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Post by McCherry on Jan 24, 2021 15:39:16 GMT -5
Chris Godwin WR
Shaq Barrett LB
Regardless of the financials, Barrett is the only pass rusher I would really consider. Godwin would be a good addition to pair with a high draft pick.
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Post by thetruth on Jan 24, 2021 15:41:42 GMT -5
Chris Godwin WR Shaq Barrett LB Regardless of the financials, Barrett is the only pass rusher I would really consider. Godwin would be a good addition to pair with a high draft pick. Or JPP by trade? maybe Gettlemen can trade that 3rd rounder he got for him. Must be nice to have two edge rushers instead of none. |
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Post by McCherry on Jan 24, 2021 15:58:55 GMT -5
Chris Godwin WR Shaq Barrett LB Regardless of the financials, Barrett is the only pass rusher I would really consider. Godwin would be a good addition to pair with a high draft pick. Or JPP by trade? maybe Gettlemen can trade that 3rd rounder he got for him. Must be nice to have two edge rushers instead of none. We traded him away, now we’re going to trade back for him? |
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Post by thetruth on Jan 24, 2021 16:05:43 GMT -5
Or JPP by trade? maybe Gettlemen can trade that 3rd rounder he got for him. Must be nice to have two edge rushers instead of none. We traded him away, now we’re going to trade back for him? I was more trying to point out how stupid that transaction was. Though, to get back to this thread, both Godwin and Barrett would be great signings |
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Post by 80sdreincarnate on Jan 25, 2021 9:23:41 GMT -5
I don't wanna flood the board with new topics so forgive me if this is a bit off the topic. However looking at FAs requires capspace. What do you guys think they will do with Zeitler? He is kind of a Catch 22 in that he's the oldest of our Oline and the most expensive of our Oline, but he's also the best of the Oline. His cap # of $12 million can not be carried. So they either need to extend him into his mid-30s to drastically reduce it, or waive the best player from their weakest unit. It's a very tough call for me. I liked the look of Lemieux, but I'd almost rather replace Hernandez with him. Hernandez has been extremely disappointing.
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Post by Kruunch on Jan 25, 2021 10:27:59 GMT -5
After his 3 sack performance in the NFC Championship, I’m sure many teams will be interested in his services.
Where do I sign up? Only thing that concerns me is he will be 29 next season. Other than that he will be a major upgrade to what is a depleted position. I’m sure, there will be some PFF nuts who will say his run defense is not worth it. And we should be looking in another direction.. Like giving Lorenzo Carter a contract extension..
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Jan 25, 2021 10:55:53 GMT -5
Chris Godwin WR Shaq Barrett LB Regardless of the financials, Barrett is the only pass rusher I would really consider. Godwin would be a good addition to pair with a high draft pick. I believe Barrett led the league in sacks 2 years ago. Be interesting if Tampa doesn't find a way to keep both of these guys. Personally I think they kick the can down the road and sign both these guys as long as Brady is their QB.
Godwin seems to drop an awful lot of passes to me. But as long as Brady plays even though they do have a load of talent at the WR position Godwin just seems to much of a weapon to not keep for at least another year or two.
In 2 years Tampa can go young QB, young coach, and cut loose the extra money they spent these next 2 years and rebuild young. It's what I would do anyway. After all they didn't sign Brady to build a young team.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 25, 2021 11:05:44 GMT -5
After his 3 sack performance in the NFC Championship, I’m sure many teams will be interested in his services. Where do I sign up? Only think that concerns me is he will be 29 next season. Other than that he will be a major upgrade to what is a depleted position. I’m sure, there will be some PFF nuts who will say his run defense is not worth it. And we should be looking in another direction.. Like giving Lorenzo Carter a contract extension.. 3 year deal but I don't know how I would fit him in bringing back both Williams and Tomlinson (a must IMO)...unless its one of those 5 year deals that is actually a 3 year deal and the 2021 number is tiny with the guaranteed money in year 2 or 3 I'd rather get the pass rusher to add to what we have than anything else in free agency for a non Giants signee.. We would have some work to do.... Extensions to Zeitler and Bradbury along with cuts to Tate,Solder,Toiholo(sp)and Mayo could free up enough space for this year and we still have a vast amount of space in 2022 and beyond to do all this |
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Jan 25, 2021 11:13:32 GMT -5
I don't wanna flood the board with new topics so forgive me if this is a bit off the topic. However looking at FAs requires capspace. What do you guys think they will do with Zeitler? He is kind of a Catch 22 in that he's the oldest of our Oline and the most expensive of our Oline, but he's also the best of the Oline. His cap # of $12 million can not be carried. So they either need to extend him into his mid-30s to drastically reduce it, or waive the best player from their weakest unit. It's a very tough call for me. I liked the look of Lemieux, but I'd almost rather replace Hernandez with him. Hernandez has been extremely disappointing. I wouldn't be in such a hurry to do anything at this time. Lets see what the cap winds up at. I would wait and see what we need to do after signings in FA. Other teams have OL getting paid this type money. If the cap does go down a large number of players might have to renegotiate. Don't think the league and especially players union would allow this to happen. TV contracts not finalized yet, that will decide a lot.
