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Post by 80sdreincarnate on Jan 27, 2021 21:15:32 GMT -5
Our old pal Romeo is back on the FA market. Had an excellent 2020 season. If Williams price gets too steep could he be a cheaper option for a DE rotation in a 3-4? I liked him when he was here.
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Post by TCHOF on Jan 27, 2021 21:25:36 GMT -5
Our old pal Romeo is back on the FA market. Had an excellent 2020 season. If Williams price gets too steep could he be a cheaper option for a DE rotation in a 3-4? I liked him when he was here. Replacing Leo with Okwara is an absolute doomsday scenario |
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Post by 80sdreincarnate on Jan 27, 2021 21:29:05 GMT -5
Our old pal Romeo is back on the FA market. Had an excellent 2020 season. If Williams price gets too steep could he be a cheaper option for a DE rotation in a 3-4? I liked him when he was here. Replacing Leo with Okwara is an absolute doomsday scenario Okwara will be 40% the price and had 10 sacks which is more than Williams had any year up until this one. Im leaning towards letting Williams walk at this point. |
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Post by TCHOF on Jan 27, 2021 21:50:44 GMT -5
Replacing Leo with Okwara is an absolute doomsday scenario Okwara will be 40% the price and had 10 sacks which is more than Williams had any year up until this one. Im leaning towards letting Williams walk at this point. As I said, doomsday scenario |
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Post by 80sdreincarnate on Jan 27, 2021 21:57:19 GMT -5
Okwara will be 40% the price and had 10 sacks which is more than Williams had any year up until this one. Im leaning towards letting Williams walk at this point. As I said, doomsday scenario Okwara Tomlinson for the price of Williams wouldn’t be doomsday from my perspective. We shall see. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 27, 2021 22:02:42 GMT -5
Our old pal Romeo is back on the FA market. Had an excellent 2020 season. If Williams price gets too steep could he be a cheaper option for a DE rotation in a 3-4? I liked him when he was here. Replacing Leo with Okwara is an absolute doomsday scenario Another replacing Strawberry with Bonilla situation |
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Post by Fletch842 on Jan 28, 2021 6:59:27 GMT -5
Wasn't he used more as a standup LB by the Lions? I don't see him as a replacement for LW
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Post by 80sdreincarnate on Jan 28, 2021 8:32:17 GMT -5
Wasn't he used more as a standup LB by the Lions? I don't see him as a replacement for LW Patricia mixed a lot of 4-3 and 3-4 sets. He was playing DE in both. Guy was good here and he's been good there. If Williams is trying to milk every penny he can get he becomes far too risky to retain. If we wants 4/48 or 5/60 with big guarantees I'm for bringing him back, if his # starts pushing much beyond there cut bait. |
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Post by Fletch842 on Jan 29, 2021 7:25:52 GMT -5
Wasn't he used more as a standup LB by the Lions? I don't see him as a replacement for LW Patricia mixed a lot of 4-3 and 3-4 sets. He was playing DE in both. Guy was good here and he's been good there. If Williams is trying to milk every penny he can get he becomes far too risky to retain. If we wants 4/48 or 5/60 with big guarantees I'm for bringing him back, if his # starts pushing much beyond there cut bait. not a snowballs chance in hell that LW signs for those #'s. I'm thinking he'll get somewhere in the 19M - 21M/year average from us or someone else. |
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Post by 80sdreincarnate on Jan 29, 2021 8:23:39 GMT -5
Patricia mixed a lot of 4-3 and 3-4 sets. He was playing DE in both. Guy was good here and he's been good there. If Williams is trying to milk every penny he can get he becomes far too risky to retain. If we wants 4/48 or 5/60 with big guarantees I'm for bringing him back, if his # starts pushing much beyond there cut bait. not a snowballs chance in hell that LW signs for those #'s. I'm thinking he'll get somewhere in the 19M - 21M/year average from us or someone else. If it's even close to that it needs to be from someone else. |
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Post by fifthavephil on Jan 29, 2021 11:12:30 GMT -5
not a snowballs chance in hell that LW signs for those #'s. I'm thinking he'll get somewhere in the 19M - 21M/year average from us or someone else. If it's even close to that it needs to be from someone else. It would be ironic if LW signs with the Jets. Jets , have a huge cap space and new HC , Salah is a defensive coach ( Bosa & Buckner ) |
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Post by 80sdreincarnate on Jan 29, 2021 12:25:48 GMT -5
If Williams is getting QB money you have to let him walk. The fact of the matter is 2020 is not his norm and 2020 included a lot of sacks/pressures v decimated Olines.
