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Post by Sarcasman on Jan 31, 2021 15:05:42 GMT -5
If they don’t win a championship in the remaining window of Stafford’s career it is would be very very hard to sell the idea that it was a good trade. What did they really give up? A QB they soured on and 2 later Round 1s. If you look at the history of round 1 picks in the range where they dealt, the bust rate is probably 50%. So they'd have wasted 1 pick anyway. And the other guy will likely range from starter-good player. So they get Stafford for a strong 5 year window and miss out on 1 potentially good player who would not have even been on their team until 2022 or 2023? I love go for it moves. And the Rams were in a go for it spot with where their roster is at. Only 1 team can win the SB, they will be SB contenders for the next several years. Being one of those teams is what it's all about. The rest of the league is just playing for tomorrow and tomorrow often never comes. They're SB contenders now, that's not in dispute. If you're mortgaging your future to make a moves the Rams did here, it's a ballsy, championship or best move. If they continue to be playoff contenders and have no championships after 5 years and Stafford is done it was a bad move. You don't deal two number one picks to not change your overall positioning. I respect the move but let's be realistic about it. Five years from now how many Rams fans will say "sure we are rebuilding now but remember when we traded two first round draft picks and got Stafford and we went from 4th - 10th best to 2nd - 8th best? That was awesome.
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Post by 80sdreincarnate on Jan 31, 2021 15:11:30 GMT -5
What did they really give up? A QB they soured on and 2 later Round 1s. If you look at the history of round 1 picks in the range where they dealt, the bust rate is probably 50%. So they'd have wasted 1 pick anyway. And the other guy will likely range from starter-good player. So they get Stafford for a strong 5 year window and miss out on 1 potentially good player who would not have even been on their team until 2022 or 2023? I love go for it moves. And the Rams were in a go for it spot with where their roster is at. Only 1 team can win the SB, they will be SB contenders for the next several years. Being one of those teams is what it's all about. The rest of the league is just playing for tomorrow and tomorrow often never comes. They're SB contenders now, that's not in dispute. If you're mortgaging your future to make a moves the Rams did here, it's a ballsy, championship or best move. If they continue to be playoff contenders and have no championships after 5 years and Stafford is done it was a bad move. You don't deal two number one picks to not change your overall positioning. I respect the move but let's be realistic about it. Five years from now how many Rams fans will say "sure we are rebuilding now but remember when we traded two first round draft picks and got Stafford and we went from 4th - 10th best to 2nd - 8th best? That was awesome. I went over what they gave up, 2 round 1s that will be in the 20s or lower. Which means they basically traded 1 good player. As draft history in that range shows a 50% bust rate. I get that draft picks are the wild unknown and when discussed fans act as if they are future studs, but reality is even in the latter half of round 1 you are drafting a bust for every starter. So the Rams may have dealt 2 ones, but history tells us they'd have wasted 1 of those picks regardless. We've drafted in Round 1 every year since the 2011 SB team broke up, still waiting for us to turn it around.
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Post by Sarcasman on Jan 31, 2021 15:34:50 GMT -5
They're SB contenders now, that's not in dispute. If you're mortgaging your future to make a moves the Rams did here, it's a ballsy, championship or best move. If they continue to be playoff contenders and have no championships after 5 years and Stafford is done it was a bad move. You don't deal two number one picks to not change your overall positioning. I respect the move but let's be realistic about it. Five years from now how many Rams fans will say "sure we are rebuilding now but remember when we traded two first round draft picks and got Stafford and we went from 4th - 10th best to 2nd - 8th best? That was awesome. I went over what they gave up, 2 round 1s that will be in the 20s or lower. Which means they basically traded 1 good player. As draft history in that range shows a 50% bust rate. I get that draft picks are the wild unknown and when discussed fans act as if they are future studs, but reality is even in the latter half of round 1 you are drafting a bust for every starter. So the Rams may have dealt 2 ones, but history tells us they'd have wasted 1 of those picks regardless. We've drafted in Round 1 every year since the 2011 SB team broke up, still waiting for us to turn it around. I have no problem understanding your opinion of what you feel the trade represents; it's just not relevant. I'm less about the speculation and projections and more interested in the boring reality. The Rams are a good team today that is a consistent playoff contender. They mortgaged their future (there are a million terms for this, it's not important which one we use) for a player they feel will take them from playoff contender to championship team. It's a gutsy move and I respect the Rams FO for making it. If they don't win a championship it didn't work out.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 31, 2021 21:44:19 GMT -5
So what is the chain reaction that this causes in the qb market
Buckle up,keep your hands and feet inside because shit is going to get wild
