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Post by Blue Hulk on Dec 10, 2019 10:23:32 GMT -5
I'd like to trade back into #4 spot with Miami in exchange for them giving up their 2nd and 3rd round picks. Get Dolphins #4 pick
2nd round pick 2020
3rd round pick 2020
If Chase Young is there, then throw this plan in the garbage and run to the podium, but if not, we need to stack pieces. 3 starters for one is a pretty good deal. My second scenario would be trading back to #7 with the Jags, but if Burrows is gone, I doubt they'd trade the farm for Tua but they might covet Chase Young. Get the Jags #7 pick2nd round pick 20202nd round pick 20214th round pick 20204th round pick 20217th round pick 2020This picks all balance out on the draft value chart www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp |
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Post by TCHOF on Dec 10, 2019 11:15:39 GMT -5
If we move back it has to be for an additional first round pick.
Miami has 3 first round picks this year. Add one of those to your first trade-back scenario and I'm on board.
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Post by Fletch842 on Dec 10, 2019 11:54:21 GMT -5
If we move back it has to be for an additional first round pick. Miami has 3 first round picks this year. Add one of those to your first trade-back scenario and I'm on board. I agree, definitely need at least another 1st to make it worth it. |
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Post by fifthavephil on Dec 10, 2019 13:54:52 GMT -5
IN Gee scenario , that would mean Giants would have the third pick. If, Giants have the second or first pick, CY is the pick. I would trade back,
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Post by giantlegacy on Dec 10, 2019 17:06:16 GMT -5
If we move back it has to be for an additional first round pick. Miami has 3 first round picks this year. Add one of those to your first trade-back scenario and I'm on board. If its stays as is (Giants at 2 and Miami at 3) it would be the same as the Chicago/49ers swap (the 2017 2nd and 3rd and the 2018 2nd) Honestly I would be OK with just both their 2nds to pull back 1 spot Miami would be looking for a QB probably So Think 3.Young Our 3 2nd round picks would be perfect for o line and maybe even a WR on a BPA method(like I do in my drafts Or 3.Thomas Our 2nd Weaver The other 2 round picks Humphrey/Cushinberry (C) and maybe WR |
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Post by TCHOF on Dec 10, 2019 17:10:13 GMT -5
If we move back it has to be for an additional first round pick. Miami has 3 first round picks this year. Add one of those to your first trade-back scenario and I'm on board. If its stays as is (Giants at 2 and Miami at 3) it would be the same as the Chicago/49ers swap (the 2017 2nd and 3rd and the 2018 2nd) Honestly I would be OK with just both their 2nds to pull back 1 spot Miami would be looking for a QB probably So Think 3.Young Our 3 2nd round picks would be perfect for o line and maybe even a WR on a BPA method(like I do in my drafts Or 3.Thomas Our 2nd Weaver The other 2 round picks Humphrey/Cushinberry (C) and maybe WR I guess it would depend on whether we moved back to 3 or to 4.
2 seconds sounds pretty sweet too ....
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Post by giantlegacy on Dec 10, 2019 17:13:17 GMT -5
If its stays as is (Giants at 2 and Miami at 3) it would be the same as the Chicago/49ers swap (the 2017 2nd and 3rd and the 2018 2nd) Honestly I would be OK with just both their 2nds to pull back 1 spot Miami would be looking for a QB probably So Think 3.Young Our 3 2nd round picks would be perfect for o line and maybe even a WR on a BPA method(like I do in my drafts Or 3.Thomas Our 2nd Weaver The other 2 round picks Humphrey/Cushinberry (C) and maybe WR I guess it would depend on whether we moved back to 3 or to 4.
2 seconds sounds pretty sweet too ....
