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Post by Kase1 on Dec 26, 2020 16:36:58 GMT -5
I'll start with 1 guy a few of us have been talking about
Charlie Kolar
6'6
245lbs
Iowa State
Pros (+): Kolar is a gangly mover who has a linear frame from top to bottom. Not possessing much tone/muscle mass on his body, but his plays much stronger than his frame indicates as a receiving threat. Utilized from nearly every platform in formations, he’s developed experience from the in-line, hip, and flexed out positions. His hands are as strong as they come and he is always adamant about using his hands to extend and trap the ball out of the air. A terrific traffic catcher, his best plays have come in the red zone and plus areas of the field. In those regions, Kolar creates severe mismatches due to his catch radius, frame, and comfort in traffic. Many of his career touchdowns have come in these areas and it’s an area that the Cyclone offense now targets him because of the benefits consistently shown throughout his career. Overall an average blocker, who isn’t afraid to stick his face in the trenches and do the dirty work even though his play strength to engage and stick in the running game must improve. Most common routes ran: Opposite hash overs, shallow crossers, red zone seam and quick slants from the slot when flexed out.
Cons (–): A lack of speed/twitch shows up when forced to defeat man-to-man coverage, which will always be a challenge for him to win cleanly. Knowing this, he’s developed a supreme understanding on how to use his frame to win on contested catches. Being the aggressor at the catch point is a winning attribute that he’s hung his hat on. He’s a catch-tackle type of receiving option where he won’t consistently give you much after the catch, but he absorbs contact well prior to that point. As a route runner, he struggles to avoid collisions in routes and he’s as a result, he’s inconsistent with staying on route paths afterwards
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Post by jaxnygmen on Dec 27, 2020 18:55:41 GMT -5
Although we will not get him. Kyle Pitts, Florida Gators. He is big, strong, physical, gets separation, and fast. He can also block which is what we need.
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Post by TEM on Dec 27, 2020 19:10:21 GMT -5
I do not think a TE is a priority , We need WRerrrrrs, A MLB, A CB , an Edge rusher perhaps a RT if Solder retires or opts out. We have no draft pick room for a TE with 6 draft picks, We need a draft like we had in 2005 this year. Limited picks with optimal hits.
2005 draft
Cory Webster 2nd round pick 43
Justin Tuck 3nd round pick 74
Brandon Jacobs round 4 pick 110
Erick More 6th round pick 186
This is the kind of hits we need from this Draft. We do not have a pocket full of picks this year.
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Post by jmike on Dec 30, 2020 10:09:49 GMT -5
Koler is a player I like for the Giants. Pitts, Friermuth, & Long are a few others.
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Post by TCHOF on Dec 30, 2020 10:17:10 GMT -5
Koler is a player I like for the Giants. Pitts, Friermuth, & Long are a few others. Love Baby Gronk |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2020 10:55:13 GMT -5
Hunter Long from Boston College.
Got to watch a few Eagle games this year, and he's impressive, great hands and tough...IMHO, he will be a riser on the draft boards, and a day 2 pick.
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Post by giantlegacy on Dec 30, 2020 11:05:00 GMT -5
Hunter Long from Boston College. Got to watch a few Eagle games this year, and he's impressive, great hands and tough...IMHO, he will be a riser on the draft boards, and a day 2 pick. Thank you for this because in my mocks I have seen his name near BPA a few times but didn't know much about him |
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Post by Kase1 on Dec 30, 2020 16:53:07 GMT -5
I do not think a TE is a priority , We need WRerrrrrs, A MLB, A CB , an Edge rusher perhaps a RT if Solder retires or opts out. We have no draft pick room for a TE with 6 draft picks, We need a draft like we had in 2005 this year. Limited picks with optimal hits. 2005 draft Cory Webster 2nd round pick 43 Justin Tuck 3nd round pick 74 Brandon Jacobs round 4 pick 110 Erick More 6th round pick 186 This is the kind of hits we need from this Draft. We do not have a pocket full of picks this year. TE is TOTALLY a luxury especially with our teams current state. I was just wondering if we trade Engram while his value is high, and get an extra 3rd, even if we DONT trade him, a nice safe, sure handed option for DJ would be great for his confidence building Personally our biggest needs are WR, CB, and a Pass Rusher, in no order. But I wouldn't be upset with a TE, RT, or ILB somewhere in the draft |
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Post by TEM on Dec 30, 2020 17:03:32 GMT -5
I do not think a TE is a priority , We need WRerrrrrs, A MLB, A CB , an Edge rusher perhaps a RT if Solder retires or opts out. We have no draft pick room for a TE with 6 draft picks, We need a draft like we had in 2005 this year. Limited picks with optimal hits. 2005 draft Cory Webster 2nd round pick 43 Justin Tuck 3nd round pick 74 Brandon Jacobs round 4 pick 110 Erick More 6th round pick 186 This is the kind of hits we need from this Draft. We do not have a pocket full of picks this year. TE is TOTALLY a luxury especially with our teams current state. I was just wondering if we trade Engram while his value is high, and get an extra 3rd, even if we DONT trade him, a nice safe, sure handed option for DJ would be great for his confidence building Personally our biggest needs are WR, CB, and a Pass Rusher, in no order. But I wouldn't be upset with a TE, RT, or ILB somewhere in the draft We have him on a 5th year option next year Whether some believe it or not. He is in top 10 in many of the statistical categories . The chances are getting a 3rd round pick for him will not replace his production. |
