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Post by rbe40 on Apr 3, 2021 10:49:20 GMT -5
Zach Martin 2.0
I watch Slater's tape and all I see is Zach Martin. Same number, same body type, same blocking style. A great college LT who projects to elite NFL G.
Day 1 starter at RG for the Giants. Looks like a perennial All-Pro RG.
Slater or Waddle at 11 for me. Can't go wrong with either.
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Post by TEM on Apr 3, 2021 10:52:23 GMT -5
Not a fan of drafting opt-out players in the top of the draft.
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Post by Kruunch on Apr 3, 2021 11:01:15 GMT -5
Not a fan of drafting opt-out players in the top of the draft. You won’t have to worry. He will be drafted before #11. Kid can play. We missed out on Martin and Nelson. If Slater is available when we are up. It should be an easy decision for the Giants. You can pencil him in at guard for the next decade.
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Post by giantlegacy on Apr 3, 2021 12:33:32 GMT -5
Welcome to the club.... And for the exact reason why I've been on him even before we signed Golladay.. Now it's a no brainer...... Don't sleep on AVT either...maybe not quite as elite as Slater but will also be a plug in and high level guard day one as well....
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Post by piddy283 on Apr 3, 2021 15:47:35 GMT -5
Zach Martin 2.0 I watch Slater's tape and all I see is Zach Martin. Same number, same body type, same blocking style. A great college LT who projects to elite NFL G. Day 1 starter at RG for the Giants. Looks like a perennial All-Pro RG. Slater or Waddle at 11 for me. Can't go wrong with either. I agree about Slater. He looks like a pretty sure thing. A versatile OL with incredible technique. I'll take that all day. Waddle on the other hand....I see plenty of risk.
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Post by snyder55 on Apr 3, 2021 15:51:35 GMT -5
premium O linemen with Slaters talent usually don't last until the 11th pick
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Post by IrishMike on Apr 4, 2021 17:18:21 GMT -5
I honestly have not watched much of Slater but if he is Martin or Nelson then obviously I'd love him at 11; just not sure he deserves that praise.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2021 8:34:14 GMT -5
I honestly have not watched much of Slater but if he is Martin or Nelson then obviously I'd love him at 11; just not sure he deserves that praise. He's a tackle, with short arms...who played tackle and stuffed Chase Young, and every other player. Never heard anybody suggest he was on the Nelson level whom is a guard only. Even Martin was a lesser prospect than the great hall of fame all pro Quenton Nelson. I see pro bowl in Slater, from the guard, possibly tackle... Sewell has all pro potential from tackle and guard...he was being hyped up as the nelson of tackles, at age 19...guy won the outland trophy at age 19, QB mind like Nelson as a blocker...either would solidify this OL. Nice to see you back posting for the draft Mike.
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Post by IrishMike on Apr 5, 2021 9:15:36 GMT -5
I honestly have not watched much of Slater but if he is Martin or Nelson then obviously I'd love him at 11; just not sure he deserves that praise. He's a tackle, with short arms...who played tackle and stuffed Chase Young, and every other player. Never heard anybody suggest he was on the Nelson level whom is a guard only. Even Martin was a lesser prospect than the great hall of fame all pro Quenton Nelson. I see pro bowl in Slater, from the guard, possibly tackle... Sewell has all pro potential from tackle and guard...he was being hyped up as the nelson of tackles, at age 19...guy won the outland trophy at age 19, QB mind like Nelson as a blocker...either would solidify this OL. Nice to see you back posting for the draft Mike. Yeah I wasn't on board with Sewell just because it wouldn't be "exciting" but that would make our OL pretty sick. I think the Jets take him honestly though.
I'm very excited for this draft but there does not seem to be that massive split like last year. I actually can't decide who I want the most. I think Devonta Smith would be my pick out of the likely contenders though. Lots of directions we could go that would make me happy. Glad to be around talking draft. Maybe next year we won't be close to the top 10 again lol.
