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Post by Kase1 on Feb 8, 2020 8:31:59 GMT -5
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OT MEKHI BECTON
LOUISVILLE
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WR JALEN REAGOR
TCU
98: R3P34
TE HARRISON BRYANT
FLORIDA ATLANTIC
107: R4P4
LB JORDYN BROOKS
TEXAS TECH
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C T.J. MCCOY
LOUISVILLE
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RB ZACK MOSS
UTAH
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S SHYHEIM CARTER
ALABAMA
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S JULIAN BLACKMON
UTAH
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WR JUWAN JOHNSON
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Man, seens like if i dont take an edge guy in the 1st im left with developmental players. Lets hope we get Yannick
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Post by Kase1 on Feb 8, 2020 8:36:16 GMT -5
R1P4 LB ISAIAH SIMMONS CLEMSON 36: R2P4 C LLOYD CUSHENBERRY LSU 98: R3P34 WR TYLER JOHNSON MINNESOTA 107: R4P4 OT TREY ADAMS WASHINGTON 150: R5P4 OT JACK DRISCOLL AUBURN 183: R6P4 RB ZACK MOSS UTAH 218: R7P4 S JULIAN BLACKMON UTAH 238: R7P24 CB ESSANG BASSEY WAKE FOREST 247: R7P33 DL BENITO JONES MISSISSIPPI Tried something a little different in this one. Missed out on any decent OTs til Adams whocis a HUGE risk HUGE reward pick. If healthy he could be a top OT, but thats a HUGE IF, rhats why i drafted Driscoll immediately after him. Love Zack Moss, he would be a change of pace, beat em up type RB to compliment SQB I'm still not on the Simmons bandwagon at 4...actually, I would be kind of muttering out the TV is we took him at 4. I know you don't, but I'm guessing a LOT of posters never seen him, and are thinking we're getting a Josh Allen/Von Miller type player vs a coverage linebacker who lines up at safety quite a bit. Oh hes not my ideal selection at 4 AT ALL, but i was playing devils advocate and seeing how i would plan out the rest of the draft if we do take Simmons at 4. I think hes good, but i feel like we could get similar value with Troy Dye, Jordan Brooks, or Cam Brown. I dont know about u, but i cant land a solid edge prospect to save my life. Its either overdraft in the 1st or take shots in the dark later on.... Call me crazy but I dont love the day 1 starting potential of this year's edge guys
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Post by Kase1 on Feb 8, 2020 8:48:22 GMT -5
I feel like we have to sacrifice either going EDGE in the 1st or OT in the 1st, because after that the dropoff is HUGE. I cant seem to get a draft with a OT, EDGE, and Center I am very pleased with
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LSU
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C TYLER BIADASZ
WISCONSIN
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WR TYLER JOHNSON
MINNESOTA
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LB TROY DYE
OREGON
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OT JACK DRISCOLL
AUBURN
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RB ZACK MOSS
UTAH
218: R7P4
CB AMIK ROBERTSON
LOUISIANA TECH
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S SHYHEIM CARTER
ALABAMA
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S JULIAN BLACKMON
UTAH
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Post by Kase1 on Feb 8, 2020 8:59:30 GMT -5
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GEORGIA
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EDGE JOSH UCHE
MICHIGAN
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C NICK HARRIS
WASHINGTON
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LB JORDYN BROOKS
TEXAS TECH
150: R5P4
WR QUINTEZ CEPHUS
WISCONSIN
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RB ZACK MOSS
UTAH
218: R7P4
CB AMIK ROBERTSON
LOUISIANA TECH
238: R7P24
TE MITCHELL WILCOX
SOUTH FLORIDA
247: R7P33
S SHYHEIM CARTER
ALABAMA
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2020 9:57:51 GMT -5
SIGNED PLAYERS Name Position Cap Hit Leonard Williams DL 9,100,000 Jadeveon Clowney EDGE 15,400,000 Joe Schobert LB 8,400,000 Cory Littleton LB 6,000,000 Anthony Harris S 8,400,000 Byron Jones CB 11,200,000 (Chris Jones?) CUT Name Position Alec Ogletree LB Rhett Ellison TE Kareem Martin EDGE Antoine Bethea S I would sign Chris Jones any day over Leonard Williams. Jones will probably make it to free agency due the cap issues in KC...and of course getting Mahomes is record breaking contract extension. I'm going linebacker in free agency to avoid the drafting of Simmons, whom I feel could be a lost bust. It's a deep edge and linebacker free agent class...as well as safety and corner. I also signed Harris and Byron Jones in free agency to solidify our secondary. I do not see anything of interest in free agency regarding centers or tackles, thus knowing this is a massive deep OL class in the draft, I shall attack OL in the draft, and try to trade back. I also did not sign Golden, and did sign Clowney. If we want another pass rusher, we can go really get nuts and sign Chris Jones, the 2nd best 3 tech in football. Free agency is deep on defense...the draft deep on offense. If the draft is deep on OL, QB, WR, RB and the fairly deep only at CB, while free agents abound at LB, Edge, CB and Safety, I would assume the intelligent event would be accept these variables, and what they would present...and bid on a deep position, and also draft a deep position. Common sense. No trades draft here - yes, going Prince again as he has some serious talents, albeit, short arm syndrome. Worse case, he ends up as a starting guard with pro bowl upside. 4: R1P4 OT ANDREW THOMAS GEORGIA 36: R2P4 OT PRINCE TEGA WANOGHO AUBURN 98: R3P34 WR VAN JEFFERSON FLORIDA 107: R4P4 C NICK HARRIS WASHINGTON 150: R5P4 OT JACK DRISCOLL AUBURN 183: R6P4 RB ZACK MOSS UTAH 218: R7P4 S JULIAN BLACKMON UTAH 238: R7P24 EDGE KENDALL COLEMAN SYRACUSE 247: R7P33 CB ESSANG BASSEY WAKE FOREST With trades, and I strongly believe DG needs to accumulate trades and trade down all over the board 12: R1P12 OT MEKHI BECTON LOUISVILLE 33: R2P1 C LLOYD CUSHENBERRY LSU 36: R2P4 OT PRINCE TEGA WANOGHO AUBURN 74: R3P10 TE ADAM TRAUTMAN DAYTON 90: R3P26 WR DENZEL MIMS BAYLOR 98: R3P34 WR VAN JEFFERSON FLORIDA 118: R4P15 RB ZACK MOSS UTAH 150: R5P4 S JULIAN BLACKMON UTAH 159: R5P13 CB LAVERT HILL MICHIGAN 183: R6P4 EDGE KENDALL COLEMAN SYRACUSE 218: R7P4 C T.J. MCCOY LOUISVILLE 238: R7P24 RB REGGIE CORBIN ILLINOIS 247: R7P33 LB MICHAEL DIVINITY JR. LSU Offense heavy on the draft...where the strengths are at. Defense heavy in free agency...where the strengths are at.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2020 10:06:08 GMT -5
I'm still not on the Simmons bandwagon at 4...actually, I would be kind of muttering out the TV is we took him at 4. I know you don't, but I'm guessing a LOT of posters never seen him, and are thinking we're getting a Josh Allen/Von Miller type player vs a coverage linebacker who lines up at safety quite a bit. Oh hes not my ideal selection at 4 AT ALL, but i was playing devils advocate and seeing how i would plan out the rest of the draft if we do take Simmons at 4. I think hes good, but i feel like we could get similar value with Troy Dye, Jordan Brooks, or Cam Brown. I dont know about u, but i cant land a solid edge prospect to save my life. Its either overdraft in the 1st or take shots in the dark later on.... Call me crazy but I dont love the day 1 starting potential of this year's edge guys Last year was the edge year...I'm all over going into free agency and overspending on one or two of the many deep pass rush guys in FA...we have a big cap number...not sure with DG's situation he does not spend that cash on the free agent depth...linebackers, edge, corners and the safety position. Offense all draft long...OL, WR and RB as deep as they get. If there was a year to spin back as much as we can in a draft, this is it. Barkley was the other year, at least from pick 2 If we do sit tight cause no partners to trade with, Andrew Thomas is the easy 4 pick... I bet my arse Thomas kicks back into top 5 pick after the combines...if he drills out in pass protection, he is again a top 3 positional pick. I'm expecting that.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2020 10:19:18 GMT -5
: R1P4 OT MEKHI BECTON LOUISVILLE 36: R2P4 WR JALEN REAGOR TCU 98: R3P34 TE HARRISON BRYANT FLORIDA ATLANTIC 107: R4P4 LB JORDYN BROOKS TEXAS TECH 150: R5P4 C T.J. MCCOY LOUISVILLE 183: R6P4 RB ZACK MOSS UTAH 218: R7P4 S SHYHEIM CARTER ALABAMA 238: R7P24 S JULIAN BLACKMON UTAH 247: R7P33 WR JUWAN JOHNSON OREGON Man, seens like if i dont take an edge guy in the 1st im left with developmental players. Lets hope we get YannickHere's an article suggesting a landing spot of 19.5 sacks and a 26 year old being...the Giants thedraftnetwork.com/articles/shaq-barrett-free-agent-buccaneers-2020Is Barrett a legit edge worthy of the 20 plus million a year he is about to get?...or a one year stud? I still like Clowney...but the Giants have to get one of these edge free agents...not a single one past Chase Young wows me in the class.