I'm not getting greedy here Going back 1 spot and getting one of the unicorns plus 2 extra 2nds is a humungous haul Now if we end up at 1 and we want Young and Cincy is desperate for a qb..this is where we could cause damage Just the threat of someone jumping them for Burrow could get them to cough up a 2021 1st and this year's 2nd |
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Post by snyder55 on Dec 10, 2019 17:15:09 GMT -5
If we move back it has to be for an additional first round pick. Miami has 3 first round picks this year. Add one of those to your first trade-back scenario and I'm on board. I agree, definitely need at least another 1st to make it worth it. we had an extra 1st last year and what did it get us, we still suck... |
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Post by TCHOF on Dec 10, 2019 17:18:08 GMT -5
I agree, definitely need at least another 1st to make it worth it. we had an extra 1st last year and what did it get us, we still suck... So should we not ask for a one in a trade-back scenario? |
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Post by snyder55 on Dec 10, 2019 17:28:04 GMT -5
we had an extra 1st last year and what did it get us, we still suck... So should we not ask for a one in a trade-back scenario? I'm just being grouchy I guess because it seems nothing we try works out and I'm now getting concerned that this shit show team and coaching staff has ruined Barkley, he isn't the same back he was last year and he is supposed to be healthy... |
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Post by piddy283 on Dec 10, 2019 20:13:26 GMT -5
If we move back it has to be for an additional first round pick. Miami has 3 first round picks this year. Add one of those to your first trade-back scenario and I'm on board. How about another first in 2021? I've mentioned this a few times before, and I know what I'm about to say is a long term, fairly improbable plan, but if we trade back I think we need to require another first in 2021. Reason being, and this is simply for the sake of conversation, let's say Jones shows zero progression in 2020. He continues to be a complete liability with the ball, etc., and we decide he's not the long term answer. If we have an additional first in 2021, we can bundle it with whatever else is needed to trade up to draft Lawrence from Clemson.....if we don't already have the #1 pick, anyway. Lawrence looks to be a near can't miss prospect, and I think he'd be worth giving up the farm for. I said the same thing last year. If we traded back, I wanted another first in 2020 so we could trade up for Tua or another top QB prospect. Again, it's a bit improbable, but I think it's worth considering. |
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Post by TCHOF on Dec 11, 2019 6:36:55 GMT -5
How about this one:
If we got the #1 pick, would you trade back to 4 with Miami if you also got Miami’s other two first rounders (would give us 3 first rounders)? This would, of course, mean that we would probably not get Chase Young.
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Post by Fletch842 on Dec 11, 2019 7:18:31 GMT -5
we had an extra 1st last year and what did it get us, we still suck... So should we not ask for a one in a trade-back scenario? Didn't we pick up Dexter Lawrence with that extra pick, and while one player hasn't helped us win more games, he looks like an excellent player to me, the kind of guys you need in the trenches. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Dec 11, 2019 13:59:14 GMT -5
How about this one: If we got the #1 pick, would you trade back to 4 with Miami if you also got Miami’s other two first rounders (would give us 3 first rounders)? This would, of course, mean that we would probably not get Chase Young. Depending on the bidding war.... I could live with that but at the same time we also put ourselves in jeopardy of losing out on Thomas as well.....and then what? Position value/ over use of draft assets at one position (some would say Okuhdah but considering how many corners we face drafted the past 2 years and the likelihood we sign a top guy to replace Jenkins would make this a horrible pick) Reaching for the 2nd best O lineman(Wurfs is probably going back to school)and risk Flowers 2.0?Chaisson is the 2nd best edge rusher but at best he ends up barely top 10? Or Jeudy in a class so historically deep wound be bad because we could get Lamb or Ruggs lll with one of Miami's 1sts? Personally I dont think Miami trades both their 1sts because they have done the nuclear blow up like we have and need good players all over. |
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Post by TCHOF on Dec 11, 2019 14:58:53 GMT -5
How about this one: If we got the #1 pick, would you trade back to 4 with Miami if you also got Miami’s other two first rounders (would give us 3 first rounders)? This would, of course, mean that we would probably not get Chase Young. Depending on the bidding war.... I could live with that but at the same time we also put ourselves in jeopardy of losing out on Thomas as well.....and then what? Position value/ over use of draft assets at one position (some would say Okuhdah but considering how many corners we face drafted the past 2 years and the likelihood we sign a top guy to replace Jenkins would make this a horrible pick) Reaching for the 2nd best O lineman(Wurfs is probably going back to school)and risk Flowers 2.0?Chaisson is the 2nd best edge rusher but at best he ends up barely top 10? Or Jeudy in a class so historically deep wound be bad because we could get Lamb or Ruggs lll with one of Miami's 1sts? Personally I dont think Miami trades both their 1sts because they have done the nuclear blow up like we have and need good players all over. ... and also, Miami can most likely sit tight and draft Tua and wait for him to get healthy. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 14, 2019 22:50:46 GMT -5
I agree, definitely need at least another 1st to make it worth it. we had an extra 1st last year and what did it get us, we still suck... We got QB one of the best Rookies in the draft in Lawrence and if Baker keeps improving a more then solid corner, we have 2 wins because our skill guys couldn't get on the field and a our rookie QB turned the ball over way to much. The good news most of his turn overs were fumbles this can be fixed. |
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Post by Blue Hulk on Dec 17, 2019 13:55:57 GMT -5
How about this one: If we got the #1 pick, would you trade back to 4 with Miami if you also got Miami’s other two first rounders (would give us 3 first rounders)? This would, of course, mean that we would probably not get Chase Young. Yeah, we would have to do that trade. Drafting Chase Young with Burrows on the board with a bunch of desperate QB needy teams behind us.....That would be a monumental waste of draft capital. The problem with 6 number 1 picks in 2 years is trying to re-sign them all. I would rather get picks in different years than all 3 of Miami's first rounders. It will help us manage our cap better..... |
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Post by katcavage75 on Dec 17, 2019 15:30:15 GMT -5
In a trade back scenario I would be happy w/ two of these five 1st rounders per WalterFootball.com
Yetur Gross-Matos*, DE, Penn State
A.J. Epenesa*, DE, Iowa
And at OT
Jedrick Wills*, OT, Alabama
Austin Jackson*, OT, USC
Mekhi Becton*, OT, Louisville
I don't believe that just one player will have enough impact to make the Giants a 10 win playoff team in 2020.
