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Post by rbe40 on Apr 12, 2021 17:16:20 GMT -5
If you combined the 2020+2021 Draft classes, Andrew Thomas would still be OT1/OL1
Moving forward, I still take Andrew Thomas over:
Jedrick Wills
Mecki Becton
Tristan Wirfs
Penei Sewell
Rashawn Slater
I think A Thomas plays at a Pro Bowl level this year. His 2020 2nd half minus Hassan Reddick was tremendous for a rookie LT.
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Post by DJones19 on Apr 12, 2021 17:39:45 GMT -5
hope you are right, can't agree at this point based on current results. Definitely rank him above Flowers at LT though.
I forget where I read this but I read that the Giants have spent more draft capital on olineman than any other team in the past 5-10 years, but we still seem to be in constant rebuild at that position.
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Post by Kruunch on Apr 12, 2021 17:55:44 GMT -5
How is Thomas better than two tackles who made the all rookie team? Willis and Wirfs played very well for their respected teams, and Becton looked good with the Jets. Want to say Thomas finished the season strong? I would agree to that, anything else is fan talk.
The beginning of the season Thomas looked like horse shit, the sole blame for that seems to be on the doorstep of Marc Colombo, but it still happened. In a rich tackle draft I hope we drafted a good one, because those other kids look like the real deal.
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Post by rbe40 on Apr 12, 2021 18:01:56 GMT -5
How is Thomas better than two tackles who made the all rookie team? Willis and Wirfs played very well for their respected teams, and Becton looked good with the Jets. Want to say Thomas finished the season strong? I would agree to that, anything else is fan talk. The beginning of the season Thomas looked like horse shit, the sole blame for that seems to be on the doorstep of Marc Colombo, but it still happened. In a rich tackle draft I hope we drafted a good one, because those other kids look like the real deal. This guy after an NFL offseason training program will be quite the stud in Year 2. Trajectory. Ceiling. |
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Post by GameTime on Apr 12, 2021 18:51:45 GMT -5
I was a huge fan of Thomas and glad the NYGs drafted him. Of course I was a bit bummed he struggled but he started pretty much every game had over 900 snaps. Great experience for sure. I only see a bright future. Wills had over 900 snaps and Wirfs had over a 1000. Becton had 600+.
With that said there is almost no reason to compare him to any the OLs coming out this season. Makes zero difference and what does it prove?
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Post by giantstepz on Apr 13, 2021 10:59:58 GMT -5
I will not judge a guy that needed ankle surgery immediately after the season. I fully expect him to be 100% this season and I will judge him then - but I do have high hopes. And no - I do not blame coaching for his bad leg.
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Post by rbe40 on Apr 16, 2021 14:31:42 GMT -5
How is Thomas better than two tackles who made the all rookie team? Willis and Wirfs played very well for their respected teams, and Becton looked good with the Jets. Want to say Thomas finished the season strong? I would agree to that, anything else is fan talk. The beginning of the season Thomas looked like horse shit, the sole blame for that seems to be on the doorstep of Marc Colombo, but it still happened. In a rich tackle draft I hope we drafted a good one, because those other kids look like the real deal. Thomas was better than Wills as a rookie. Thomas graded better, and was flat out better. Thomas was playing next to a revolving door at LG, while Wills was playing next to Pro-Bowl LG Joel Bitonio. And yet, Thomas was still more impressive. Thomas was better than Wills in college, was better than Wills as a rookie, and will continue to be better than Wills in the NFL. That's not even a question. Becton couldn't stay healthy and missed a bunch of snaps. Thomas started all 16 games. Advantage, Thomas. Wirfs is a Right Tackle only. The Giants needed a Left Tackle for the next decade, so Thomas > Wirfs. Moving forward: Thomas >>>>>>> Wills (not close) Thomas > Becton Thomas > Wirfs |
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Post by Kruunch on Apr 16, 2021 15:28:54 GMT -5
How is Thomas better than two tackles who made the all rookie team? Willis and Wirfs played very well for their respected teams, and Becton looked good with the Jets. Want to say Thomas finished the season strong? I would agree to that, anything else is fan talk. The beginning of the season Thomas looked like horse shit, the sole blame for that seems to be on the doorstep of Marc Colombo, but it still happened. In a rich tackle draft I hope we drafted a good one, because those other kids look like the real deal. Thomas was better than Wills as a rookie. Thomas graded better, and was flat out better. Thomas was playing next to a revolving door at LG, while Wills was playing next to Pro-Bowl LG Joel Bitonio. And yet, Thomas was still more impressive. Thomas was better than Wills in college, was better than Wills as a rookie, and will continue to be better than Wills in the NFL. That's not even a question. Becton couldn't stay healthy and missed a bunch of snaps. Thomas started all 16 games. Advantage, Thomas. Wirfs is a Right Tackle only. The Giants needed a Left Tackle for the next decade, so Thomas > Wirfs. Moving forward: Thomas >>>>>>> Wills (not close) Thomas > Becton Thomas > Wirfs And yet, the NFL recognized Willis and Wirfs when they selected them to the all rookie team. As for Becton, he did have some injures. Still, he played in 690 snaps on the year. Not bad, for someone who was labeled “can’t stay healthy.” Just on sacks allowed Thomas blows all the players away by a large margin. Again, like I said previously. This isn’t a slight on Thomas the player, but to openly say he’s better than those players is not true. The only thing Thomas did well last year is he stayed on the field. He still has a ways to go to pass those other players. |