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Post by TheAnalyst on Feb 1, 2021 6:31:52 GMT -5
This is an interesting article, but they downplay the play by the Skins a bit compared to the earlier statements. This could shed light on who is going after a QB this season. Bears, Broncos, Panthers offered Lions first-rounder and more for Matthew Stafford, per report The Los Angeles Rams reportedly agreed on Saturday to pay a premium to acquire Matthew Stafford from the Detroit Lions, but at least three other teams were prepared to do the same. Hours after reports indicated that several others sought to trade for the 12-year veteran, NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reports that at least three clubs actually made offers for Stafford -- and every one of them included a first-round draft pick, plus more. Those teams, per Rapoport: The Chicago Bears, Denver Broncos and Carolina Panthers.In total, according to Rapoport, the Lions had more than six formal trade offers for Stafford, who was the No. 1 pick in the 2009 NFL Draft. But Chicago, Carolina and Denver were "among a handful of teams" outside of the Rams who made the most aggressive plays for the veteran QB. The Indianapolis Colts, San Francisco 49ers and Washington Football Team were also in the mix, as NBC Sports' Peter King reported previously, but may or may not have offered first-round picks for Stafford. www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/bears-broncos-panthers-offered-lions-first-rounder-and-more-for-matthew-stafford-per-report/
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Post by giantlegacy on Feb 1, 2021 9:51:08 GMT -5
This is an interesting article, but they downplay the play by the Skins a bit compared to the earlier statements. This could shed light on who is going after a QB this season. Bears, Broncos, Panthers offered Lions first-rounder and more for Matthew Stafford, per report The Los Angeles Rams reportedly agreed on Saturday to pay a premium to acquire Matthew Stafford from the Detroit Lions, but at least three other teams were prepared to do the same. Hours after reports indicated that several others sought to trade for the 12-year veteran, NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reports that at least three clubs actually made offers for Stafford -- and every one of them included a first-round draft pick, plus more. Those teams, per Rapoport: The Chicago Bears, Denver Broncos and Carolina Panthers.In total, according to Rapoport, the Lions had more than six formal trade offers for Stafford, who was the No. 1 pick in the 2009 NFL Draft. But Chicago, Carolina and Denver were "among a handful of teams" outside of the Rams who made the most aggressive plays for the veteran QB. The Indianapolis Colts, San Francisco 49ers and Washington Football Team were also in the mix, as NBC Sports' Peter King reported previously, but may or may not have offered first-round picks for Stafford. www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/bears-broncos-panthers-offered-lions-first-rounder-and-more-for-matthew-stafford-per-report/That's 7 teams that we know of that are looking for vet qbs it seems (or in the QB matket) I would say New England is also in the Mix So who are the vet qbs left that could be moved Watson Ryan Wentz Rodgers Philly probably will have to throw in at least a 2nd to move Wentz and his guaranteed money because they can't afford to eat any dead money
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Post by giantsalmon on Feb 1, 2021 9:53:55 GMT -5
So what is the chain reaction that this causes in the qb market Buckle up,keep your hands and feet inside because shit is going to get wild I think the "win at all costs" mentality is one of the reasons the NFL is so popular. The bandwagon for winning teams and players who have great seasons gets big quick. Winners sell product, make owners, GMs, and coaches proud to be identified with their team. I think what truly causes the chain reaction of which you refer to is good 'ole "fear of loss". It's no different than wanting that last cookie in the cookie jar before a friend or sibling gets it. Also mortality--some of these owners are well past worrying about their next dollar and want what money can't necessarily buy in the NFL--winning/championships. As for GMs they may be worried about the mortality of their careers and gamble big short term. Some personalities tend to play it safe and others have a much greater level of risk they are comfortable with. All of this must be weighed by their in house "captologists". Like you said, this is just the beginning of what will go on this off season.
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Post by giantlegacy on Feb 19, 2021 6:22:07 GMT -5
So that's Stafford,Wentz and Goff all traded
Who is the next domino to fall Ryan? Watson? Other?
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Post by Fletch842 on Feb 19, 2021 7:32:48 GMT -5
So that's Stafford,Wentz and Goff all traded Who is the next domino to fall Ryan? Watson? Other? the talking heads have been bantering about Carr and Sammy D.
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Post by TCHOF on Feb 19, 2021 8:16:36 GMT -5
So that's Stafford,Wentz and Goff all traded Who is the next domino to fall Ryan? Watson? Other? the talking heads have been bantering about Carr and Sammy D. Don’t get the Carr talk ... what are the Raiders going to do for a QB if they trade Carr?
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Post by te88 on Feb 19, 2021 8:29:05 GMT -5
the talking heads have been bantering about Carr and Sammy D. Don’t get the Carr talk ... what are the Raiders going to do for a QB if they trade Carr? Nathan Peterman!
