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Post by Rangers13 on Apr 30, 2021 8:18:53 GMT -5
Smh and lol.
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Post by devilsadvocate on Apr 30, 2021 8:59:28 GMT -5
Toney is a good player but WR is not a position of need. OL, DE could have been addressed at 11. Before you jump all over me, I recognize that the draft capital that was acquired in exchange for trading down was excellent. IMO that was fantastic but I still would have preferred to draft an area of need instead of strength.
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Post by Morehead State on Apr 30, 2021 9:01:37 GMT -5
Toney is a good player but WR is not a position of need. OL, DE could have been addressed at 11. Before you jump all over me, I recognize that the draft capital that was acquired in exchange for trading down was excellent. IMO that was fantastic but I still would have preferred to draft an area of need instead of strength. WR is a position of desperate need for us. The Toney pick was the right one. I'm still PO'd however that the Eagles jumped us for Smith.
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Post by Nick6475 on Apr 30, 2021 9:22:21 GMT -5
The only reason people hate this pick is because they don't know who Toney is and assume he must have been a reach. If they had taken Bateman then those same people would probably call this the greatest first round in Giants history.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Apr 30, 2021 9:53:30 GMT -5
Most excited Iāve been about a draft in a long time. We didnāt panic, we set ourselves up for something crazy next year. I love it. I agree. Next years draft everyone will be happy. An extra 1st and 4th. Tony was one of the WR's in the 2nd tier of top WR's Tony, Bateman, Moore from what I've seen and read. He's a playmaker also. A Jaylon Waddle type player. With Barkley and Goladay with Tony as our 3rd weapon our offense might actually score points.
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Post by redbeardxxv on Apr 30, 2021 11:14:58 GMT -5
Toney is a good player but WR is not a position of need. OL, DE could have been addressed at 11. Before you jump all over me, I recognize that the draft capital that was acquired in exchange for trading down was excellent. IMO that was fantastic but I still would have preferred to draft an area of need instead of strength. He'd likely end up as a slot guy, where Sterling Shepherd currently plays. Problem is, Shepherd's expensive and 1 hit away from the end of his career. This guy could step in and provide a much better option at less than 1/2 the cost. The draft capitol could be used as extra picks, or as a package deal to replace DJ next year if the situation calls for it. IMO, JJ killed round 1. He showed his Belichick lineage. What's done is done, so either way, we're on to Cincinnati. Uh, I mean Cleveland. Uh, Round 2.
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Post by Sarcasman on Apr 30, 2021 11:17:11 GMT -5
The only reason people hate this pick is because they don't know who Toney is and assume he must have been a reach. If they had taken Bateman then those same people would probably call this the greatest first round in Giants history. I agree, letās try not to lose our heads, after all we are talking about WRs here.
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Post by jmike on Apr 30, 2021 11:29:11 GMT -5
This is what we are getting THIS is what I wanted this year We.now have him on a rookie deal With him and Barkley we have two very difficult players to contain once the ball is in their hands. If the OL's play improves I think we will see a significant improvement in offensive production this year. I really wanted Waddle or Smith, but with them off the board, I'm quite content with Toney and an extra first next year.
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Post by jmike on Apr 30, 2021 11:31:37 GMT -5
You're absolutely right on that, but there's something else... DJ has 1 year to show that he's the guy going forward. If he shows us otherwise, we now have 2 first round picks to use to leverage a position to get replacement. Trading with the Bears, who appear to be a bottom of the league team with a new rookie QB, could net us a high pick to start with... On the other hand, if DJ proves himself, well, you already covered that. Yeah, we let Parsons go to the Cowpies and Philthy got Smith, but we've ensured our future no matter what happens with DJ. That's priceless moving forward. Right? You could almost think that DG was thinking ahead and risking his job to improve the Giants going forward. But that's not possible. Anyway, I heard JJ is making all the decisions now, I'm still not sure why we are talking about DG. DG only makes the bad decisions. All the good decisions are Judge's.
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Post by SG88 on Apr 30, 2021 11:31:54 GMT -5
and a 2022 first round pick. Perfect compliment to Kenny Golladay and we don't have to worry about resigning shep. I honestly would look to trading him or Slayton to be honest. We should be able to get a mid round draft pick in return for either of them.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2021 11:32:37 GMT -5
and a 2022 first round pick. Perfect compliment to Kenny Golladay and we don't have to worry about resigning shep. I honestly would look to trading him or Slayton to be honest. We should be able to get a mid round draft pick in return for either of them. That's what I was thinking..
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Post by SG88 on Apr 30, 2021 11:34:03 GMT -5
This is what we are getting THIS is what I wanted this year We.now have him on a rookie deal People are bitching because it isn't the playmaker that THEY wanted. It happens every single year. X team drafts a player that Y fan didn't want. Y fan complains and thinks that the sky is falling.
