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Post by Rangers13 on Apr 28, 2021 7:13:18 GMT -5
I picked Devonta Smith because I think he will be ranked very highly on our board, I'm just not sure if he will be there. Once he won the Heisman I figured he would be gone. 1800 yards and 23 TDs? YES PLEASE. How's this for a hot take. You add Smith or Waddle to this offense we are a top 10 offense and Jones is an MVP candidate!Not if they dont do something to improve this Oline.... almost 10 years of evidence yet it doesn’t matter. Even the Chiefs’ offense in the Bowl went dysfunctional with OL issues they just added a Pro-Bowler. SMH. Have to laugh
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Post by Rangers13 on Apr 28, 2021 7:15:28 GMT -5
Any skill position - Giants are a playoff team Any lineman - Why didn’t the Giants trade back? Any defender - fire Gettleman Ridiculous it’s my take on many of the fans reaction. Bank on it
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Post by TEM on Apr 28, 2021 7:17:47 GMT -5
Christian Darrisaw. We need a RT. I do not think there will be 4 let alone 5 QBs taken in the top 10 . I think Fields and Lance fall out of the top 10. If that happens Slater and Sewell will be gone at 11.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Apr 28, 2021 7:23:36 GMT -5
Christian Darrisaw. We need a RT. I do not think there will be 4 let alone 5 QBs taken in the top 10 . I think Fields and Lance fall out of the top 10. If that happens Slater and Sewell will be gone at 11. I would probably like to trade back if we cant get the top 2 Olinemen. At some point mid round, the defensive players are going to start rolling off and pushing back some offensive players.
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Post by TEM on Apr 28, 2021 7:25:25 GMT -5
Christian Darrisaw. We need a RT. I do not think there will be 4 let alone 5 QBs taken in the top 10 . I think Fields and Lance fall out of the top 10. If that happens Slater and Sewell will be gone at 11. I would probably like to trade back if we cant get the top 2 Olinemen. At some point mid round, the defensive players are going to start rolling off and pushing back some offensive players. Darrisaw is a very good OT. He actually played is 2020
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Post by TheAnalyst on Apr 28, 2021 7:46:34 GMT -5
I would probably like to trade back if we cant get the top 2 Olinemen. At some point mid round, the defensive players are going to start rolling off and pushing back some offensive players. Darrisaw is a very good OT. He actually played is 2020 Yeah still. Id like to trade back to get more draft capital since we only have 6 picks. Only having 6 picks really bothers me. I see teams like the Eagles having 11 and Jags having 10. We need more picks.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 28, 2021 7:46:52 GMT -5
Still chose Waddle don't believe they will draft DT this year Maybe Horn or Sertain if the WRs are gone. I think it's a toss up if then of the corners are there and Slater is there. I wouldn't count out Vera Tucker either. Oh I'm not advocating Barmore as our 11 pick...his name was brought up and I remember his championship game being vintage awesome against a great OL....but you know Gettleman is propping him up in those draft meetings. He's a huge round 2 value though...the tape of the Buckeyes college football championship game screams top 5...if he motored like that every game. Absolutely thats a guy who can fill DTs shoes maybe it took DT a couple years but when he learned he was as good as it gets. Thats one thing Gettlemen never gets credit for he said they moved Snacks to get Dalvin up, the pipe line was clogged up with highly paid vet that was close to the end. Agree 100% Barrimore would be big time value at 42 can still get tackle or Guard in 3 or and edge that seems like a sweet spot for some edge players.
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Post by jmike on Apr 28, 2021 7:51:31 GMT -5
FWIW Bucky Bruce has both Waddle and Smith falling to us and both corners and Parsons going ahead of us.. He chose Waddle IDK about you but I would be happy with either Smith or Waddle. If either of them are there I don't see how they won't be the top players remaining. Lot of guys in this draft I like, but those two are at the top of the list. I'm a bit torn, I'd like to see both still there so the Giants can pick their preferred one of them. The benefit of only one being there is that neither will be an Eagle. Of the two, which would you prefer? Which do you think is more likely to still be there for the Giants?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2021 7:52:27 GMT -5
I went Slater because I'm tired of the oline excuse!
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Post by TCHOF on Apr 28, 2021 8:18:50 GMT -5
it’s my take on many of the fans reaction. Bank on it Oh ... well then it looks spot on!
