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Post by jaymas on Dec 13, 2020 16:32:08 GMT -5
You are obsessed with every single angle and moment to make you potentially right about this guy. Every thread you can, every other post. Just watch a game and root for the team. It's unbelievable. What if the Giants win out and make the playoffs while he plays well? What if they miss and he has a great year next year? What if he plays average, they make the playoffs, but he plays well in the playoffs? What if they miss the playoffs but he has a great year next year? What if he gets injured next year and they stink, but comes back the following year and plays great? What if he never wins enough with the Giants but wins with another team? And what if he flames out totally? All my years on a message board, this one, the old Giants one or the one some of us were a part of for Eli's first superbowl in in 07/08, I've never seen such an obsession with being right about a young player who's likable, by every definition. He's not like screaming at guys in the locker room like Ryan Leaf haha. What fan of a team is so obsessed with being right about a high draft pick that every 6th post is about how they shouldn't have won so they could have had Trevor Lawrence or just completely ignores the countless stories about the story of a QBs career never being decided in year two? What happened to being realistic, but still rooting for a guy? We're in the middle of a season where there's a shot to make the playoffs and the only thing you can ever talk about is every step Daniel Jones takes and why it's a problem. Sounds miserable to me. I mean, that's what people do on here. I don't think he or any fan wants to be right about him if they don't feel his a franchise QB, that's ****ing ridiculous. I haven't boughtt into Jones either, and I ahve my concerns, I don't want those to come to furition. I'd much prefer me being wrong, and I'm sure he does as well. That's quite a long winded wall of text to call someone out who doesn't feel optimistic about a QB of a football team he roots for expressing that after an ugly offenssive loss. . You're kind of missing my point, which is realistic, but rooting for. What is bought in? What makes you buy in...in year 2? Outside of Patrick Mahomes and Russell Wilson, and a young Tom Brady being clutch what year 2 Qb has done enough that you're "bought in." I'm not bought in, in that regard. No one should be. Also, wall of text? I thought there were nice paragraphs there. Can't please everyone, I guess.
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Post by vbgiantsfan on Dec 13, 2020 16:32:09 GMT -5
Can only give them so much credit for finding weaknesses in our team. Daniel Jones, O-line, and WRs is a pretty simple scouting report. Given the position of most drives, our defense was great with the exception of 1 series. Even the first TD, it was a Kyler Murray prayer that was almost thrown out of bounds. We had it covered. Nothing went the Giants way today. Shit happens Young team ..... Learn from it and kick ass the next 3 weeks Playoffs were basicly cake anyway The way we lost is a real downer. Our offense didn't look competent all game and Jones and the line regressed badly today. if the 49ers win, we are basically in the same place as last week.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Dec 13, 2020 16:33:31 GMT -5
Browns on Sunday night next. We need to have a Seattle like shocker to win. Then t he Ravens too...
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 13, 2020 16:33:41 GMT -5
Giants defense I know 26 points but the Cardinals started 5 drives on our side of the 50 and won the turnover battle 3-0 as analyst said if we got a couple of those TOs maybe it is a little closer How many trips to the red zone did they make Only 2 TDs..... They should have put. 40 plus burger on us... Absolutely they were the only unit of the three that stood tall the Cards had way to many plays on offense and started 5 drives on our side of the 50 4 of those possessions were on special teams one was on Jones. That brings me to Jones I don't know if he's the guy are not I was hoping at worst he is a Tannehill at best a Matt Ryan we will see how it goes but he needs to get healthy.