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Post by Kase1 on Dec 30, 2020 17:34:22 GMT -5
TE is TOTALLY a luxury especially with our teams current state. I was just wondering if we trade Engram while his value is high, and get an extra 3rd, even if we DONT trade him, a nice safe, sure handed option for DJ would be great for his confidence building Personally our biggest needs are WR, CB, and a Pass Rusher, in no order. But I wouldn't be upset with a TE, RT, or ILB somewhere in the draft We have him on a 5th year option next year Whether some believe it or not. He is in top 10 in many of the statistical categories . The chances are getting a 3rd round pick for him will not replace his production. I dont mean trade Engram for a 3rd and use that specific pick for a TE, but it would give more options Id take a 3rd round pass rusher, cb, or wr for Engram. Dude is a luxury for us right now, with his pro bowl year we should trade high. His talents could be better utilized elsewhere, on a more complete team. I wont complain if we keep him for his option year, but i HIGHLY doubt he will be back for a new contract |
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Post by TEM on Dec 30, 2020 18:18:56 GMT -5
We have him on a 5th year option next year Whether some believe it or not. He is in top 10 in many of the statistical categories . The chances are getting a 3rd round pick for him will not replace his production. I dont mean trade Engram for a 3rd and use that specific pick for a TE, but it would give more options Id take a 3rd round pass rusher, cb, or wr for Engram. Dude is a luxury for us right now, with his pro bowl year we should trade high. His talents could be better utilized elsewhere, on a more complete team. I wont complain if we keep him for his option year, but i HIGHLY doubt he will be back for a new contract If he can stop thinking and just play. He could be great. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2021 6:37:22 GMT -5
www.hudl.com/video/3/7674471/5c2ec604e97c0d0778162886Wow, Michael Mayer as a high school junior...one of the top recruits coming out that year. Sure, a freshman and no chance for any team for two more years...but watch the second part of this video playing linebacker. That's probably where the baby Gronk comes in...he hits like a brick and loves collisions. 
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Post by nobait4me on Jan 3, 2021 15:36:02 GMT -5
I do not think a TE is a priority , We need WRerrrrrs, A MLB, A CB , an Edge rusher perhaps a RT if Solder retires or opts out. We have no draft pick room for a TE with 6 draft picks, We need a draft like we had in 2005 this year. Limited picks with optimal hits. 2005 draft Cory Webster 2nd round pick 43 Justin Tuck 3nd round pick 74 Brandon Jacobs round 4 pick 110 Erick More 6th round pick 186 This is the kind of hits we need from this Draft. We do not have a pocket full of picks this year. Have you seen Engram play TE, it is an absolutely priority. |
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Post by nobait4me on Jan 3, 2021 15:38:41 GMT -5
I do not think a TE is a priority , We need WRerrrrrs, A MLB, A CB , an Edge rusher perhaps a RT if Solder retires or opts out. We have no draft pick room for a TE with 6 draft picks, We need a draft like we had in 2005 this year. Limited picks with optimal hits. 2005 draft Cory Webster 2nd round pick 43 Justin Tuck 3nd round pick 74 Brandon Jacobs round 4 pick 110 Erick More 6th round pick 186 This is the kind of hits we need from this Draft. We do not have a pocket full of picks this year. TE is TOTALLY a luxury especially with our teams current state. I was just wondering if we trade Engram while his value is high, and get an extra 3rd, even if we DONT trade him, a nice safe, sure handed option for DJ would be great for his confidence building Personally our biggest needs are WR, CB, and a Pass Rusher, in no order. But I wouldn't be upset with a TE, RT, or ILB somewhere in the draft you are the only person on the planet who refers to Evan Engram as sure handed |
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Post by Kase1 on Jan 3, 2021 18:42:52 GMT -5
TE is TOTALLY a luxury especially with our teams current state. I was just wondering if we trade Engram while his value is high, and get an extra 3rd, even if we DONT trade him, a nice safe, sure handed option for DJ would be great for his confidence building Personally our biggest needs are WR, CB, and a Pass Rusher, in no order. But I wouldn't be upset with a TE, RT, or ILB somewhere in the draft you are the only person on the planet who refers to Evan Engram as sure handed Dude, I NEVER referred to Engram as "sure handed"....EVER, thats his biggest weakness |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2021 13:19:23 GMT -5
you are the only person on the planet who refers to Evan Engram as sure handed Dude, I NEVER referred to Engram as "sure handed"....EVER, thats his biggest weakness That, and the fact he was always injured before this year.... |
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Post by piddy283 on Jan 7, 2021 7:25:09 GMT -5
Although we will not get him. Kyle Pitts, Florida Gators. He is big, strong, physical, gets separation, and fast. He can also block which is what we need. Why wouldn't we get him? I figure he'd be there at 11? I don't necessarily want a TE at 11, but if the kid is an absolute stud, who knows? |
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Post by IrishMike on Jan 7, 2021 8:35:32 GMT -5
If Friermuth is there for our second pick I would do a back flip for him. He is an absolute beast blocking. The nick name "Baby Gronk" puts a lot of pressure on him and is a bit too early but this kid could be a great player.
