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Post by myronguyton29 on Apr 7, 2021 8:40:09 GMT -5
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Post by DJones19 on Apr 7, 2021 8:51:33 GMT -5
I'm somewhere in the middle, I want to be a believer but I'll start believing if we have a winning season. I don't want to let Mara and the front office off the hook just because our team looks better on paper now after overpaying for a few injury prone players...I'll let up when I see results.
Not exactly sure what this comment means because I'm not a cap expert: “The Adoree’ Jackson deal was inexcusable,” one executive said. “And then they went and jeopardized their future cap by converting guys to get all these deals done. The potential for disaster is high.”
Sounds like Mara and the front office are impatient so he converted player contracts which could set us back a few more years if these signings don't pan out. Part of me feels like the front office is making the same gambles as it has in the past....I want to be more optimistic.
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Post by piddy283 on Apr 7, 2021 8:59:27 GMT -5
I don't disagree we overpaid. I said all off-season I didn't want KG due to the money he'd demand, and Jackson is consistently hurt. We paid a lot of money for players who didn't play a lot of games last year. I'm still happy to have both on the team, though. In my opinion, neither signing removes the need for us to draft a WR and CB. We have money to spend for a couple more years, but we need to backfill these players with younger talent.
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Post by Kruunch on Apr 7, 2021 9:02:26 GMT -5
This is free agency in a nut shell. After the smoke is clear unknown executives who won’t put their name to their words come out of the woodworks. This deal was bad, that deal was horrific. All the same, opinions.. We’ll all know together, if these deals were worth it. Another losing season and the contracts of these free agents will be front and center. If we win, we got them at bargain prices..
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Post by piddy283 on Apr 7, 2021 9:04:44 GMT -5
I'm somewhere in the middle, I want to be a believer but I'll start believing if we have a winning season. I don't want to let Mara and the front office off the hook just because our team looks better on paper now after overpaying for a few injury prone players...I'll let up when I see results. Not exactly sure what this comment means because I'm not a cap expert: “The Adoree’ Jackson deal was inexcusable,” one executive said. “And then they went and jeopardized their future cap by converting guys to get all these deals done. The potential for disaster is high.” Sounds like Mara and the front office are impatient so he converted player contracts which could set us back a few more years if these signings don't pan out. Part of me feels like the front office is making the same gambles as it has in the past....I want to be more optimistic. Without knowing much regarding the financial side of things, when we start reworking deals I'm always concerned we're setting ourselves up for disaster in the future. Folks on this MB who seem to understand the cap better than me seem to think we're in good shape financially...I have no clue. As much as we spent, for some reason this feels a bit different than the spending spree we did a few years back with Snacks, Jenkins, and Vernon. Hope it works out.
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Post by DandyDon on Apr 7, 2021 9:08:13 GMT -5
This is free agency in a nut shell. After the smoke is clear unknown executives who won’t put their name to their words come out of the woodworks. This deal was bad, that deal was horrific. All the same, opinions.. We’ll all know together, if these deals were worth it. Another losing season and the contracts of these free agents will be front and center. If we win, we got them at bargain prices.. Yup. If they wouldn't have signed him there would be "GMs" ripping them for letting him get away.
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Post by Fletch842 on Apr 7, 2021 9:22:18 GMT -5
This is free agency in a nut shell. After the smoke is clear unknown executives who won’t put their name to their words come out of the woodworks. This deal was bad, that deal was horrific. All the same, opinions.. We’ll all know together, if these deals were worth it. Another losing season and the contracts of these free agents will be front and center. If we win, we got them at bargain prices.. Yup. If they wouldn't have signed him there would be "GMs" ripping them for letting him get away. most likely the same one!!
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Post by Nite on Apr 7, 2021 9:24:14 GMT -5
Hmmm ..sour grapes
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Post by giantlegacy on Apr 7, 2021 9:24:45 GMT -5
When you so blatantly ignore getting good playmakers for 2 years other than a 5th round pick when you also draft a young QB because you are stuck in a 70' way of roster building (which includes forgetting in the modern era you don't have the luxury to wait 7 years for your qb to develop in a running first and 2nd era which buys time yo build other areas of the roster)this is what happens.....(history repeating itself in a way..Plax was signed because Acorsi was completely inept at drafting WRs...Toomer was a George Young miracle because he was just as bad)
Jackson.....Tennessee was looking for at least a 3rd....don't let that media fallacy distort those facts.. Really good player at a premium position that makes on paper our secondary a force to be reckoned with....