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Post by rbe40 on Apr 16, 2021 16:06:11 GMT -5
Thomas was better than Wills as a rookie. Thomas graded better, and was flat out better. Thomas was playing next to a revolving door at LG, while Wills was playing next to Pro-Bowl LG Joel Bitonio. And yet, Thomas was still more impressive. Thomas was better than Wills in college, was better than Wills as a rookie, and will continue to be better than Wills in the NFL. That's not even a question. Becton couldn't stay healthy and missed a bunch of snaps. Thomas started all 16 games. Advantage, Thomas. Wirfs is a Right Tackle only. The Giants needed a Left Tackle for the next decade, so Thomas > Wirfs. Moving forward: Thomas >>>>>>> Wills (not close) Thomas > Becton Thomas > Wirfs And yet, the NFL recognized Willis and Wirfs when they selected them to the all rookie team. As for Becton, he did have some injures. Still, he played in 690 snaps on the year. Not bad, for someone who was labeled “can’t stay healthy.” Just on sacks allowed Thomas blows all the players away by a large margin. Again, like I said previously. This isn’t a slight on Thomas the player, but to openly say he’s better than those players is not true. The only thing Thomas did well last year is he stayed on the field. He still has a ways to go to pass those other players. Jedrick Wills wasn't a Top 4 player on Cleveland's O-Line. Wills was the worst member of the NFL's #1 OL. LG Joel Bitonio >>> LT Wills C JC Tretter >>> LT Wills RG Wyatt Teller >>> LT Wills RT Jack Conklin >>> LT Wills Cleveland was the #1 OL in football. Wills was surrounded by elite players at every position along the OL, and Wills was the worst player on their OL. |
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Post by imgrate on Apr 16, 2021 16:16:25 GMT -5
And yet, the NFL recognized Willis and Wirfs when they selected them to the all rookie team. As for Becton, he did have some injures. Still, he played in 690 snaps on the year. Not bad, for someone who was labeled “can’t stay healthy.” Just on sacks allowed Thomas blows all the players away by a large margin. Again, like I said previously. This isn’t a slight on Thomas the player, but to openly say he’s better than those players is not true. The only thing Thomas did well last year is he stayed on the field. He still has a ways to go to pass those other players. Jedrick Wills wasn't a Top 4 player on Cleveland's O-Line. Wills was the worst member of the NFL's #1 OL. LG Joel Bitonio >>> LT Wills C JC Tretter >>> LT Wills RG Wyatt Teller >>> LT Wills RT Jack Conklin >>> LT Wills Cleveland was the #1 OL in football. Wills was surrounded by elite players at every position along the OL, and Wills was the worst player on their OL. And Thomas wasn't atop 2 player on one of the worst lines in the league, what's your point? |
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Post by IrishMike on Apr 16, 2021 17:04:42 GMT -5
I too think Thomas is the best....but now I am questioning it.
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Post by Fletch842 on Apr 16, 2021 18:20:45 GMT -5
Thomas was better than Wills as a rookie. Thomas graded better, and was flat out better. Thomas was playing next to a revolving door at LG, while Wills was playing next to Pro-Bowl LG Joel Bitonio. And yet, Thomas was still more impressive. Thomas was better than Wills in college, was better than Wills as a rookie, and will continue to be better than Wills in the NFL. That's not even a question. Becton couldn't stay healthy and missed a bunch of snaps. Thomas started all 16 games. Advantage, Thomas. Wirfs is a Right Tackle only. The Giants needed a Left Tackle for the next decade, so Thomas > Wirfs. Moving forward: Thomas >>>>>>> Wills (not close) Thomas > Becton Thomas > Wirfs And yet, the NFL recognized Willis and Wirfs when they selected them to the all rookie team. As for Becton, he did have some injures. Still, he played in 690 snaps on the year. Not bad, for someone who was labeled “can’t stay healthy.” Just on sacks allowed Thomas blows all the players away by a large margin. Again, like I said previously. This isn’t a slight on Thomas the player, but to openly say he’s better than those players is not true. The only thing Thomas did well last year is he stayed on the field. He still has a ways to go to pass those other players. what I like most about Thomas what how he progressed as the year went on. He did flat out suck the first half of the season, no doubt, but I thought he played really well the last 7 or 8 games. A lot of players would have wilted under the criticism and bad press, he used it as motivation. All 4 of these guys looked really good by the end of the year, what more can you want from your rookie lineman. Whose better, whose worse, personally, I could care less. I'm pleased with where Thomas it at this point, and with a bit of improvement, he will be a pro-bowl level tackle. |
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Post by Kase1 on Apr 17, 2021 9:12:40 GMT -5
I won't lie, I was and am a BIG Thomas guy.
