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Post by TEM on Apr 24, 2021 11:26:13 GMT -5
You guys are missing the point. The chiefs have an abundance at every position bc they built their team well. The giants had some pretty decent offenses that were never able to perform bc of how bad the oline was. The chiefs fixed their situation in one offseason. The giants after 11 decided to squander any potential and let the oline deteriorate.. That fueled years of failed draft picks and FA busts at the OL positions that led to years of losing football... A decade later we're going into a season still unsure of the oline... Who again is their RT? Mike Remmers!!!! Was he not one of problems in the SB? We let the guy walk because he was not a even an average OT. I would use the term "fixed their situation" lightly.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Apr 24, 2021 11:56:16 GMT -5
I do understand the reasoning you could get LW in FA and still have the draft choices. It's a win win. We didn't need LW to put us over the top to get into the playoffs we could have saved the draft picks. It's sound reasoning.
I was assuming Getty was going to sign him during the season or right after which he did. And yes he needed to. Not only because LW played above and beyond expectations and improved the entire D line and defense but to justify giving up a 3rd and 5th draft pick.
Now of course the trade turned out to be a raving success so far. Who is a 3rd and 5th pick that is going to be better than LW. Last years 3rd and 5th were Peart and Lemuix. Anyone think they were better than LW ? So as far as worth with the trade absolutely successful.
Now at this point it's water under the bridge and we got LW tied up long term to anchor our DL. A win for Big Blue. But in the long run it's possible we could have had this scenario anyway plus the 2 draft picks.
I think we have exhausted ourselves over hypotheticals on this subject. We have a really good player just coming into his prime lets enjoy it.
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Post by TCHOF on Apr 24, 2021 12:12:24 GMT -5
You could have improved your team by signing the guy in Free Agency (which would surely have cost less than the $21M a year contract we just gave him) without giving up the draft capital. But that is an assumption based upon a linear mind set. FA ( at least top ones) are never This , this, this and this and he his ours. It is seldom that black and white. Just take what we did with Adoree' Jackson and Kenny Golladay . They both had appointments with Other teams . One with the Ravens, the other with Philly. They never made it. That is why I believe it was a good trade because we could tag his A$$ if needed. And KC can do the same thing if needed. Don’t kid yourself, Golladay and Adoree came here because we paid them more than anyone else. We could have done that with Leo too ... and the price tag would have been a lot less than the $21M per year we just paid him.
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Post by allnygin on Apr 24, 2021 12:33:39 GMT -5
You guys are missing the point. The chiefs have an abundance at every position bc they built their team well. The giants had some pretty decent offenses that were never able to perform bc of how bad the oline was. The chiefs fixed their situation in one offseason. The giants after 11 decided to squander any potential and let the oline deteriorate.. That fueled years of failed draft picks and FA busts at the OL positions that led to years of losing football... A decade later we're going into a season still unsure of the oline... Who again is their RT? Mike Remmers!!!! Was he not one of problems in the SB? We let the guy walk because he was not a even an average OT. I would use the term "fixed their situation" lightly. They have Orlando Brown and Joe Tuney after this FA. Two big players on the oline.. I don't think you can down play that my dude, they still have a draft and players coming off of injury
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Post by bluebuddha on Apr 24, 2021 12:35:53 GMT -5
You could have improved your team by signing the guy in Free Agency (which would surely have cost less than the $21M a year contract we just gave him) without giving up the draft capital. But that is an assumption based upon a linear mind set. FA ( at least top ones) are never This , this, this and this and he his ours. It is seldom that black and white. Just take what we did with Adoree' Jackson and Kenny Golladay . They both had appointments with Other teams . One with the Ravens, the other with Philly. They never made it. That is why I believe it was a good trade because we could tag his A$$ if needed. And KC can do the same thing if needed. You are absolutely right on this. When you get to the pro level in business you sole job is to minimize risk and guarantee profit. When you have a popular commodity hit the market the natural thing that will happen is a bidding war and the loss of the guarantee to secure that commodity. If you can give up a little capital to secure the commodity and guarantee you are the only bidder for it you succeeded getting the result you intended. Hedging is the way profitable companies stay profitable. 1. No one can guarantee if LW hit the Free agent market he would has signed with the Giants. 2. No one can guarantee that the pick that were given up would equal to a player of LWs caliber. 3. No one can guarantee LW would have signed for less money than he did here.