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Post by SG88 on Apr 30, 2021 11:40:15 GMT -5
Dude a lot more than 2% hate the pick. You should see the shit storm on Facebook lol. Anyway I think Toney will be able to make an impact from day 1. I'm excited to see how we'll use him. Go to BBV .. It's a totally different woeld.than here At least 50% hate it (it's dwmning when old school Ed that runs that place loves the pick and he gets lit up for being "a sell out " Thanks for reminding me to stay away from that minefield that is BBV. I would also suggest to stay away from talking shop on FB as well. If you're even remotely critical of the team, you're an idiot and not a REAL fan. Lol
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Post by allnygin on Apr 30, 2021 11:42:13 GMT -5
and a 2022 first round pick. Perfect compliment to Kenny Golladay and we don't have to worry about resigning shep. I honestly would look to trading him or Slayton to be honest. We should be able to get a mid round draft pick in return for either of them. Why on earth would you trade KG after signing him? And slayton who's on a rookie deal who can produce? We are one year removed from having an abysmal offense. These moves Toney and Golladay were to help fix that. Slayton will also help now that he's not going to be a focus of other teams. KG is a legit one we don't have that outside of him.
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Post by Kruunch on Apr 30, 2021 11:43:56 GMT -5
This is what we are getting THIS is what I wanted this year We.now have him on a rookie deal People are bitching because it isn't the playmaker that THEY wanted. It happens every single year. X team drafts a player that Y fan didn't want. Y fan complains and thinks that the sky is falling. Basically, fans are being fans.. When the whole fan base agrees about a player is when Iāll start to be concerned.
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Post by Nick6475 on Apr 30, 2021 11:45:20 GMT -5
I honestly would look to trading him or Slayton to be honest. We should be able to get a mid round draft pick in return for either of them. Why on earth would you trade KG after signing him? And slayton who's on a rookie deal who can produce? We are one year removed from having an abysmal offense. These moves Toney and Golladay were to help fix that. Slayton will also help now that he's not going to be a focus of other teams. KG is a legit one we don't have that outside of him. I think he meant Shephard, not Golladay.
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Post by allnygin on Apr 30, 2021 11:46:59 GMT -5
Why on earth would you trade KG after signing him? And slayton who's on a rookie deal who can produce? We are one year removed from having an abysmal offense. These moves Toney and Golladay were to help fix that. Slayton will also help now that he's not going to be a focus of other teams. KG is a legit one we don't have that outside of him. I think he meant Shephard, not Golladay. Oh in that case, yeah I can see trading shep, but teams will probably wait till he hits the market.. never know though. Would be worth looking into
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Post by SG88 on Apr 30, 2021 11:52:44 GMT -5
I honestly would look to trading him or Slayton to be honest. We should be able to get a mid round draft pick in return for either of them. Why on earth would you trade KG after signing him? And slayton who's on a rookie deal who can produce? We are one year removed from having an abysmal offense. These moves Toney and Golladay were to help fix that. Slayton will also help now that he's not going to be a focus of other teams. KG is a legit one we don't have that outside of him.Ā I was talking about Shepard or Slayton. I thought that would go without having to explain
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Post by SG88 on Apr 30, 2021 11:54:16 GMT -5
People are bitching because it isn't the playmaker that THEY wanted. It happens every single year. X team drafts a player that Y fan didn't want. Y fan complains and thinks that the sky is falling. Basically, fans are being fans.. When the whole fan base agrees about a player is when Iāll start to be concerned.Ā That's fair. Some of the fans I saw online were raging like my daughter does when she is playing Fortnite. Lol
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Post by allnygin on Apr 30, 2021 11:55:16 GMT -5
Why on earth would you trade KG after signing him? And slayton who's on a rookie deal who can produce? We are one year removed from having an abysmal offense. These moves Toney and Golladay were to help fix that. Slayton will also help now that he's not going to be a focus of other teams. KG is a legit one we don't have that outside of him. I was talking about Shepard or Slayton. I thought that would go without having to explain Sheppard yeah, but I doubt anyone picks him up in his last year worth exploring (wait how long does he have i'm not sure to be honest), and trading slayton would be kinda foolish
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Post by krappdetector on Apr 30, 2021 12:05:00 GMT -5
Jeez, fans complain for 4 years that Gettleman never trades, then complain when he does. After this year's spending spree the Giants will probably be limited next year. Having that extra first round pick will be beyond clutch. Especially in a draft that could be deep with edge rushers. Absolutely NO complaint about the trade.. it was excellent.And I don't even think Toney was a reach. But we needed ANOTHER WR to determine Daniel Jones' worth?? Wasn't Darius Slayton, Sterling Shepard, Kenny Golladay, John Ross, Evan Engram, AND Saquon Barkley... plus a few no names, enough? Now there will likely be no decent OT's or Edges left by our 2nd round pick. Then what?