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Post by Fletch842 on Jan 29, 2021 17:59:49 GMT -5
not a snowballs chance in hell that LW signs for those #'s. I'm thinking he'll get somewhere in the 19M - 21M/year average from us or someone else. If it's even close to that it needs to be from someone else. take a look at the top 5 salaries for DE's and DT's. It's not outrageous in todays market, crazy as it sounds. |
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Jan 29, 2021 18:49:30 GMT -5
If Williams is getting QB money you have to let him walk. The fact of the matter is 2020 is not his norm and 2020 included a lot of sacks/pressures v decimated Olines. 20 mil a year is not even close to QB money anymore. QB money starts at 35 mil per year. DE money, LT, and CB are the next big paydays. |
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Post by TEM on Jan 29, 2021 18:56:23 GMT -5
If Williams is getting QB money you have to let him walk. The fact of the matter is 2020 is not his norm and 2020 included a lot of sacks/pressures v decimated Olines. 20 mil a year is not even close to QB money anymore. QB money starts at 35 mil per year. DE money, LT, and CB are the next big paydays. When the cap is 175. It is difficult to field a competitive team paying a QB 35+ That is 20% of the cap on one player. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 29, 2021 19:34:23 GMT -5
20 mil a year is not even close to QB money anymore. QB money starts at 35 mil per year. DE money, LT, and CB are the next big paydays. When the cap is 175. It is difficult to field a competitive team paying a QB 35+ That is 20% of the cap on one player. Consider ourselves lucky next year in that ours is still on a rookie deal And we have certain fools calling me names and attacking me because I say bringing in Watson isn't going to make the team better at this point because of what we will not only have to give up pick wise but in players we will have to let walk |
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Post by TEM on Jan 29, 2021 19:42:34 GMT -5
When the cap is 175. It is difficult to field a competitive team paying a QB 35+ That is 20% of the cap on one player. Consider ourselves lucky next year in that ours is still on a rookie deal And we have certain fools calling me names and attacking me because I say bringing in Watson isn't going to make the team better at this point because of what we will not only have to give up pick wise but in players we will have to let walk The talking heads can say all they want. About how great he is. Only an idiot would want that contract in this cap environment. Because you ain't winning s### paying one player that much of your cap space. |
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Jan 29, 2021 21:16:12 GMT -5
20 mil a year is not even close to QB money anymore. QB money starts at 35 mil per year. DE money, LT, and CB are the next big paydays. When the cap is 175. It is difficult to field a competitive team paying a QB 35+ That is 20% of the cap on one player. Yet 8 out of 10 QB's were making 30 mil or more last year 2020 season. Dak sat out at 31.4 mil, and Tannerhill is right at the threshold 29.5. Lamar Jackson will be joining them either in 2021 or 2022. Ravens are going to be forced to sign him before his rookie contract is up. I think Deshaun Watson is in there also but didn't see his name. Mahomes 45 mil Wilson 35 Ben 34 Rogers 33.5 Goff 33.5 Cousins 33 Wentz 32 Ryan 30 How many on their first contract will be added to this list. It's the cost of doing business, just sayin this is what it costs to have a franchise QB. |
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Post by 80sdreincarnate on Jan 30, 2021 8:00:56 GMT -5
If Williams is getting QB money you have to let him walk. The fact of the matter is 2020 is not his norm and 2020 included a lot of sacks/pressures v decimated Olines. 20 mil a year is not even close to QB money anymore. QB money starts at 35 mil per year. DE money, LT, and CB are the next big paydays. There were only 25 players making $20 million or more, 2 retired. And 3 will be released as cap casualties if they don’t redo their deals. Leonard Williams is not one of those types of players. |
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Jan 30, 2021 13:32:18 GMT -5
20 mil a year is not even close to QB money anymore. QB money starts at 35 mil per year. DE money, LT, and CB are the next big paydays. There were only 25 players making $20 million or more, 2 retired. And 3 will be released as cap casualties if they don’t redo their deals. Leonard Williams is not one of those types of players. Maybe your right. But I want Williams back though, so If it was up to me I would sign him. If it costs 20 mil so be it I want this defense intact. Don't worry they haven't listened to me for over 50 years. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 30, 2021 17:00:47 GMT -5