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Post by piddy283 on Apr 24, 2021 12:49:28 GMT -5
You guys are missing the point. The chiefs have an abundance at every position bc they built their team well. The giants had some pretty decent offenses that were never able to perform bc of how bad the oline was. The chiefs fixed their situation in one offseason. The giants after 11 decided to squander any potential and let the oline deteriorate.. That fueled years of failed draft picks and FA busts at the OL positions that led to years of losing football... A decade later we're going into a season still unsure of the oline... Agreed. I've been screaming for OL since 2009-2010. That said, this is the most comfortable I've felt about the OL in as long as I can remember. I think the current group is going to improve across the board for various reasons. I also believe we're going to draft an OG early, and another OL later for depth and versatility. With Judge & Company stressing accountability, development, and teaching, I love where we're at as a team right now.
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Post by robl on Apr 24, 2021 13:02:53 GMT -5
You guys are missing the point. The chiefs have an abundance at every position bc they built their team well. The giants had some pretty decent offenses that were never able to perform bc of how bad the oline was. The chiefs fixed their situation in one offseason. The giants after 11 decided to squander any potential and let the oline deteriorate.. That fueled years of failed draft picks and FA busts at the OL positions that led to years of losing football... A decade later we're going into a season still unsure of the oline... Agreed. I've been screaming for OL since 2009-2010. That said, this is the most comfortable I've felt about the OL in as long as I can remember. I think the current group is going to improve across the board for various reasons. I also believe we're going to draft an OG early, and another OL later for depth and versatility. With Judge & Company stressing accountability, development, and teaching, I love where we're at as a team right now. I have alerted the Mods. Optimism, especially regarding the O-line is not permitted on this board.
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Post by allnygin on Apr 24, 2021 13:49:29 GMT -5
You guys are missing the point. The chiefs have an abundance at every position bc they built their team well. The giants had some pretty decent offenses that were never able to perform bc of how bad the oline was. The chiefs fixed their situation in one offseason. The giants after 11 decided to squander any potential and let the oline deteriorate.. That fueled years of failed draft picks and FA busts at the OL positions that led to years of losing football... A decade later we're going into a season still unsure of the oline... Agreed. I've been screaming for OL since 2009-2010. That said, this is the most comfortable I've felt about the OL in as long as I can remember. I think the current group is going to improve across the board for various reasons. I also believe we're going to draft an OG early, and another OL later for depth and versatility. With Judge & Company stressing accountability, development, and teaching, I love where we're at as a team right now. For the first time since 12 i'm optimistic about the direction of this team.
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Post by giantlegacy on Apr 24, 2021 14:59:02 GMT -5
But that is an assumption based upon a linear mind set. FA ( at least top ones) are never This , this, this and this and he his ours. It is seldom that black and white. Just take what we did with Adoree' Jackson and Kenny Golladay . They both had appointments with Other teams . One with the Ravens, the other with Philly. They never made it. That is why I believe it was a good trade because we could tag his A$$ if needed. And KC can do the same thing if needed. You are absolutely right on this. When you get to the pro level in business you sole job is to minimize risk and guarantee profit. When you have a popular commodity hit the market the natural thing that will happen is a bidding war and the loss of the guarantee to secure that commodity. If you can give up a little capital to secure the commodity and guarantee you are the only bidder for it you succeeded getting the result you intended. Hedging is the way profitable companies stay profitable. 1. No one can guarantee if LW hit the Free agent market he would has signed with the Giants. 2. No one can guarantee that the pick that were given up would equal to a player of LWs caliber. 3. No one can guarantee LW would have signed for less money than he did here. Risk/reward story that has only hit the halfway point of the book
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 24, 2021 15:06:27 GMT -5
Dave gave up a 3rd and a 5th for LW who was in the last year of his contract ( Horrible trade) Not what I think . But there were more than a few that conveyed openly. It was a bad trade because it gave Williams an unfair advantage going into contract negations. KC give up a 1st, 3rd a 4th and a 5th . For Brown ( last year of his contract) a 2nd and a 6th So KC basically 1st, 3rd, 4th, and a 5th, for a 2nd ,6th and a rental. So in context how is this not a horrible deal also? Tem, Brown is no rental he is a long term fix. They are re signing him to a 4 -5 year deal. I promise you. Not giving all that up for a rental. Brown is a mauler he will be at least as good as Fisher was if not better. Young and healthy. He came out a year early he's only 25. The only reason the Ravens traded him was his insistence to play LT. The Ravens just signed Stanley at LT last year to a 5 year deal for big money. And so is Leonard Williams he has been a top 5 run defender and high pressure guy his whole career and has always been on elf the most versatile DLs in the league exact same thing the Giants planned on keeping him from the start. the only difference is one GMs name is Gettlemen. Deals were the same thing done for the right reasons.