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Post by GameTime on Apr 30, 2021 12:08:23 GMT -5
This is what we are getting THIS is what I wanted this year We.now have him on a rookie deal This kid is an ankle breaker. I like the value. At first I thought Gettelman was screwing up the draft but then I realized Judge was actually saving it. is this MH?
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Post by jaymas on Apr 30, 2021 12:08:40 GMT -5
This is what we are getting THIS is what I wanted this year We.now have him on a rookie deal This kid is an ankle breaker. I like the value. At first I thought Gettelman was screwing up the draft but then I realized Judge was actually saving it. Oh I thought Judge was screwing it up, but then DG said, move aside youngster, I'll show em I can trade back. I just can't keep it straight anymore whose team it is.
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Post by GameTime on Apr 30, 2021 12:09:45 GMT -5
Toney is a good player but WR is not a position of need. OL, DE could have been addressed at 11. Before you jump all over me, I recognize that the draft capital that was acquired in exchange for trading down was excellent. IMO that was fantastic but I still would have preferred to draft an area of need instead of strength. He'd likely end up as a slot guy, where Sterling Shepherd currently plays. Problem is, Shepherd's expensive and 1 hit away from the end of his career. This guy could step in and provide a much better option at less than 1/2 the cost. The draft capitol could be used as extra picks, or as a package deal to replace DJ next year if the situation calls for it. IMO, JJ killed round 1. He showed his Belichick lineage. What's done is done, so either way, we're on to Cincinnati. Uh, I mean Cleveland. Uh, Round 2. he will be a down the field field player as well. He is not just a slot player.
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Post by giantlegacy on Apr 30, 2021 12:12:44 GMT -5
He'd likely end up as a slot guy, where Sterling Shepherd currently plays. Problem is, Shepherd's expensive and 1 hit away from the end of his career. This guy could step in and provide a much better option at less than 1/2 the cost. The draft capitol could be used as extra picks, or as a package deal to replace DJ next year if the situation calls for it. IMO, JJ killed round 1. He showed his Belichick lineage. What's done is done, so either way, we're on to Cincinnati. Uh, I mean Cleveland. Uh, Round 2. he will be a down the field field player as well. He is not just a slot player.Ā Yep Simple sluggo option routes while in motion..
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Post by Kruunch on Apr 30, 2021 12:16:59 GMT -5
Jeez, fans complain for 4 years that Gettleman never trades, then complain when he does. After this year's spending spree the Giants will probably be limited next year. Having that extra first round pick will be beyond clutch. Especially in a draft that could be deep with edge rushers. Absolutely NO complaint about the trade.. it was excellent. And I don't even think Toney was a reach. But we needed ANOTHER WR to determine Daniel Jones' worth?? Wasn't Darius Slayton, Sterling Shepard, Kenny Golladay, John Ross, Evan Engram, AND Saquon Barkley... plus a few no names, enough? Now there will likely be no decent OT's or Edges left by our 2nd round pick. Then what? The Giants made it all about giving weapons for Jones this offseason. When the owner says the offense is ābrokenā you know that every course of action is going into fixing that. And Iām with you, thereās only one football on the field. Hard to share the wealth with so many hungry mouths. And it all goes to shit if the big guys up front donāt do their job. The thing I do like is that the excuses for Jones are all but used up like a urinal at a sporting event. If he canāt get it done with all these weapons, then I would send him packing on the earliest flight.
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Post by Martin on Apr 30, 2021 12:18:53 GMT -5
I believe that Slayton is the sleeper in all this. Slayton is not gonna be doubled and my guess is that he's gonna have a great year because of it.
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Post by giantlegacy on Apr 30, 2021 12:22:47 GMT -5
I believe that Slayton is the sleeper in all this. Slayton is not gonna be doubled and my guess is that he's gonna have a great year because of it. Yep Slayton breaks out bigtime Any chance Shepard gets moved before the season starts if Toney shows a ton in Preseason ?
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Post by Martin on Apr 30, 2021 12:23:41 GMT -5
he will be a down the field field player as well. He is not just a slot player. Yep Simple sluggo option routes while in motion.. This also can be used as a decoy to clear out the free safety and hit the TE over the middle. The play book opens up like Mosses parting the Red Sea.
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Post by Sarcasman on Apr 30, 2021 12:23:54 GMT -5
I believe that Slayton is the sleeper in all this. Slayton is not gonna be doubled and my guess is that he's gonna have a great year because of it. Yep Slayton breaks out bigtime Any chance Shepard gets moved before the season starts if Toney shows a ton in Preseason ? What's his value? A fourth or fifth?
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