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Post by TCHOF on Jan 7, 2021 10:09:45 GMT -5
Although we will not get him. Kyle Pitts, Florida Gators. He is big, strong, physical, gets separation, and fast. He can also block which is what we need. I think that you might be a tad high on his blocking skills |
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 7, 2021 11:22:56 GMT -5
If Friermuth is there for our second pick I would do a back flip for him. He is an absolute beast blocking. The nick name "Baby Gronk" puts a lot of pressure on him and is a bit too early but this kid could be a great player. You guys also have a baby gronk Did gronk have multiple births tbe past few years But yeah this is my guy Then Kolar |
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 7, 2021 11:27:21 GMT -5
A lot of people are seemingly already linking us to Pitts
At 11?
I mean Shockey was taken at 13 ...
I guess this year anyone that can catch a pass will be linked to us
I can possibly see a good scenario where we take Pitts at 11 and Olave (if he doesn't shoot up draft boards )in the 2nd ....
We have our pseudo big bodied slot wr than can be decent blocking in limited roles and our outside playmaker ....(works if we trade Engram for a mid round pick )
Personally id rather have a base 12 with 2 guys that can block and be good in the passing game (Smith was so underused it was sad )
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Post by jimmieray on Jan 7, 2021 11:30:31 GMT -5
Although we will not get him. Kyle Pitts, Florida Gators. He is big, strong, physical, gets separation, and fast. He can also block which is what we need. I think that you might be a tad high on his blocking skills I've always assumed that most college TEs need to be coached up quite bit in blocking schemes, and college games themselves do not give a great impression on what potential each player might have for transitioning to the NFL. Other than body shape and size, what other ways or showcases are there for this type of evaluation? |
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Post by jimmieray on Jan 7, 2021 11:38:21 GMT -5
A lot of people are seemingly already linking us to Pitts At 11? I mean Shockey was taken at 13 ... I guess this year anyone that can catch a pass will be linked to us I can possibly see a good scenario where we take Pitts at 11 and Olave (if he doesn't shoot up draft boards )in the 2nd .... We have our pseudo big bodied slot wr than can be decent blocking in limited roles and our outside playmaker ....(works if we trade Engram for a mid round pick ) Personally id rather have a base 12 with 2 guys that can block and be good in the passing game (Smith was so underused it was sad ) Some that still support Egram have been posting the stats of his peers, big name TEs who are putting similar yards, as a reason to retain him for another contract. All those stats tell me is, a TE does not need to be a stat padder for a successful team with better receiving options. I'm lost taking yet another TE in the first round, with those other readily available receivers just sitting there to correct the real issue. |
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Post by robl on Jan 11, 2021 11:59:58 GMT -5
A lot of people are seemingly already linking us to Pitts At 11? I mean Shockey was taken at 13 ... I guess this year anyone that can catch a pass will be linked to us I can possibly see a good scenario where we take Pitts at 11 and Olave (if he doesn't shoot up draft boards )in the 2nd .... We have our pseudo big bodied slot wr than can be decent blocking in limited roles and our outside playmaker ....(works if we trade Engram for a mid round pick ) Personally id rather have a base 12 with 2 guys that can block and be good in the passing game (Smith was so underused it was sad ) Some that still support Egram have been posting the stats of his peers, big name TEs who are putting similar yards, as a reason to retain him for another contract. All those stats tell me is, a TE does not need to be a stat padder for a successful team with better receiving options. I'm lost taking yet another TE in the first round, with those other readily available receivers just sitting there to correct the real issue. Yes but Pitts is the Anti-Engram: Zero drops this year and makes uncatchable catches. |
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Post by Kase1 on Jan 11, 2021 12:11:39 GMT -5
A lot of people are seemingly already linking us to Pitts At 11? I mean Shockey was taken at 13 ... I guess this year anyone that can catch a pass will be linked to us I can possibly see a good scenario where we take Pitts at 11 and Olave (if he doesn't shoot up draft boards )in the 2nd .... We have our pseudo big bodied slot wr than can be decent blocking in limited roles and our outside playmaker ....(works if we trade Engram for a mid round pick ) Personally id rather have a base 12 with 2 guys that can block and be good in the passing game (Smith was so underused it was sad ) I wouldnt be too upset with this, not my ideal first 2 rounds at all, but I could dig it. It all depends on what is going on at CB, do we think Love is the answer? Did we make a move in free agency? Did one of the top guys have a failed drug test come out as positive? Whatever the case, we need to address it and after addressing it, it would give us freedom to take someone like Pitts and not regret it. |