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Post by snyder55 on Apr 24, 2021 15:14:46 GMT -5
You guys are missing the point. The chiefs have an abundance at every position bc they built their team well. The giants had some pretty decent offenses that were never able to perform bc of how bad the oline was. The chiefs fixed their situation in one offseason. The giants after 11 decided to squander any potential and let the oline deteriorate.. That fueled years of failed draft picks and FA busts at the OL positions that led to years of losing football... A decade later we're going into a season still unsure of the oline... correct me if I'm wrong here but wasn't the big reason the Chiefs lost the SB because they didn't have any quality backup O tackles to replace their injured starters...
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 24, 2021 15:26:11 GMT -5
Not for nothing, but besides JPP none of those guys you mention did anything once DG let them walk. Saying that, this is a prime example of the typical hindsight fans tend to lean on because the vast majority of people on this MB complained about JPP's lack of production and wanted him gone back then. Perhaps "void of talent" is a bit strong, but I don't think it's too far off. We needed to start from scratch. Andy Reid was hired to a 2-14 team. Immediately wen 11-5 and made the playoffs. The Browns were 1-31 the same time Dave took over here. They went 11-5 last year and won a playoff game. The Dolphins were a laughing stock. Supposedly tanking on purpose. They went 11-5 the very next year.
Whenever a HC or GM is fired and new people come in, the team is, by definition in terrible condition....Yet folks seem to want to give Dave special consideration.
Part your missing all of those franchises were light years ahead of the Giants in different ways the Browns had a solid young defense in place no need to draft there plus 2 picks in the top 5 and a few more in the top 50. Rieid took over a team that had some talent and needed a a QB he accomplished that, The Phins have been a middling team for years. Whether you care to admit or not the Giants were a mess a big mess cap issues several position groups with not enough guys under contract, over paid under performing over the hill roster, and OBJ coming off a serious injury that he has never been the same since. Giants were the worst situation Cap/ roster / front office / and most of all coaching staff. Shurmur and his late hired group was better then Mac and his guys. The Giants had to build every position group from scratch Collins wasn't worth the money and JPP wasn't saving the day, there were no OL but Flowers and Brett Jones and only BJ Goodson at LB he is on his third or 4th team. They tried to salvage some of these guys by October they were trading who they could Some were out of the league in a year or 2 Apple Snacks others continue to bounce around and others can't stay health OV who by no fault of his won was grossly over paid he was in the right place at the right time.
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Post by bluebuddha on Apr 24, 2021 15:28:49 GMT -5
You are absolutely right on this. When you get to the pro level in business you sole job is to minimize risk and guarantee profit. When you have a popular commodity hit the market the natural thing that will happen is a bidding war and the loss of the guarantee to secure that commodity. If you can give up a little capital to secure the commodity and guarantee you are the only bidder for it you succeeded getting the result you intended. Hedging is the way profitable companies stay profitable. 1. No one can guarantee if LW hit the Free agent market he would has signed with the Giants. 2. No one can guarantee that the pick that were given up would equal to a player of LWs caliber. 3. No one can guarantee LW would have signed for less money than he did here. Risk/reward story that has only hit the halfway point of the book The topic was about securing the asset not whether the asset has lived up to its value. You bring up a good point in why they should draft 4 or 5 defensive players since LW hasn't lived up to hype and he he our best player as far as QB pressure goes. We need multiple fresh meat along that dline. I was leaning toward Davonttae Smith too and and OL in the 2nd. Good point you brought up now I an back to Giants drafting defense.