He really picked it up towards the end of the season. Id take him again in a heartbeat. I would also be cool with Wills, Wirfs, or Becton..
Man, that was a good tackle class
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Post by Kruunch on Apr 17, 2021 10:30:02 GMT -5
And yet, the NFL recognized Willis and Wirfs when they selected them to the all rookie team. As for Becton, he did have some injures. Still, he played in 690 snaps on the year. Not bad, for someone who was labeled “can’t stay healthy.” Just on sacks allowed Thomas blows all the players away by a large margin. Again, like I said previously. This isn’t a slight on Thomas the player, but to openly say he’s better than those players is not true. The only thing Thomas did well last year is he stayed on the field. He still has a ways to go to pass those other players. Jedrick Wills wasn't a Top 4 player on Cleveland's O-Line. Wills was the worst member of the NFL's #1 OL. LG Joel Bitonio >>> LT Wills C JC Tretter >>> LT Wills RG Wyatt Teller >>> LT Wills RT Jack Conklin >>> LT Wills Cleveland was the #1 OL in football. Wills was surrounded by elite players at every position along the OL, and Wills was the worst player on their OL. Wait a second. How do we go from Thomas is the best tackle to the supporting cast of the Browns? It’s not Willis fault he got drafted by a team that actually knows how to build an offensive line. Let’s stick to the player itself, and not their teammates. And where are we gauging the player by? If we’re going by sacks allowed, Thomas was one of the worst tackles in the sport. It seems your argument is he played on a bad line and should be awarded for it. No.. He was part of that disaster against Arizona when the line gave up 8 sacks. Or when we faced Baltimore and the line gave up 6 sacks. Thomas finished the season on a positive note. After the horrendous start he found a way to rebound and give fans hope. If the season was 8 games we would all be calling for Thomas head. Next season, I want to see if Thomas can put it all together. Because, the same players you seem to think he’s better than. Have done that already. If we’re giving an objective grade out of last years tackle class. If anyone who’s not related to Andrew Thomas gives him an higher grade than the other players. They need to take those goofy Giants glasses off and go back to the optometrists. |
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Post by rbe40 on Oct 4, 2021 17:24:24 GMT -5
Told ya
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Post by rbe40 on Oct 4, 2021 17:26:05 GMT -5
Where the Andrew Thomas haters at??
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2021 17:32:38 GMT -5
He is playing pro bowl through 4 games...let's hope no more rough games
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 4, 2021 20:07:27 GMT -5
He is playing pro bowl through 4 games...let's hope no more rough games He won't be perfect...but he is indeed playing at a pro bowl level Even more incredible is he has had 4 different guards starting next to him in 4 games.. Unphased. |
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Post by Fletch842 on Oct 5, 2021 12:44:37 GMT -5
He is playing pro bowl through 4 games...let's hope no more rough games He won't be perfect...but he is indeed playing at a pro bowl level Even more incredible is he has had 4 different guards starting next to him in 4 games.. Unphased. how can this be? I thought I read that he was one of the worst first round picks in the history of the NFL? So much for that, huh??? |
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Post by TEM on Oct 5, 2021 13:38:56 GMT -5
I don't give 2 S###s who he is better than. As long as he gives Riddick a can of Shut the F up. If he can do that, it means he is playing very good.
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Post by Fletch842 on Oct 5, 2021 18:34:58 GMT -5
I don't give 2 S###s who he is better than. As long as he gives Riddick a can of Shut the F up. If he can do that, it means he is playing very good. and he is playing very well, fun to watch him. |
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Post by TheAnalyst on Oct 6, 2021 7:03:06 GMT -5
Well done calling Thomas (right now), as many did including me, now about you saying edge rushers are pointless in our system... Or that Tomlinson would be easily replaced by Shelton. Maybe you should bump those and beat your chest?
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 8, 2021 6:15:28 GMT -5
Well done calling Thomas (right now), as many did including me, now about you saying edge rushers are pointless in our system... Or that Tomlinson would be easily replaced by Shelton. Maybe you should bump those and beat your chest? Amongst all the other things he was wrong about |
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Post by imgrate on Oct 8, 2021 7:41:38 GMT -5
He ain't no John Jerry
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Oct 8, 2021 9:31:15 GMT -5
I think Andrew Thomas is coming on like a freight train. He is 100% better in his 4th game this year than his 4th game last year. It does look like Colombo was the problem. Thomas looks like the guy he was at Georgia a power house on the edge. Plus he's played this year with a different LG next to him every game, whatever strength you want to give that.
But Wills and Wirfs had fantastic successful rookie years. Both contributed and moved forward from day 1. Becton I'm not sure how he did cause of injury in and out of lineup. And with the Jets ineptness it's hard to judge.
I do feel Thomas is as good as any one of the top OL the last 2 drafts. It was another real good draft pick by Gettlemen.
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