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Post by giantlegacy on Feb 8, 2020 11:11:19 GMT -5
R1P4 LB ISAIAH SIMMONS CLEMSON 36: R2P4 C LLOYD CUSHENBERRY LSU 98: R3P34 WR TYLER JOHNSON MINNESOTA 107: R4P4 OT TREY ADAMS WASHINGTON 150: R5P4 OT JACK DRISCOLL AUBURN 183: R6P4 RB ZACK MOSS UTAH 218: R7P4 S JULIAN BLACKMON UTAH 238: R7P24 CB ESSANG BASSEY WAKE FOREST 247: R7P33 DL BENITO JONES MISSISSIPPI Tried something a little different in this one. Missed out on any decent OTs til Adams whocis a HUGE risk HUGE reward pick. If healthy he could be a top OT, but thats a HUGE IF, rhats why i drafted Driscoll immediately after him. Love Zack Moss, he would be a change of pace, beat em up type RB to compliment SQB I'm still not on the Simmons bandwagon at 4...actually, I would be kind of muttering out the TV is we took him at 4. I know you don't, but I'm guessing a LOT of posters never seen him, and are thinking we're getting a Josh Allen/Von Miller type player vs a coverage linebacker who lines up at safety quite a bit. 100% agree on Simmons Way too boom or bust as well (I can't shake the image of him singlehandedly being the reason for Dobbins' 2 huge runs in the playoffs by being out of position,then of course being downfield 40 yards on that INT) That's a guy that one week makes some sick plays then in the playoffs wears the goat horns
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Post by giantlegacy on Feb 8, 2020 11:22:50 GMT -5
SIGNED PLAYERS Name Position Cap Hit Leonard Williams DL 9,100,000 Jadeveon Clowney EDGE 15,400,000 Joe Schobert LB 8,400,000 Cory Littleton LB 6,000,000 Anthony Harris S 8,400,000 Byron Jones CB 11,200,000 (Chris Jones?) CUT Name Position Alec Ogletree LB Rhett Ellison TE Kareem Martin EDGE Antoine Bethea S I would sign Chris Jones any day over Leonard Williams. Jones will probably make it to free agency due the cap issues in KC...and of course getting Mahomes is record breaking contract extension. I'm going linebacker in free agency to avoid the drafting of Simmons, whom I feel could be a lost bust. It's a deep edge and linebacker free agent class...as well as safety and corner. I also signed Harris and Byron Jones in free agency to solidify our secondary. I do not see anything of interest in free agency regarding centers or tackles, thus knowing this is a massive deep OL class in the draft, I shall attack OL in the draft, and try to trade back. I also did not sign Golden, and did sign Clowney. If we want another pass rusher, we can go really get nuts and sign Chris Jones, the 2nd best 3 tech in football. Free agency is deep on defense...the draft deep on offense. If the draft is deep on OL, QB, WR, RB and the fairly deep only at CB, while free agents abound at LB, Edge, CB and Safety, I would assume the intelligent event would be accept these variables, and what they would present...and bid on a deep position, and also draft a deep position. Common sense. No trades draft here - yes, going Prince again as he has some serious talents, albeit, short arm syndrome. Worse case, he ends up as a starting guard with pro bowl upside. 4: R1P4 OT ANDREW THOMAS GEORGIA 36: R2P4 OT PRINCE TEGA WANOGHO AUBURN 98: R3P34 WR VAN JEFFERSON FLORIDA 107: R4P4 C NICK HARRIS WASHINGTON 150: R5P4 OT JACK DRISCOLL AUBURN 183: R6P4 RB ZACK MOSS UTAH 218: R7P4 S JULIAN BLACKMON UTAH 238: R7P24 EDGE KENDALL COLEMAN SYRACUSE 247: R7P33 CB ESSANG BASSEY WAKE FOREST With trades, and I strongly believe DG needs to accumulate trades and trade down all over the board 12: R1P12 OT MEKHI BECTON LOUISVILLE 33: R2P1 C LLOYD CUSHENBERRY LSU 36: R2P4 OT PRINCE TEGA WANOGHO AUBURN 74: R3P10 TE ADAM TRAUTMAN DAYTON 90: R3P26 WR DENZEL MIMS BAYLOR 98: R3P34 WR VAN JEFFERSON FLORIDA 118: R4P15 RB ZACK MOSS UTAH 150: R5P4 S JULIAN BLACKMON UTAH 159: R5P13 CB LAVERT HILL MICHIGAN 183: R6P4 EDGE KENDALL COLEMAN SYRACUSE 218: R7P4 C T.J. MCCOY LOUISVILLE 238: R7P24 RB REGGIE CORBIN ILLINOIS 247: R7P33 LB MICHAEL DIVINITY JR. LSU Offense heavy on the draft...where the strengths are at. Defense heavy in free agency...where the strengths are at. Yep yep you get it 100% Defense in FA ,offense in the draft,(though good corner depth though) Version 2 would be sick After beefing the trenches A depth chart playmakers wise WR Slayton Mimms Jefferson Shepard Tate A LOT of outside speed and post catch ability which fuels modern NFL offenses..we could field a close facsimile of what KC has with a much better back Add Trauchman to Kaden Smith (If both these guys develop Engram can be moved) in the 12.... And have the defense to stop teams.... But watch Gettleman spend on Cooper and Conklin and draft Brown at 4
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2020 17:16:49 GMT -5
15: R1P15 OT MEKHI BECTONLOUISVILLE 6'7 370 pounds From 7th round pick to our first pick. Becton was asked to lose weight before this college season, and he did. Results? He was dominant. He needs a bit of work, especially on his punch that can be wild at times (see tape)...but when he connects it's unbelievable power...you can not teach that immense size and amazingly quick feet he has. He started college on the right side, and I expect we would do the same as Solder starts at left tackle, and is replaced by Becton after a few Jones fumbles. Interesting fact...Becton is a tremendous basketball player as well. His weight is a concern, but he has starting left tackle written all over that large body. I can see why DJ has us taking Becton at 4, and you know...after watching ALL his games this year in isolation...I have no problem taking this monster...even at 4. He is a freak...in a good way. 36: R2P4 CB BRYCE HALLVIRGINIA Looks like possible CB2 at this point, before the combines where CB's can move a bit from the spandex show...smooth. Here is some last year video shutting down our Daniel Jones 48: R2P16 C TYLER BIADASZWISCONSIN Tyler had an off season, and it is telling in the big boards. Hip? Some have suggested he should of declared into the draft last year...now he might not even be the first center taken. His issues are athletic ability and length...and that translating into being a bit late with some of his blocks and setting his anchor. I have heard some podcasts with scouts suggesting he might sneak into round 3...yeah, the season was not that good. It's noticeable on the video and live 77: R3P13 OT LUCAS NIANGTCU 6'7 330 pounds Lucas, who is never beaten, is also a hip issue pick. Lucas could eventually be the best pass protection tackle in this class. great with longer pass plays...length is great with dancing bear feet. Becton and Niang would be tremendous 6'7 inch bookends for the Giants and Daniel Jones moving forward. 80: R3P16 WR DENZEL MIMSBAYLOR 81: R3P17 WR VAN JEFFERSONFLORIDA 83: R3P19 LB TROY DYEOREGON 98: R3P34 CB TROY PRIDE JR.NOTRE DAME Small corner who has track speed...played well in the senior bowl week. Like many corners, he does not like to tackle. Still, the fact he sticks to slots and ones outside makes him a mid round pick. 107: R4P4 EDGE ANFERNEE JENNINGSALABAMA 150: R5P4 WR TYLER JOHNSONMINNESOTA 183: R6P4 LB JOE BACHIEMICHIGAN STATE NOT a three down backer...can not cover. At this spot in the draft, we could get a thumper. 218: R7P4 EDGE KENDALL COLEMANSYRACUSE East-West Shrine Game standout. Daniel Jeremiah had him as the best defensive player for this event. 238: R7P24 RB REGGIE CORBINILLINOIS Reggie is a video game...you will not see ANY running back make moves like he does. Not a three down back due to obvious blitz blocking (see the 47 second mark of this video to get an idea when he pass blocks...lol)...but, he is a weapon for any offense. You will be hearing a lot more of him after the combines... 247: R7P33 C T.J. MCCOYLOUISVILLE
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2020 11:41:09 GMT -5
13: R1P13 OT MEKHI BECTON LOUISVILLE 36: R2P4 C LLOYD CUSHENBERRY LSU 44: R2P12 TE ADAM TRAUTMAN DAYTON 75: R3P11 WR COLLIN JOHNSON TEXAS 98: R3P34 OT LUCAS NIANG TCU 116: R4P13 LB TROY DYE OREGON 119: R4P16 WR K.J. HILL OHIO STATE 150: R5P4 LB JACOB PHILLIPS LSU 157: R5P11 RB ZACK MOSS UTAH 160: R5P14 OT JACK DRISCOLL AUBURN 183: R6P4 EDGE KENDALL COLEMAN SYRACUSE 193: R6P14 CB LEVONTA TAYLOR FLORIDA STATE 218: R7P4 RB AJ DILLON BOSTON COLLEGE 238: R7P24 CB ESSANG BASSEY WAKE FOREST 247: R7P33 S JULIAN BLACKMON UTAH