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 7, 2021 9:25:31 GMT -5
I don't know about all that I'll bet the are protected in some way shape or form they were good with Stewart they had stuff written into his deal. most of there contracts are short 3 year deals. Maybe one of the same people who ripped them for letting Collins walk for 14 mill a year or trading an injury prone WR.
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Post by fifthavephil on Apr 7, 2021 9:27:11 GMT -5
I also thought the Giants overspend on Golliday and Jackson. But, free agency was slow until the NFL announced there new TV package . Then all hell broke open.
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Post by Morehead State on Apr 7, 2021 9:51:41 GMT -5
Hey.....assholes..........worry about your own team.
We've stunk for years, we had to do something.
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Post by Sarcasman on Apr 7, 2021 9:51:53 GMT -5
That article is the weakest piece of crap I've read in some time. Looks like someone had a deadline to hit and nothing to report.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 7, 2021 10:07:53 GMT -5
This is free agency in a nut shell. After the smoke is clear unknown executives who won’t put their name to their words come out of the woodworks. This deal was bad, that deal was horrific. All the same, opinions.. We’ll all know together, if these deals were worth it. Another losing season and the contracts of these free agents will be front and center. If we win, we got them at bargain prices.. Exactly nothing is cheap when it comes to free agents and results is all that matters. That said it seems to me this was pretty well thought out Martinez and Bradberry still have 2 years left on their contracts 2021 and 2022 Williams is done in 2023 it is not like they will have extended salary issues. it might be tight these next couple years they have the draft and probably some money to spend. Mara wanted to speed it up some so they spent some money win or go home time.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 7, 2021 10:13:12 GMT -5
I also thought the Giants overspend on Golliday and Jackson. But, free agency was slow until the NFL announced there new TV package . Then all hell broke open. When you are shopping in free agency it's always expensive just the way it is. Guys get overpaid hopefully you get results they did with Bradberry and Martinez and Ryan. Now they have 2 years to find suitable rookie replacements and they have Ryan's in McKinney and or Love right now in training..
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 7, 2021 10:18:26 GMT -5
When you so blatantly ignore getting good playmakers for 2 years other than a 5th round pick when you also draft a young QB because you are stuck in a 70' way of roster building (which includes forgetting in the modern era you don't have the luxury to wait 7 years for your qb to develop in a running first and 2nd era which buys time yo build other areas of the roster)this is what happens.....(history repeating itself in a way..Plax was signed because Acorsi was completely inept at drafting WRs...Toomer was a George Young miracle because he was just as bad) Jackson.....Tennessee was looking for at least a 3rd....don't let that media fallacy distort those facts.. Really good player at a premium position that makes on paper our secondary a force to be reckoned with.... For every mistake made and the Giants have had plenty with this front office and more with the last one only because they had more time to screw up, there is a price to pay they are paying right now and have been since 2016. This time it seems they have the contracts staggered so they aren't in cap hell it might be tight but if they draft right it should correct itself in the next 2 or 3 years while their free agent Haul is holding down the fort hopefully.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Apr 7, 2021 11:33:17 GMT -5
Remember this? ESPN: Giants' addition of James Bradberry 'overrated' giantswire.usatoday.com/2020/03/22/espn-new-york-giants-addition-of-james-bradberry-overrated/Why The New York Giants Should Stay Away From James Bradberry Overpaying Average Talent James Bradberry is expected to cost a pretty penny. According to a report by Jeremy Fowler of ESPN, Bradberry is seeking a contract worth approximately $15 million per year. This might be a bit expensive for a 27-year-old cornerback that has never been to a Pro Bowl. He is seeking that high annual salary and he might not get it, but if the Giants are going to be throwing big money at a cornerback in free agency, Byron Jones is a better option. Jones would cost more, around $16-18 million per year according to Tom Pelissero of NFL.com. However, Byron Jones is an elite talent and is worth being paid elite money. James Bradberry is not worth paying such a large sum. empiresportsmedia.com/new-york-giants/why-the-new-york-giants-should-stay-away-from-james-bradberry/