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Post by giantlegacy on Apr 24, 2021 15:33:20 GMT -5
Risk/reward story that has only hit the halfway point of the book The topic was about securing the asset not whether the asset has lived up to its value. You bring up a good point in why they should draft 4 or 5 defensive players since LW hasn't lived up to hype and he he our best player as far as QB pressure goes. We need multiple fresh meat along that dline. I was leaning toward Davonttae Smith too and and OL in the 2nd. Good point you brought up now I an back to Giants drafting defense. Assenine Read my post about why we need to invest in offense this year early and often in an era where we are dangerously close to being in a bad place with trying to figure out where Jones is We have a top 10 defense with the addition of Jackson and natural progression of younger players . You cannot win championships in this era with the defense carrying the load and a game manager type offense that barely hangs on .
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Post by te88 on Apr 24, 2021 16:13:39 GMT -5
Dave gave up a 3rd and a 5th for LW who was in the last year of his contract ( Horrible trade) Not what I think . But there were more than a few that conveyed openly. It was a bad trade because it gave Williams an unfair advantage going into contract negations. KC give up a 1st, 3rd a 4th and a 5th . For Brown ( last year of his contract) a 2nd and a 6th So KC basically 1st, 3rd, 4th, and a 5th, for a 2nd ,6th and a rental. So in context how is this not a horrible deal also? Because KC is a SB contender.
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Post by allnygin on Apr 24, 2021 16:32:10 GMT -5
You guys are missing the point. The chiefs have an abundance at every position bc they built their team well. The giants had some pretty decent offenses that were never able to perform bc of how bad the oline was. The chiefs fixed their situation in one offseason. The giants after 11 decided to squander any potential and let the oline deteriorate.. That fueled years of failed draft picks and FA busts at the OL positions that led to years of losing football... A decade later we're going into a season still unsure of the oline... correct me if I'm wrong here but wasn't the big reason the Chiefs lost the SB because they didn't have any quality backup O tackles to replace their injured starters... Correct me if i'm wrong here, but didn't the cheifs make the SB? Clearly, they've built there team well. How many teams have great O-line depth?
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Post by rbe40 on Apr 24, 2021 18:00:35 GMT -5
But that is an assumption based upon a linear mind set. FA ( at least top ones) are never This , this, this and this and he his ours. It is seldom that black and white. Just take what we did with Adoree' Jackson and Kenny Golladay . They both had appointments with Other teams . One with the Ravens, the other with Philly. They never made it. That is why I believe it was a good trade because we could tag his A$$ if needed. And KC can do the same thing if needed. You are absolutely right on this. When you get to the pro level in business you sole job is to minimize risk and guarantee profit. When you have a popular commodity hit the market the natural thing that will happen is a bidding war and the loss of the guarantee to secure that commodity. If you can give up a little capital to secure the commodity and guarantee you are the only bidder for it you succeeded getting the result you intended. Hedging is the way profitable companies stay profitable. 1. No one can guarantee if LW hit the Free agent market he would has signed with the Giants. 2. No one can guarantee that the pick that were given up would equal to a player of LWs caliber. 3. No one can guarantee LW would have signed for less money than he did here. Excellent post. Hey Jordan Raanan, you listening? ^^^This is why the LW trade was a good and necessary one.