We might have to extend him a year or two with guaranteed money. This would be the way to keep him and lower the cap hit. I hope he stays.
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Post by McCherry on Jan 25, 2021 11:28:16 GMT -5
Chris Godwin was being mentioned as a possibility before yesterday. I think he's the more realistic option from that team. 65 catches, 7 TD's 12.9 yds per catch. He's a more versatile version of Shepard and only 24 years old. If we drafted a Terrance Marshall or Nico Collins this would be a serious upgrade of the WR corps.
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Post by 80sdreincarnate on Jan 25, 2021 11:32:58 GMT -5
Chris Godwin was being mentioned as a possibility before yesterday. I think he's the more realistic option from that team. 65 catches, 7 TD's 12.9 yds per catch. He's a more versatile version of Shepard and only 24 years old. If we drafted a Terrance Marshall or Nico Collins this would be a serious upgrade of the WR corps. I don't think there is anything we can do from a cap standpoint to afford Golladay, Robinson, or Godwin unless we let Leonard Williams walk. Teams like the Jets & Jags have $80 million+, even more if the cap goes up. These teams are gonna be lining up for playmakers for young QBs. All 3 of those guys will get $15 million a year or more with big guarantees. |
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Post by jaymas on Jan 25, 2021 11:38:05 GMT -5
Chris Godwin was being mentioned as a possibility before yesterday. I think he's the more realistic option from that team. 65 catches, 7 TD's 12.9 yds per catch. He's a more versatile version of Shepard and only 24 years old. If we drafted a Terrance Marshall or Nico Collins this would be a serious upgrade of the WR corps. I mean, when he's healthy, he's a top 10 receiver. Put up 65 and 840 in 12 games and played some of them banged up. He's easily the best WR in the free agent class, in my eyes. Much more of a vertical threat than Shep too. If we can nab Godwin, that would be a dream come true. Can't see TB letting him get away though. |
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Post by McCherry on Jan 25, 2021 11:38:32 GMT -5
Chris Godwin was being mentioned as a possibility before yesterday. I think he's the more realistic option from that team. 65 catches, 7 TD's 12.9 yds per catch. He's a more versatile version of Shepard and only 24 years old. If we drafted a Terrance Marshall or Nico Collins this would be a serious upgrade of the WR corps. . Teams like the Jets & Jags have $80 million+, even more if the cap goes up. These teams are gonna be lining up for playmakers for young QBs. All 3 of those guys will get $15 million a year or more with big guarantees. It all depends on how we restructure our cap. There's a lot of space to be created by the moves we discussed on the other thread. Robinson or Golladay will get big contacts that might be out of range. Godwin and Samuels aren't. |
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Post by 80sdreincarnate on Jan 25, 2021 11:44:19 GMT -5
I don't think there is anything we can do from a cap standpoint to afford Golladay, Robinson, or Godwin unless we let Leonard Williams walk. Teams like the Jets & Jags have $80 million+, even more if the cap goes up. These teams are gonna be lining up for playmakers for young QBs. All 3 of those guys will get $15 million a year or more with big guarantees. It all depends on how we restructure our cap. There's a lot of space to be created by the moves we discussed on the other thread. Robinson or Golladay will get big contacts that might be out of range. Godwin and Samuels aren't. We need to create $15 million in caproom just for Williams. Probably need to create another $7-8 for Tomlinson. We probably need $40 million in caproom to realistically compete for a top WR if we bring them back. At least $30 million if we are letting Tomlinson walk. And even then it will come down to how far other teams are gonna push the WR market. We will have a limit as to where we can go, those other teams wont. The $10 million hit from Solder coming back is a major blow. And thats assuming we cut him or its $16 million. If we wait until June 1 to cut him we get no savings at all during the FA period. |
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Post by McCherry on Jan 25, 2021 12:01:53 GMT -5
It all depends on how we restructure our cap. There's a lot of space to be created by the moves we discussed on the other thread. Robinson or Golladay will get big contacts that might be out of range. Godwin and Samuels aren't. We need to create $15 million in caproom just for Williams. Probably need to create another $7-8 for Tomlinson. We probably need $40 million in caproom to realistically compete for a top WR if we bring them back. At least $30 million if we are letting Tomlinson walk. And even then it will come down to how far other teams are gonna push the WR market. We will have a limit as to where we can go, those other teams wont. The $10 million hit from Solder coming back is a major blow. And thats assuming we cut him or its $16 million. If we wait until June 1 to cut him we get no savings at all during the FA period. I dont' think there’s any way Solder is on the roster this year. The Giants will save $6M by cutting him, that's a major relief. |
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Post by TCHOF on Jan 25, 2021 12:04:08 GMT -5
I don't think that we go the Robinson/Golloday/Godwin route.