But two of these would help immensely.
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Post by giantlegacy on Dec 18, 2019 0:58:28 GMT -5
How about this one: If we got the #1 pick, would you trade back to 4 with Miami if you also got Miami’s other two first rounders (would give us 3 first rounders)? This would, of course, mean that we would probably not get Chase Young. Yeah, we would have to do that trade. Drafting Chase Young with Burrows on the board with a bunch of desperate QB needy teams behind us.....That would be a monumental waste of draft capital. The problem with 6 number 1 picks in 2 years is trying to re-sign them all. I would rather get picks in different years than all 3 of Miami's first rounders. It will help us manage our cap better.....[/b] Yep Also would help with a more steady supply of depth and talent to replace players that could out price themselves for our cap as well |
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Post by giantlegacy on Dec 18, 2019 1:03:44 GMT -5
In a trade back scenario I would be happy w/ two of these five 1st rounders per WalterFootball.com Yetur Gross-Matos*, DE, Penn State A.J. Epenesa*, DE, Iowa And at OT Jedrick Wills*, OT, Alabama Austin Jackson*, OT, USC Mekhi Becton*, OT, Louisville I don't believe that just one player will have enough impact to make the Giants a 10 win playoff team in 2020. But two of these would help immensely. Uurgh The 2 DEs you selected would be horrible picks in that the kid from Pen state is a true 4/3 DE and a bad fit and Epensa is an even worse fit in that he is also overweight and has motor issues. Get Chaisson instead,2nd best edge rusher in the draft And the 2 OTs you picked out would be bad reaches with this hypothetical pick.. I'd get the C from Wisconsin there. And take one of the 2 (or others )Ts in the 2nd |
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Post by Fletch842 on Dec 18, 2019 7:20:15 GMT -5
In a trade back scenario I would be happy w/ two of these five 1st rounders per WalterFootball.com Yetur Gross-Matos*, DE, Penn State A.J. Epenesa*, DE, Iowa And at OT Jedrick Wills*, OT, Alabama Austin Jackson*, OT, USC Mekhi Becton*, OT, Louisville I don't believe that just one player will have enough impact to make the Giants a 10 win playoff team in 2020. But two of these would help immensely. Uurgh The 2 DEs you selected would be horrible picks in that the kid from Pen state is a true 4/3 DE and a bad fit and Epensa is an even worse fit in that he is also overweight and has motor issues. Get Chaisson instead,2nd best edge rusher in the draft And the 2 OTs you picked out would be bad reaches with this hypothetical pick.. I'd get the C from Wisconsin there. And take one of the 2 (or others )Ts in the 2nd I had ESPN on the other day, and they flashed Todd McShay's preliminary to 10 picks. He had that Wisconsin Center going before Thomas, who he had slipping to 6. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Dec 18, 2019 9:22:42 GMT -5
Uurgh The 2 DEs you selected would be horrible picks in that the kid from Pen state is a true 4/3 DE and a bad fit and Epensa is an even worse fit in that he is also overweight and has motor issues. Get Chaisson instead,2nd best edge rusher in the draft And the 2 OTs you picked out would be bad reaches with this hypothetical pick.. I'd get the C from Wisconsin there. And take one of the 2 (or others )Ts in the 2nd I had ESPN on the other day, and they flashed Todd McShay's preliminary to 10 picks. He had that Wisconsin Center going before Thomas, who he had slipping to 6. Yeah that is ridiculous as well He is good but not top 10 good. |
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Post by Fletch842 on Dec 18, 2019 12:53:20 GMT -5
I had ESPN on the other day, and they flashed Todd McShay's preliminary to 10 picks. He had that Wisconsin Center going before Thomas, who he had slipping to 6. Yeah that is ridiculous as well He is good but not top 10 good. I just looked it up, he didn't have the center, and Thomas dropped to 7: CIN - QB Joe Burrow LSU NYG - DE Chase Young OHIO ST WAS - WR Jerry Jeudy ALABAMA MIA - QB Tua Tagovailoa ALABAMA DET - CB Jeff Okudah OHIO ST ARI - WR CeeDee Lamb OKLAHOMA NYJ - OT Andrew Thomas GEORGIA JAX - OLB Isaiah Simmons CLEMSON CAR - DT Derrick Brown AUBURN LAC - QB Justin Herbert OREGON |
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