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Post by TCHOF on Apr 5, 2021 9:18:56 GMT -5
He's a tackle, with short arms...who played tackle and stuffed Chase Young, and every other player. Never heard anybody suggest he was on the Nelson level whom is a guard only. Even Martin was a lesser prospect than the great hall of fame all pro Quenton Nelson. I see pro bowl in Slater, from the guard, possibly tackle... Sewell has all pro potential from tackle and guard...he was being hyped up as the nelson of tackles, at age 19...guy won the outland trophy at age 19, QB mind like Nelson as a blocker...either would solidify this OL. Nice to see you back posting for the draft Mike. Yeah I wasn't on board with Sewell just because it wouldn't be "exciting" but that would make our OL pretty sick. I think the Jets take him honestly though.
I'm very excited for this draft but there does not seem to be that massive split like last year. I actually can't decide who I want the most. I think Devonta Smith would be my pick out of the likely contenders though. Lots of directions we could go that would make me happy. Glad to be around talking draft. Maybe next year we won't be close to the top 10 again lol.
I think that the Jets would be crazy to sit at #2 and take a non-QB. Trade back and accumulate more picks.
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Post by IrishMike on Apr 5, 2021 9:26:50 GMT -5
Yeah I wasn't on board with Sewell just because it wouldn't be "exciting" but that would make our OL pretty sick. I think the Jets take him honestly though.
I'm very excited for this draft but there does not seem to be that massive split like last year. I actually can't decide who I want the most. I think Devonta Smith would be my pick out of the likely contenders though. Lots of directions we could go that would make me happy. Glad to be around talking draft. Maybe next year we won't be close to the top 10 again lol.
I think that the Jets would be crazy to sit at #2 and take a non-QB. Trade back and accumulate more picks. Possibly. If Sewell is truly as great as people think it's not crazy to take him at #2. Especially if you are trying to protect the QB you traded 3 second round picks to get. This is especially true depending who they can trade with. If a trade to 4 is offered that makes sense, but if they have to go back past the Bengals then it doesn't make sense.
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Post by TCHOF on Apr 5, 2021 9:29:08 GMT -5
I honestly have not watched much of Slater but if he is Martin or Nelson then obviously I'd love him at 11; just not sure he deserves that praise. He's a tackle, with short arms...who played tackle and stuffed Chase Young, and every other player. Never heard anybody suggest he was on the Nelson level whom is a guard only. Even Martin was a lesser prospect than the great hall of fame all pro Quenton Nelson. I see pro bowl in Slater, from the guard, possibly tackle... Sewell has all pro potential from tackle and guard...he was being hyped up as the nelson of tackles, at age 19...guy won the outland trophy at age 19, QB mind like Nelson as a blocker...either would solidify this OL. Nice to see you back posting for the draft Mike. One thing that I find interesting ... 33" arms is widely considered to be the minimum arm length for NFL tackles. Slater's arms were measured at his Pro-Day at 33". Sewell's were measure to be only 1/4" more - 33 1/4". Yet Slater is considered a G prospect by many, while Sewell is touted as a "generational" OT prospect. By contrast, Andrew Thomas' arm length is 36 1/8", and Matt Peart's is 36 5/8". I think that there may be some teams that could hesitate in drafting a guy with 33 1/4 inch arms in the top 5-8 picks to play LT. I could be way off ... just a thought.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Apr 5, 2021 9:33:48 GMT -5
Yeah I wasn't on board with Sewell just because it wouldn't be "exciting" but that would make our OL pretty sick. I think the Jets take him honestly though.
I'm very excited for this draft but there does not seem to be that massive split like last year. I actually can't decide who I want the most. I think Devonta Smith would be my pick out of the likely contenders though. Lots of directions we could go that would make me happy. Glad to be around talking draft. Maybe next year we won't be close to the top 10 again lol.
I think that the Jets would be crazy to sit at #2 and take a non-QB. Trade back and accumulate more picks. Yes that would be ludacris for the Jets not to draft a QB at #2. Like you said TC they would move back to draft another position. They can get a damn good OL to go with Becton with their other 1st rd pick. I believe at #18. They also have the 2nd pick in the 2nd rd the #34th pick. Then they have two 3rd rd picks. If the Jets stay at #2 their going QB.