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Post by jaymas on Dec 13, 2020 16:34:54 GMT -5
You are obsessed with every single angle and moment to make you potentially right about this guy. Every thread you can, every other post. Just watch a game and root for the team. It's unbelievable. What if the Giants win out and make the playoffs while he plays well? What if they miss and he has a great year next year? What if he plays average, they make the playoffs, but he plays well in the playoffs? What if they miss the playoffs but he has a great year next year? What if he gets injured next year and they stink, but comes back the following year and plays great? What if he never wins enough with the Giants but wins with another team? And what if he flames out totally? All my years on a message board, this one, the old Giants one or the one some of us were a part of for Eli's first superbowl in in 07/08, I've never seen such an obsession with being right about a young player who's likable, by every definition. He's not like screaming at guys in the locker room like Ryan Leaf haha. What fan of a team is so obsessed with being right about a high draft pick that every 6th post is about how they shouldn't have won so they could have had Trevor Lawrence or just completely ignores the countless stories about the story of a QBs career never being decided in year two? What happened to being realistic, but still rooting for a guy? We're in the middle of a season where there's a shot to make the playoffs and the only thing you can ever talk about is every step Daniel Jones takes and why it's a problem. Sounds miserable to me. Dude, Jones sucks. Who cares how likable he is? Fans like wins. When we don't win, we look at the cause of the loss, and all too many times now it's Daniel Jones (and our O line). Again...realistic, but rooting for. And stop with the "who cares if he's likable?" I'm not talking about being friends with the guy...we literally had a thread dedicated to how great Logan Ryan sounds in interviews and how much of a leader he seems to be, it's a part of enjoying a team, having a team to root for.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 13, 2020 16:36:16 GMT -5
Yes we were bad but man the cards did their homework, they literally found every weakness on this team and exploited it in all phases Well we just traded a guy to them that was in every defensive meeting for half the year and saw what our offense does every day sure he dropped some nuggets.
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Post by jaymas on Dec 13, 2020 16:37:18 GMT -5
Shit happens Young team ..... Learn from it and kick ass the next 3 weeks Playoffs were basicly cake anyway The way we lost is a real downer. Our offense didn't look competent all game and Jones and the line regressed badly today. if the 49ers win, we are basically in the same place as last week. I don't think you can call one game regression. We go on a losing streak, then yes. Any given Sunday is a real thing. Cards outplayed the Gmen today, just like the Gmen outplayed the Hawks last week.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 13, 2020 16:37:47 GMT -5
Can only give them so much credit for finding weaknesses in our team. Daniel Jones, O-line, and WRs is a pretty simple scouting report. Given the position of most drives, our defense was great with the exception of 1 series. Even the first TD, it was a Kyler Murray prayer that was almost thrown out of bounds. We had it covered. Nothing went the Giants way today. Shit happens Young team ..... Learn from it and kick ass the next 3 weeks Playoffs were basicly cake anyway If these guys don't separate it can be a long few weeks Patrick Peterson isn't what he used to be they are OK on D but not great.
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Post by vbgiantsfan on Dec 13, 2020 16:37:55 GMT -5
Dude, Jones sucks. Who cares how likable he is? Fans like wins. When we don't win, we look at the cause of the loss, and all too many times now it's Daniel Jones (and our O line). Again...realistic, but rooting for. And stop with the "who cares if he's likable?" I'm not talking about being friends with the guy...we literally had a thread dedicated to how great Logan Ryan sounds in interviews and how much of a leader he seems to be, it's a part of enjoying a team, having a team to root for. We are all rooting for Daniel Jones. He just isn't producing. 8 TDs by week 13 is a joke. His number of turnovers is a joke. His play, with the exception of 2 games this season, a joke. I root for him over every player in the league, but he is just a joke and his tanking this team.
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Post by SG88 on Dec 13, 2020 16:38:25 GMT -5
Shit happens Young team ..... Learn from it and kick ass the next 3 weeks Playoffs were basicly cake anyway The way we lost is a real downer. Our offense didn't look competent all game and Jones and the line regressed badly today. if the 49ers win, we are basically in the same place as last week. The offense hasn't been competent pretty much this entire season. Playing the way we have been playing isn't a sustainable method of winning in today's game. Your offense has to show up, especially against teams that can score like Arizona. I think that the defense played quite well under the circumstances. We would have won this game going away with even average offense. This offense flat out stinks no matter how anyone wants to spin it.