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13: R1P13 OT ANDREW THOMAS GEORGIA 44: R2P12 C LLOYD CUSHENBERRY LSU 68: R3P4 RB CLYDE EDWARDS-HELAIRE LSU 75: R3P11 TE ADAM TRAUTMAN DAYTON 76: R3P12 WR JALEN REAGOR TCU 79: R3P15 WR DENZEL MIMS BAYLOR 92: R3P28 OT LUCAS NIANG TCU 107: R4P4 CB TROY PRIDE JR. NOTRE DAME 119: R4P16 G SOLOMON KINDLEY GEORGIA 158: R5P12 EDGE KENDALL COLEMAN SYRACUSE 183: R6P4 RB AJ DILLON BOSTON COLLEGE 218: R7P4 LB SHAQUILLE QUARTERMAN MIAMI 238: R7P24 LB MICHAEL DIVINITY JR. LSU 247: R7P33 LB JUSTIN STRNAD WAKE FOREST
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2020 19:37:43 GMT -5
6: R1P6 S ISAIAH SIMMONS CLEMSON 38: R2P6 OT PRINCE TEGA WANOGHO AUBURN 98: R3P34 LB ZACH BAUN WISCONSIN 112: R4P6 OT CALVIN THROCKMORTON OREGON 150: R5P6 TE LUKE FARRELL OHIO STATE 184: R6P6 C T.J. MCCOY LOUISVILLE219: R7P6 CB ESSANG BASSEY WAKE FOREST 243: R7P30 WR JUWAN JOHNSON OREGON 247: R7P34 RB REGGIE CORBIN ILLINOIS 253: R7P40 WR TYRIE CLEVELAND FLORIDA 255: R7P42 DL NYLES PINCKNEY CLEMSON DEEP center class...another good one. Simmons at 6?!?!?!?! I get that hes the clear cut best LB in the draft, but 6??? I was taking Simmons heat before it was cool to take Simmons heat, lol...but, now that was when we had bettcher whom Simmons would of been used as an ultimate chess piece Ahhh, Bettcher...a chess master given a board full of pawns. I miss him so ....
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Post by giantlegacy on Feb 9, 2020 22:08:22 GMT -5
Simmons at 6?!?!?!?! I get that hes the clear cut best LB in the draft, but 6??? I was taking Simmons heat before it was cool to take Simmons heat, lol...but, now that was when we had bettcher whom Simmons would of been used as an ultimate chess piece Ahhh, Bettcher...a chess master given a board full of pawns. I miss him so .... I miss Bettcher to For me to poop on
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2020 6:03:39 GMT -5
I was taking Simmons heat before it was cool to take Simmons heat, lol...but, now that was when we had bettcher whom Simmons would of been used as an ultimate chess piece Ahhh, Bettcher...a chess master given a board full of pawns. I miss him so .... I miss Bettcher to For me to poop on
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Post by lexington11 on Feb 10, 2020 14:15:33 GMT -5
I took Simmons, cushenberry 1st and 2nd
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Post by lexington11 on Feb 10, 2020 14:17:01 GMT -5
9: R1P9 OT ANDREW THOMAS GEORGIA ''You ask the prospect making machine to create an offensive tackle and they come out looking like Thomas. Thick frame with very little bad weight and long arms. Mobility stands out, especially his short area quickness. Springy footwork when challenged with wide, speed rushers. Does such a great job framing rushers in space and setting up road blocks up the arc. Has terrific length and he knows how to maximize it. Wonderful job of playing with extension and winning with first contact. Does well to place and fit his hands. Timing and location of his punch is precise. Delivers powerful punches that stun pads. Easily absorbs power and sets a sturdy anchor. Pocket width won’t be compromised in pass protection. Brings the fight in pass protection and has experience executing a variety of sets. Love how he rolls his hips into contact as a drive blocker. Outstanding power throughout his frame. Executes with good leverage, posture and body control. Has started every game across his first two seasons in Athens. Experienced executing pro concepts and techniques. What an absolute juggernaut Thomas is -- he'll beat the pants off of whomever is lined up across from him. He's successfully pushed around some of the best defenders in the SEC over his two years as a starter and he shined bright in 2018 at Left Tackle, tacking over for Isaiah Wynn. Thomas has powerful hands and an even more potent anchor, once he drops his hips and sets his base, it is game over. I don't think I saw him get collapsed once in pure one on one situations in any of the games I watched. He uses his hands effectively well to force extra steps from defenders and utilizes a powerful club to push the upfield in quick game. Massive and wide body frame. Possessing a true bruising downhill type of mindset, he’s at his best when allowed to overwhelm stationary or still targets. Is able to fire out of his stance and transition his movements into power. Heavy hands and punch enable him to latch onto down defenders in order to stall their process immediately. Has lots of many quick victories in that he quickly cancels out rush moves because of his brute strength, which forces his feet to go dead. When feeling threatened, he’s able to nail his feet into the ground as pillars to prevent ensuing pressure. Possessing a thick lower half, he uses it to his advantage by gathering momentum out of his stance to generate upward force in order pave running lanes on down blocks. Pre-snap, Thomas keep his eyes and head on a swivel to stay alert of late appearing targets that may signal edge pressure or blitzes of sorts. One of his best traits is being able to recognize tight techniques head up-to-inside of his shoulder that signify twists or stunts. Once seeing the defender crashing inside, he gives a hard push to their desired path and patiently awaits the impending looper from the opposite direction. He not only prepares himself for the action, but also the guard opposite of him.'' 41: R2P9 WR JALEN RAEGOR TCU While Isiah Simmons was out there, and it was SUPER tough to pass on him, I think we would be better off going with Raegor and ideally getting someone like Troy Dye in the 3rd or 4th. IMO Raegor and Dye is better than Simmons and a later round WR ''One of the most explosive athletes in all of college football, even dating back to his long jump record in high school. Incredibly smooth, quick and fast wide receiver. Well-balanced and aware of his movements. Natural route runner who is developing as a route “salesman.” Difficult to cover on vertical routes because of his straight-line speed and flexibility. Special ability with the ball in his hands, sifting through small creases with ease. Ruins the angles of pursuing defenders. Once he gets into space, dynamic plays are inevitable. Well put together and develop frame, ripped in the upper body. Super crafty and twitchy to create space for himself in tight quarters. Explosive and dynamic in terms of athletic ability and it leads to big plays on the field. Has impressive moments of body positioning at the catch point. Isn’t the biggest receiver but he has enough thickness to his frame to not be concerned with his size. Love his burst at the top of routes and there are some impressive moments of acceleration to and through the football on tape. Has adequate ball tracking skills and he generally makes good adjustments. Like his creativity post-catch to rip off yardage. Has illustrated the ability to make route adjustments when finding space in zone. Has showcased the ability to take aggressive angles in his release to beat press coverage. One of the most dangerous playmakers in all of college football. Explosive doesn’t begin to describe how lethal he is with the ball in his hands. Runs like every reception is a part of a backyard football game – makes a ton of people miss any way he can. Productive deep threat who can just blow by corners with elite vertical speed and acceleration. Has a wide array of effective double moves in his toolbox. Shows a ton of potential as a dynamic route runner with his foot quickness and sharpness against man coverage. Just a physical player in all facets of the game – not fazed against bigger cornerbacks and thrives against contact. Possesses elite balance and play strength… bounces off tacklers on a consistent basis.'' 73: R3P9 TE JARED PINKNEY VANDERBILT ''Big bodied receiver who has enough savvy to really abuse linebackers and safeties alike in coverage thanks to his size, release ability and hands over the middle. He's at his best in congested areas in the middle of the field -- does a nice job boxing out defenders and using his hands to cleanly catch the football. He's tasked with a lot of reps with his hand in the dirt, promising an accelerated transition to the pros, likable foundation as a pass protector to get square on rushers. Possesses the functional strength to hold his own from an in-line position. Balanced through contact and straight into defenders, able to pick up yards after the catch both with athleticism and physicality. Explosive into blocks in space when he’s able to get defenders in his frame. Shows flashes of becoming a very good in-line blocker with his play strength and energy.'' 