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Post by GameTime on Apr 24, 2021 18:32:55 GMT -5
KC gave up their 1st round pick for Brown because they can afford to Correct. Brown most likely will be better than anyone they draft with the 31st pick. Brown will cost them more next year as he moves to his 2nd contract. They can fit him in their cap easy. And they already worked Thuney into their cap as a FA Guard this year. KC is in win mode now, not building for the future. no doubt. They are all about keeping the momentum going.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Apr 24, 2021 18:50:57 GMT -5
Tem, Brown is no rental he is a long term fix. They are re signing him to a 4 -5 year deaI promise you. Not giving all that up for a rental. Brown is a mauler he will be at least as good as Fisher was if not better. Young and healthy. He came out a year early he's only 25. The only reason the Ravens traded him was his insistence to play LT. The Ravens just signed Stanley at LT last year to a 5 year deal for big money. So why was LW treated as a rental or Williams has the Giants by the balls by some? Williams wasn't a considered a long term fix ? I think you missed the point I was making. How was the LW situation diffrent? That is the root of my point. LW deal was considered by some a bad trade for the Giants because the picks were too much to give up for a player in a contract year. How is this dissimilar? Why did you think LW was a rental ? We did franchise him to try and sign him ? We were trying to sign him each year. I didn't feel he was treated as a rental. I always felt Gettlemen wanted to sign him long term. Some considered it a bad deal doesn't necessarily make it so. I'm sure those fans have changed their opinions. In the case of Orlando Brown I feel KC is going to try and sign him long term to protect Mahomes after giving up 4 draft picks. Unless Brown doesn't perform for KC and they're forced to make another move at OT. Brown is only 25 and should be coming into his prime. The SB showed how much they need good OT's in their lineup. I just feel there's a better chance they keep him long term than release him. I don't know Tem I wasn't thinking rental for either player when they're coming into their 2nd contract.
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Post by TCHOF on Apr 24, 2021 21:01:30 GMT -5
You are absolutely right on this. When you get to the pro level in business you sole job is to minimize risk and guarantee profit. When you have a popular commodity hit the market the natural thing that will happen is a bidding war and the loss of the guarantee to secure that commodity. If you can give up a little capital to secure the commodity and guarantee you are the only bidder for it you succeeded getting the result you intended. Hedging is the way profitable companies stay profitable. 1. No one can guarantee if LW hit the Free agent market he would has signed with the Giants. 2. No one can guarantee that the pick that were given up would equal to a player of LWs caliber. 3. No one can guarantee LW would have signed for less money than he did here. Excellent post. Hey Jordan Raanan, you listening? ^^^This is why the LW trade was a good and necessary one. Gettlemagic!!!
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Post by Sarcasman on Apr 24, 2021 23:42:30 GMT -5
Excellent post. Hey Jordan Raanan, you listening? ^^^This is why the LW trade was a good and necessary one. Gettlemagic!!! Hey! Sarcasman, feeling superfluous
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Post by TEM on Apr 25, 2021 7:15:15 GMT -5
But that is an assumption based upon a linear mind set. FA ( at least top ones) are never This , this, this and this and he his ours. It is seldom that black and white. Just take what we did with Adoree' Jackson and Kenny Golladay . They both had appointments with Other teams . One with the Ravens, the other with Philly. They never made it. That is why I believe it was a good trade because we could tag his A$$ if needed. And KC can do the same thing if needed. Don’t kid yourself, Golladay and Adoree came here because we paid them more than anyone else. We could have done that with Leo too ... and the price tag would have been a lot less than the $21M per year we just paid him. We do not know any of that. There was not offer that I was aware of on the table With Philly or The Ravens that we over bid on.. From My understanding they never even got a chance to discuss it.
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Post by TEM on Apr 25, 2021 7:16:45 GMT -5
Dave gave up a 3rd and a 5th for LW who was in the last year of his contract ( Horrible trade) Not what I think . But there were more than a few that conveyed openly. It was a bad trade because it gave Williams an unfair advantage going into contract negations. KC give up a 1st, 3rd a 4th and a 5th . For Brown ( last year of his contract) a 2nd and a 6th So KC basically 1st, 3rd, 4th, and a 5th, for a 2nd ,6th and a rental. So in context how is this not a horrible deal also? Because KC is a SB contender. I will say it again. So the mind set is . It is bad to build a team if you are not contenders. My friend that is recipe for never winning.
