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Post by myronguyton29 on Jan 4, 2021 20:28:19 GMT -5
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 4, 2021 20:41:36 GMT -5
Id hate it Paye is not an edge rusher,he is a 4/3 DE. Square peg round hole
And getting him over DeVonta Smith...
But this is would be the type of move granpa Gettleman would make and wait till day 3 to sift through the leftovers and take a big slow poke outside
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Post by TheAussieGiant on Jan 4, 2021 21:00:34 GMT -5
Gettleman has found some success here with his late round picks. God I hope he gets the first rounder right this year. Hoping its pass rusher or WR, I haven't started looking at players yet, but I look forward to sifting through everyones suggestions. It keeps me going during the offseason!
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Post by myronguyton29 on Jan 4, 2021 21:10:58 GMT -5
Gettleman has found some success here with his late round picks. God I hope he gets the first rounder right this year. Hoping its pass rusher or WR, I haven't started looking at players yet, but I look forward to sifting through everyones suggestions. It keeps me going during the offseason! Yeah it's good to get guys input and guys who watch the games a whole lot more and to kind of take those names they talk and check out the highlights 😅😅
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Post by bluebuddha on Jan 4, 2021 21:17:00 GMT -5
Gettleman has found some success here with his late round picks. God I hope he gets the first rounder right this year. Hoping its pass rusher or WR, I haven't started looking at players yet, but I look forward to sifting through everyones suggestions. It keeps me going during the offseason! Yeah it's good to get guy then puts in guys who watch the games at the college games a whole lot more and to kind of take those names they talk about me to watch the highlights 😅😅 Lol...WTF? What did I read right now?
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Post by bluebuddha on Jan 4, 2021 21:29:54 GMT -5
Id hate it Paye is not an edge rusher,he is a 4/3 DE. Square peg round hole And getting him over DeVonta Smith... But this is would be the type of move granpa Gettleman would make and wait till day 3 to sift through the leftovers and take a big slow poke outside Paye is going to move up the boards. I don't think he is limited to an even front either.
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Post by myronguyton29 on Jan 5, 2021 14:44:10 GMT -5
Id hate it Paye is not an edge rusher,he is a 4/3 DE. Square peg round hole And getting him over DeVonta Smith... But this is would be the type of move granpa Gettleman would make and wait till day 3 to sift through the leftovers and take a big slow poke outside Paye is going to move up the boards. I don't think he is limited to an even front either. But he only had 2 sacks this season is what I read? I know doesn't tell the whole story all the time but damn to be taken high lol......
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Post by myronguyton29 on Jan 5, 2021 14:45:51 GMT -5
Yeah it's good to get guy then puts in guys who watch the games at the college games a whole lot more and to kind of take those names they talk about me to watch the highlights 😅😅 Lol...WTF? What did I read right now? lol lol I tell ya speech to text so freaaaaakin dumb smdh. It's sad because I had an s6 before my s9 that I currently have and it was better with recognition and saying shit correct that I actually speak lmao and smh. I did edit my comment though
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Post by bluebuddha on Jan 5, 2021 14:54:38 GMT -5
Paye is going to move up the boards. I don't think he is limited to an even front either. But he only had 2 sacks this season is what I read? I know doesn't tell the whole story all the time but damn to be taken high lol...... I agree he moved around the line on Michigan. His rise is going to similar to JPP where physical tools and natural athleticism trumps his production. His combine will put him in the upper tier of draftees this year. This pass rushing class isn't so great. His ceiling is quite high if the right DC gets his hands on him.