I think we go more mid-level in free agency (think Samuel, Davis, Lazard, etc.) and add an early-round WR/TE in the draft.
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Post by jaymas on Jan 25, 2021 12:28:36 GMT -5
I don't think that we go the Robinson/Golloday/Godwin route. I think we go more mid-level in free agency (think Samuel, Davis, Lazard, etc.) and add an early-round WR/TE in the draft. I think this could potentially work and would be on board with it, as long as our first round pick is a WR or Pitts. Sounds like a fun offense to me with Barkley back healthy. Would only be on Garrett and Judge if that didn't work when you think about what would be on paper. |
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Post by Fletch842 on Jan 25, 2021 12:29:13 GMT -5
I don't think that we go the Robinson/Golloday/Godwin route. I think we go more mid-level in free agency (think Samuel, Davis, Lazard, etc.) and add an early-round WR/TE in the draft. with the quality and quantity of really good wr's coming out of college, this is more the route I would take as well. |
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Post by McCherry on Jan 25, 2021 12:39:53 GMT -5
I don't think that we go the Robinson/Golloday/Godwin route. I think we go more mid-level in free agency (think Samuel, Davis, Lazard, etc.) and add an early-round WR/TE in the draft. I think Godwin is in that second class. He and Samuel are very similar players with similar numbers. |
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jan 25, 2021 12:48:45 GMT -5
Are we still over the cap, before resigning Leo Williams and/or Tomlinson and/or Martinez?
Yeah, I don't think we have the finances.
I fully expect the Jags to be in that crowd though. 2nd most cap in the NFL and only a few hours away. Still no state income taxes on that fat deal.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 25, 2021 13:01:23 GMT -5
I don't wanna flood the board with new topics so forgive me if this is a bit off the topic. However looking at FAs requires capspace. What do you guys think they will do with Zeitler? He is kind of a Catch 22 in that he's the oldest of our Oline and the most expensive of our Oline, but he's also the best of the Oline. His cap # of $12 million can not be carried. So they either need to extend him into his mid-30s to drastically reduce it, or waive the best player from their weakest unit. It's a very tough call for me. I liked the look of Lemieux, but I'd almost rather replace Hernandez with him. Hernandez has been extremely disappointing. Zietler is a tough call I hate to see him go he is still atop 7 to 5 Guard in the league. Lemieux needs to get his Passpro in order he was worse then bad doing it he looks athletic enough maybe an offseason of work he can get it to respectable. Hernandez is average some say the scheme isn't conducive to his skill set the Giants should be doing everything they can to get him comfortable he is never completely terrible but he never gets to the next level the talent is there don't know if he processes fast enough. As you said cap is an issue think they should keep building through the Draft and if the can get enough cap space keep the defense in-tacked. If they find there is enough to by a weapon go get one if not draft couple. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 25, 2021 13:07:22 GMT -5
I don't think that we go the Robinson/Golloday/Godwin route. I think we go more mid-level in free agency (think Samuel, Davis, Lazard, etc.) and add an early-round WR/TE in the draft. with the quality and quantity of really good wr's coming out of college, this is more the route I would take as well. The reason next year they will have 90 something mill and the following year 121 mill is exactly what your saying draft. It takes time when the team is down to the studs but the rewards are a healthy cap. now those numbers are gonna come down some because there will be guy on our roster we will resign. without the covid the Giants would of had enough to pay Williams and Tomlinson. Judge said one thing they agreed on they are gonna do this right and the right way is mostly through the draft. It gives a team sustainable success not like the Albatros of 2016. |
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Post by McCherry on Jan 25, 2021 13:08:21 GMT -5
Are we still over the cap, before resigning Leo Williams and/or Tomlinson and/or Martinez? Yeah, I don't think we have the finances. I fully expect the Jags to be in that crowd though. 2nd most cap in the NFL and only a few hours away. Still no state income taxes on that fat deal. The NFL year doesn't officially start until Feb 5th. I don't think you'll see us addressing any contracts at least until then. |
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Post by jaymas on Jan 25, 2021 13:31:18 GMT -5