98: R3P34 C DARRYL WILLIAMS MISSISSIPPI STATE ''Smart and tough player who knows how to survive in the trenches. Lot of dog in him late in plays and chases down opponents for pancakes and finishes; great grip strength and vestibular sense for blitzers and twisters. Looks for work and had the hip coil and lower-body flexibility to latch on late with hands and re-drop his anchor to prevent further penetration. Not necessarily a stonewall blocker but rarely allows pocket depth to be compromised. Stronger on combination blocks in the power game than on zone steps and on the hoof as a zone scheme blocker -- profiles best to man-blocking responsibilities at the next level. Coaches will love the competitiveness.'' 115: R4P9 LB TROY DYE OREGON ''Highly productive defensive playmaker across three seasons for the Ducks already. Has excellent range and the athletic ability to counter today’s pace and space offenses. Likable player in space when he has a clear path to the football. Has upside in man coverage to matchup with tight ends. Zone drops reveal comfort with spacing and route anticipation. Has the flexibility and quickness needed to slip/undercut blocks. Pursuit-style player with hot motor. Brings a lot of energy to the field. Just a stupid athlete. Has blur burst when playing downhill or looking to get into the boundary on screens, jets, and flares. Nigh on impossible to tag in space for OL when he's at full throttle. Has great lateral agility and good flexibility, which lets him play through difficult and extends his tackle radius (good length also a contributing factor here). Can get skinny when shooting gaps and still finish the play. Flashes good instincts, especially when recognizing concepts previously used in-game, to get downhill and beat offensive linemen to spots. When playing downhill, is not afraid to recruit his hands/pads to initiate contact and win leverage in the correct gap. As a cover linebacker, has the athleticism and length to stick with most backs and tight ends. Shows some ability to adjust short zones to QB's eyes--likes to read the backfield at all times.'' 152: R5P8 S SHYHEIM CARTER ALABAMA ''When he hits you, you definitely feel it, and he can take on some power to offensive linemen with a punch, too. Feels comfortable in shorter zone coverage. Has the athletic ability and aggressiveness to work offensive players in man coverage. Did not show many athletic limitations when it came to sticking with different slot assignments. Slot/overhang defender who projects nicely into nickel and dime packages at the NFL level. Safety-type build in terms of height and thickness — does well to fight through stalk blocks on boundary runs to stretch plays out into the sideline/force them back into help. Stays low and activates hands when initiating/preparing for contact. Has requisite athleticism to tag slot receivers and backs in man coverage with good straight-line burst. Physical within the contact window, sometimes overly so. Very heady player in zone and match situations who regularly makes audible calls for defense and redirects his teammates in match coverage. Willing to peel off of assignments to make other defenders correct. Can play the ball through the hands with good recognition and instincts.'' 187: R6P9 S JORDAN FULLER OHIO STATE '' Looks to be a terrific natural athlete. Has dynamic range when confident in keys to drive into action and has impressive sideline to sideline mobility. His 2018 tape suggests Fuller is more confident making reads and being decisive with his challenges against both the pass and the run than he was in 2017. Has been used in a wide range of skills, asked with playing deep middle, man to man coverage and as a blitz defender -- Ohio State often rolled him down as rotating safety in C-3 looks in 2018. Best man to man reps come from off-man in the slot, has linear explosiveness to drive back into a position to challenge the football if routes are carried across the middle of the field.'' 239: R7P26 G MEKHI BECTON LOUISVILLE ''Was challenged by the new coaching staff and played at a much lighter weight during the 2019 season. It paid off as he looked lighter on his feet. Quick and efficient pass sets, plus hand timing was more fierce and fiery. Second level climbs were more athletic while his finishing abilities remained consistent as they have been since his earlier years of his tenure. In perimeter running concepts when asked to create a soft edge, he is outstanding at using his arm length and power to run defensive ends to the sideline -- creating running lanes on his inside hip. Makes defenders pay for wide alignments as a run blocker as a result. Many runs were successful when he was asked to perform in this role. In new offense (2019), he was often asked to cut block on the backside, but he has the necessary speed in order to seal off without having to do that. Lengthy and beefy arms that he utilizes to his advantage. Not only is able to show off his arm length, but he has overbearing power behind his reach as well. Makes it difficult for edge rushers to get inside of him despite being such a large target area. '' 247: R7P34 OT LIAM EICHENBERG NOTRE DAME ''Long, athletic build. Has some highly effective moments of using his length to control blocks in both the pass and run game. When he gets his punch located, he truly is capable of elongated and displacing pass rushers. Very rarely gets outreached. Handles speed off the edge quite well by framing rushers, uses his length and keeping pace with his quick feet. Experienced firing off the ball from a three-point stance and rolling his hips into contact. Illustrates good hip hinge and the ability to redirect himself. Has some really impressive moments of timing, placement and location of his punch. Does well to take advantage of angles. '' 253: R7P40 EDGE TIPA GALEAI UTAH STATE ''A juiced-up pass rusher with elite burst. Explosive, natural edge bender who can dip and flatten around the corner on a consistent basis. Has a lethal fastball as a dominant speed rusher. Takes advantage of speed mismatch off the edge with well-timed inside counter moves. High-effort player. Consistently chases down plays from the backside and has a knack for always being around the football. Offers a ton of stand-up value as a 3-4 outside linebacker. Adept and experienced at dropping into coverage. Instincts are off the charts. Has impressive blend of anticipation and quickness off the ball. Very productive 2018 season with 10.5 sacks, three forced fumbles, and two interceptions. Explosive and bendy rusher who will win on the outside track in the NFL. Has both plus snap anticipation and plus first step explosiveness, with a significant stride length that allows him to immediate challenge on the outside shoulder and force offensive tackles to open their hips. Gets his hips pointed in towards the QB quickly and has the lower body bend to take flat angles to the quarterback. Flashes a stab/swipe sequence to clear OT’s hands and soften his rush angle, and has good length to finish rushes at the quarterback. '' 255: R7P42 DL BENITO JONES MISSISSIPPI ''This is a big, big dude. Jones is every bit of the 320+ pounds he's listed at and probably a little extra on top of that -- but he doesn't move like it. Very graceful for such a big, dense frame. Really like the quickness he shows out of his stance and provides natural leverage and coil to explode his hands and reset the line of scrimmage. He's pretty dynamic laterally, too -- good disassociation between his hips and his shoulders when he's looking to get skinny or swim over the top of an interior block. He's got a very good feel for identifying interior blocks and feeling when to slide along the LOS to get in a position to play cutback. There's some modest room for a penetration role -- it won't ever be his premiere value but the quickness and balance he shows when he's playing off or through contract is enough to warrant consideration in even fronts. Think Deadrin Senat or Daylon Mack if you want a recent comparison to his build and athletic skillset.'' Analysis from thedraftnetwork.com much rather have Simmons, he’s in a different level. Simmons in the 1st, mims in the second if we are talking lb and wr. Thomas scares me. His lack of athleticism is alarming. He is suited for a power running offense. Not sure he hold up in the vertical passing game. Might be a guard at the next level. Becton the better choice and is flying up draft boards. This must be pretty old because becton is going top 15-20, and probably before Thomas who seems to be sliding.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2020 19:53:09 GMT -5