20 mil a year is not even close to QB money anymore. QB money starts at 35 mil per year. DE money, LT, and CB are the next big paydays. When the cap is 175. It is difficult to field a competitive team paying a QB 35+ That is 20% of the cap on one player. The cap was supposed to be around 208 mill at the least last years was 198 that is a huge loss. There are a lot of estimates out there 195 to 180 175 was the Guaranteed low lets hope it's a bit. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 30, 2021 17:27:59 GMT -5
When the cap is 175. It is difficult to field a competitive team paying a QB 35+ That is 20% of the cap on one player. Consider ourselves lucky next year in that ours is still on a rookie deal And we have certain fools calling me names and attacking me because I say bringing in Watson isn't going to make the team better at this point because of what we will not only have to give up pick wise but in players we will have to let walk LOL he is a great player but he isn't gonna save the day what did he do in Huston no talent around QB no win don't care who it is. Your money dude, we don't have he money well we do if we wanna wreck the cap the next 2 to 4 years. We don't have the draft assets give them away and Watson is in the same boat as he was in Huston playing with nothing and winning 5 games a year. We don't have a collection of first and second round picks to trade, we would have to give upThe next 2 or 3 years 1st rounders and probably add a second rounder or 2. Then when were going 4-12 and 6-10 those same people will be pissed while Huston stacks their team with our picks no thanks we have a good cap situation coming up and I prefer to keep our future picks and continue to build through the draft. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 30, 2021 17:33:19 GMT -5
Consider ourselves lucky next year in that ours is still on a rookie deal And we have certain fools calling me names and attacking me because I say bringing in Watson isn't going to make the team better at this point because of what we will not only have to give up pick wise but in players we will have to let walk The talking heads can say all they want. About how great he is. Only an idiot would want that contract in this cap environment. Because you ain't winning s### paying one player that much of your cap space. Rumor has it they are gonna possibly borrow money from next years cap so that they can keep this year around 195 mill maybe even stay at 198 it all still has to negotiated but TV contracts are coming up the next 2 years and the cap is expected to go way up. That said still not making that trade the draft assets alone will kill the team. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 30, 2021 17:36:08 GMT -5
When the cap is 175. It is difficult to field a competitive team paying a QB 35+ That is 20% of the cap on one player. Yet 8 out of 10 QB's were making 30 mil or more last year 2020 season. Dak sat out at 31.4 mil, and Tannerhill is right at the threshold 29.5. Lamar Jackson will be joining them either in 2021 or 2022. Ravens are going to be forced to sign him before his rookie contract is up. I think Deshaun Watson is in there also but didn't see his name. Mahomes 45 mil Wilson 35 Ben 34 Rogers 33.5 Goff 33.5 Cousins 33 Wentz 32 Ryan 30 How many on their first contract will be added to this list. It's the cost of doing business, just sayin this is what it costs to have a franchise QB. I saw at glance he just signed a 156 mill contract don'yt know the years. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 30, 2021 17:40:50 GMT -5
When the cap is 175. It is difficult to field a competitive team paying a QB 35+ That is 20% of the cap on one player. Yet 8 out of 10 QB's were making 30 mil or more last year 2020 season. Dak sat out at 31.4 mil, and Tannerhill is right at the threshold 29.5. Lamar Jackson will be joining them either in 2021 or 2022. Ravens are going to be forced to sign him before his rookie contract is up. I think Deshaun Watson is in there also but didn't see his name. Mahomes 45 mil Wilson 35 Ben 34 Rogers 33.5 Goff 33.5 Cousins 33 Wentz 32 Ryan 30 How many on their first contract will be added to this list. It's the cost of doing business, just sayin this is what it costs to have a franchise QB. Looked at watsons contract breakdown it looks to be back loaded 2021 15 mill 2022 42 mill 2023 40 mill 2024 32 mill 2025 30 mill |
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Jan 30, 2021 17:58:17 GMT -5
Yet 8 out of 10 QB's were making 30 mil or more last year 2020 season. Dak sat out at 31.4 mil, and Tannerhill is right at the threshold 29.5. Lamar Jackson will be joining them either in 2021 or 2022. Ravens are going to be forced to sign him before his rookie contract is up. I think Deshaun Watson is in there also but didn't see his name. Mahomes 45 mil Wilson 35 Ben 34 Rogers 33.5 Goff 33.5 Cousins 33 Wentz 32 Ryan 30 How many on their first contract will be added to this list. It's the cost of doing business, just sayin this is what it costs to have a franchise QB. Looked at watsons contract breakdown it looks to be back loaded 2021 15 mill 2022 42 mill 2023 40 mill 2024 32 mill 2025 30 mill Oh wow ! Next year great cap hit for the team. but why didn't they put big money years in the llast 2 years of the contract when the cap would be assumed to be higher and not such aa significant hit ? If the money is guaranteed Watson wouldn't be losing anything. Still the contract would be easy to trade, teams can absorb it fairly easy. You have 2 years to prepare for those 40 mil dollar years. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 30, 2021 20:47:18 GMT -5