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Post by TCHOF on Apr 28, 2021 8:24:08 GMT -5
I would probably like to trade back if we cant get the top 2 Olinemen. At some point mid round, the defensive players are going to start rolling off and pushing back some offensive players. Darrisaw is a very good OT. He actually played is 2020 I have heard some stuff on him questioning whether or not he gives consistent effort ... that's a no go for me.
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Post by OrangeGiant on Apr 28, 2021 8:43:06 GMT -5
My gut has been telling me Waddle for awhile now. I don't really know why, and I don't necessarily think he is at the top of their list, but I do think that is who we end up with.
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Post by cruzsoldier on Apr 28, 2021 10:09:54 GMT -5
Slater, Smith, Waddle would be the impact players day one on offense for our team. I think Parsons and Phillips on defense would be the only day one impact starters. Adding Waddle to this offense would change the way defenses have to play our offense. That would benefit the run game immensely. I believe Smith and Slater will go ahead of Waddle so I chose Waddle.
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Post by GameTime on Apr 28, 2021 10:41:21 GMT -5
18.5 points per game.
they need an offensive day one impact starter.
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Post by lexington11 on Apr 28, 2021 10:48:15 GMT -5
18.5 points per game. they need an offensive day one impact starter. agree 100% they also can’t afford to reach. This is the draft that helps propel the turn around.
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Post by IrishMike on Apr 28, 2021 11:03:13 GMT -5
Not if they dont do something to improve this Oline.... What if I said that players that are rookies can improve? I know it's an odd concept for Giants fans but what if we had an OL coach that made his players get better and not worse? Hasn't happened since the TC days but if Judge wants to stay an NFL coach then he will need to get players to improve over what they were in college.
This is a team sport. Our defense was horrible in 2019 because our DBs could not cover anyone. Remember that year with all the WRs just running free and uncovered? Fast forward to the next season with several great pieces added to the DB squad and suddenly (with the help of a new staff) our D was one of the best in the league. Offenses work the same way. The best offensive line on earth can't help if your WRs are not getting open. The best OL can't help if the D can send 5-6 players to rush the QB because there is not threat from WRs and TEs doing anything. You get WRs that threaten the D and suddenly things are a little easier for the OL.
Also there are more rounds to draft players than just the first round. Round 2 in particular should have some very talented OL in it.
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Post by IrishMike on Apr 28, 2021 11:05:01 GMT -5
Not if they dont do something to improve this Oline.... almost 10 years of evidence yet it doesn’t matter. Even the Chiefs’ offense in the Bowl went dysfunctional with OL issues they just added a Pro-Bowler. SMH. Have to laugh Pretty sure they had some injury issues that would sink any team.
I have not seen a single person around here suggest we ignore the OL.
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Post by jmike on Apr 28, 2021 11:08:36 GMT -5
almost 10 years of evidence yet it doesn’t matter. Even the Chiefs’ offense in the Bowl went dysfunctional with OL issues they just added a Pro-Bowler. SMH. Have to laugh Pretty sure they had some injury issues that would sink any team.
I have not seen a single person around here suggest we ignore the OL.
This guy did.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Apr 28, 2021 11:10:23 GMT -5
Not if they dont do something to improve this Oline.... What if I said that players that are rookies can improve? I know it's an odd concept for Giants fans but what if we had an OL coach that made his players get better and not worse? Hasn't happened since the TC days but if Judge wants to stay an NFL coach then he will need to get players to improve over what they were in college.
This is a team sport. Our defense was horrible in 2019 because our DBs could not cover anyone. Remember that year with all the WRs just running free and uncovered? Fast forward to the next season with several great pieces added to the DB squad and suddenly (with the help of a new staff) our D was one of the best in the league. Offenses work the same way. The best offensive line on earth can't help if your WRs are not getting open. The best OL can't help if the D can send 5-6 players to rush the QB because there is not threat from WRs and TEs doing anything. You get WRs that threaten the D and suddenly things are a little easier for the OL.
Also there are more rounds to draft players than just the first round. Round 2 in particular should have some very talented OL in it.
Im really just playing devils advocate here since I do want a WR, but we got a couple of WRs who should be able to get open already. Golladay and Ross and Shep and Engram. The young guys SHOULD improve but it is not a given. IMO, we need better play at both G positions and both T positions. My hope is Thomas develops into a stud dependable LT and I think there is a good possibility of that. Hernandez Im just not sure about. Gates took over the C spot. Losing Zeitler is rough. Lemieux? Still an unknown IMO. RT? Peart? Maybe. I feel OL is still the biggest need of the team to make the team better going forward. Hopefully the coaching makes it less of a need than a lot of us think, and that can happen.