You are all welcome...and I'm still owed a future 3rd round pick..helpful because Aris will still be the GM in 2years 12: R1P12 OT JEDRICK WILLS JR.ALABAMA 19: R1P19 OT TRISTEN WIRFSIOWA 43: R2P11 C LLOYD CUSHENBERRYLSU 76: R3P12 OT LUCAS NIANGTCU They say Wirfs might be a guard, then fine, we have a guard...and two bookend tckles, and a long smart skilled center. 98: R3P34 WR DENZEL MIMS BAYLOR 114: R4P11 TE ADAM TRAUTMAN DAYTON 116: R4P13 LB AKEEM DAVIS-GAITHERAPPALACHIAN ST. THE linebacker that will get us to the superbowl 139: R4P36 CB LAMAR JACKSON NEBRASKA 150: R5P4 WR COLLIN JOHNSON TEXAS 157: R5P11 RB AJ DILLON BOSTON COLLEGE 161: R5P15 WR VAN JEFFERSON FLORIDA 183: R6P4 EDGE KENDALL COLEMAN SYRACUSE 194: R6P15 CB LAVERT HILL MICHIGAN 218: R7P4 LB MICHAEL DIVINITY JRLSU THE linebacker that will WIN us the superbowl 238: R7P24 DL DAVID MOA BOISE ST. 247: R7P33 RB REGGIE CORBIN ILLINOIS TRADES TRADE PARTNER: ATLANTA FALCONS SENT: ROUND: 4 PICK: 4 RECEIVED: ROUND: 4 PICK: 13 ROUND: 5 PICK: 11 TRADE PARTNER: OAKLAND RAIDERS SENT: ROUND: 1 PICK: 4 RECEIVED: ROUND: 1 PICK: 12 ROUND: 1 PICK: 19 TRADE PARTNER: CHICAGO BEARS SENT: ROUND: 2 PICK: 4 RECEIVED: ROUND: 2 PICK: 11 ROUND: 2 PICK: 18 TRADE PARTNER: TAMPA BAY BUCCANEERS SENT: ROUND: 2 PICK: 18 RECEIVED: ROUND: 3 PICK: 12 ROUND: 4 PICK: 11 ROUND: 4 PICK: 36 ROUND: 5 PICK: 15 ROUND: 6 PICK: 15 FUTURE ROUND 3 PICK
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Post by giantlegacy on Feb 12, 2020 0:52:01 GMT -5
ACTIONS CUT Name Position Janoris Jenkins CB Alec Ogletree LB Rhett Ellison TE Antoine Bethea S RESTRUCTURED Name Position TRANSITION TAGGED Name Position FRANCHISE TAGGED Name Position Markus Golden EDGE SIGNED Name Position Leonard Williams DL Byron Jones CB Shaquil Barrett EDGE Kyle Van Noy. LB
So I added another linebacker to my buying spree. Add vet chips to a very young defense and built the offense in the draft as it plays to the strength of both FA and the draft..and we have a very young but talented core to grow around Jones and Barkley.. Let's see how I did
5: R1P5 OT ANDREW THOMAS GEORGIA
To me I don't see what people are seeing,he is still a blue chip LT prospect.. Get him starting at RT day one ...
36: R2P4 WR JALEN REAGOR TCU
Modern NFL..speed speed and speed,dynamic playmakers threatening every inch of field from the backfield to 80 yards downfield..tbe edges He will run close to a sub 4.3...pair him up with Slayton in a 12..with Barkley... I dare any team to try to defend us like teams did last year(shallow zone)... (FWIW Cushenburry and Biazdes went right before this pick) 47: R2P15 OT LUCAS NIANG TCU
Future starting tackle. I want my starting O line in 2021 on the roster this year..
55: R2P23 LB AKEEM DAVIS-GAITHER APP. ST.
Same player as Simmons,better value here after addressing needs on offense that was BPA
70: R3P6 C CESAR RUIZ MICHIGAN
Not the guys I was targeting but he has a solid long term starter ceiling that possibly can get on the field day one in 2020 as a BPA
98: R3P34 S KYLE DUGGER LENOIR-RHYNE
Seen some buz about this guy,pulled the trigger on more secondary help.
107: R4P4 G JONAH JACKSON OHIO ST.
Proactive getting Zeitler's eventual replacement on the roster,some good depth in the meantime
150: R5P4 TE COLBY PARKINSON STANFORD
An exact clone of his teammate Kaden Smith from an NFL TE factory. Could make for interesting times if he also develops.like Smith and Engram spends time in street clothes again this year.
183: R6P4 LB SHAQUILLE QUARTERMAN MIAMI (FLA.)
Too good of a talent to be this far in the draft
218: R7P4 WR ANTONIO GIBSON MEMPHIS
He will go much earlier than this ... Think Deebo Samuels,Trayson Hill... Biggish body,probably will run a sub 4.4 so more dynamic speed in an all around weapon.. Excellent punt and KO returner.
238: R7P24 RB J.J. TAYLOR ARIZONA
Some.depth behind Barkley 247: R7P33 CB JAVELIN GUIDRY UTAH
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Post by TheAnalyst on Feb 12, 2020 11:20:05 GMT -5
4: R1P4 OT ANDREW THOMAS GEORGIA 36: R2P4 C TYLER BIADASZ WISCONSIN 98: R3P34 WR JALEN REAGOR TCU 107: R4P4 EDGE ALTON ROBINSON SYRACUSE 150: R5P4 LB SHAQUILLE QUARTERMAN MIAMI 183: R6P4 S GENO STONE IOWA 218: R7P4 RB LAMICAL PERINE FLORIDA 238: R7P24 CB ESSANG BASSEY WAKE FOREST 247: R7P33 TE MITCHELL WILCOX SOUTH FLORIDA
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2020 20:17:23 GMT -5
Jags traded their 2 first round picks...would take Thomas at 4 but added Mr. Becton just in case Solder plays like...Solder. Might be too afraid to lose the target if I traded this far back...Giants needs OL help more than anywhere else...obviously. 9: R1P9 OT ANDREW THOMAS GEORGIA 20: R1P20 OT MEKHI BECTON LOUISVILLE 36: R2P4 C LLOYD CUSHENBERRY LSU 98: R3P34 WR DENZEL MIMS BAYLOR 107: R4P4 LB TROY DYE OREGON 150: R5P4 WR TYLER JOHNSON MINNESOTA 183: R6P4 TE COLBY PARKINSON STANFORD 218: R7P4 EDGE KENDALL COLEMAN SYRACUSE 238: R7P24 LB MICHAEL DIVINITY JR. LSU 247: R7P33 RB REGGIE CORBIN ILLINOIS
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Post by giantlegacy on Feb 13, 2020 21:10:29 GMT -5
Jags traded their 2 first round picks...would take Thomas at 4 but added Mr. Becton just in case Solder plays like...Solder. Might be too afraid to lose the target if I traded this far back...Giants needs OL help more than anywhere else...obviously. 9: R1P9 OT ANDREW THOMAS GEORGIA 20: R1P20 OT MEKHI BECTON LOUISVILLE 36: R2P4 C LLOYD CUSHENBERRY LSU 98: R3P34 WR DENZEL MIMS BAYLOR 107: R4P4 LB TROY DYE OREGON 150: R5P4 WR TYLER JOHNSON MINNESOTA 183: R6P4 TE COLBY PARKINSON STANFORD 218: R7P4 EDGE KENDALL COLEMAN SYRACUSE 238: R7P24 LB MICHAEL DIVINITY JR. LSU 247: R7P33 RB REGGIE CORBIN ILLINOIS Let me ask you this Would you think about deleting Soldier if we did this and we get a new CBA in time for a June 1 cut?(what would the dead money vs savings be anyway if not) 3 rooks on the O line would be asking quite a bit,especially spread out rook/Hernandez/Rook/Zeitler/Rook. I honestly don't know if I would or not.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2020 7:10:29 GMT -5
Jags traded their 2 first round picks...would take Thomas at 4 but added Mr. Becton just in case Solder plays like...Solder. Might be too afraid to lose the target if I traded this far back...Giants needs OL help more than anywhere else...obviously. 9: R1P9 OT ANDREW THOMAS GEORGIA 20: R1P20 OT MEKHI BECTON LOUISVILLE 36: R2P4 C LLOYD CUSHENBERRY LSU 98: R3P34 WR DENZEL MIMS BAYLOR 107: R4P4 LB TROY DYE OREGON 150: R5P4 WR TYLER JOHNSON MINNESOTA 183: R6P4 TE COLBY PARKINSON STANFORD 218: R7P4 EDGE KENDALL COLEMAN SYRACUSE 238: R7P24 LB MICHAEL DIVINITY JR. LSU 247: R7P33 RB REGGIE CORBIN ILLINOIS Let me ask you this Would you think about deleting Soldier if we did this and we get a new CBA in time for a June 1 cut?(what would the dead money vs savings be anyway if not) 3 rooks on the O line would be asking quite a bit,especially spread out rook/Hernandez/Rook/Zeitler/Rook. I honestly don't know if I would or not. I believe, and I am not looking it up but they have it on ultimate GM all the time.. 13 million dead? Would I cut him? No...too much for a guy if he even sits can at least back up for a year...at that kind of dead money I would prefer to keep him in a just in case situation...like just in case we want Jones to fumble more often. Hell, let all three tackles fight it out in camp...I'm sensing the guy who sits will be Solder...possibly Becton being the most raw. Thomas might start RT, Solder the left...Becton awaits to learn some technique, and who knows....maybe he replaces Solder straight up, and Thomas stays right. Yeah, Solder we keep for 13 million in insurance. As far as 3 rookies, why not? If they are plug and play, let Columbo do his one more thing and solve this case of the crap OL. Here we have Thomas, IMHO arguably the best of the plug and play left tackles coming out. SEC seasoned, big enough, quick enough and enough technique to go from day 1...Becton, so wide all his mistakes are covered by his massive size...guy does a swim move on him, takes 11.4 seconds to go past his left shoulder. Cush is coming from a pro system...got beat on some interior blitzes in the championship game, but that is easily coached, especially a smart kid like him. He does so much well...and he is athletic and long. As a center...love that in him. These 3 are all IMHO, ready to rock and roll day 1, and Columbo will have them playing like a unit of 1.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2020 8:40:49 GMT -5