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Post by rbe40 on Apr 5, 2021 9:36:07 GMT -5
He's a tackle, with short arms...who played tackle and stuffed Chase Young, and every other player. Never heard anybody suggest he was on the Nelson level whom is a guard only. Even Martin was a lesser prospect than the great hall of fame all pro Quenton Nelson. I see pro bowl in Slater, from the guard, possibly tackle... Sewell has all pro potential from tackle and guard...he was being hyped up as the nelson of tackles, at age 19...guy won the outland trophy at age 19, QB mind like Nelson as a blocker...either would solidify this OL. Nice to see you back posting for the draft Mike. One thing that I find interesting ... 33" arms is widely considered to be the minimum arm length for NFL tackles. Slater's arms were measured at his Pro-Day at 33". Sewell's were measure to be only 1/4" more - 33 1/4". Yet Slater is considered a G prospect by many, while Sewell is touted as a "generational" OT prospect. By contrast, Andrew Thomas' arm length is 36 1/8", and Matt Peart's is 36 5/8". I think that there may be some teams that could hesitate in drafting a guy with 33 1/4 inch arms in the top 5-8 picks to play LT. I could be way off ... just a thought. Sewell is so overrated it's ridiculous. Andrew Thomas last year was clearly a better LT prospect than Sewell.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2021 10:01:27 GMT -5
He's a tackle, with short arms...who played tackle and stuffed Chase Young, and every other player. Never heard anybody suggest he was on the Nelson level whom is a guard only. Even Martin was a lesser prospect than the great hall of fame all pro Quenton Nelson. I see pro bowl in Slater, from the guard, possibly tackle... Sewell has all pro potential from tackle and guard...he was being hyped up as the nelson of tackles, at age 19...guy won the outland trophy at age 19, QB mind like Nelson as a blocker...either would solidify this OL. Nice to see you back posting for the draft Mike. One thing that I find interesting ... 33" arms is widely considered to be the minimum arm length for NFL tackles. Slater's arms were measured at his Pro-Day at 33". Sewell's were measure to be only 1/4" more - 33 1/4". Yet Slater is considered a G prospect by many, while Sewell is touted as a "generational" OT prospect. By contrast, Andrew Thomas' arm length is 36 1/8", and Matt Peart's is 36 5/8". I think that there may be some teams that could hesitate in drafting a guy with 33 1/4 inch arms in the top 5-8 picks to play LT. I could be way off ... just a thought. Yes, and I recall some experts suggest Sewell as a NFL guard before last year even began in college because of that exact aspect, while others laughed at that notion. It seems DG wants his tackles with length, but I have also heard Thomas as a pro bowl guard as he was struggling early on, and some questioning his feet before the draft as being pushed inside as a guard (believe Daniel Jeremiah one of them)...I sort of get it with tackles making up with technique mistakes with the long arms, but Sewell, and especially Slater...they are very rarely wrong in the technical aspects of blocking....and both have quick enough feet to correct themselves. Hey, Sewell can be our all pro guard...still fine with the pick.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2021 10:05:46 GMT -5
He's a tackle, with short arms...who played tackle and stuffed Chase Young, and every other player. Never heard anybody suggest he was on the Nelson level whom is a guard only. Even Martin was a lesser prospect than the great hall of fame all pro Quenton Nelson. I see pro bowl in Slater, from the guard, possibly tackle... Sewell has all pro potential from tackle and guard...he was being hyped up as the nelson of tackles, at age 19...guy won the outland trophy at age 19, QB mind like Nelson as a blocker...either would solidify this OL. Nice to see you back posting for the draft Mike. Yeah I wasn't on board with Sewell just because it wouldn't be "exciting" but that would make our OL pretty sick. I think the Jets take him honestly though.
I'm very excited for this draft but there does not seem to be that massive split like last year. I actually can't decide who I want the most. I think Devonta Smith would be my pick out of the likely contenders though. Lots of directions we could go that would make me happy. Glad to be around talking draft. Maybe next year we won't be close to the top 10 again lol.
Not a huge split I believe because DG, or was is Judge haha, did a great job in free agency, and we can now go BPA...and those best players are on our weaker side of the ball...and in the Jones show me year...OL and WR. We're sitting pretty, as long as we don't reach for edge.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Apr 5, 2021 10:06:09 GMT -5
I also feel Slater does not go in the top 10 picks. I would bet money he's there at #11. (not a lot of money lol). Can't see Slater being drafted in the top10.
Somewhere 11-15 seems more like his landing spot. If we want him he's there.