Looked at watsons contract breakdown it looks to be back loaded 2021 15 mill 2022 42 mill 2023 40 mill 2024 32 mill 2025 30 mill Oh wow ! Next year great cap hit for the team. but why didn't they put big money years in the llast 2 years of the contract when the cap would be assumed to be higher and not such aa significant hit ? If the money is guaranteed Watson wouldn't be losing anything. Still the contract would be easy to trade, teams can absorb it fairly easy. You have 2 years to prepare for those 40 mil dollar years. They only know the answer most teams are trying to front load contracts thats what the Giants did with most if not all of their recent signings. |
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Post by snyder55 on Jan 31, 2021 17:23:51 GMT -5
When the cap is 175. It is difficult to field a competitive team paying a QB 35+ That is 20% of the cap on one player. Consider ourselves lucky next year in that ours is still on a rookie deal And we have certain fools calling me names and attacking me because I say bringing in Watson isn't going to make the team better at this point because of what we will not only have to give up pick wise but in players we will have to let walk Watson is a classic example of why one player no matter how talented he is simply can't make enough plays to compensate for a crappy team and letting Deandre Hopkins go cost the head coach his job. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 31, 2021 18:06:23 GMT -5
Oh wow ! Next year great cap hit for the team. but why didn't they put big money years in the llast 2 years of the contract when the cap would be assumed to be higher and not such aa significant hit ? If the money is guaranteed Watson wouldn't be losing anything. Still the contract would be easy to trade, teams can absorb it fairly easy. You have 2 years to prepare for those 40 mil dollar years. They only know the answer most teams are trying to front load contracts thats what the Giants did with most if not all of their recent signings. The key to have a great cap situation is to have a total of the next 3 years with a lot of room. Fans get fixated on the closest year's number and forget 2 and 3 years down the road. Because we have over 100 million in space starting in 2022 we have a major cap advantage over a lot of teams because many teams will have to move a bunch of contracts out into the next 2 years and convert this year into a big signing guaranteed bonus number that now becomes a potential dead money time bomb Some teams can't even do this because they have already jacked up 2022 and 2023 (Dallas and Philly ) Front loading contracts and with most the first few years fully guaranteed (up to 3 years) is what the smart teams do We have more than enough to push out a few contracts to make room tbis year so we can front load extensions and make one big signing (which is why June 1st cuts of Solder would be more effective) |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 31, 2021 18:42:31 GMT -5
They only know the answer most teams are trying to front load contracts thats what the Giants did with most if not all of their recent signings. The key to have a great cap situation is to have a total of the next 3 years with a lot of room. Fans get fixated on the closest year's number and forget 2 and 3 years down the road. Because we have over 100 million in space starting in 2022 we have a major cap advantage over a lot of teams because many teams will have to move a bunch of contracts out into the next 2 years and convert this year into a big signing guaranteed bonus number that now becomes a potential dead money time bomb Some teams can't even do this because they have already jacked up 2022 and 2023 (Dallas and Philly ) Front loading contracts and with most the first few years fully guaranteed (up to 3 years) is what the smart teams do We have more than enough to push out a few contracts to make room tbis year so we can front load extensions and make one big signing (which is why June 1st cuts of Solder would be more effective) Got it. Question on Solder since he opted out they will be looking 2020 contract number in 2021 and 2022 they will get the 2021 cap numbers which will be 18 mill when cut or retired the Giants save straight up 14 mill with dead cap hit of 4 mill if they cut him after June 1 doe s that stay the same for next year with that they should will be 100mill Plus in 2022 also along with 2023. |
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