Raiders gave me their two 1's this draft...I accepted, and then held firm. The best part of this draft and how it turned up is, I get a receiver who is an incredible talent, and still got Becton in the first. I also completed the new Earth, Wind and Fire...may we play action pass into a superbowl. 12: R1P12 OT MEKHI BECTONLOUISVILLE There he is again. Slides into the right side as Solder sucks for 1 more year. 19: R1P19 WR JERRY JEUDYALABAMA At 19? Silly to think he will still be alive...BUT, we do have a deep draft in the WR and OT positions ...dream scenario as DG gets the biggest hog in the pen, and a WR caressed by God. S XAIVER MCKINNEYALABAMA Center or starting safety. 9 out of 10 times I am taking Cush, but McKinney is a potential pro bowl talent and a need. Sure, you don't want him single high, but he's not strictly a strong safety...can be a hybrid. 98: R3P34 OT LUCAS NIANGTCU Sit for a year, and slowly learn and replace Solder 107: R4P4 C NICK HARRISWASHINGTON Best zone blocking center coming out IMHO...sure, needs to get stronger...but that's why he's a center. His athletic ability can not be overlooked ... GREAT open field blocker at the second level..none better. 150: R5P4 LB TROY DYEOREGON 183: R6P4 RB AJ DILLONBOSTON COLLEGE Earth part of my 3 running back plan... 218: R7P4 EDGE KENDALL COLEMANSYRACUSE High motor, and a good situational edge defender. 238: R7P24 LB MICHAEL DIVINITY JR.LSU Upside is tremendous...good in coverage...good at getting to the QB...nice 3-4 OLB. 247: R7P33 RB REGGIE CORBINILLINOIS I'm calling him fire...cause this small guy will break ankles ... and wind has to be Barkley.
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Post by giantlegacy on Feb 14, 2020 11:45:30 GMT -5
Raiders gave me their two 1's this draft...I accepted, and then held firm. The best part of this draft and how it turned up is, I get a receiver who is an incredible talent, and still got Becton in the first. I also completed the new Earth, Wind and Fire...may we play action pass into a superbowl. 12: R1P12 OT MEKHI BECTONLOUISVILLE There he is again. Slides into the right side as Solder sucks for 1 more year. 19: R1P19 WR JERRY JEUDYALABAMA At 19? Silly to think he will still be alive...BUT, we do have a deep draft in the WR and OT positions ...dream scenario as DG gets the biggest hog in the pen, and a WR caressed by God. S XAIVER MCKINNEYALABAMA Center or starting safety. 9 out of 10 times I am taking Cush, but McKinney is a potential pro bowl talent and a need. Sure, you don't want him single high, but he's not strictly a strong safety...can be a hybrid. 98: R3P34 OT LUCAS NIANGTCU Sit for a year, and slowly learn and replace Solder 107: R4P4 C NICK HARRISWASHINGTON Best zone blocking center coming out IMHO...sure, needs to get stronger...but that's why he's a center. His athletic ability can not be overlooked ... GREAT open field blocker at the second level..none better. 150: R5P4 LB TROY DYEOREGON 183: R6P4 RB AJ DILLONBOSTON COLLEGE Earth part of my 3 running back plan... 218: R7P4 EDGE KENDALL COLEMANSYRACUSE High motor, and a good situational edge defender. 238: R7P24 LB MICHAEL DIVINITY JR.LSU Upside is tremendous...good in coverage...good at getting to the QB...nice 3-4 OLB. 247: R7P33 RB REGGIE CORBINILLINOIS I'm calling him fire...cause this small guy will break ankles ... and wind has to be Barkley. but.....but....but....... Simmons is a slam dunk at 4 and all the OTs are overrated Btw Your previous reply I tend to agree if we get 2 highly rated tackles...3 man competition for the 2 starting jobs....yes people.will want to fire getty (THAT STOOOOOOOPID IMGRATE)for having a guy sitting that's making 16 million this year,but we would have a nice back up(its not like we have never had a guy making that much on the bench ever) I think it was pat Kirwin that said this Get the 5 best guys on the line,figure out who the 5 best are and where they are best...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2020 20:58:29 GMT -5
Love the weird CBS big board...Josh Edwards...whole assortment of players that should be higher, and others still way too down, Cush a guard...hahaha, remember when becton was a guard too?...Okudah seems to drop on his mocks
12: R1P12 CB JEFF OKUDAH OHIO STATE 19: R1P19 OT MEKHI BECTON LOUISVILLE 44: R2P12 OT LUCAS NIANG TCU 75: R3P11 TE ADAM TRAUTMAN DAYTON 98: R3P34 G LLOYD CUSHENBERRY LSU 107: R4P4 LB JOSH UCHE MICHIGAN 150: R5P4 RB CLYDE EDWARDS-HELAIRE LSU 183: R6P4 DL LEKI FOTU UTAH 218: R7P4 DL JAMES LYNCH BAYLOR 238: R7P24 WR JUWAN JOHNSON OREGON 247: R7P33 RB A.J. DILLON BOSTON COLLEGE
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Post by Kase1 on Feb 15, 2020 7:01:14 GMT -5
Oh hes not my ideal selection at 4 AT ALL, but i was playing devils advocate and seeing how i would plan out the rest of the draft if we do take Simmons at 4. I think hes good, but i feel like we could get similar value with Troy Dye, Jordan Brooks, or Cam Brown. I dont know about u, but i cant land a solid edge prospect to save my life. Its either overdraft in the 1st or take shots in the dark later on.... Call me crazy but I dont love the day 1 starting potential of this year's edge guys Last year was the edge year...I'm all over going into free agency and overspending on one or two of the many deep pass rush guys in FA...we have a big cap number...not sure with DG's situation he does not spend that cash on the free agent depth...linebackers, edge, corners and the safety position. Offense all draft long...OL, WR and RB as deep as they get. If there was a year to spin back as much as we can in a draft, this is it. Barkley was the other year, at least from pick 2 If we do sit tight cause no partners to trade with, Andrew Thomas is the easy 4 pick... I bet my arse Thomas kicks back into top 5 pick after the combines...if he drills out in pass protection, he is again a top 3 positional pick. I'm expecting that. Funny that Andrew Thomas was the clear cut best OT in the draft all season long, then weeks after the season is over and before the combine starts hes now behind Wills and Becton....What changed!?!?
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Post by giantlegacy on Feb 15, 2020 7:07:37 GMT -5
Last year was the edge year...I'm all over going into free agency and overspending on one or two of the many deep pass rush guys in FA...we have a big cap number...not sure with DG's situation he does not spend that cash on the free agent depth...linebackers, edge, corners and the safety position. Offense all draft long...OL, WR and RB as deep as they get. If there was a year to spin back as much as we can in a draft, this is it. Barkley was the other year, at least from pick 2 If we do sit tight cause no partners to trade with, Andrew Thomas is the easy 4 pick... I bet my arse Thomas kicks back into top 5 pick after the combines...if he drills out in pass protection, he is again a top 3 positional pick. I'm expecting that. Funny that Andrew Thomas was the clear cut best OT in the draft all season long, then weeks after the season is over and before the combine starts hes now behind Wills and Becton....What changed!?!? Shiny new pretty girl syndrome Wills and Becton are the shiny new pretty girls Thomas might have aged slightly but is a unicorn personality wise that still looks hot when some effort is put into her..
