? What have they won,........recently? games, division titles, playoff games
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Post by bigblueones on Aug 26, 2019 10:46:18 GMT -5
I'm just happy they don't sell that rag Upstate. Then again, I'd like to think we'd be smart enough to not even read it.
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Post by Sarcasman on Aug 26, 2019 12:17:16 GMT -5
Some chicken, some egg and maybe some salad. I'd have used Wilson as the example since of the names you posted, he's the only one with a really bad OL. I think our positions are much more similar than they are different, it seems like there's a 5% difference that we're focused on; to me it's just much more symbiotic than we like to acknowledge here. Fair enough. I do think GB has a bad OL though. And with he exception of 2 years ago, Indy has had a bad OL. Maybe not the worst, but certainly not good-great. That's fair. I think they've been top 10 for 3 of the past 5 years and average to below average the other two. And I'm with you in as far as I'm not crazy about the metrics around this either, it's always some bullshit advanced stat house publishing these, but it is what it is. I agree that I don't believe GB's OL has been as consistently good as the other examples.
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Post by shocknaweny on Aug 27, 2019 8:16:11 GMT -5
Well the Packers beat the Giants in the Playoffs in 2017 and I think Indy was in the AFC title game that year
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Post by shocknaweny on Aug 27, 2019 8:16:56 GMT -5
When was the last time Eli guided this team to a playoff win....nearly 10 years ago ?
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