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Post by giantsalmon on Dec 17, 2019 20:54:02 GMT -5
Thanks for bringing this back up. Honestly, I'm surprised Greg Williams and Sean Payton are still coaching by TODAYS standards. It doesn't matter much where your defense comes in rating wise when it strategically takes opposing Offensive stars out. Yeah found this. Disgusting Williams is still coaching in NFL. When bounty was involved should have been criminal, just like any other citizen had done it. As you may have figured out, I not only watch all Giants games but all Bills games and many other NFL games. It is absolutely wrong how the roughing calls are not equitable. Daniel Jones and Josh Allen get absolutely destroyed--no call. Why because they are young and 6' 5"? Half as hard a hit on Brady or Rogers and it's automatic 15 yds. I'm not just talking about when they run, but in the pocket as well. Those are game changing penalties that should be enforced fairly. Can you imagine if that Leonard Marshall hit on Montana happened this year? They would slap the cuffs on him for hitting him too hard and/or landing on him with all his weight. Whatever the interpretation is now, it has to be the same regardless of seniority in the league or star status.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Dec 17, 2019 21:15:32 GMT -5
Yeah found this. Disgusting Williams is still coaching in NFL. When bounty was involved should have been criminal, just like any other citizen had done it. As you may have figured out, I not only watch all Giants games but all Bills games and many other NFL games. It is absolutely wrong how the roughing calls are not equitable. Daniel Jones and Josh Allen get absolutely destroyed--no call. Why because they are young and 6' 5"? Half as hard a hit on Brady or Rogers and it's automatic 15 yds. I'm not just talking about when they run, but in the pocket as well. Those are game changing penalties that should be enforced fairly. Can you imagine if that Leonard Marshall hit on Montana happened this year? They would slap the cuffs on him for hitting him too hard and/or landing on him with all his weight. Whatever the interpretation is now, it has to be the same regardless of seniority in the league or star status. Happens in every sport. The big name stars get the calls, whether it's a fastball 6 inches off the plate or it's a charge on a driving forward called a block. Eli got hammered all the time though and never got calls. I'm not sure he ever got one call of hit to the head I can remember in his career. Meanwhile if you stare at Brady too long its 15.
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Post by giantsalmon on Dec 17, 2019 21:31:36 GMT -5
As you may have figured out, I not only watch all Giants games but all Bills games and many other NFL games. It is absolutely wrong how the roughing calls are not equitable. Daniel Jones and Josh Allen get absolutely destroyed--no call. Why because they are young and 6' 5"? Half as hard a hit on Brady or Rogers and it's automatic 15 yds. I'm not just talking about when they run, but in the pocket as well. Those are game changing penalties that should be enforced fairly. Can you imagine if that Leonard Marshall hit on Montana happened this year? They would slap the cuffs on him for hitting him too hard and/or landing on him with all his weight. Whatever the interpretation is now, it has to be the same regardless of seniority in the league or star status. Happens in every sport. The big name stars get the calls, whether it's a fastball 6 inches off the plate or it's a charge on a driving forward called a block. Eli got hammered all the time though and never got calls. I'm not sure he ever got one call of hit to the head I can remember in his career. Meanwhile if you stare at Brady too long its 15. The Brady and Rogers stuff is particularly hard to take because they campaign for it and get it. Now that you mention it Eli did not get many of those calls. You must've seen the head shots I saw on DJ and Allen that I saw this year. Unreal no calls. Last year the hit Allen got injured on in the pocket was a hit by the helmet of a Texans LB to his elbow. Out for 5 games. Inequitable calls on those type of plays can be even worse to a team than the PI calls or non calls.
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Post by Dogecoin on Dec 18, 2019 14:31:07 GMT -5
Happens in every sport. The big name stars get the calls, whether it's a fastball 6 inches off the plate or it's a charge on a driving forward called a block. Eli got hammered all the time though and never got calls. I'm not sure he ever got one call of hit to the head I can remember in his career. Meanwhile if you stare at Brady too long its 15. The Brady and Rogers stuff is particularly hard to take because they campaign for it and get it. Now that you mention it Eli did not get many of those calls. You must've seen the head shots I saw on DJ and Allen that I saw this year. Unreal no calls. Last year the hit Allen got injured on in the pocket was a hit by the helmet of a Texans LB to his elbow. Out for 5 games. Inequitable calls on those type of plays can be even worse to a team than the PI calls or non calls. Guy I recall getting shafted on the non-calls was Vick. Idk if they figured he was just a running back anyway or what, but he used to get late hit and helmet hits all the time with no calls.