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Post by Kruunch on Apr 7, 2021 14:52:54 GMT -5
Remember this? ESPN: Giants' addition of James Bradberry 'overrated' giantswire.usatoday.com/2020/03/22/espn-new-york-giants-addition-of-james-bradberry-overrated/Why The New York Giants Should Stay Away From James Bradberry Overpaying Average Talent James Bradberry is expected to cost a pretty penny. According to a report by Jeremy Fowler of ESPN, Bradberry is seeking a contract worth approximately $15 million per year. This might be a bit expensive for a 27-year-old cornerback that has never been to a Pro Bowl. He is seeking that high annual salary and he might not get it, but if the Giants are going to be throwing big money at a cornerback in free agency, Byron Jones is a better option. Jones would cost more, around $16-18 million per year according to Tom Pelissero of NFL.com. However, Byron Jones is an elite talent and is worth being paid elite money. James Bradberry is not worth paying such a large sum. empiresportsmedia.com/new-york-giants/why-the-new-york-giants-should-stay-away-from-james-bradberry/You can do this all day. Look up Nate Solder when he signed with us. I can give you a few articles that had glowing endorsements about the former Patriot. These guys like us base their opinions on what the player has accomplished, and what he will do in the future. It’s all guessing at best, that’s why you can’t take it too serious.
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Post by jb456 on Apr 7, 2021 15:42:46 GMT -5
Remember this? ESPN: Giants' addition of James Bradberry 'overrated' giantswire.usatoday.com/2020/03/22/espn-new-york-giants-addition-of-james-bradberry-overrated/Why The New York Giants Should Stay Away From James Bradberry Overpaying Average Talent James Bradberry is expected to cost a pretty penny. According to a report by Jeremy Fowler of ESPN, Bradberry is seeking a contract worth approximately $15 million per year. This might be a bit expensive for a 27-year-old cornerback that has never been to a Pro Bowl. He is seeking that high annual salary and he might not get it, but if the Giants are going to be throwing big money at a cornerback in free agency, Byron Jones is a better option. Jones would cost more, around $16-18 million per year according to Tom Pelissero of NFL.com. However, Byron Jones is an elite talent and is worth being paid elite money. James Bradberry is not worth paying such a large sum. empiresportsmedia.com/new-york-giants/why-the-new-york-giants-should-stay-away-from-james-bradberry/You can do this all day. Look up Nate Solder when he signed with us. I can give you a few articles that had glowing endorsements about the former Patriot. These guys like us base their opinions on what the player has accomplished, and what he will do in the future. It’s all guessing at best, that’s why you can’t take it too serious. This is true but it's been know for years not to trust FA Oline from the Pats. The Pats scheme seems to hide a lot of their players warts....
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Post by jb456 on Apr 7, 2021 15:52:24 GMT -5
This is free agency in a nut shell. After the smoke is clear unknown executives who won’t put their name to their words come out of the woodworks. This deal was bad, that deal was horrific. All the same, opinions.. We’ll all know together, if these deals were worth it. Another losing season and the contracts of these free agents will be front and center. If we win, we got them at bargain prices.. Exactly nothing is cheap when it comes to free agents and results is all that matters. That said it seems to me this was pretty well thought out Martinez and Bradberry still have 2 years left on their contracts 2021 and 2022 Williams is done in 2023 it is not like they will have extended salary issues. it might be tight these next couple years they have the draft and probably some money to spend. Mara wanted to speed it up some so they spent some money win or go home time. I looked it up, the Giants can get out of every single contract that they handed out this year in 2 years, with the exception of Golladay. LW, KR and AJ can all be cut without a massive dead cap hit after the 2022 season. If LW and AJ perform well, the Giants have the flexibility to keep them for a 3rd year. I heard some nonsense that the Giant's mortgaged their future by signing players to deals that have outs after 2 seasons, WTF?
