Kadarius Toney Character Concerns-

[TheAnalyst]

This is not a bash Toney thread. It is just something I am learning about right now. I was harsh on the Giants for drafting Baker after finding out they knew about his character concerns. I was harsh on learning about Parsons immaturity issues. Now I see this about Toney:

Some background on Toney’s off-field incidents at Florida:

In May of 2018, Toney was detained — not arrested — by Gainesville police for an on-campus confrontation between Florida players and locals where he painted an air-soft gun to look like an AR-15 assault rifle. According to reports, Toney and a teammate were caught “holding and pointing what appears to be an assault rifle at other individuals on campus.”

In July of 2018, police officers pulled Toney over for a seatbelt violation and during the stop discovered a loaded AR-15 in the backseat of his car. He was initially handcuffed for safety reasons — due to the presence of the weapon in the vehicle — but was eventually released once it was determined that Toney wasn’t violating Florida’s open-carry law.

Toney was eventually suspended for the Gators’ season opener that year.

- So, he didn't do anything wrong here. That said, he openly carries an AR15 for some reason which I personally find to be nothing but trouble. I am against civilians being able to own such powerful guns. My opinion.

They say hey fully vetted him and believe in his character but, they also said the same with Baker (Gettleman did, Judge was not here).

The Giants were well aware of all of that, which is why they spent so much time digging into Toney’s background and mining their resources for information. Judge pointed out that senior defensive assistant Jeremy Pruitt recruited Toney out of high school when he was an assistant at Alabama and had an established relationship with him already.

“We have numerous coaches that spent a long time recruiting, have had this guy in summer camps for multiple days at a time and had extended exposure to him,” Judge said.

“We spent time with him in person to get to know the person there and that continues,” Pettit said. “Listen, if there was a concern with him, he wouldn’t have been on our board.”

www.nj.com/giants/2021/04/in-kadarius-toney-giants-drafted-a-player-with-off-field-issues-at-florida-but-they-still-dont-think-hes-the-next-deandre-baker.html?outputType=amp

So, if you were against drafting Parsons because of his past, is this something that concerns you?

I didn't realize all these gun things were in his past. Nothing I see since 2018 when he was 19-20 year old, but, Florida is a school that buries a lot of incidents and wrong doings for their football players.

Hopefully it is all in the past.

[BigBlueDog42]

Apr 30, 2021 17:41:47 GMT -5 TheAnalyst said:

This is not a bash Toney thread. It is just something I am learning about right now. I was harsh on the Giants for drafting Baker after finding out they knew about his character concerns. I was harsh on learning about Parsons immaturity issues. Now I see this about Toney:

Some background on Toney’s off-field incidents at Florida:

In May of 2018, Toney was detained — not arrested — by Gainesville police for an on-campus confrontation between Florida players and locals where he painted an air-soft gun to look like an AR-15 assault rifle. According to reports, Toney and a teammate were caught “holding and pointing what appears to be an assault rifle at other individuals on campus.”

In July of 2018, police officers pulled Toney over for a seatbelt violation and during the stop discovered a loaded AR-15 in the backseat of his car. He was initially handcuffed for safety reasons — due to the presence of the weapon in the vehicle — but was eventually released once it was determined that Toney wasn’t violating Florida’s open-carry law.

Toney was eventually suspended for the Gators’ season opener that year.

- So, he didn't do anything wrong here. That said, he openly carries an AR15 for some reason which I personally find to be nothing but trouble. I am against civilians being able to own such powerful guns. My opinion.

They say hey fully vetted him and believe in his character but, they also said the same with Baker (Gettleman did, Judge was not here).

The Giants were well aware of all of that, which is why they spent so much time digging into Toney’s background and mining their resources for information. Judge pointed out that senior defensive assistant Jeremy Pruitt recruited Toney out of high school when he was an assistant at Alabama and had an established relationship with him already.

“We have numerous coaches that spent a long time recruiting, have had this guy in summer camps for multiple days at a time and had extended exposure to him,” Judge said.

“We spent time with him in person to get to know the person there and that continues,” Pettit said. “Listen, if there was a concern with him, he wouldn’t have been on our board.”

www.nj.com/giants/2021/04/in-kadarius-toney-giants-drafted-a-player-with-off-field-issues-at-florida-but-they-still-dont-think-hes-the-next-deandre-baker.html?outputType=amp

So, if you were against drafting Parsons because of his past, is this something that concerns you?

I didn't realize all these gun things were in his past. Nothing I see since 2018 when he was 19-20 year old, but, Florida is a school that buries a lot of incidents and wrong doings for their football players.

Hopefully it is all in the past.

Thanks been hearing this now I know what it is. In this state Florida that is, Guns are like air I'm with you I was in the military no need for assault long guns on the streets. 