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Post by giantsalmon on Dec 18, 2019 15:28:24 GMT -5
The Brady and Rogers stuff is particularly hard to take because they campaign for it and get it. Now that you mention it Eli did not get many of those calls. You must've seen the head shots I saw on DJ and Allen that I saw this year. Unreal no calls. Last year the hit Allen got injured on in the pocket was a hit by the helmet of a Texans LB to his elbow. Out for 5 games. Inequitable calls on those type of plays can be even worse to a team than the PI calls or non calls. Guy I recall getting shafted on the non-calls was Vick. Idk if they figured he was just a running back anyway or what, but he used to get late hit and helmet hits all the time with no calls. Now that you mention it I remember RG3 getting destroyed often. Some of that he did bring on himself. He is one guy that just gets hit awkwardly often. The guy that seems to never get hit awkwardly and protects himself well is the waterbug Russell Wilson.
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Post by lasion2 on Dec 19, 2019 21:47:23 GMT -5
Vick and RG3 were not big guys. More rangy type runners that should’ve tried to be like Wilson or Rodgers, not how Cam used to be or how Jackson seems to be. Scramble types, not actual running backs.
The kid gloves that Brady and Rodgers get dealt with is incredibly frustrating. I have no real qualm with Brady, but the guy acts like he shouldn’t get hit, ever. He gives his OL/refs an earful every time.
Was it Cam that took a hit a few years back and looked at the ref and the zebra said, “you’re too young to get that call”?
Eli must have gotten at least 1 roughing call, right? But I swear I don’t remember it. Someone gotta check that.
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Post by giantsalmon on Dec 19, 2019 21:54:41 GMT -5
Vick and RG3 were not big guys. More rangy type runners that should’ve tried to be like Wilson or Rodgers, not how Cam used to be or how Jackson seems to be. Scramble types, not actual running backs. Was it Cam that took a hit a few years back and looked at the ref and the zebra said, “you’re too young to get that call”? Eli must have gotten at least 1 roughing call, right? But I swear I don’t remember it. Someone gotta check that. I do remember that Cam hit. I've never been a big fan of his but I thought that was wrong when it happened. Perhaps they didn't like his "Superman" act, but a foul is a foul. I also remember an injurious hit on Matt Moore on the sideline that wasn't called. For as many snaps as he took, and sacks he endured, Eli certainly didn't get many roughing calls.
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Post by lasion2 on Dec 19, 2019 22:00:57 GMT -5
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Post by TheAnalyst on Dec 20, 2019 7:51:48 GMT -5
Interesting. Peyton Manning is dead last in RTP per game. (#1 in least) Tony Romo is the 3rd least Eli Manning is a 7th least. Ryan Fitzmagic.... Most calls over all and most calls per game. Of course, there are still a lot of other variables not included in these results however.
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Post by jimmieray on Dec 20, 2019 9:13:42 GMT -5
Interesting. Peyton Manning is dead last in RTP per game. (#1 in least) Tony Romo is the 3rd least Eli Manning is a 7th least. Ryan Fitzmagic.... Most calls over all and most calls per game. Of course, there are still a lot of other variables not included in these results however. Fitzpatrick takes off recklessly and often, right up the middle when there's no lane even.
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Post by giantsalmon on Dec 20, 2019 10:33:20 GMT -5
Interesting. Peyton Manning is dead last in RTP per game. (#1 in least) Tony Romo is the 3rd least Eli Manning is a 7th least. Ryan Fitzmagic.... Most calls over all and most calls per game. Of course, there are still a lot of other variables not included in these results however. Fitzpatrick takes off recklessly and often, right up the middle when there's no lane even. At the end of the farewell Eli game there were microphones down on the field and cameras all over Eli. As he scanned the field looking around Eli said, "where's Fitzy?" The guy is considered one of the all around good guys in the league. Another record Fitz holds is the Wonderlic test. He missed one question.