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Post by bluebuddha on Jan 5, 2021 14:55:55 GMT -5
Lol...WTF? What did I read right now? lol lol I tell ya speech to text so freaaaaakin dumb smdh. It's sad because I had an s6 before my s9 that I currently have and it was better with recognition and saying shit correct that I actually speak lmao and smh. I did edit my comment though No worries. It was a good laugh.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 5, 2021 16:11:49 GMT -5
But he only had 2 sacks this season is what I read? I know doesn't tell the whole story all the time but damn to be taken high lol...... I agree he moved around the line on Michigan. His rise is going to similar to JPP where physical tools and natural athleticism trumps his production. His combine will put him in the upper tier of draftees this year. This pass rushing class isn't so great. His ceiling is quite high if the right DC gets his hands on him. This is why I'd rather wait till day 2 if we desire an edge rusher type Way too many?? And boom or bust types early to risk our pick when a guy of similar value can be had day 2..
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Post by bluebuddha on Jan 5, 2021 16:33:11 GMT -5
I agree he moved around the line on Michigan. His rise is going to similar to JPP where physical tools and natural athleticism trumps his production. His combine will put him in the upper tier of draftees this year. This pass rushing class isn't so great. His ceiling is quite high if the right DC gets his hands on him. This is why I'd rather wait till day 2 if we desire an edge rusher type Way too many?? And boom or bust types early to risk our pick when a guy of similar value can be had day 2.. Me personally I would find one in FA than pick another project pass rusher. We already have 2 projects in the wings with Xmines and Carter.
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Post by Kase1 on Jan 5, 2021 17:06:55 GMT -5
No thank you.
Isnt Paye a 4-3 strong side DE?? As far as I know and have heard, he isnt going to translate well to an odd man front, which is what we run a majority of the time.
The more time goes on, the more I want to go WR or CB in the 1st, or Parsons if he's available, then Hamilcar Rashed from Oregon St in the 2nd or 3rd or maybe 1 of the edge rushers from Pitt, either Patrick Jones or Rashed Weaver
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Post by snyder55 on Jan 5, 2021 17:22:32 GMT -5
This is why I'd rather wait till day 2 if we desire an edge rusher type Way too many?? And boom or bust types early to risk our pick when a guy of similar value can be had day 2.. Me personally I would find one in FA than pick another project pass rusher. We already have 2 projects in the wings with Xmines and Carter. JJ Watt might be available for next season, he is very unhappy in Houston and has said it to the media.
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Post by bluebuddha on Jan 5, 2021 18:14:19 GMT -5
No thank you. Isnt Paye a 4-3 strong side DE?? As far as I know and have heard, he isnt going to translate well to an odd man front, which is what we run a majority of the time. The more time goes on, the more I want to go WR or CB in the 1st, or Parsons if he's available, then Hamilcar Rashed from Oregon St in the 2nd or 3rd or maybe 1 of the edge rushers from Pitt, either Patrick Jones or Rashed Weaver Why do you think he is a 4-3 end? This is the second time I have seen this on the board. Is it his height, weight?
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Post by Kase1 on Jan 5, 2021 18:23:50 GMT -5
No thank you. Isnt Paye a 4-3 strong side DE?? As far as I know and have heard, he isnt going to translate well to an odd man front, which is what we run a majority of the time. The more time goes on, the more I want to go WR or CB in the 1st, or Parsons if he's available, then Hamilcar Rashed from Oregon St in the 2nd or 3rd or maybe 1 of the edge rushers from Pitt, either Patrick Jones or Rashed Weaver Why do you think he is a 4-3 end? This is the second time I have seen this on the board. Is it his height, weight? "Projection Michigan’s Kwity Paye projects best as a reliable starting defensive end in a 4-3 front. Defensive coordinators will appreciate Paye’s competitive toughness and discipline, as well as his ability to be a reliable player on all downs. However, he is somewhat scheme limited and is an awkward fit in most modern 3-4 defenses (or hybrid defenses based in one-gap 34 principles). Paye lacks the elite athleticism necessary to be a consistent star pass rusher, and will struggle to bend the edge or beat NFL caliber offensive tackles with speed. Despite topping Bruce Feldman’s annual “Freaks” list for 2020, the reported 4.57 40 yard dash speed, nor 6.37 3-cone drill show (which, if true, would be the second-fastest time in NFL Scouting Combine history at any position) show up on tape. Instead he will win with length, strength, and technique, though coaches will want to work on improving his snap anticipation. Rather than the next Von Miller or Myles Garrett, Paye looks to be a player in the mold of Adrian Clayborn, Olivier Vernon, or Trey Flowers. A good, reliable defensive end who will be a consistent presence, but not a player to take over games" www.google.com/amp/s/www.bigblueview.com/platform/amp/2020/12/19/22189143/2021-nfl-draft-saturday-scouting-report-kwity-paye-de-michigan-college-games-to-watch