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Post by IrishMike on Apr 28, 2021 11:16:44 GMT -5
Im really just playing devils advocate here since I do want a WR, but we got a couple of WRs who should be able to get open already. Golladay and Ross and Shep and Engram. The young guys SHOULD improve but it is not a given. IMO, we need better play at both G positions and both T positions. My hope is Thomas develops into a stud dependable LT and I think there is a good possibility of that. Hernandez Im just not sure about. Gates took over the C spot. Losing Zeitler is rough. Lemieux? Still an unknown IMO. RT? Peart? Maybe. I feel OL is still the biggest need of the team to make the team better going forward. Hopefully the coaching makes it less of a need than a lot of us think, and that can happen. Let's be honest, there are question marks at both WR/TE and OL. I actually agree that the OL (maybe edge rusher) is the biggest need, I just don't think that means we go OL in round 1. We at least don't HAVE to. If Slater or Sewell are there and rated higher than the WR take that guy and don't think twice. There are some very good WRs possible for round 2. There are also some very good OGs possible. So take the better player.
I worry about Ross with injuries and the dropsies he has had, but I think he could be really interesting with his speed. Engram I completely give up on other than 1st and 2nd down in the first and 3rd quarters. Any pressure situation I assume he will drop it. Waddle or Smith completely change this offense and how teams play us which will help the OL. In the end if we take the best player I'll be happy.
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Post by TCHOF on Apr 28, 2021 11:20:36 GMT -5
Another mock with us taking Paye:
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2021 11:23:22 GMT -5
What if I said that players that are rookies can improve? I know it's an odd concept for Giants fans but what if we had an OL coach that made his players get better and not worse? Hasn't happened since the TC days but if Judge wants to stay an NFL coach then he will need to get players to improve over what they were in college.
This is a team sport. Our defense was horrible in 2019 because our DBs could not cover anyone. Remember that year with all the WRs just running free and uncovered? Fast forward to the next season with several great pieces added to the DB squad and suddenly (with the help of a new staff) our D was one of the best in the league. Offenses work the same way. The best offensive line on earth can't help if your WRs are not getting open. The best OL can't help if the D can send 5-6 players to rush the QB because there is not threat from WRs and TEs doing anything. You get WRs that threaten the D and suddenly things are a little easier for the OL.
Also there are more rounds to draft players than just the first round. Round 2 in particular should have some very talented OL in it.
Im really just playing devils advocate here since I do want a WR, but we got a couple of WRs who should be able to get open already. Golladay and Ross and Shep and Engram. The young guys SHOULD improve but it is not a given. IMO, we need better play at both G positions and both T positions. My hope is Thomas develops into a stud dependable LT and I think there is a good possibility of that. Hernandez Im just not sure about. Gates took over the C spot. Losing Zeitler is rough. Lemieux? Still an unknown IMO. RT? Peart? Maybe. I feel OL is still the biggest need of the team to make the team better going forward. Hopefully the coaching makes it less of a need than a lot of us think, and that can happen. That would be a nice change..
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Post by GameTime on Apr 28, 2021 11:29:15 GMT -5
Another mock with us taking Paye: I wonder why so many mocks have the NYGs taking Paye. I really dont have anything against the kid but his value at 11 is questionable and he isnt the pass rusher they need or want IMO. I am biased because I really want a WR or OL at 11.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2021 11:37:49 GMT -5
Another mock with us taking Paye: Looks like they are using the Getty factor with their thinking for this pick.. LOL
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Post by nyg2 on Apr 28, 2021 12:50:00 GMT -5
I would probably like to trade back if we cant get the top 2 Olinemen. At some point mid round, the defensive players are going to start rolling off and pushing back some offensive players. Darrisaw is a very good OT. He actually played is 2020 He was also playing hurt, don't know how eager DG would be taking someone who isn't fully healed yet. Although, I wouldn't be against the pick.