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Post by TCHOF on Apr 5, 2021 10:12:55 GMT -5
One thing that I find interesting ... 33" arms is widely considered to be the minimum arm length for NFL tackles. Slater's arms were measured at his Pro-Day at 33". Sewell's were measure to be only 1/4" more - 33 1/4". Yet Slater is considered a G prospect by many, while Sewell is touted as a "generational" OT prospect. By contrast, Andrew Thomas' arm length is 36 1/8", and Matt Peart's is 36 5/8". I think that there may be some teams that could hesitate in drafting a guy with 33 1/4 inch arms in the top 5-8 picks to play LT. I could be way off ... just a thought. Yes, and I recall some experts suggest Sewell as a NFL guard before last year even began in college because of that exact aspect, while others laughed at that notion. It seems DG wants his tackles with length, but I have also heard Thomas as a pro bowl guard as he was struggling early on, and some questioning his feet before the draft as being pushed inside as a guard (believe Daniel Jeremiah one of them)...I sort of get it with tackles making up with technique mistakes with the long arms, but Sewell, and especially Slater...they are very rarely wrong in the technical aspects of blocking....and both have quick enough feet to correct themselves. Hey, Sewell can be our all pro guard...still fine with the pick. Same. And I don't know enough to know whether either would be a good OT ... it just struck me as odd that I hadn't seen anyone question Sewell's arm length.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2021 10:38:08 GMT -5
Yes, and I recall some experts suggest Sewell as a NFL guard before last year even began in college because of that exact aspect, while others laughed at that notion. It seems DG wants his tackles with length, but I have also heard Thomas as a pro bowl guard as he was struggling early on, and some questioning his feet before the draft as being pushed inside as a guard (believe Daniel Jeremiah one of them)...I sort of get it with tackles making up with technique mistakes with the long arms, but Sewell, and especially Slater...they are very rarely wrong in the technical aspects of blocking....and both have quick enough feet to correct themselves. Hey, Sewell can be our all pro guard...still fine with the pick. Same. And I don't know enough to know whether either would be a good OT ... it just struck me as odd that I hadn't seen anyone question Sewell's arm length. I believe teams will still have that concern, and might be why he could slip down a bit....the Jonah Williams fall to 11 was caused by the same arm issues. Some teams, and I am thinking us judging from the two long arm tackles we drafted, it's a huge deal. Slater is IMHO after watching a lot of reps is far better in technique and even better feet than Sewell...if you had to choose, who are you taking?
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Post by TCHOF on Apr 5, 2021 10:45:40 GMT -5
Same. And I don't know enough to know whether either would be a good OT ... it just struck me as odd that I hadn't seen anyone question Sewell's arm length. I believe teams will still have that concern, and might be why he could slip down a bit....the Jonah Williams fall to 11 was caused by the same arm issues. Some teams, and I am thinking us judging from the two long arm tackles we drafted, it's a huge deal. Slater is IMHO after watching a lot of reps is far better in technique and even better feet than Sewell...if you had to choose, who are you taking? Yep … Jonah Williams arm length was 33 5/8" … longer than Sewell's.
I will leave the Sewell versus Slater question to the experts
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Post by GameTime on Apr 5, 2021 11:17:29 GMT -5
how many potential tackles in the NFL were not successful just because of arm legnth? Or better yet....how many long aremed Tackles didnt succeed.
If Sewell or Slater make it as successful NFL players whether at G or T it will have almost nothing to do with the length of their arms but more to do with their overall technique, drive and desire.
I get all the metrics invloved but its over stated in most cases.
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Post by Kase1 on Apr 5, 2021 11:44:57 GMT -5
Same. And I don't know enough to know whether either would be a good OT ... it just struck me as odd that I hadn't seen anyone question Sewell's arm length. I believe teams will still have that concern, and might be why he could slip down a bit....the Jonah Williams fall to 11 was caused by the same arm issues. Some teams, and I am thinking us judging from the two long arm tackles we drafted, it's a huge deal. Slater is IMHO after watching a lot of reps is far better in technique and even better feet than Sewell...if you had to choose, who are you taking? Yea, Slater has MUCH better technique than Sewell. Slater is a technician, Sewell is an ass kicker. Both have the potential to be all pro OGs who could step in at OT if needed. I just love watching Sewell play, he defeats his guy then frantically looks for the next person to beat the crap out of. He doesnt just want to neutralize you, he wants to embarass you. Personally I like Sewell better, but would be totally cool with Slater. And I dont know who compared either of these guys to Nelson, but Quentin Nelson is arguably the best offensive lineman Ive EVER seen play, its insane how good and how well rounded his game is.... Now, HE was 'touched by the hand of God'
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Post by snyder55 on Apr 5, 2021 15:52:55 GMT -5
just finished watching Kwity Paye's highlights and he looks to be the real deal and might be there when we pick, should we do it, he's the pass rusher we don't have now....