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Post by vbgiantsfan on Dec 13, 2020 16:38:31 GMT -5
The way we lost is a real downer. Our offense didn't look competent all game and Jones and the line regressed badly today. if the 49ers win, we are basically in the same place as last week. I don't think you can call one game regression. We go on a losing streak, then yes. Any given Sunday is a real thing. Cards outplayed the Gmen today, just like the Gmen outplayed the Hawks last week. Yeah, but how we lost is the regression. We were just dominated.
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Post by allnygin on Dec 13, 2020 16:39:00 GMT -5
I mean, that's what people do on here. I don't think he or any fan wants to be right about him if they don't feel his a franchise QB, that's ****ing ridiculous. I haven't boughtt into Jones either, and I ahve my concerns, I don't want those to come to furition. I'd much prefer me being wrong, and I'm sure he does as well. That's quite a long winded wall of text to call someone out who doesn't feel optimistic about a QB of a football team he roots for expressing that after an ugly offenssive loss. . You're kind of missing my point, which is realistic, but rooting for. What is bought in? What makes you buy in...in year 2? Outside of Patrick Mahomes and Russell Wilson, and a young Tom Brady being clutch what year 2 Qb has done enough that you're "bought in." I'm not bought in, in that regard. No one should be. Also, wall of text? I thought there were nice paragraphs there. Can't please everyone, I guess. The paragraphs were nice, I was just saying, no reason to attack someone over their beliefs on a guy. If you want to debate it that's totally cool, but you basically just went out of your way to call someone out bc of a difference of opinion. That's just the vibe I got could be wrong, and I should've just stayed out of it, but yeah. As with Jones, I'll wait for next season to play out to have a hard opinion on him, but for right now, I certainly am not optimistic that's amplified bc of how bad this game was, and it's not all his fault I get that. I do need to see better play next season and I think with a proper offeason the giants can supply him with some talent to help in that department.
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Post by giantlegacy on Dec 13, 2020 16:40:00 GMT -5
I mean, that's what people do on here. I don't think he or any fan wants to be right about him if they don't feel his a franchise QB, that's ****ing ridiculous. I haven't boughtt into Jones either, and I ahve my concerns, I don't want those to come to furition. I'd much prefer me being wrong, and I'm sure he does as well. That's quite a long winded wall of text to call someone out who doesn't feel optimistic about a QB of a football team he roots for expressing that after an ugly offenssive loss. . You're kind of missing my point, which is realistic, but rooting for. What is bought in? What makes you buy in...in year 2? Outside of Patrick Mahomes and Russell Wilson, and a young Tom Brady being clutch what year 2 Qb has done enough that you're "bought in." I'm not bought in, in that regard. No one should be. Also, wall of text? I thought there were nice paragraphs there. Can't please everyone, I guess. Josh Allen Baker Mayfield Year 3 Tannyhill took nearly 8 years and having to get away from the incompetence of Miami to become legit...
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Post by jaymas on Dec 13, 2020 16:46:32 GMT -5
You're kind of missing my point, which is realistic, but rooting for. What is bought in? What makes you buy in...in year 2? Outside of Patrick Mahomes and Russell Wilson, and a young Tom Brady being clutch what year 2 Qb has done enough that you're "bought in." I'm not bought in, in that regard. No one should be. Also, wall of text? I thought there were nice paragraphs there. Can't please everyone, I guess. The paragraphs were nice, I was just saying, no reason to attack someone over their beliefs on a guy. If you want to debate it that's totally cool, but you basically just went out of your way to call someone out bc of a difference of opinion. That's just the vibe I got could be wrong, and I should've just stayed out of it, but yeah. As with Jones, I'll wait for next season to play out to have a hard opinion on him, but for right now, I certainly am not optimistic that's amplified bc of how bad this game was, and it's not all his fault I get that. I do need to see better play next season and I think with a proper offeason the giants can supply him with some talent to help in that department. Not an attack at all. I mean exactly what I said, it sounds miserable. An observation based on months of evidence. Most of what I asked were questions. Like most on here, I will converse deeply about any of our players, this team, Giants history etc. But when 90 percent of responses or posts within every conversation are some sort of attempt at being provocative about how Daniel Jones isn't the answer, I'm gonna check out a bit. It ignores the detail of football and why it's such a great sport.