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Post by Kase1 on Apr 28, 2021 13:06:05 GMT -5
Darrisaw is a very good OT. He actually played is 2020 I have heard some stuff on him questioning whether or not he gives consistent effort ... that's a no go for me. Thats like his BIGGEST weakness. He doesnt give consistent effort, he has sloppy technique, and is sometimes the dreaded L word, LAZY. He has all the athletic ability and length you want, but he just doesnt seem to have shown the 'fight' that you want in your OL. He doesnt show that killer mentality like Jenkins or Sewell '' By Lance Zierlein
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Overview
Athletically gifted left tackle prospect with the natural talent to be as good as he wants to be. Darrisaw plays with plus body control. He has the initial quickness and smooth agility to get to any and all blocks in the run game. The tape shows a player who's able to make jaw-dropping cutoffs on the backside but who gives half-hearted effort securing down blocks and squeezing down to help protect the B-gap. He's flexible and loose in pass pro, with the foot quickness and hand strength to punch and close up shop on would-be edge rushers. His mirror can get a little lazy at times, and he will definitely need to do a better job of finishing his blocks. The low-burn field demeanor leads to inconsistencies in play, but the athletic traits and talent as a true left tackle should create first-round demand as a higher-ceiling, lower-floor prospect.
Strengths
Split low with optimal center of gravity.
Natural bender who's able to keep his pad level right.
Silky-smooth feet in pass slides.
Strong hands help him lock in after punch has landed.
Athletic feet to mirror and move in all directions.
Ability to quick-set wide rushers and short-circuit their angles.
Body control and balance generally solid throughout the rep.
Lower-body bend to doorstop a bull rush.
Has talent and athleticism to make all the blocks at any angle.
Lateral quickness off the snap is fantastic.
Enticing combination of feet, hips and hand strength.
Tunnel-maker with ability to reach, turn and secure cutback lanes.
Very effective cut blocker.
Keeps eyes trained on second-level targets through his secure blocks.
Agility to stalk and connect against moving targets.
Eliminated most penalties over the last two seasons.
Weaknesses
Play can be much too nonchalant at times.
Inexplicably lets opponents off the hook early rather than finishing them.
Too reliant upon athleticism over technique.
Low hands lead to occasional late punches.
Opens outside hip a little early in his pass slides.
Allows defender into his frame more than he should.
Needs committed power step inside to protect B-gap.
Inconsistent working a firm, accurate outside hand.
Lazy with hand placement on down blocks.
Rushes through secure block on combos.''
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Post by southerner on Apr 28, 2021 13:06:12 GMT -5
What good is Waddle or Smith if Jones is sacked?l...lThe Giants must improve their Oline......if possible the only sensible move is to trade down. There are plenty of WRs later in the draft that could be just as good as any of the first round WRs. It is easy to standout on Alabama when every other player on the offense is NFL material. Giants need Oline and defensive pass rush players before any WRs. Getting another WR in the 1st will do little to improve the Giants this year, and would do next to nothing to better protect Jones.
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Post by giantlegacy on Apr 28, 2021 13:13:09 GMT -5
Another mock with us taking Paye: Looks like they are using the Getty factor with their thinking for this pick.. LOL Basically this
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Post by jmike on Apr 28, 2021 13:13:26 GMT -5
What good is Waddle or Smith if Jones is sacked?l...lThe Giants must improve their Oline......if possible the only sensible move is to trade down. There are plenty of WRs later in the draft that could be just as good as any of the first round WRs. It is easy to standout on Alabama when every other player on the offense is NFL material. Giants need Oline and defensive pass rush players before any WRs. Getting another WR in the 1st will do little to improve the Giants this year, and would do next to nothing to better protect Jones. There are ways to improve the OL without spending a 1st round pick there. I would fully support using that pick on the OL, but there are solid players throughout this draft and the kids on the roster now might surprise us. They may have shown more to the coaches to give them confidence than we have seen.
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Post by southerner on Apr 28, 2021 14:09:54 GMT -5
What good is Waddle or Smith if Jones is sacked?l...lThe Giants must improve their Oline......if possible the only sensible move is to trade down. There are plenty of WRs later in the draft that could be just as good as any of the first round WRs. It is easy to standout on Alabama when every other player on the offense is NFL material. Giants need Oline and defensive pass rush players before any WRs. Getting another WR in the 1st will do little to improve the Giants this year, and would do next to nothing to better protect Jones. There are ways to improve the OL without spending a 1st round pick there. I would fully support using that pick on the OL, but there are solid players throughout this draft and the kids on the roster now might surprise us. They may have shown more to the coaches to give them confidence than we have seen. Maybe, but taking a WR in the first is something Reese would have done (Odell), when the team needs offensive line help.....Reese ignored the Oline, I think Gettleman is smarter than that.
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