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Post by jimmieray on Jan 11, 2021 12:56:26 GMT -5
They're saying Kolar has very strong hands, is very good at contested catches, and would be a dependable option in the Red Zone. If he's there in the later rounds, possibly the same round pick we could get for Engram, that's a clean swap that I want for retaining the earlier round picks to fill our needs for receivers. I'm not looking for some mythological beast that can only do so much at this position, and possibly be another disappointment for the valuable draft pick. I may be in the minority, but I wouldn't just cut Engram right now. He's on his 5th year option and still fairly cheap. He might not be the great player that we all would want from a high pick, but he isn't a terrible player. They just need to stop relying on him like he is a great player. Kolar would be a player I'd like the Giants to pick up, based on what I have heard of him he seems like he would be a solid NFL TE. I'm looking at the possible chance of getting something for Engram, while he's still appealing to teams with that cheap option and Pro Bowl nod. He's not going to suddenly be clutch in this environment for whatever reason, he's gotten worse in hurting our team's chances in each game - get a mid rounds guy with strong hands and be done with this nonsense.
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Post by jmike on Jan 11, 2021 12:57:30 GMT -5
I may be in the minority, but I wouldn't just cut Engram right now. He's on his 5th year option and still fairly cheap. He might not be the great player that we all would want from a high pick, but he isn't a terrible player. They just need to stop relying on him like he is a great player. Kolar would be a player I'd like the Giants to pick up, based on what I have heard of him he seems like he would be a solid NFL TE. You aren’t in the minority. Releasing Engram makes absolutely no sense, if they do so they clearly caved in to the fan base. Which makes them idiots if they do so. Let him ride out his last year, then make a decision. I'm so used to everyone disagreeing with me, I just figured I would be. Seems most of what I hear is people saying get rid of him. I don't particularly like him as a player, but I just don't think he is so bad that he must be released.
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Post by Kruunch on Jan 11, 2021 13:02:39 GMT -5
You aren’t in the minority. Releasing Engram makes absolutely no sense, if they do so they clearly caved in to the fan base. Which makes them idiots if they do so. Let him ride out his last year, then make a decision. I'm so used to everyone disagreeing with me, I just figured I would be. Seems most of what I hear is people saying get rid of him. I don't particularly like him as a player, but I just don't think he is so bad that he must be released. I read he’s the reason for Covid and could possibly be linked to the crucifixion of Jesus Christ. He clearly has a confidence issue with his drops. But, releasing him will not fix it.
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Post by jimmieray on Jan 11, 2021 13:04:49 GMT -5
You aren’t in the minority. Releasing Engram makes absolutely no sense, if they do so they clearly caved in to the fan base. Which makes them idiots if they do so. Let him ride out his last year, then make a decision. I'm so used to everyone disagreeing with me, I just figured I would be. Seems most of what I hear is people saying get rid of him. I don't particularly like him as a player, but I just don't think he is so bad that he must be released. Not sure why he's still not tradable. I've heard everything from getting a 6th rounder to a 2nd rounder for him. So a 4th rounder is possible, to me. Most of the college TEs being mentioned are projected 3rd to 5th rounders. Start over, I could care less if he becomes a true Pro Bowler somewhere else. He is a severe liability here.
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Post by Kase1 on Jan 11, 2021 13:04:54 GMT -5
I may be in the minority, but I wouldn't just cut Engram right now. He's on his 5th year option and still fairly cheap. He might not be the great player that we all would want from a high pick, but he isn't a terrible player. They just need to stop relying on him like he is a great player. Kolar would be a player I'd like the Giants to pick up, based on what I have heard of him he seems like he would be a solid NFL TE. I'm looking at the possible chance of getting something for Engram, while he's still appealing to teams with that cheap option and Pro Bowl nod. He's not going to suddenly be clutch in this environment for whatever reason, he's gotten worse in hurting our team's chances in each game - get a mid rounds guy with strong hands and be done with this nonsense. Sounds like Kolar is your guy as well
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Post by Kase1 on Jan 11, 2021 13:08:16 GMT -5
You aren’t in the minority. Releasing Engram makes absolutely no sense, if they do so they clearly caved in to the fan base. Which makes them idiots if they do so. Let him ride out his last year, then make a decision. I'm so used to everyone disagreeing with me, I just figured I would be. Seems most of what I hear is people saying get rid of him. I don't particularly like him as a player, but I just don't think he is so bad that he must be released. Releasing him is simply a poor decision. We would get nothing in return for a pro bowl TE who would be on a 5th year option for cheap. If anything we should trade him for a 2-4th round draft pick. He might just need a change of scenery and it wouldnt hurt to start a new with a different TE, hopefully 1 who doesnt have a case of the dropsies
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Post by Kase1 on Jan 11, 2021 13:10:05 GMT -5
I'm so used to everyone disagreeing with me, I just figured I would be. Seems most of what I hear is people saying get rid of him. I don't particularly like him as a player, but I just don't think he is so bad that he must be released. Not sure why he's still not tradable. I've heard everything from getting a 6th rounder to a 2nd rounder for him. So a 4th rounder is possible, to me. Most of the college TEs being mentioned are projected 3rd to 5th rounders. Start over, I could care less if he becomes a true Pro Bowler somewhere else. He is a severe liability here. 6th rounder, no way 2nd rounder, absolutely 3rd rounder, yes 4th rounder, probably not depending on draft position 5th rounder, VERY doubtful unless it is part of an intriguing package
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Post by jmike on Jan 11, 2021 14:07:06 GMT -5
I'm so used to everyone disagreeing with me, I just figured I would be. Seems most of what I hear is people saying get rid of him. I don't particularly like him as a player, but I just don't think he is so bad that he must be released. Not sure why he's still not tradable. I've heard everything from getting a 6th rounder to a 2nd rounder for him. So a 4th rounder is possible, to me. Most of the college TEs being mentioned are projected 3rd to 5th rounders. Start over, I could care less if he becomes a true Pro Bowler somewhere else. He is a severe liability here. He is tradeable, not sure what you would get for him or if it would be enough to be worth trading him. If they don't sign him after next year, someone may offer him enough to score a 3rd comp pick for him. At best I think you get a 4th for him and it is not likely you will get a better player in the 4th than you have with him right now. I'm not against trading him, just against trading him for little return value.