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Post by Kase1 on Feb 15, 2020 7:15:33 GMT -5
: R1P4 OT MEKHI BECTON LOUISVILLE 36: R2P4 WR JALEN REAGOR TCU 98: R3P34 TE HARRISON BRYANT FLORIDA ATLANTIC 107: R4P4 LB JORDYN BROOKS TEXAS TECH 150: R5P4 C T.J. MCCOY LOUISVILLE 183: R6P4 RB ZACK MOSS UTAH 218: R7P4 S SHYHEIM CARTER ALABAMA 238: R7P24 S JULIAN BLACKMON UTAH 247: R7P33 WR JUWAN JOHNSON OREGON Man, seens like if i dont take an edge guy in the 1st im left with developmental players. Lets hope we get YannickHere's an article suggesting a landing spot of 19.5 sacks and a 26 year old being...the Giants thedraftnetwork.com/articles/shaq-barrett-free-agent-buccaneers-2020Is Barrett a legit edge worthy of the 20 plus million a year he is about to get?...or a one year stud? I still like Clowney...but the Giants have to get one of these edge free agents...not a single one past Chase Young wows me in the class. Outside of Young the only guys that really peaks my interest as a 3-4 pass rusher is K'lavon Chaisson or Josh Uche. Tipa Galea'i, Alton Robinson, Alex Highsmith are prospects who COULD turn the corner and become contributors, but have a long way to go. While 90% of this board LOVES Zack Baun, i dont see him as a great edge rusher in the NFL. ID LOVE to pair him in the middle with Connelly though
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Post by Kase1 on Feb 15, 2020 7:26:56 GMT -5
9: R1P9 OT ANDREW THOMAS GEORGIA ''You ask the prospect making machine to create an offensive tackle and they come out looking like Thomas. Thick frame with very little bad weight and long arms. Mobility stands out, especially his short area quickness. Springy footwork when challenged with wide, speed rushers. Does such a great job framing rushers in space and setting up road blocks up the arc. Has terrific length and he knows how to maximize it. Wonderful job of playing with extension and winning with first contact. Does well to place and fit his hands. Timing and location of his punch is precise. Delivers powerful punches that stun pads. Easily absorbs power and sets a sturdy anchor. Pocket width won’t be compromised in pass protection. Brings the fight in pass protection and has experience executing a variety of sets. Love how he rolls his hips into contact as a drive blocker. Outstanding power throughout his frame. Executes with good leverage, posture and body control. Has started every game across his first two seasons in Athens. Experienced executing pro concepts and techniques. What an absolute juggernaut Thomas is -- he'll beat the pants off of whomever is lined up across from him. He's successfully pushed around some of the best defenders in the SEC over his two years as a starter and he shined bright in 2018 at Left Tackle, tacking over for Isaiah Wynn. Thomas has powerful hands and an even more potent anchor, once he drops his hips and sets his base, it is game over. I don't think I saw him get collapsed once in pure one on one situations in any of the games I watched. He uses his hands effectively well to force extra steps from defenders and utilizes a powerful club to push the upfield in quick game. Massive and wide body frame. Possessing a true bruising downhill type of mindset, he’s at his best when allowed to overwhelm stationary or still targets. Is able to fire out of his stance and transition his movements into power. Heavy hands and punch enable him to latch onto down defenders in order to stall their process immediately. Has lots of many quick victories in that he quickly cancels out rush moves because of his brute strength, which forces his feet to go dead. When feeling threatened, he’s able to nail his feet into the ground as pillars to prevent ensuing pressure. Possessing a thick lower half, he uses it to his advantage by gathering momentum out of his stance to generate upward force in order pave running lanes on down blocks. Pre-snap, Thomas keep his eyes and head on a swivel to stay alert of late appearing targets that may signal edge pressure or blitzes of sorts. One of his best traits is being able to recognize tight techniques head up-to-inside of his shoulder that signify twists or stunts. Once seeing the defender crashing inside, he gives a hard push to their desired path and patiently awaits the impending looper from the opposite direction. He not only prepares himself for the action, but also the guard opposite of him.'' 41: R2P9 WR JALEN RAEGOR TCU While Isiah Simmons was out there, and it was SUPER tough to pass on him, I think we would be better off going with Raegor and ideally getting someone like Troy Dye in the 3rd or 4th. IMO Raegor and Dye is better than Simmons and a later round WR ''One of the most explosive athletes in all of college football, even dating back to his long jump record in high school. Incredibly smooth, quick and fast wide receiver. Well-balanced and aware of his movements. Natural route runner who is developing as a route “salesman.” Difficult to cover on vertical routes because of his straight-line speed and flexibility. Special ability with the ball in his hands, sifting through small creases with ease. Ruins the angles of pursuing defenders. Once he gets into space, dynamic plays are inevitable. Well put together and develop frame, ripped in the upper body. Super crafty and twitchy to create space for himself in tight quarters. Explosive and dynamic in terms of athletic ability and it leads to big plays on the field. Has impressive moments of body positioning at the catch point. Isn’t the biggest receiver but he has enough thickness to his frame to not be concerned with his size. Love his burst at the top of routes and there are some impressive moments of acceleration to and through the football on tape. Has adequate ball tracking skills and he generally makes good adjustments. Like his creativity post-catch to rip off yardage. Has illustrated the ability to make route adjustments when finding space in zone. Has showcased the ability to take aggressive angles in his release to beat press coverage. One of the most dangerous playmakers in all of college football. Explosive doesn’t begin to describe how lethal he is with the ball in his hands. Runs like every reception is a part of a backyard football game – makes a ton of people miss any way he can. Productive deep threat who can just blow by corners with elite vertical speed and acceleration. Has a wide array of effective double moves in his toolbox. Shows a ton of potential as a dynamic route runner with his foot quickness and sharpness against man coverage. Just a physical player in all facets of the game – not fazed against bigger cornerbacks and thrives against contact. Possesses elite balance and play strength… bounces off tacklers on a consistent basis.'' 73: R3P9 TE JARED PINKNEY VANDERBILT ''Big bodied receiver who has enough savvy to really abuse linebackers and safeties alike in coverage thanks to his size, release ability and hands over the middle. He's at his best in congested areas in the middle of the field -- does a nice job boxing out defenders and using his hands to cleanly catch the football. He's tasked with a lot of reps with his hand in the dirt, promising an accelerated transition to the pros, likable foundation as a pass protector to get square on rushers. Possesses the functional strength to hold his own from an in-line position. Balanced through contact and straight into defenders, able to pick up yards after the catch both with athleticism and physicality. Explosive into blocks in space when he’s able to get defenders in his frame. Shows flashes of becoming a very good in-line blocker with his play strength and energy.'' 98: R3P34 C DARRYL WILLIAMS MISSISSIPPI STATE ''Smart and tough player who knows how to survive in the trenches. Lot of dog in him late in plays and chases down opponents for pancakes and finishes; great grip strength and vestibular sense for blitzers and twisters. Looks for work and had the hip coil and lower-body flexibility to latch on late with hands and re-drop his anchor to prevent further penetration. Not necessarily a stonewall blocker but rarely allows pocket depth to be compromised. Stronger on combination blocks in the power game than on zone steps and on the hoof as a zone scheme blocker -- profiles best to man-blocking responsibilities at the next level. Coaches will love the competitiveness.'' 115: R4P9 LB TROY DYE OREGON ''Highly productive defensive playmaker across three seasons for the Ducks already. Has excellent range and the athletic ability to counter today’s pace and space offenses. Likable player in space when he has a clear path to the football. Has upside in man coverage to matchup with tight ends. Zone drops reveal comfort with spacing and route anticipation. Has the flexibility and quickness needed to slip/undercut blocks. Pursuit-style player with hot motor. Brings a lot of energy to the field. Just a stupid athlete. Has blur burst when playing downhill or looking to get into the boundary on screens, jets, and flares. Nigh on impossible to tag in space for OL when he's at full throttle. Has great lateral agility and good flexibility, which lets him play through difficult and extends his tackle radius (good length also a contributing factor here). Can get skinny when shooting gaps and still finish the play. Flashes good instincts, especially when recognizing concepts previously used in-game, to get downhill and beat offensive linemen to spots. When playing downhill, is not afraid to recruit his hands/pads to initiate contact and win leverage in the correct gap. As a cover linebacker, has the athleticism and length to stick with most backs and tight ends. Shows some ability to adjust short zones to QB's eyes--likes to read the backfield at all times.'' 