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Post by bluebuddha on Jan 5, 2021 19:46:43 GMT -5
Why do you think he is a 4-3 end? This is the second time I have seen this on the board. Is it his height, weight? "Projection Michigan’s Kwity Paye projects best as a reliable starting defensive end in a 4-3 front. Defensive coordinators will appreciate Paye’s competitive toughness and discipline, as well as his ability to be a reliable player on all downs. However, he is somewhat scheme limited and is an awkward fit in most modern 3-4 defenses (or hybrid defenses based in one-gap 34 principles). Paye lacks the elite athleticism necessary to be a consistent star pass rusher, and will struggle to bend the edge or beat NFL caliber offensive tackles with speed. Despite topping Bruce Feldman’s annual “Freaks” list for 2020, the reported 4.57 40 yard dash speed, nor 6.37 3-cone drill show (which, if true, would be the second-fastest time in NFL Scouting Combine history at any position) show up on tape. Instead he will win with length, strength, and technique, though coaches will want to work on improving his snap anticipation. Rather than the next Von Miller or Myles Garrett, Paye looks to be a player in the mold of Adrian Clayborn, Olivier Vernon, or Trey Flowers. A good, reliable defensive end who will be a consistent presence, but not a player to take over games" www.google.com/amp/s/www.bigblueview.com/platform/amp/2020/12/19/22189143/2021-nfl-draft-saturday-scouting-report-kwity-paye-de-michigan-college-games-to-watchI read articles that said he is 4-3 but also as a versatile defender that can line up in a 3 point or standing up. I was more interested in what posters are seeing in highlights or games that say he can't fit a multiple front defense we run. I am indifferent to Kwity and would rather get a pass rusher in FA. I do see a 270 pound athlete who has a good first step and a nasty punch plus power and moves to get off blocks and make plays. He seems like the type of guy Patrick Graham likes. Even in plays off the line he seems really fluid.
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Post by Kase1 on Jan 6, 2021 16:01:43 GMT -5
"Projection Michigan’s Kwity Paye projects best as a reliable starting defensive end in a 4-3 front. Defensive coordinators will appreciate Paye’s competitive toughness and discipline, as well as his ability to be a reliable player on all downs. However, he is somewhat scheme limited and is an awkward fit in most modern 3-4 defenses (or hybrid defenses based in one-gap 34 principles). Paye lacks the elite athleticism necessary to be a consistent star pass rusher, and will struggle to bend the edge or beat NFL caliber offensive tackles with speed. Despite topping Bruce Feldman’s annual “Freaks” list for 2020, the reported 4.57 40 yard dash speed, nor 6.37 3-cone drill show (which, if true, would be the second-fastest time in NFL Scouting Combine history at any position) show up on tape. Instead he will win with length, strength, and technique, though coaches will want to work on improving his snap anticipation. Rather than the next Von Miller or Myles Garrett, Paye looks to be a player in the mold of Adrian Clayborn, Olivier Vernon, or Trey Flowers. A good, reliable defensive end who will be a consistent presence, but not a player to take over games" www.google.com/amp/s/www.bigblueview.com/platform/amp/2020/12/19/22189143/2021-nfl-draft-saturday-scouting-report-kwity-paye-de-michigan-college-games-to-watchI read articles that said he is 4-3 but also as a versatile defender that can line up in a 3 point or standing up. I was more interested in what posters are seeing in highlights or games that say he can't fit a multiple front defense we run. I am indifferent to Kwity and would rather get a pass rusher in FA. I do see a 270 pound athlete who has a good first step and a nasty punch plus power and moves to get off blocks and make plays. He seems like the type of guy Patrick Graham likes. Even in plays off the line he seems really fluid. TBH, I havent watched him much. Since he was projected as a 4-3 DE, I lost interest in scouting him.