[Fletch842]

He'll need to get used to not carrying, living in the metro NY area.

[repeatchamps]

Look it's concerning. Not going to deny that. However, NY and NJ gun laws are not as friendly as Florida so he'll either have to do without it or get the proper permits and perhaps start distancing himself from an AR 15 type weapon.

[TheAnalyst]

Apr 30, 2021 17:55:11 GMT -5 BigBlueDog42 said:

Apr 30, 2021 17:41:47 GMT -5 TheAnalyst said:

This is not a bash Toney thread. It is just something I am learning about right now. I was harsh on the Giants for drafting Baker after finding out they knew about his character concerns. I was harsh on learning about Parsons immaturity issues. Now I see this about Toney:

Some background on Toney’s off-field incidents at Florida:

In May of 2018, Toney was detained — not arrested — by Gainesville police for an on-campus confrontation between Florida players and locals where he painted an air-soft gun to look like an AR-15 assault rifle. According to reports, Toney and a teammate were caught “holding and pointing what appears to be an assault rifle at other individuals on campus.”

In July of 2018, police officers pulled Toney over for a seatbelt violation and during the stop discovered a loaded AR-15 in the backseat of his car. He was initially handcuffed for safety reasons — due to the presence of the weapon in the vehicle — but was eventually released once it was determined that Toney wasn’t violating Florida’s open-carry law.

Toney was eventually suspended for the Gators’ season opener that year.

- So, he didn't do anything wrong here. That said, he openly carries an AR15 for some reason which I personally find to be nothing but trouble. I am against civilians being able to own such powerful guns. My opinion.

They say hey fully vetted him and believe in his character but, they also said the same with Baker (Gettleman did, Judge was not here).

The Giants were well aware of all of that, which is why they spent so much time digging into Toney’s background and mining their resources for information. Judge pointed out that senior defensive assistant Jeremy Pruitt recruited Toney out of high school when he was an assistant at Alabama and had an established relationship with him already.

“We have numerous coaches that spent a long time recruiting, have had this guy in summer camps for multiple days at a time and had extended exposure to him,” Judge said.

“We spent time with him in person to get to know the person there and that continues,” Pettit said. “Listen, if there was a concern with him, he wouldn’t have been on our board.”

www.nj.com/giants/2021/04/in-kadarius-toney-giants-drafted-a-player-with-off-field-issues-at-florida-but-they-still-dont-think-hes-the-next-deandre-baker.html?outputType=amp

So, if you were against drafting Parsons because of his past, is this something that concerns you?

I didn't realize all these gun things were in his past. Nothing I see since 2018 when he was 19-20 year old, but, Florida is a school that buries a lot of incidents and wrong doings for their football players.

Hopefully it is all in the past.

Thanks been hearing this now I know what it is. In this state Florida that is, Guns are like air I'm with you I was in the military no need for assault long guns on the streets. 

AR15s are not like air. Not where I am anyway. I know they love their guns down here but I have been here for like 15 years and not once met someone walking around with an AR15 or AK47. It's something that normally attracts trouble.

This is news to me. I'm a bit shocked how serious the "off the field" stuff was.

[BigBlueDog42]

Apr 30, 2021 17:59:32 GMT -5 TheAnalyst said:

Apr 30, 2021 17:55:11 GMT -5 BigBlueDog42 said:

Thanks been hearing this now I know what it is. In this state Florida that is, Guns are like air I'm with you I was in the military no need for assault long guns on the streets. 

AR15s are not like air. Not where I am anyway. I know they love their guns down here but I have been here for like 15 years and not once met someone walking around with an AR15 or AK47. It's something that normally attracts trouble.

This is news to me. I'm a bit shocked how serious the "off the field" stuff was.

It is in my area, shit I'm in small town and a waiter at the one pizza joint got mad at the manager and walked in and opened fire with AK. When we first moved in here in vero beach a guy had a road rage incident where he opened up on the car next him killed the driver. Florida is nuts with guns.

[Kruunch]

The gun laws in Florida are a joke. You can get your concealed license in cereal box. Now saying that, there is no reason to be carrying an AR-15 in your car. Unless you’re going to war, that weapon has no business being in your car. Clearly, he’s a gun carrier. Which is fine, most athletes carry guns. But, he won’t be in Florida anymore. Here, in civilized part of the Country, they don’t allow those kind of guns on your person. Leave it at your home, or be prepared to pay the consequences.

[BigBlueDog42]

Apr 30, 2021 17:56:57 GMT -5 repeatchamps said:

Look it's concerning. Not going to deny that. However, NY and NJ gun laws are not as friendly as Florida so he'll either have to do without it or get the proper permits and perhaps start distancing himself from an AR 15 type weapon.