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Post by jaymas on Dec 13, 2020 16:47:42 GMT -5
You're kind of missing my point, which is realistic, but rooting for. What is bought in? What makes you buy in...in year 2? Outside of Patrick Mahomes and Russell Wilson, and a young Tom Brady being clutch what year 2 Qb has done enough that you're "bought in." I'm not bought in, in that regard. No one should be. Also, wall of text? I thought there were nice paragraphs there. Can't please everyone, I guess. Josh Allen Baker Mayfield Year 3 Tannyhill took nearly 8 years and having to get away from the incompetence of Miami to become legit... Right, I would agree with that. At most year 2s you're just excited about a guy's potential. Mayfield was bad last year, not an indictment on his career.
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Post by GameTime on Dec 13, 2020 16:50:43 GMT -5
No energy from Jones today. ZERO
It was like he was on pain killers
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Post by Sarcasman on Dec 13, 2020 16:56:48 GMT -5
just a DJ homer that refuses to see it like it is. No ones surprised. Im just gonna call your bum ass out today. I decided Ok carl Unfortunately the mods won't allow me to respond tbe way I should be allowed to on here anymore but make no mistake you are indeed as worthless as I would say you are if I were allowed to defend myself You can respond how you wish without personally attacking one another. Attack positions, not people. FFS, it ain't like either one of you is holding any aces here, lol.
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Post by giantlegacy on Dec 13, 2020 16:58:46 GMT -5
No energy from Jones today. ZERO It was like he was on pain killers Probably was Should not have started hindsight being 20/20
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Post by thetruth on Dec 13, 2020 17:04:41 GMT -5
Ok carl Unfortunately the mods won't allow me to respond tbe way I should be allowed to on here anymore but make no mistake you are indeed as worthless as I would say you are if I were allowed to defend myself You can respond how you wish without personally attacking one another. Attack positions, not people. FFS, it ain't like either one of you is holding any aces here, lol. I dont mind the personal shots. I actually happen to find them substantially more thoughtful that his football positions which are quite generic. Question them and he gets sensitive. Rinse and repeat. Nothing is personal, its alllll good
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Post by Sarcasman on Dec 13, 2020 17:06:35 GMT -5
Following a poster to pat yourself in tbe back makes you look like a complete d bag Just saying Keep saying stupid things and keep getting called out. Simple Again, keep it on content and remember that cuts in both directions.
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Post by thetruth on Dec 13, 2020 17:08:05 GMT -5
Keep saying stupid things and keep getting called out. Simple Again, keep it on content and remember that cuts in both directions. Im calling out his football opinions. He never has a football response.
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Post by Sarcasman on Dec 13, 2020 17:09:01 GMT -5
Keep saying stupid things and keep getting called out. Simple You are not qualified to call out ,judge other posters,or follow them around You are not even qualified to pick the undigested kernels of corn out of my shit Rooting against players on this team for your ****ed up narrative makes you a joke of a fan Take a nap and shut the **** up carl I'm done being nice around here even though I get dinged to 66% on here defending myself If I get run i get run...... I will repeat. Keep it on post content, not on posters personally. As I said before no one here is holding any intellectual high ground with their armchair analysis. I'm surprised that folks need to constantly be reminded of that fact.