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Post by IrishMike on Jan 6, 2021 19:10:10 GMT -5
Id hate it Paye is not an edge rusher,he is a 4/3 DE. Square peg round hole And getting him over DeVonta Smith... But this is would be the type of move granpa Gettleman would make and wait till day 3 to sift through the leftovers and take a big slow poke outside I don't think this is a DG move I think it's a Reese move "can never have enough pass rushers".
I agree with you 100% though about Paye. I'm not sold. He has all the athletic skills in the world but has managed just 10.5 sacks in 3 years of college ball. Combine that with him not getting a lot of TFL and it just seems like a red flag to me. No way I pass on Devonta Smith for this guy. WR is the weakest part of this entire team. If we have a chance for one of the top 3 we have to take him.
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Post by TEM on Jan 6, 2021 19:45:24 GMT -5
Id hate it Paye is not an edge rusher,he is a 4/3 DE. Square peg round hole And getting him over DeVonta Smith... But this is would be the type of move granpa Gettleman would make and wait till day 3 to sift through the leftovers and take a big slow poke outside I don't think this is a DG move I think it's a Reese move "can never have enough pass rushers".
I agree with you 100% though about Paye. I'm not sold. He has all the athletic skills in the world but has managed just 10.5 sacks in 3 years of college ball. Combine that with him not getting a lot of TFL and it just seems like a red flag to me. No way I pass on Devonta Smith for this guy. WR is the weakest part of this entire team. If we have a chance for one of the top 3 we have to take him.
I like Patrick Johnson ( Tulane) in the 2nd round . I think he fits what Graham does.
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Post by piddy283 on Jan 7, 2021 6:48:51 GMT -5
I know nothing about the kid Kwity Paeye they have us drafting, but I'm not a fan of the overview they've provided. He's an apparent athlete with good size, but hasn't produced on the field. Drafting on potential based solely on athleticism rarely seems to work out.
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Post by piddy283 on Jan 7, 2021 6:58:19 GMT -5
But he only had 2 sacks this season is what I read? I know doesn't tell the whole story all the time but damn to be taken high lol...... I agree he moved around the line on Michigan. His rise is going to similar to JPP where physical tools and natural athleticism trumps his production. His combine will put him in the upper tier of draftees this year. This pass rushing class isn't so great. His ceiling is quite high if the right DC gets his hands on him. The difference here is JPP had very good numbers in college. Granted, his first year was against lesser competition, but he still produced at a very high level. From what it seems, Paye has athleticism but no production. Drafting on potential alone is scary. Very NBA draft-esque.
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Post by bluebuddha on Jan 7, 2021 8:27:30 GMT -5
I agree he moved around the line on Michigan. His rise is going to similar to JPP where physical tools and natural athleticism trumps his production. His combine will put him in the upper tier of draftees this year. This pass rushing class isn't so great. His ceiling is quite high if the right DC gets his hands on him. The difference here is JPP had very good numbers in college. Granted, his first year was against lesser competition, but he still produced at a very high level. From what it seems, Paye has athleticism but no production. Drafting on potential alone is scary. Very NBA draft-esque. I agree but just from my experience watching drafts I know he will be drafted high on potential. These are the type of guys coaches drool over because they have all the physical skills but still raw or miscast. Rashan Gary was the same type of prospect a couple of years ago and GB drafted him at 12.
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Post by IrishMike on Jan 7, 2021 8:31:59 GMT -5
I like Patrick Johnson ( Tulane) in the 2nd round . I think he fits what Graham does. Yeah I think round two and beyond might provide some decent value trying to add to our pass rush. I'm looking at Dylan Moses possibly being there for us in round two and would love that pick. He hasn't been asked to blitz but from the looks of it he could. More than that he would be a great MLB to pair with Blake. I thought Moses would be #2 LB off the board but looks like he might fall to round 2 now.