Think they should have him have a fire side chat with Plex. Florida is wide open for weapons.

[BigBlueDog42]

Hope fully Judge and the coaches actually talked to him about how serious it is in the north east and he has grown also.

[IrishMike]

Did anyone see Judges comments on this? He said this player was extremely vetted. They have college coaches that recruited him and worked with him. They have coaches on the staff that had this kid in various camps through the years since he was 14 years old. He said we know alot more about this kid than you see "in a tweet".

I trust that he is vetted.

[TheAnalyst]

Apr 30, 2021 18:09:00 GMT -5 Kruunch said:

The gun laws in Florida are a joke. You can get your concealed license in cereal box. Now saying that, there is no reason to be carrying an AR-15 in your car. Unless you’re going to war, that weapon has no business being in your car. Clearly, he’s a gun carrier. Which is fine, most athletes carry guns. But, he won’t be in Florida anymore. Here, in civilized part of the Country, they don’t allow those kind of guns on your person. Leave it at your home, or be prepared to pay the consequences.

Florida is more civilized than NY at this point and time, but that's another thread lol

[TheAnalyst]

Apr 30, 2021 18:24:38 GMT -5 IrishMike said:

Did anyone see Judges comments on this? He said this player was extremely vetted. They have college coaches that recruited him and worked with him. They have coaches on the staff that had this kid in various camps through the years since he was 14 years old. He said we know alot more about this kid than you see "in a tweet".

I trust that he is vetted.

I posted that with it for the purpose of showing how much the vetted him on it.

[te88]

Apr 30, 2021 18:13:16 GMT -5 BigBlueDog42 said:

Hope fully Judge and the coaches actually talked to him about how serious it is in the north east and he has grown also.

Judge was asked about the character concerns and stated very firmly that they are comfortable having him with the team

[moecoastie]

2018...I think it would be silly for me to worry about this.

[Blue Hulk]

[GameTime]

I am pretty critical( but totally cool with) of gun stuff but this is ok in Florida.

Hope he just doesnt do stupid shit going forward

[Roosevelt]

We all know Gettleman came here with the idea to change the team's culture and that Judge may be even more dialed in on the player's attitude than Dave.

These guys are football players and not choir boys.

[smitty]

Stop with the disinformation. AR-15 is a brand that is used as a boogeyman. It is no different than any other semi-automatic rifle, which every hand gun is also. The only thing that makes semi-automatics scary are the magazine capacities.

[Deleted]

Well, well, well…..

[Deleted]

Got no idea how a conversation on a football message board stemmed to this, but I will say this….a gun, auto or semi, is a tool. Not a toy. Have not owned one since I got out of the service. I personally don’t understand the mystique, but some guys just never grow out of it. I personally won’t touch one ever again. Some enjoy them. Bottom line is they have their purpose. An automatic weapon has absolutely NO purpose in everyday living. Only people who should touch those things are qualified individuals such as myself in an environment they are meant to be utilized in. Farmer Brown down the road should not own an AR-15 or an AK-47.

[Sarcasman]

Apr 30, 2021 18:09:00 GMT -5 Kruunch said:

The gun laws in Florida are a joke. You can get your concealed license in cereal box. Now saying that, there is no reason to be carrying an AR-15 in your car. Unless you’re going to war, that weapon has no business being in your car. Clearly, he’s a gun carrier. Which is fine, most athletes carry guns. But, he won’t be in Florida anymore. Here, in civilized part of the Country, they don’t allow those kind of guns on your person. Leave it at your home, or be prepared to pay the consequences.

He's also a recording artist, Yung Joka! (get it?)  Which I'm sure some hack will tweet about to show how he doesn't care enough about football. 

[christian]

Apr 30, 2021 21:41:46 GMT -5 Sarcasman said:

Apr 30, 2021 18:09:00 GMT -5 Kruunch said:

The gun laws in Florida are a joke. You can get your concealed license in cereal box. Now saying that, there is no reason to be carrying an AR-15 in your car. Unless you’re going to war, that weapon has no business being in your car. Clearly, he’s a gun carrier. Which is fine, most athletes carry guns. But, he won’t be in Florida anymore. Here, in civilized part of the Country, they don’t allow those kind of guns on your person. Leave it at your home, or be prepared to pay the consequences.

He's also a recording artist, Yung Joka! (get it?)  Which I'm sure some hack will tweet about to show how he doesn't care enough about football. 

Yes. but he's going to be living in the civilized part of the country now - so 

[Sarcasman]

Apr 30, 2021 21:45:27 GMT -5 christian said:

Apr 30, 2021 21:41:46 GMT -5 Sarcasman said:

He's also a recording artist, Yung Joka! (get it?)  Which I'm sure some hack will tweet about to show how he doesn't care enough about football. 