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Post by TCHOF on Feb 19, 2021 9:47:16 GMT -5
Don’t get the Carr talk ... what are the Raiders going to do for a QB if they trade Carr? Nathan Peterman! jeez ... although I don't put anything past Gruden
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Post by giantlegacy on Feb 19, 2021 10:45:28 GMT -5
the talking heads have been bantering about Carr and Sammy D. Don’t get the Carr talk ... what are the Raiders going to do for a QB if they trade Carr? Not to mention if Gruden didn't like Carr he would have been gone 2 years ago
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Post by Fletch842 on Feb 19, 2021 10:52:02 GMT -5
the talking heads have been bantering about Carr and Sammy D. Don’t get the Carr talk ... what are the Raiders going to do for a QB if they trade Carr? Carr for Sammy D straight up? Change of scenery for both might do them good (ok, I'm just messing around here)
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Post by Fletch842 on Feb 19, 2021 12:20:01 GMT -5
the talking heads have been bantering about Carr and Sammy D. Don’t get the Carr talk ... what are the Raiders going to do for a QB if they trade Carr? On PFT they are saying that the Colts inquired as to Carr, and were told he's not available, so it really was all idle talk.
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Post by JoeyCush on Feb 19, 2021 12:26:04 GMT -5
I'm gonna say the Jets draft Wilson at 2, Sam Darnold gets traded to the Bears.
As for Watson, Im not sure. I think Denver is a possibility or maybe the 49ers pull it off. Cut ties with Jimmy G.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Feb 19, 2021 18:20:38 GMT -5
I'm gonna say the Jets draft Wilson at 2, Sam Darnold gets traded to the Bears. As for Watson, Im not sure. I think Denver is a possibility or maybe the 49ers pull it off. Cut ties with Jimmy G. To me this is a pretty good guess. The Jets aren't trading with N.E.
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Post by JoeyCush on Feb 20, 2021 9:10:44 GMT -5
I'm gonna say the Jets draft Wilson at 2, Sam Darnold gets traded to the Bears. As for Watson, Im not sure. I think Denver is a possibility or maybe the 49ers pull it off. Cut ties with Jimmy G. To me this is a pretty good guess. The Jets aren't trading with N.E. I really thought the Jets were gonna pull the trigger on Watson because they are one of the teams with the most capital. They can give up 3 1st round picks and still have a 1st next year. Thought they would want to make a splash move but it doesnt look that will happen. I wonder if NE makes a move for a QB, read that they could be interested in Mariota.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Feb 20, 2021 11:37:42 GMT -5
To me this is a pretty good guess. The Jets aren't trading with N.E. I really thought the Jets were gonna pull the trigger on Watson because they are one of the teams with the most capital. They can give up 3 1st round picks and still have a 1st next year. Thought they would want to make a splash move but it doesnt look that will happen. I wonder if NE makes a move for a QB, read that they could be interested in Mariota. Yes Mariota is receiving a lot of talk on TV and radio. He could have a chance to bounce back. Never thought he was that bad. Also was never really sold on him. Too much to live up to as the 2nd player in the draft. He can probably throw better than Newton and he can run too. I wouldn't think he would cost N.E. that much, there should be a number of QB's looking for redemption with a 2nd chance. I think the Jets would be better off going with one of the rookie QB's this season. Trade Darnell get what you can and move on, don't know what he'd be worth. Could they get the same as Philly got for Wentz ? Darnells salary is a rookie contract for this year and the option year next season. Maybe they could get more he suppose to be a good guy and he does get a pass getting away from that idiot Gase. If the new coach believes in Darnell trade out of the 2nd pick for a handful of 1st and 2nd rd picks. I like the Jets rebuild chances with all these top picks rather than go Watson and give up this treasure of picks. Think the team would be stronger in the long run with the picks than with a great QB and an empty cabinet. The Jets do have 2 first rd picks this year and next. I believe they also have 2 3rd rd picks if they want to move up into the 2nd rd. Not sure if they have a 2nd rd pick.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Feb 22, 2021 12:20:21 GMT -5
Ian Rapoport th3eSponmsgored · The Jets are planning to complete their evaluations of the top QBs in the NFL Draft before making any decisions on Sam Darnold, sources say. That includes Pro Days and interviews. While they’ve received real interest in Darnold, they want to get the full QB picture first.