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Post by IrishMike on Jan 7, 2021 8:33:30 GMT -5
The difference here is JPP had very good numbers in college. Granted, his first year was against lesser competition, but he still produced at a very high level. From what it seems, Paye has athleticism but no production. Drafting on potential alone is scary. Very NBA draft-esque. I agree but just from my experience watching drafts I know he will be drafted high on potential. These are the type of guys coaches drool over because they have all the physical skills but still raw or miscast. Rashan Gary was the same type of prospect a couple of years ago and GB drafted him at 12. I agree I think someone will take him pretty early. For me it's too risky depending who else is on the board. I think at pick #11 we will likely have safer picks.
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Post by bluebuddha on Jan 7, 2021 8:50:46 GMT -5
I agree but just from my experience watching drafts I know he will be drafted high on potential. These are the type of guys coaches drool over because they have all the physical skills but still raw or miscast. Rashan Gary was the same type of prospect a couple of years ago and GB drafted him at 12. I agree I think someone will take him pretty early. For me it's too risky depending who else is on the board. I think at pick #11 we will likely have safer picks. I do agree at 11 I feel there are players that would be more productive in thier rookie year than Paye. I also think this is the type of guy Reese would draft and DG would avoid but I can see Graham wanting this guy.
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Post by piddy283 on Jan 7, 2021 8:57:52 GMT -5
The difference here is JPP had very good numbers in college. Granted, his first year was against lesser competition, but he still produced at a very high level. From what it seems, Paye has athleticism but no production. Drafting on potential alone is scary. Very NBA draft-esque. I agree but just from my experience watching drafts I know he will be drafted high on potential. These are the type of guys coaches drool over because they have all the physical skills but still raw or miscast. Rashan Gary was the same type of prospect a couple of years ago and GB drafted him at 12. Couldn't agree more. Gary was actually one of the names I had in mind. I may also be completely wrong about this kid. I haven't seen him play, just mentioning this based on the article's description.
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Post by bluebuddha on Jan 7, 2021 9:27:13 GMT -5
I agree but just from my experience watching drafts I know he will be drafted high on potential. These are the type of guys coaches drool over because they have all the physical skills but still raw or miscast. Rashan Gary was the same type of prospect a couple of years ago and GB drafted him at 12. Couldn't agree more. Gary was actually one of the names I had in mind. I may also be completely wrong about this kid. I haven't seen him play, just mentioning this based on the article's description. Well he only played 4 out of 6 games for Michigan so I don't think he would have generated much more stats anyway. Weird year for prospects so there will be surprises this year.
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Post by IrishMike on Jan 7, 2021 11:23:14 GMT -5
I agree I think someone will take him pretty early. For me it's too risky depending who else is on the board. I think at pick #11 we will likely have safer picks. I do agree at 11 I feel there are players that would be more productive in thier rookie year than Paye. I also think this is the type of guy Reese would draft and DG would avoid but I can see Graham wanting this guy. That kid Rousseau from Miami seems like he would be more of a fit IMO for Graham. He is very raw, played safety in highschool and only really has 1 year of college ball but he can play anywhere on the DL in multiple fronts or stand up as an OLB if needed. Lots you could develop the kid to do. If we were going that route which I don't think we will.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 7, 2021 11:30:05 GMT -5
I agree I think someone will take him pretty early. For me it's too risky depending who else is on the board. I think at pick #11 we will likely have safer picks. I do agree at 11 I feel there are players that would be more productive in thier rookie year than Paye. I also think this is the type of guy Reese would draft and DG would avoid but I can see Graham wanting this guy. Graham wants more versatile guys..... I can't see him wanting a one dimensional square peg type If anything I can see him jumping up and down like a lunatic if Parsons is gone and if I predict Zevon Collins flies up draft boards.. Think a more fundamentally sound Lennard Floyd with higher production
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