I don't think that we go the Robinson/Golloday/Godwin route. I think we go more mid-level in free agency (think Samuel, Davis, Lazard, etc.) and add an early-round WR/TE in the draft. I think Godwin is in that second class. He and Samuel are very similar players with similar numbers. Chris Godwin is an on the bubble of an elite receiver, and flat out was one in 2019. I like Curtis Samuel, but Godwin is a far better player thus far in their careers. He had 1330 yards and 9 tds in 15 games during the 2019 season, good for third in the league and he missed a game. His 16 game pace this year was over 1200 yards, and would have had 9, 10 TDs on that pace. Curtis Samuel had Godwin's receving numbers this year in 15 games, but wasn't close on TDs and never had another year sniffing Godwin's 2020, 2019, and only this year did he even match Godwin's 2018 production (just on the yardage front). If Chris Godwin hits the market there is a chance he gets the most money considering he's only 24, was one of the top 5 receivers in football in 2019 and probably is a top 10 receiver currently. Not entirely sure where your assessment is coming from. Overall in their careers, Godwin has 50 more catches, nearly 1500 more yards, 10 more TDs, and averages over 3 yards more per catch than Samuel (they both came into the league in 2017). Physically, he's also 2 inches taller and 15 lbs heavier than Curtis Samuel. I'd actually go as far as saying, I can't find a single thing that makes them similar players. Godwin is bigger, faster, more explosive, and more productive during the same exact period of time. The only difference being, that Samuel's injury his rookie year caused him to miss a few more games than Godwin did this year. |
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Post by McCherry on Jan 25, 2021 16:46:19 GMT -5
I think Godwin is in that second class. He and Samuel are very similar players with similar numbers. Chris Godwin is an on the bubble of an elite receiver, and flat out was one in 2019. I like Curtis Samuel, but Godwin is a far better player thus far in their careers. He had 1330 yards and 9 tds in 15 games during the 2019 season, good for third in the league and he missed a game. His 16 game pace this year was over 1200 yards, and would have had 9, 10 TDs on that pace. Curtis Samuel had Godwin's receving numbers this year in 15 games, but wasn't close on TDs and never had another year sniffing Godwin's 2020, 2019, and only this year did he even match Godwin's 2018 production (just on the yardage front). If Chris Godwin hits the market there is a chance he gets the most money considering he's only 24, was one of the top 5 receivers in football in 2019 and probably is a top 10 receiver currently. Not entirely sure where your assessment is coming from. Overall in their careers, Godwin has 50 more catches, nearly 1500 more yards, 10 more TDs, and averages over 3 yards more per catch than Samuel (they both came into the league in 2017). Physically, he's also 2 inches taller and 15 lbs heavier than Curtis Samuel. I'd actually go as far as saying, I can't find a single thing that makes them similar players. Godwin is bigger, faster, more explosive, and more productive during the same exact period of time. The only difference being, that Samuel's injury his rookie year caused him to miss a few more games than Godwin did this year. Godwin’s had a better career for sure. He’s also had better QB’s. They’re similar in size, speed and what they do on the field. I think Samuel showed an upside this season where he could up similar numbers moving forward. I think they’re contracts won’t be so different, though Godwin is changing his market with his postseason play. Godwin is ahead but they’re not miles apart. |
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Post by snyder55 on Jan 25, 2021 16:55:35 GMT -5
I have the feeling that when free agency comes around we will be like a kid looking in the candy store window with our tongues hanging out because we have no money to buy...unless we gut some talent from the team to improve it, and that sounds a little counter productive. to me..
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Post by Kruunch on Jan 25, 2021 17:00:38 GMT -5
I have the feeling that when free agency comes around we will be like a kid looking in the candy store window with our tongues hanging out because we have no money to buy...unless we gut some talent from the team to improve it, and that sounds a little counter productive. to me.. That’s where Gettleman has to earn his keep. It’s easy to plug a hole when you have money to do so. What separates the good general managers from the great ones is they are constantly replenishing the talent on the team. They invest wisely in free agency, and hit more than they miss in the draft. Being free agent winners doesn’t always equate to winning seasons. But, sitting on your hands and trying to rub two pennies together doesn’t either. Important offseason to say the least. |
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Post by snyder55 on Jan 27, 2021 17:01:32 GMT -5
Chris Godwin WR Shaq Barrett LB Regardless of the financials, Barrett is the only pass rusher I would really consider. Godwin would be a good addition to pair with a high draft pick. i like it.. |
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