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Post by thetruth on Dec 13, 2020 17:10:22 GMT -5
You are not qualified to call out ,judge other posters,or follow them around You are not even qualified to pick the undigested kernels of corn out of my shit Rooting against players on this team for your ****ed up narrative makes you a joke of a fan Take a nap and shut the **** up carl I'm done being nice around here even though I get dinged to 66% on here defending myself If I get run i get run...... I will repeat. Keep it on post content, not on posters personally. As I said before no one here is holding any intellectual high ground with their armchair analysis. I'm surprised that folks need to constantly be reminded of that fact. It must be said that taking digestive enzymes will solve the kernels issue
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Post by GameTime on Dec 13, 2020 17:10:31 GMT -5
No energy from Jones today. ZERO It was like he was on pain killers Probably was Should not have started hindsight being 20/20 yeah maybe.... or maybe he was just off. he didnt play like he was hurt. bad game by him whatever the reason was
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Post by giantlegacy on Dec 13, 2020 17:14:40 GMT -5
Probably was Should not have started hindsight being 20/20 yeah maybe.... or maybe he was just off. he didnt play like he was hurt. bad game by him whatever the reason was He looked tentative ... At times indecisive in that he wanted to run but thought better. Should not have started
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Post by thetruth on Dec 13, 2020 17:17:18 GMT -5
yeah maybe.... or maybe he was just off. he didnt play like he was hurt. bad game by him whatever the reason was He looked tentative ... At times indecisive in that he wanted to run but thought better. Should not have started Agreed. Without his ability to run his woes in pocket awareness/footwork get amplified.
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Post by GameTime on Dec 13, 2020 17:17:39 GMT -5
yeah maybe.... or maybe he was just off. he didnt play like he was hurt. bad game by him whatever the reason was He looked tentative ... At times indecisive in that he wanted to run but thought better. Should not have started to me it looked liked no one was open or he missed the reads. He stunk bad
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Post by Kruunch on Dec 13, 2020 17:19:07 GMT -5
You are not qualified to call out ,judge other posters,or follow them around You are not even qualified to pick the undigested kernels of corn out of my shit Rooting against players on this team for your ****ed up narrative makes you a joke of a fan Take a nap and shut the **** up carl I'm done being nice around here even though I get dinged to 66% on here defending myself If I get run i get run...... I will repeat. Keep it on post content, not on posters personally. As I said before no one here is holding any intellectual high ground with their armchair analysis. I'm surprised that folks need to constantly be reminded of that fact. See what Daniel Jones does to us? God, I hate him..
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Post by giantlegacy on Dec 13, 2020 17:22:31 GMT -5
He looked tentative ... At times indecisive in that he wanted to run but thought better. Should not have started to me it looked liked no one was open or he missed the reads. He stunk bad Nobody was open..... The Cards defense also sat on all our short/intermediate routes we have been running as well,Slayton injured.... This is not good to have on film for the last 3 games with our passing attack as we are what we are WR wise...
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Post by Sarcasman on Dec 13, 2020 17:22:49 GMT -5
Let’s start with the one play that might make the case? lol, if you’re starting there you’re ending there as well. Your personal view on QB value aside, if you saw Murray as a difference in the results of this game, good for you. Your feelings are noted. No need to get upset over our differences of opinion in QB value. Folks can impute whatever feelings they want about how much credit to give a QB. Alright, you can lower your expectations to 'meet' Jones where he's at. Some fans want more. Heck, Dak Prescott has 9 TDs on the year. Jones has 8. I hope with weapons Jones can become Kirk Cousins. I do hope that. That's not what I said nor is that where my expectations as a fan are set. But I look at players in context because it's football, not baseball. If you are under the impression that simply swapping the QBs would have made any material difference to the outcome of this game, then yeah, we don't have much to discuss because I would find that assertion completely ludicrous. That said, I'm in no way shape or form happy with the performance the Giants have gotten from the QB position in most games this year. That's a separate issue. Unless I'm to pretend that other than the team that lost today getting no help from their QB, neither QB was the prime difference in this game. I just can't get with that simpleton football tee-vee talking head pablum. That's the kind of idiocy that splashes the "markus golden makes the Giants sorry" type of headline, sure it sells a few papers or gets a few clicks and sure some highly tepid thinkers and football PR people in the media will gobble that all up while nodding their heads and good for them. It's a form of bliss.
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