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Post by Kase1 on Jan 11, 2021 14:22:46 GMT -5
Not sure why he's still not tradable. I've heard everything from getting a 6th rounder to a 2nd rounder for him. So a 4th rounder is possible, to me. Most of the college TEs being mentioned are projected 3rd to 5th rounders. Start over, I could care less if he becomes a true Pro Bowler somewhere else. He is a severe liability here. He is tradeable, not sure what you would get for him or if it would be enough to be worth trading him. If they don't sign him after next year, someone may offer him enough to score a 3rd comp pick for him. At best I think you get a 4th for him and it is not likely you will get a better player in the 4th than you have with him right now. I'm not against trading him, just against trading him for little return value. So then what do you suggest we do. His stock is at an all time high right now, IMO it would be the best time to sell because I DOUBT we are signing him to another contract after his option year. At least this year he is coming off of a Pro Bowl nod and still has a year left to option if it works like that, im not sure if we could trade him and another team picks up his 5th year option. If so, that would be a nice selling point as well. What would you consider a fair return value for him, a 2nd or 3rd round pick.
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Post by jmike on Jan 11, 2021 14:48:31 GMT -5
He is tradeable, not sure what you would get for him or if it would be enough to be worth trading him. If they don't sign him after next year, someone may offer him enough to score a 3rd comp pick for him. At best I think you get a 4th for him and it is not likely you will get a better player in the 4th than you have with him right now. I'm not against trading him, just against trading him for little return value. So then what do you suggest we do. His stock is at an all time high right now, IMO it would be the best time to sell because I DOUBT we are signing him to another contract after his option year. At least this year he is coming off of a Pro Bowl nod and still has a year left to option if it works like that, im not sure if we could trade him and another team picks up his 5th year option. If so, that would be a nice selling point as well. What would you consider a fair return value for him, a 2nd or 3rd round pick. Yes, a 2 or a 3 I would trade him for. Probably not a 4th. I doubt you'd get a 2 or 3. Best return might actually be a similar player to Engram. A player on another team who is reaching the end of rookie deal and isn't in the long term plans of that team. If they could deal him for a CB, ER or WR; it might be a better outcome for both teams rather than letting a player they don't plan on keeping after current contract anyway. Here are the 1st rounders from that draft, any of them in a similar situation to EE and on a team that might benefit more from Engram than that player? Myles Garrett Browns DE Texas A&M Mitchell Trubisky Bears QB North Carolina Solomon Thomas 49ers DE Stanford Leonard Fournette Jaguars RB Louisiana State Corey Davis Titans WR Western Michigan Jamal Adams Jets DB Louisiana State Mike Williams Chargers WR Clemson Christian McCaffrey Panthers RB Stanford John Ross Bengals WR Washington Patrick Mahomes Chiefs QB Texas Tech Marshon Lattimore Saints DB Ohio State Deshaun Watson Texans QB Clemson Haason Reddick Cardinals LB Temple Derek Barnett Eagles DE Tennessee Malik Hooker Colts DB Ohio State Marlon Humphrey Ravens DB Alabama Jonathan Allen Redskins DE Alabama Adoree' Jackson Titans DB USC O.J. Howard Buccaneers TE Alabama Garett Bolles Broncos T Utah Jarrad Davis Lions LB Florida Charles Harris Dolphins LB Missouri Evan Engram Giants TE Mississippi Gareon Conley Raiders DB Ohio State Jabrill Peppers Browns DB Michigan Takkarist McKinley Falcons DE UCLA Tre'Davious White Bills DB Louisiana State Taco Charlton Cowboys DE Michigan David Njoku Browns TE Miami (FL) T.J. Watt Steelers LB Wisconsin Reuben Foster 49ers LB Alabama Ryan Ramczyk Saints T Wisconsin
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Post by jimmieray on Jan 11, 2021 14:49:30 GMT -5
He is tradeable, not sure what you would get for him or if it would be enough to be worth trading him. If they don't sign him after next year, someone may offer him enough to score a 3rd comp pick for him. At best I think you get a 4th for him and it is not likely you will get a better player in the 4th than you have with him right now. I'm not against trading him, just against trading him for little return value. So then what do you suggest we do. His stock is at an all time high right now, IMO it would be the best time to sell because I DOUBT we are signing him to another contract after his option year. At least this year he is coming off of a Pro Bowl nod and still has a year left to option if it works like that, im not sure if we could trade him and another team picks up his 5th year option. If so, that would be a nice selling point as well. What would you consider a fair return value for him, a 2nd or 3rd round pick. His stock is at an all time high - if other GMs and their crew have not been watching him this season and only go by yardage stats vs his peers. This guy has already gotten enough threads outlining all his failures, I just see an opportunity to be rid of him and get something normal at his position in an even swap, which would be great in a draft that we're not stacked for.