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Post by TEM on Apr 25, 2021 7:48:45 GMT -5
Who again is their RT? Mike Remmers!!!! Was he not one of problems in the SB? We let the guy walk because he was not a even an average OT. I would use the term "fixed their situation" lightly. They have Orlando Brown and Joe Tuney after this FA. Two big players on the oline.. I don't think you can down play that my dude, they still have a draft and players coming off of injury Look at their roster Remmers is the RT . Who are these players coming off injuries that are OTs? You did say "The chiefs fixed their situation in one offseason" They didn't. They still have a blaring problem. Their RT. If you remember whoever the Bucks put in front of Remmers . Had a field day. Here is the problem . You are only as strong as your weakest link . Every DC is going to put their best pass rusher on the weak link. Now in order to compensate for that. They'll have to give him help. That takes the TE out of the play or a guard. If it is a guard .The DC will will attack the interior line also. I will say it again. There is no number 2 on an O-line. (has been one of our main problems) The O-line only position group there is no #2. That means they have the ability to be a front line starter on every O-line in the league . Everyone of them needs to be a #1 on the line . Because if you have a #2 on you O-line as your best at the position . You line is literally #2. ( pun intended) You have been watching our O-line and claim this is not a problem? I can't count how may time I said we'll be fine when some off casts as one of our 5 . Then I came to the conclusion using #2s as stop gaps is a way to insure a poor offensive performance . ( we have proved that) Playing it down not at all. Injecting reality absolutely. The reason I am adamant we take a RT with pick 11.
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Post by TEM on Apr 25, 2021 7:59:32 GMT -5
You guys are missing the point. The chiefs have an abundance at every position bc they built their team well. The giants had some pretty decent offenses that were never able to perform bc of how bad the oline was. The chiefs fixed their situation in one offseason. The giants after 11 decided to squander any potential and let the oline deteriorate.. That fueled years of failed draft picks and FA busts at the OL positions that led to years of losing football... A decade later we're going into a season still unsure of the oline... correct me if I'm wrong here but wasn't the big reason the Chiefs lost the SB because they didn't have any quality backup O tackles to replace their injured starters... The point I am making Remmers is not even a quality back up lit alone . The #1 at his position.
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Post by TEM on Apr 25, 2021 8:16:28 GMT -5
You guys are missing the point. The chiefs have an abundance at every position bc they built their team well. The giants had some pretty decent offenses that were never able to perform bc of how bad the oline was. The chiefs fixed their situation in one offseason. The giants after 11 decided to squander any potential and let the oline deteriorate.. That fueled years of failed draft picks and FA busts at the OL positions that led to years of losing football... A decade later we're going into a season still unsure of the oline... Agreed. I've been screaming for OL since 2009-2010. That said , this is the most comfortable I've felt about the OL in as long as I can remember. I think the current group is going to improve across the board for various reasons. I also believe we're going to draft an OG early, and another OL later for depth and versatility. With Judge & Company stressing accountability, development, and teaching, I love where we're at as a team right now. We have the same problems we had last year. Who is on the right side of our line? Shane Lemieux? Matt Peart ? Neither one of them have shown they are NFL caliber Offensive line starters. Could they be ? IDK. Maybe Solder is out RT? How is he coming off a sit out? Can he still play? IDK Can Hernandez play RG? IDK Who is our Left guard ? Hernandez , he was benched. Lemieux? He could not block anyone. ( that is flat out scary) This is the least comfortable I have been . Because we did not even bring in a stop gap in as an insurance policy . For all we know 3 fifths of or line could be number threes.
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Post by snyder55 on Apr 25, 2021 8:39:17 GMT -5
correct me if I'm wrong here but wasn't the big reason the Chiefs lost the SB because they didn't have any quality backup O tackles to replace their injured starters... Correct me if i'm wrong here, but didn't the cheifs make the SB? Clearly, they've built there team well. How many teams have great O-line depth? yes the Chiefs made it to the SB and thats great but the point was that they lost the game because they had no quality backups when their starters went down ...