Yes. but he's going to be living in the civilized part of the country now - so 

Yeah, you guys can feel free to take that spat to PM.  

If you want to talk guns, take it off topic.  If you want to do so and personally attack one another take it PM.  No one wants to read it.

Or settle it like men:  arm wrestle at Hooters over it.   

[Kruunch]

Apr 30, 2021 21:52:22 GMT -5 Sarcasman said:

Apr 30, 2021 21:45:27 GMT -5 christian said:

Yes. but he's going to be living in the civilized part of the country now - so 

Yeah, you guys can feel free to take that spat to PM.  

If you want to talk guns, take it off topic.  If you want to do so and personally attack one another take it PM.  No one wants to read it.

Or settle it like men:  arm wrestle at Hooters over it.   

Arm wrestling is for pussies. Let’s do it right, Russian roulette. He plays by himself, while I watch. 

[christian]

Apr 30, 2021 22:03:16 GMT -5 Kruunch said:

Apr 30, 2021 21:52:22 GMT -5 Sarcasman said:

Yeah, you guys can feel free to take that spat to PM.  

If you want to talk guns, take it off topic.  If you want to do so and personally attack one another take it PM.  No one wants to read it.

Or settle it like men:  arm wrestle at Hooters over it.   

Arm wrestling is for pussies. Let’s do it right, Russian roulette. He plays by himself, while I watch. 

Russian roulette is for pussies too I prefer MMA and or boxing. 

[giants8493]

Ahmad Bradshaw I think did a month in jail for stealing a playstation if I remember. He was usefll still. I like Bradshaw. I hope I like toney as much at I liked Bradshaw as a rb. Hopefully even more because that means toney stays away from trouble and is awesome!

[Turbo]

Apr 30, 2021 21:09:41 GMT -5 @usmcvet said:

Got no idea how a conversation on a football message board stemmed to this, but I will say this….a gun, auto or semi, is a tool. Not a toy. Have not owned one since I got out of the service. I personally don’t understand the mystique, but some guys just never grow out of it. I personally won’t touch one ever again. Some enjoy them. Bottom line is they have their purpose. An automatic weapon has absolutely NO purpose in everyday living. Only people who should touch those things are qualified individuals such as myself in an environment they are meant to be utilized in. Farmer Brown down the road should not own an AR-15 or an AK-47.

All you have done is bash this pick, mainly due to your son watching college football and not liking it.  Don't use this as some justification on your part of why this is a bad pick when you knew NOTHING about him beforehand and just now see this.

And man, to go by USMCVET and call an AR-15 an automatic weapon makes me question if you were a REMF.  I was in the Corps as well...no Marine I have ever known would call a semi-automatic rifle an automatic weapon.  No one.  Ever.  We laugh at people that do.  If you were carrying an M16-A1 back in early 'Nam then maybe, but that isn't an AR-15 and you would know that.

[TEM]

Exercising your 2nd amendment rights is not a character issue. He committed no crime or violent act.

[Deleted]

May 1, 2021 2:42:48 GMT -5 Turbo said:

Apr 30, 2021 21:09:41 GMT -5 @usmcvet said:

Got no idea how a conversation on a football message board stemmed to this, but I will say this….a gun, auto or semi, is a tool. Not a toy. Have not owned one since I got out of the service. I personally don’t understand the mystique, but some guys just never grow out of it. I personally won’t touch one ever again. Some enjoy them. Bottom line is they have their purpose. An automatic weapon has absolutely NO purpose in everyday living. Only people who should touch those things are qualified individuals such as myself in an environment they are meant to be utilized in. Farmer Brown down the road should not own an AR-15 or an AK-47.

All you have done is bash this pick, mainly due to your son watching college football and not liking it.  Don't use this as some justification on your part of why this is a bad pick when you knew NOTHING about him beforehand and just now see this.

And man, to go by USMCVET and call an AR-15 an automatic weapon makes me question if you were a REMF.  I was in the Corps as well...no Marine I have ever known would call a semi-automatic rifle an automatic weapon.  No one.  Ever.  We laugh at people that do.  If you were carrying an M16-A1 back in early 'Nam then maybe, but that isn't an AR-15 and you would know that.

Why the hell would you not remember that the damn rifle is just a scaled down version of the M-16? It has a damn selector switch just ours! 3 position selector switch! Safe, Semi, Burst….don’t you remember? Everybody is too damn busy trying to discredit people. Somebody went UNQ at the rifle range here….wasn’t me, I’ll tell you that!

[TheAnalyst]

Apr 30, 2021 19:41:50 GMT -5 Blue Hulk said:

How awful is "hip hop" these days.... jesus.