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Post by Kase1 on Jan 11, 2021 15:41:17 GMT -5
So then what do you suggest we do. His stock is at an all time high right now, IMO it would be the best time to sell because I DOUBT we are signing him to another contract after his option year. At least this year he is coming off of a Pro Bowl nod and still has a year left to option if it works like that, im not sure if we could trade him and another team picks up his 5th year option. If so, that would be a nice selling point as well. What would you consider a fair return value for him, a 2nd or 3rd round pick. His stock is at an all time high - if other GMs and their crew have not been watching him this season and only go by yardage stats vs his peers. This guy has already gotten enough threads outlining all his failures, I just see an opportunity to be rid of him and get something normal at his position in an even swap, which would be great in a draft that we're not stacked for. Maybe we should start pumping out threads about how good he is and how it would be awful to let him go, in an attempt to drive his value even higher and maybe trick some GM's into biting.
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Post by Kase1 on Jan 11, 2021 15:42:57 GMT -5
So then what do you suggest we do. His stock is at an all time high right now, IMO it would be the best time to sell because I DOUBT we are signing him to another contract after his option year. At least this year he is coming off of a Pro Bowl nod and still has a year left to option if it works like that, im not sure if we could trade him and another team picks up his 5th year option. If so, that would be a nice selling point as well. What would you consider a fair return value for him, a 2nd or 3rd round pick. Yes, a 2 or a 3 I would trade him for. Probably not a 4th. I doubt you'd get a 2 or 3. Best return might actually be a similar player to Engram. A player on another team who is reaching the end of rookie deal and isn't in the long term plans of that team. If they could deal him for a CB, ER or WR; it might be a better outcome for both teams rather than letting a player they don't plan on keeping after current contract anyway. Here are the 1st rounders from that draft, any of them in a similar situation to EE and on a team that might benefit more from Engram than that player? Marshon Lattimore Saints DB Ohio State Haason Reddick Cardinals LB Temple Marlon Humphrey Ravens DB Alabama O.J. Howard Buccaneers TE Alabama Jarrad Davis Lions LB Florida Tre'Davious White Bills DB Louisiana State David Njoku Browns TE Miami (FL) Ryan Ramczyk Saints T Wisconsin Sound like good options for a straight up trade
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Post by jmike on Jan 11, 2021 15:48:42 GMT -5
Yes, a 2 or a 3 I would trade him for. Probably not a 4th. I doubt you'd get a 2 or 3. Best return might actually be a similar player to Engram. A player on another team who is reaching the end of rookie deal and isn't in the long term plans of that team. If they could deal him for a CB, ER or WR; it might be a better outcome for both teams rather than letting a player they don't plan on keeping after current contract anyway. Here are the 1st rounders from that draft, any of them in a similar situation to EE and on a team that might benefit more from Engram than that player? Marshon Lattimore Saints DB Ohio State Haason Reddick Cardinals LB Temple Marlon Humphrey Ravens DB Alabama O.J. Howard Buccaneers TE Alabama Jarrad Davis Lions LB Florida Tre'Davious White Bills DB Louisiana State David Njoku Browns TE Miami (FL) Ryan Ramczyk Saints T Wisconsin Sound like good options for a straight up trade Reddick is already a FA I think. I think there is zero chance we get Lattimore, Humphrey or White for him. I think I'd rather keep Engram than get Njoku; but I could be way off on that. So that leaves Davis, Howard and Ramczyk; none of which I could say one way or the other if the team would trade them for Engram. Though Watson wants out of Houston. Maybe Engram for Watson???
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Post by Merc on Jan 14, 2021 14:06:54 GMT -5
TE is TOTALLY a luxury especially with our teams current state. I was just wondering if we trade Engram while his value is high, and get an extra 3rd, even if we DONT trade him, a nice safe, sure handed option for DJ would be great for his confidence building Personally our biggest needs are WR, CB, and a Pass Rusher, in no order. But I wouldn't be upset with a TE, RT, or ILB somewhere in the draft you are the only person on the planet who refers to Evan Engram as sure handed Engram is sure to hand the ball over to the opposing team.
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