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Post by piddy283 on Apr 25, 2021 9:43:17 GMT -5
Agreed. I've been screaming for OL since 2009-2010. That said , this is the most comfortable I've felt about the OL in as long as I can remember. I think the current group is going to improve across the board for various reasons. I also believe we're going to draft an OG early, and another OL later for depth and versatility. With Judge & Company stressing accountability, development, and teaching, I love where we're at as a team right now. We have the same problems we had last year. Who is on the right side of our line? Shane Lemieux? Matt Peart ? Neither one of them have shown they are NFL caliber Offensive line starters. Could they be ? IDK. Maybe Solder is out RT? How is he coming off a sit out? Can he still play? IDK Can Hernandez play RG? IDK Who is our Left guard ? Hernandez , he was benched. Lemieux? He could not block anyone. ( that is flat out scary) This is the least comfortable I have been . Because we did not even bring in a stop gap in as an insurance policy . For all we know 3 fifths of or line could be number threes. I completely disagree. Last year we had 3 rookies on the OL, a new coaching staff, a 2nd year QB having to learn his 2nd offense, COVID & Opt-out's, and no off-season. The "problems" we face today do not compare to last year. That said, the majority of the concerns around our OL are based on the unknown. These concerns are not wrong, the unknowns are real, but we have to allow players to develop. We also have the draft to patch up any remaining questions or concerns. Because of the foundation in place, we have options. We can draft a highly touted OG to compete for a starting gig. We can draft a highly touted Center and slide Gates to OG. We can draft a highly touted OT to compete with Peart. We can draft a versatile OL as insurance for any injury. I also consider the fact Judge & Friends will have their hands on these guys teaching them over the next few months. I may be jumping the gun with Judge, but I have the utmost confidence in him and his ability to bring talent out in his players. I've loved everything about his approach so far. The way I see it, we have a young, promising group of players who should only get better with an actual off-season. OT's:Thomas showed noticeable improvement as the season progressed. Unless we're completely pessimistic, with a proper off-season we have to assume he'll continue to improve. Peart was a 3rd round pick. Coming out of college he had all the tools you want in an OT, but needed to hit the weight room. With a proper off-season, which he didn't have last year, he should get considerably stronger. Solder will be our swing tackle. It appears his family situation is better, or that he's a better state mentally. I can't imagine having to play a sport knowing your son was battling a rare, potentially fatal disease. If there's an injury, or if Peart doesn't pan out, Solder can slide in. OG's: Lemieux was a 5th round pick. He flashed enough promise for me to think he'll improve with a proper off-season. Hernandez may ultimately be a backup, but I expect improvement. Despite everyone's medical opinion, he got hit with COVID last season. Nobody knows how that impacted him physically. He's also training been training with Duke Mayweather who's highly regarded. I'm interested to see how he responds with his back against the wall. Fulton is an experienced veteran brought in to be a potential insurance policy, or stop gap, if Lemieux and Hernandez both don't pan out. Based on his experience, he may even compete for a starting role Day 1. Center: Gates was a pleasant surprise last year. There might be better players out there, but he's more than adequate and his attitude is what every OL needs. The fact he was new to the position and didn't have a proper off-season to prepare makes it all the more impressive. If we decide to upgrade the Center position, we can slide Gates to OG which was his natural position from what I understand. Harrison is an experienced veteran and a solid backup. Draft: OG/C with the expectation he starts Day 1. Between Lemieux, Hernandez, Fulton, and a high draft pick, we should have at least two adequate OG's. OT/OG for depth and to development.
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Post by GameTime on Apr 25, 2021 10:17:25 GMT -5
The Chiefs in their situation are the polar opposite of the NYGs.
Comparing the two teams, even in regards to the OL, makes no sense.
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Post by Morehead State on Apr 25, 2021 10:20:23 GMT -5
The Chiefs in their situation are the polar opposite of the NYGs. Comparing the two teams, even in regards to the OL, makes no sense. Here's the only comparison that matters...
They're good at this and we aren't.
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