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 7, 2021 16:03:37 GMT -5
Exactly nothing is cheap when it comes to free agents and results is all that matters. That said it seems to me this was pretty well thought out Martinez and Bradberry still have 2 years left on their contracts 2021 and 2022 Williams is done in 2023 it is not like they will have extended salary issues. it might be tight these next couple years they have the draft and probably some money to spend. Mara wanted to speed it up some so they spent some money win or go home time. I looked it up, the Giants can get out of every single contract that they handed out this year in 2 years, with the exception of Golladay. LW, KR and AJ can all be cut without a massive dead cap hit after the 2022 season. If LW and AJ perform well, the Giants have the flexibility to keep them for a 3rd year. I heard some nonsense that the Giant's mortgaged their future by signing players to deals that have outs after 2 seasons, WTF? guys talking out there @$$ because just maybe the Giants got it right if these guys work out they more then likely will be bargains because once the cap shoots up contracts are gonna shoot up.
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Post by jb456 on Apr 7, 2021 16:13:34 GMT -5
I looked it up, the Giants can get out of every single contract that they handed out this year in 2 years, with the exception of Golladay. LW, KR and AJ can all be cut without a massive dead cap hit after the 2022 season. If LW and AJ perform well, the Giants have the flexibility to keep them for a 3rd year. I heard some nonsense that the Giant's mortgaged their future by signing players to deals that have outs after 2 seasons, WTF? guys talking out there @$$ because just maybe the Giants got it right if these guys work out they more then likely will be bargains because once the cap shoots up contracts are gonna shoot up. I can't tell you if the Giants made the right decision or not (We would have to do a post mortem analysis in a few years based on these players level of production. You are right though with the cap. The Cap is going to sky-rocket to $255M in 2024 (currently, the cap is only $182.5M $72.5M increase). At the same time, the Giants will be able to get out of almost every contract they have after the 2022 season if need be. It's not like the Giants are the freaking Eagles who just keep pushing money down the line.
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Post by TEM on Apr 7, 2021 16:34:10 GMT -5
What do they have to hide from .Why not name the "sources" or is it they do not exist?
If these so call NFL executives want to say something . Have the balls to own it. Do not hide like you are in a witness protection program. Me I think it is made up BS. (click bait)
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Apr 7, 2021 17:57:29 GMT -5
Hey.....assholes..........worry about your own team. We've stunk for years, we had to do something. HaHa, Blunt and to the point ! ! ! NEXT ?
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Post by 3days on Apr 7, 2021 19:18:23 GMT -5
If I remember correctly Phily was going after him and that was his next stop. I think I read a local article crying because we “stole” him. If I remember correctly then this article is dead wrong.
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Post by giantlegacy on Apr 7, 2021 19:23:46 GMT -5
This writer
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Post by Rangers13 on Apr 7, 2021 20:44:45 GMT -5
can’t rely on the draft so for the second time since 2011 the Giants spent wildly. Maybe this time the ROI will last for more than a season and boatride
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Post by Sarcasman on Apr 7, 2021 23:00:50 GMT -5
Exactly nothing is cheap when it comes to free agents and results is all that matters. That said it seems to me this was pretty well thought out Martinez and Bradberry still have 2 years left on their contracts 2021 and 2022 Williams is done in 2023 it is not like they will have extended salary issues. it might be tight these next couple years they have the draft and probably some money to spend. Mara wanted to speed it up some so they spent some money win or go home time. I looked it up, the Giants can get out of every single contract that they handed out this year in 2 years, with the exception of Golladay. LW, KR and AJ can all be cut without a massive dead cap hit after the 2022 season. If LW and AJ perform well, the Giants have the flexibility to keep them for a 3rd year. I heard some nonsense that the Giant's mortgaged their future by signing players to deals that have outs after 2 seasons, WTF? I can assure you, the media did not do the research.
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Post by Fletch842 on Apr 8, 2021 6:24:27 GMT -5
I looked it up, the Giants can get out of every single contract that they handed out this year in 2 years, with the exception of Golladay. LW, KR and AJ can all be cut without a massive dead cap hit after the 2022 season. If LW and AJ perform well, the Giants have the flexibility to keep them for a 3rd year. I heard some nonsense that the Giant's mortgaged their future by signing players to deals that have outs after 2 seasons, WTF? I can assure you, the media did not do the research. since when did facts get in the way of a good article eitherway?
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Post by GameTime on Apr 8, 2021 9:46:54 GMT -5
if he was high he wouldn't have written that article. with so much negativity. He would have been eating chips and stuff and praising the moves..lol
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