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Post by IrishMike on Apr 5, 2021 15:54:16 GMT -5
Yes, and I recall some experts suggest Sewell as a NFL guard before last year even began in college because of that exact aspect, while others laughed at that notion. It seems DG wants his tackles with length, but I have also heard Thomas as a pro bowl guard as he was struggling early on, and some questioning his feet before the draft as being pushed inside as a guard (believe Daniel Jeremiah one of them)...I sort of get it with tackles making up with technique mistakes with the long arms, but Sewell, and especially Slater...they are very rarely wrong in the technical aspects of blocking....and both have quick enough feet to correct themselves. Hey, Sewell can be our all pro guard...still fine with the pick. Same. And I don't know enough to know whether either would be a good OT ... it just struck me as odd that I hadn't seen anyone question Sewell's arm length. I do think frame plays a big role in that too though. They could have the same arm length but Sewell as a whole seems "longer". Similar to QB hand size I think people will look past it if the player is good enough.
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Post by IrishMike on Apr 5, 2021 16:04:51 GMT -5
Not a huge split I believe because DG, or was is Judge haha, did a great job in free agency, and we can now go BPA...and those best players are on our weaker side of the ball...and in the Jones show me year...OL and WR. We're sitting pretty, as long as we don't reach for edge. I continue to hope for a stud LB but I think I prefer Devonta Smith if there at 11. Can't complain if we end up with Waddle or one of these OL either though. Should be a fun draft night. This is a year Jerry Reese would take some untalked about WR or TE or CB lol. I think DG has been more predictable.
I agree 100% about reaching for an edge. I don't see any worth #11 honestly. I do like Aziz Ojulari but in a trade down scenario since he is so raw.
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Post by TCHOF on Apr 5, 2021 16:06:16 GMT -5
I think that there is a very good chance that Carolina goes Sewell or Slater now at 8 (assuming Carolina stays put), which obviously reduces the chances of one of them getting to us.
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Post by te88 on Apr 6, 2021 18:03:02 GMT -5
I think that there is a very good chance that Carolina goes Sewell or Slater now at 8 (assuming Carolina stays put), which obviously reduces the chances of one of them getting to us. Yeah I’m doing up my mock and if I keep them in the top 10 I have them taking one of those two. I am trying to decide where to put Sewell but I don’t think he gets out of the top 8. Sounds like Atlanta is trying to trade their pick now. I am still thinking Smith is the Giants “guy” and will be there at 11 and therefore will be the pick. If the Giants have a shot at an OL it will be Slater
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Post by TCHOF on Apr 6, 2021 18:29:44 GMT -5
I think that there is a very good chance that Carolina goes Sewell or Slater now at 8 (assuming Carolina stays put), which obviously reduces the chances of one of them getting to us. Yeah I’m doing up my mock and if I keep them in the top 10 I have them taking one of those two. I am trying to decide where to put Sewell but I don’t think he gets out of the top 8. Sounds like Atlanta is trying to trade their pick now. I am still thinking Smith is the Giants “guy” and will be there at 11 and therefore will be the pick. If the Giants have a shot at an OL it will be Slater I’m feeling Smith too
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Post by giants8493 on Apr 6, 2021 20:23:47 GMT -5
Yeah! Draft more offensive linemen. Then draft good offensive line men
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Post by bavarobeast on Apr 8, 2021 17:47:14 GMT -5
Slater is a baller - prime guard.
I’d rather have Devonta Smith though. Waddle would be an awesome consolation pic if Smith is off the board.
Smith over Waddle 7 days a week and twice on Sunday’s though.
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