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Post by jmike on Jan 11, 2021 12:12:44 GMT -5
Some that still support Egram have been posting the stats of his peers, big name TEs who are putting similar yards, as a reason to retain him for another contract. All those stats tell me is, a TE does not need to be a stat padder for a successful team with better receiving options. I'm lost taking yet another TE in the first round, with those other readily available receivers just sitting there to correct the real issue. Yes but Pitts is the Anti-Engram: Zero drops this year and makes uncatchable catches. These are the types of absurd statements that frustrate me come draft time. Is it necessary to always come up with the most ridiculous possible phrasing to describe something. I mean this sentence proves itself false. Friend. If it is uncatchable, he didn't catch it. If he caught it, it wasn't uncatchable. |
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Post by Kase1 on Jan 11, 2021 12:17:36 GMT -5
JEEZ, I just watched some videos of this kid and WOW
OK, maybe I AM ok with him at 11.... If we have a plan to address CB and WR
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Post by jimmieray on Jan 11, 2021 12:23:27 GMT -5
These are the types of absurd statements that frustrate me come draft time. Is it necessary to always come up with the most ridiculous possible phrasing to describe something. I mean this sentence proves itself false. Friend. If it is uncatchable, he didn't catch it. If he caught it, it wasn't uncatchable. They're saying Kolar has very strong hands, is very good at contested catches, and would be a dependable option in the Red Zone. If he's there in the later rounds, possibly the same round pick we could get for Engram, that's a clean swap that I want for retaining the earlier round picks to fill our needs for receivers. I'm not looking for some mythological beast that can only do so much at this position, and possibly be another disappointment for the valuable draft pick. |
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Post by jmike on Jan 11, 2021 12:45:55 GMT -5
These are the types of absurd statements that frustrate me come draft time. Is it necessary to always come up with the most ridiculous possible phrasing to describe something. I mean this sentence proves itself false. Friend. If it is uncatchable, he didn't catch it. If he caught it, it wasn't uncatchable. They're saying Kolar has very strong hands, is very good at contested catches, and would be a dependable option in the Red Zone. If he's there in the later rounds, possibly the same round pick we could get for Engram, that's a clean swap that I want for retaining the earlier round picks to fill our needs for receivers. I'm not looking for some mythological beast that can only do so much at this position, and possibly be another disappointment for the valuable draft pick. I may be in the minority, but I wouldn't just cut Engram right now. He's on his 5th year option and still fairly cheap. He might not be the great player that we all would want from a high pick, but he isn't a terrible player. They just need to stop relying on him like he is a great player. Kolar would be a player I'd like the Giants to pick up, based on what I have heard of him he seems like he would be a solid NFL TE. |
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Post by Kruunch on Jan 11, 2021 12:49:10 GMT -5
They're saying Kolar has very strong hands, is very good at contested catches, and would be a dependable option in the Red Zone. If he's there in the later rounds, possibly the same round pick we could get for Engram, that's a clean swap that I want for retaining the earlier round picks to fill our needs for receivers. I'm not looking for some mythological beast that can only do so much at this position, and possibly be another disappointment for the valuable draft pick. I may be in the minority, but I wouldn't just cut Engram right now. He's on his 5th year option and still fairly cheap. He might not be the great player that we all would want from a high pick, but he isn't a terrible player. They just need to stop relying on him like he is a great player. Kolar would be a player I'd like the Giants to pick up, based on what I have heard of him he seems like he would be a solid NFL TE. You aren’t in the minority. Releasing Engram makes absolutely no sense, if they do so they clearly caved in to the fan base. Which makes them idiots if they do so. Let him ride out his last year, then make a decision. |
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