152: R5P8 S SHYHEIM CARTER ALABAMA ''When he hits you, you definitely feel it, and he can take on some power to offensive linemen with a punch, too. Feels comfortable in shorter zone coverage. Has the athletic ability and aggressiveness to work offensive players in man coverage. Did not show many athletic limitations when it came to sticking with different slot assignments. Slot/overhang defender who projects nicely into nickel and dime packages at the NFL level. Safety-type build in terms of height and thickness — does well to fight through stalk blocks on boundary runs to stretch plays out into the sideline/force them back into help. Stays low and activates hands when initiating/preparing for contact. Has requisite athleticism to tag slot receivers and backs in man coverage with good straight-line burst. Physical within the contact window, sometimes overly so. Very heady player in zone and match situations who regularly makes audible calls for defense and redirects his teammates in match coverage. Willing to peel off of assignments to make other defenders correct. Can play the ball through the hands with good recognition and instincts.'' 187: R6P9 S JORDAN FULLER OHIO STATE '' Looks to be a terrific natural athlete. Has dynamic range when confident in keys to drive into action and has impressive sideline to sideline mobility. His 2018 tape suggests Fuller is more confident making reads and being decisive with his challenges against both the pass and the run than he was in 2017. Has been used in a wide range of skills, asked with playing deep middle, man to man coverage and as a blitz defender -- Ohio State often rolled him down as rotating safety in C-3 looks in 2018. Best man to man reps come from off-man in the slot, has linear explosiveness to drive back into a position to challenge the football if routes are carried across the middle of the field.'' 239: R7P26 G MEKHI BECTON LOUISVILLE ''Was challenged by the new coaching staff and played at a much lighter weight during the 2019 season. It paid off as he looked lighter on his feet. Quick and efficient pass sets, plus hand timing was more fierce and fiery. Second level climbs were more athletic while his finishing abilities remained consistent as they have been since his earlier years of his tenure. In perimeter running concepts when asked to create a soft edge, he is outstanding at using his arm length and power to run defensive ends to the sideline -- creating running lanes on his inside hip. Makes defenders pay for wide alignments as a run blocker as a result. Many runs were successful when he was asked to perform in this role. In new offense (2019), he was often asked to cut block on the backside, but he has the necessary speed in order to seal off without having to do that. Lengthy and beefy arms that he utilizes to his advantage. Not only is able to show off his arm length, but he has overbearing power behind his reach as well. Makes it difficult for edge rushers to get inside of him despite being such a large target area. '' 247: R7P34 OT LIAM EICHENBERG NOTRE DAME ''Long, athletic build. Has some highly effective moments of using his length to control blocks in both the pass and run game. When he gets his punch located, he truly is capable of elongated and displacing pass rushers. Very rarely gets outreached. Handles speed off the edge quite well by framing rushers, uses his length and keeping pace with his quick feet. Experienced firing off the ball from a three-point stance and rolling his hips into contact. Illustrates good hip hinge and the ability to redirect himself. Has some really impressive moments of timing, placement and location of his punch. Does well to take advantage of angles. '' 253: R7P40 EDGE TIPA GALEAI UTAH STATE ''A juiced-up pass rusher with elite burst. Explosive, natural edge bender who can dip and flatten around the corner on a consistent basis. Has a lethal fastball as a dominant speed rusher. Takes advantage of speed mismatch off the edge with well-timed inside counter moves. High-effort player. Consistently chases down plays from the backside and has a knack for always being around the football. Offers a ton of stand-up value as a 3-4 outside linebacker. Adept and experienced at dropping into coverage. Instincts are off the charts. Has impressive blend of anticipation and quickness off the ball. Very productive 2018 season with 10.5 sacks, three forced fumbles, and two interceptions. Explosive and bendy rusher who will win on the outside track in the NFL. Has both plus snap anticipation and plus first step explosiveness, with a significant stride length that allows him to immediate challenge on the outside shoulder and force offensive tackles to open their hips. Gets his hips pointed in towards the QB quickly and has the lower body bend to take flat angles to the quarterback. Flashes a stab/swipe sequence to clear OT’s hands and soften his rush angle, and has good length to finish rushes at the quarterback. '' 255: R7P42 DL BENITO JONES MISSISSIPPI ''This is a big, big dude. Jones is every bit of the 320+ pounds he's listed at and probably a little extra on top of that -- but he doesn't move like it. Very graceful for such a big, dense frame. Really like the quickness he shows out of his stance and provides natural leverage and coil to explode his hands and reset the line of scrimmage. He's pretty dynamic laterally, too -- good disassociation between his hips and his shoulders when he's looking to get skinny or swim over the top of an interior block. He's got a very good feel for identifying interior blocks and feeling when to slide along the LOS to get in a position to play cutback. There's some modest room for a penetration role -- it won't ever be his premiere value but the quickness and balance he shows when he's playing off or through contract is enough to warrant consideration in even fronts. Think Deadrin Senat or Daylon Mack if you want a recent comparison to his build and athletic skillset.'' Analysis from thedraftnetwork.com much rather have Simmons, he’s in a different level. Simmons in the 1st, mims in the second if we are talking lb and wr. Thomas scares me. His lack of athleticism is alarming. He is suited for a power running offense. Not sure he hold up in the vertical passing game. Might be a guard at the next level. Becton the better choice and is flying up draft boards. This must be pretty old because becton is going top 15-20, and probably before Thomas who seems to be sliding. It IS quote old, look at the date. October of 2019. If we take Simmons 1st and Mims 2nd, where are we getting our OL from?? Mims wont be worth a damn if Jones can stay upright. Thomas doesnt have a "lack of athleticism" if anything, his lateral movement is a little umm clunky, but he gets to his man at the 2nd level no problem. Is his athleticism a problem? No. Is his footwork a problem? More so than anything else, that seems to be his biggest flaw
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Post by Kase1 on Feb 15, 2020 7:28:53 GMT -5
You are all welcome...and I'm still owed a future 3rd round pick..helpful because Aris will still be the GM in 2years 12: R1P12 OT JEDRICK WILLS JR.ALABAMA 19: R1P19 OT TRISTEN WIRFSIOWA 43: R2P11 C LLOYD CUSHENBERRYLSU 76: R3P12 OT LUCAS NIANGTCU They say Wirfs might be a guard, then fine, we have a guard...and two bookend tckles, and a long smart skilled center. 98: R3P34 WR DENZEL MIMS BAYLOR 114: R4P11 TE ADAM TRAUTMAN DAYTON 116: R4P13 LB AKEEM DAVIS-GAITHERAPPALACHIAN ST. THE linebacker that will get us to the superbowl 139: R4P36 CB LAMAR JACKSON NEBRASKA 150: R5P4 WR COLLIN JOHNSON TEXAS 157: R5P11 RB AJ DILLON BOSTON COLLEGE 161: R5P15 WR VAN JEFFERSON FLORIDA 183: R6P4 EDGE KENDALL COLEMAN SYRACUSE 194: R6P15 CB LAVERT HILL MICHIGAN 218: R7P4 LB MICHAEL DIVINITY JRLSU THE linebacker that will WIN us the superbowl 238: R7P24 DL DAVID MOA BOISE ST. 247: R7P33 RB REGGIE CORBIN ILLINOIS TRADES TRADE PARTNER: ATLANTA FALCONS SENT: ROUND: 4 PICK: 4 RECEIVED: ROUND: 4 PICK: 13 ROUND: 5 PICK: 11 TRADE PARTNER: OAKLAND RAIDERS SENT: ROUND: 1 PICK: 4 RECEIVED: ROUND: 1 PICK: 12 ROUND: 1 PICK: 19 TRADE PARTNER: CHICAGO BEARS SENT: ROUND: 2 PICK: 4 RECEIVED: ROUND: 2 PICK: 11 ROUND: 2 PICK: 18 TRADE PARTNER: TAMPA BAY BUCCANEERS SENT: ROUND: 2 PICK: 18 RECEIVED: ROUND: 3 PICK: 12 ROUND: 4 PICK: 11 ROUND: 4 PICK: 36 ROUND: 5 PICK: 15 ROUND: 6 PICK: 15 FUTURE ROUND 3 PICK If those are your 1st 5 picks, id be THRILLED!!! HELL, at thaT point you could just take the rest of the draft off, LOL
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