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Post by giantlegacy on Feb 23, 2021 8:27:47 GMT -5
Ian Rapoport th3eSponmsgored · The Jets are planning to complete their evaluations of the top QBs in the NFL Draft before making any decisions on Sam Darnold, sources say. That includes Pro Days and interviews. While they’ve received real interest in Darnold, they want to get the full QB picture first. With ths luxury of a 2nd 1st round pick and 2 1sts next year they are much better off doing a qb reset on a rookie deal with where they are picking
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Post by Sarcasman on Feb 23, 2021 11:01:45 GMT -5
Cam said he would like to stay in NE It’s doubtful that happens. NE would have had the same results last year with Stidham
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Post by TheAnalyst on Feb 23, 2021 11:50:24 GMT -5
What an amazing time right now.
Wilson, Rodgers and Watson are all possibly available to trade for right now. Wilson and Rodgers are HOFers with tread on the tires. Watson is a great young QB.
I would trade for all 3 of them right now for the Giants. Unfortunately they would want more than what I would give up though since the Giants still have a lot of holes. A team like SF or Miami though? Id go all in.
Hell, I wonder if at this point those teams trade with each other. Wilson to Houston for Watson and a pick?
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Post by Sarcasman on Feb 23, 2021 12:21:30 GMT -5
What an amazing time right now. Wilson, Rodgers and Watson are all possibly available to trade for right now. Wilson and Rodgers are HOFers with tread on the tires. Watson is a great young QB. I would trade for all 3 of them right now for the Giants. Unfortunately they would want more than what I would give up though since the Giants still have a lot of holes. A team like SF or Miami though? Id go all in. Hell, I wonder if at this point those teams trade with each other. Wilson to Houston for Watson and a pick? I don’t think any of them are actually available. And if they were Watson is about the only one worth trying for. Perhaps Wilson but that window won’t be open for long.
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Post by Morehead State on Feb 23, 2021 15:44:25 GMT -5
What an amazing time right now. Wilson, Rodgers and Watson are all possibly available to trade for right now. Wilson and Rodgers are HOFers with tread on the tires. Watson is a great young QB. I would trade for all 3 of them right now for the Giants. Unfortunately they would want more than what I would give up though since the Giants still have a lot of holes. A team like SF or Miami though? Id go all in. Hell, I wonder if at this point those teams trade with each other. Wilson to Houston for Watson and a pick? Possibly?
I would be shocked in Wilson and Rodgers are available at all.....and I continue to believe that the Texans don't have any intention of trading Watson at this time. That all depends on their communication from here on.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Feb 23, 2021 15:49:01 GMT -5
What an amazing time right now. Wilson, Rodgers and Watson are all possibly available to trade for right now. Wilson and Rodgers are HOFers with tread on the tires. Watson is a great young QB. I would trade for all 3 of them right now for the Giants. Unfortunately they would want more than what I would give up though since the Giants still have a lot of holes. A team like SF or Miami though? Id go all in. Hell, I wonder if at this point those teams trade with each other. Wilson to Houston for Watson and a pick? Possibly?
I would be shocked in Wilson and Rodgers are available at all.....and I continue to believe that the Texans don't have any intention of trading Watson at this time. That all depends on their communication from here on.
Lets just put it this way, there are rumors and trade requests/inquiries being made for all 3. I don't know how Houston can keep him there after the rumored fallout. I think he goes tot he highest bidder, or will be a possible holdout/ disgruntled camper.
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Post by Delicreep on Feb 23, 2021 18:43:57 GMT -5
Possibly?
I would be shocked in Wilson and Rodgers are available at all.....and I continue to believe that the Texans don't have any intention of trading Watson at this time. That all depends on their communication from here on.
Lets just put it this way, there are rumors and trade requests/inquiries being made for all 3. I don't know how Houston can keep him there after the rumored fallout. I think he goes tot he highest bidder, or will be a possible holdout/ disgruntled camper. Face of the franchise, leader of the team...how do you keep him around if he publicly hates and mistrusts the team? Seems like the kind of thing that's not going to work out.
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Post by giantlegacy on Feb 23, 2021 19:52:00 GMT -5
Steelers want Big Ben back
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Post by Morehead State on Feb 23, 2021 22:50:02 GMT -5
Lets just put it this way, there are rumors and trade requests/inquiries being made for all 3. I don't know how Houston can keep him there after the rumored fallout. I think he goes tot he highest bidder, or will be a possible holdout/ disgruntled camper. Face of the franchise, leader of the team...how do you keep him around if he publicly hates and mistrusts the team? Seems like the kind of thing that's not going to work out. He'll probably get over it.
Honestly, I don't see a trading partner.
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Post by Delicreep on Feb 24, 2021 8:34:19 GMT -5
Face of the franchise, leader of the team...how do you keep him around if he publicly hates and mistrusts the team? Seems like the kind of thing that's not going to work out. He'll probably get over it.
Honestly, I don't see a trading partner.
That may be, and I can't see them discounting him unless he becomes a major distraction. If he is truly unhappy, I can see him becoming that distraction.
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