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Post by giantsback2020 on Dec 21, 2019 10:17:59 GMT -5
Bills and Josh Allen have a chance to go into NE and win today. Should be a physical game in the teens to low 20s. I’m going Bills 20-Pats 17. This is the game where NE round normally restamp themselves as SB contenders, I just don’t think they are.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Dec 21, 2019 11:03:39 GMT -5
Bills and Josh Allen have a chance to go into NE and win today. Should be a physical game in the teens to low 20s. I’m going Bills 20-Pats 17. This is the game where NE round normally restamp themselves as SB contenders, I just don’t think they are. I hope the Bill's win but I just dont see it happening. I'm sure the Pats already have the Bills gameplan on tape and were reviewing it all week.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Dec 21, 2019 11:05:42 GMT -5
I'll go
Texans over Bucs
Pats over Bills
49ers over Rams
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Post by Dogecoin on Dec 21, 2019 11:33:11 GMT -5
I'll go Texans over Bucs Pats over Bills 49ers over Rams I'm going home team for the sweep: - Bucs at 7&7 are better than given credit. Winston is playing for a contract next year. He'll perform. Texans oth are just too inconsistent and lacking in depth to be relied on; - Bills and Pat's in neutral territory with neutral officiating are a coin flip. But neither the territory nor the officiating will be neutral, both in Pat's favor; - Rams loss last week to Dallas said more about them than it did about cowboys (although media of course made it all about Dallas). Rams simply are not the same team that went to super bowl last year.
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Post by giantlegacy on Dec 21, 2019 11:52:10 GMT -5
Re:Rams Interesting fact Barkley has more yards than Gurley in 3 less games
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Post by Fletch842 on Dec 21, 2019 13:03:20 GMT -5
Winston starts off the game with a pick 6, first pass.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Dec 21, 2019 13:21:28 GMT -5
Re:Rams Interesting fact Barkley has more yards than Gurley in 3 less games Gurley's career is almost over. Another reason to not draft RBs early. Its rare they last long.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Dec 21, 2019 13:22:37 GMT -5
Jaimis is a terrible QB. Sorry. Backup next season somewhere. Mariota too.
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Post by Fletch842 on Dec 21, 2019 13:25:23 GMT -5
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Post by TheAnalyst on Dec 21, 2019 13:29:04 GMT -5
Well, since we play them AGAIN next season, Im fine by that.
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Post by giantlegacy on Dec 21, 2019 13:33:17 GMT -5
Re:Rams Interesting fact Barkley has more yards than Gurley in 3 less games Gurley's career is almost over. Another reason to not draft RBs early. Its rare they last long. Gurley also came into the league off a torn ACL and its the same knee giving him fits
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Post by giantlegacy on Dec 21, 2019 13:35:05 GMT -5
Winston starts off the game with a pick 6, first pass. Another 4 TD 3 INt 400 plus yare game where he accounts for 80% of both team's scoring He legit can have a 30/30 year
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Post by TheAnalyst on Dec 21, 2019 13:45:26 GMT -5
Gurley's career is almost over. Another reason to not draft RBs early. Its rare they last long. Gurley also came into the league off a torn ACL and its the same knee giving him fits Hence why I said his career is almost over.
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Post by Dogecoin on Dec 21, 2019 13:50:08 GMT -5
Thus far this game is like watching PS130 vs Bronx science, if that.
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Post by Fletch842 on Dec 21, 2019 13:50:15 GMT -5
what a shit show this game is...
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Post by TheAnalyst on Dec 21, 2019 13:56:10 GMT -5
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Post by TheAnalyst on Dec 21, 2019 13:56:53 GMT -5
5 games of 3+ INTs for Jaimis Winston this year ties a NFL record....
with Eli Manning 2013.
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Post by Dogecoin on Dec 21, 2019 13:58:09 GMT -5
Is it my hearing or does the announcer keep calling Texans QB Watson "Winston"?
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Post by giantlegacy on Dec 21, 2019 14:43:20 GMT -5
Any game involving the Bucs turns into a complete wild free for all
As long as you have no rooting interest it's highly entertaining
Egads
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