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Post by IrishMike on May 10, 2021 12:47:05 GMT -5
I'm just wondering if anyone has heard of the book "Finding the Winning Edge" written by Bill Walsh right after he retired. My son was reading a football book and it referenced this book. I never heard of it so I did some digging. Apparently it's some what of a legend. Known as the football bible in coaching circles. Supposedly it's in every NFL head coaches book shelf. They didn't print many copy's so now they sell for $500-$800 each.
I'm searching for a PDF copy online, haven't found one yet.
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Post by IrishMike on May 10, 2021 13:09:01 GMT -5
I was able to download it from Scribd if anyone is interested. Seems interesting. This part about the Wunderlich test is insightful considering the debates we have had around here about this test.
"The issue is innate intelligence versus functional intelligence (i.e., there is take written test ''smarts," and there is onthefield "smarts"). Some successful players have both types of intelligence, while others tend to be more inclined toward functional intelligence.
Steve Young, the talented quarterback for the San Francisco 49ers, is an example of a player who possesses both innate and functional intelligence. Young is extremely bright, has a law degree, and is an exceptional performer on the field. On the other hand, there have been HallofFame quarterbacks who were great football players, intense competitors, and insightful decision makers on the field, yet would not have scored in the highest percentile on a written test like the
Wunderlich.
An example of an individual who did not have the highest score on this particular measure, yet exhibited extraordinary functional intelligence on the football field was Phil Simms. Anyone who has ever dealt with Simms, however, knows that his intelligence is extremely high.
Perhaps the most appropriate way to use the results of the Wunderlich test for evaluation purposes is to look for extremes. The fact that a prospective player received a single digit score on the test (i.e., way below the norm) would certainly have to be considered. For example, would that player have the capacity to handle the intricacies of a complex offensive (or defensive) scheme?"
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Post by Kruunch on May 10, 2021 13:30:56 GMT -5
Huge Bill Walsh fan. He was a pioneer with was the West cost offense. He took what the late great Paul Brown taught him, and brought that teaching to the 49ers. Where, he built a dynasty and changed the landscape of the NFL offense.
He was so ahead of his time, that teams today still implement his philosophy to the modern NFL.
Great book. All fans should take the time to read it. (If you can find it)
“An organization is not just a tool. It bespeaks values. It reflects the personality of a business. It is defined by its results on the field. In that regard, one of the most candid aspects of professional sports is that the bottom line is so identifiable—winning.”
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Post by ratbastich on May 10, 2021 13:41:11 GMT -5
I'm asking here but when did they start using that test? I would love to know how a player like Dexter Manley did? Apparently Paul Brown introduced into the NFL in the 60's, but no specific date listed. I know wikipedia isn't the best source, but... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wonderlic_testInteresting list of players who scored real low. Smartest guys on the team...Offensive Tackles and Centers which makes sense since the Center recognizes lineups. |
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Post by redbeardxxv on May 10, 2021 13:58:54 GMT -5
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Post by hadenough on May 10, 2021 14:59:02 GMT -5
I was able to download it from Scribd if anyone is interested. Seems interesting. This part about the Wunderlich test is insightful considering the debates we have had around here about this test. "The issue is innate intelligence versus functional intelligence (i.e., there is take written test ''smarts," and there is onthefield "smarts"). Some successful players have both types of intelligence, while others tend to be more inclined toward functional intelligence. Steve Young, the talented quarterback for the San Francisco 49ers, is an example of a player who possesses both innate and functional intelligence. Young is extremely bright, has a law degree, and is an exceptional performer on the field. On the other hand, there have been HallofFame quarterbacks who were great football players, intense competitors, and insightful decision makers on the field, yet would not have scored in the highest percentile on a written test like the Wunderlich. An example of an individual who did not have the highest score on this particular measure, yet exhibited extraordinary functional intelligence on the football field was Phil Simms. Anyone who has ever dealt with Simms, however, knows that his intelligence is extremely high. Perhaps the most appropriate way to use the results of the Wunderlich test for evaluation purposes is to look for extremes. The fact that a prospective player received a single digit score on the test (i.e., way below the norm) would certainly have to be considered. For example, would that player have the capacity to handle the intricacies of a complex offensive (or defensive) scheme?" I only listen to audiobooks now...no time to sit and read. At least time in the car is useful for something. Anyway, does Scribd have audiobooks? Is it free? I use two apps for the books...they are linked to our local library and free. So, it works, but they don't have every book. I've been trying to find another Bill Walsh book, The Score Takes Care of Itself. But they don't have that either. |
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Post by GameTime on May 10, 2021 15:21:24 GMT -5
I was able to download it from Scribd if anyone is interested. Seems interesting. This part about the Wunderlich test is insightful considering the debates we have had around here about this test. "The issue is innate intelligence versus functional intelligence (i.e., there is take written test ''smarts," and there is onthefield "smarts"). Some successful players have both types of intelligence, while others tend to be more inclined toward functional intelligence. Steve Young, the talented quarterback for the San Francisco 49ers, is an example of a player who possesses both innate and functional intelligence. Young is extremely bright, has a law degree, and is an exceptional performer on the field. On the other hand, there have been HallofFame quarterbacks who were great football players, intense competitors, and insightful decision makers on the field, yet would not have scored in the highest percentile on a written test like the Wunderlich. An example of an individual who did not have the highest score on this particular measure, yet exhibited extraordinary functional intelligence on the football field was Phil Simms. Anyone who has ever dealt with Simms, however, knows that his intelligence is extremely high. Perhaps the most appropriate way to use the results of the Wunderlich test for evaluation purposes is to look for extremes. The fact that a prospective player received a single digit score on the test (i.e., way below the norm) would certainly have to be considered. For example, would that player have the capacity to handle the intricacies of a complex offensive (or defensive) scheme?" I only listen to audiobooks now... no time to sit and read. At least time in the car is useful for something. Anyway, does Scribd have audiobooks? Is it free? I use two apps for the books...they are linked to our local library and free. So, it works, but they don't have every book. I've been trying to find another Bill Walsh book, The Score Takes Care of Itself. But they don't have that either. thats a shame |
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Post by IrishMike on May 11, 2021 11:02:57 GMT -5
I only listen to audiobooks now...no time to sit and read. At least time in the car is useful for something. Anyway, does Scribd have audiobooks? Is it free? I use two apps for the books...they are linked to our local library and free. So, it works, but they don't have every book. I've been trying to find another Bill Walsh book, The Score Takes Care of Itself. But they don't have that either. Scribd is free to join and I think you get 1 free download. After that you can download for free but it might ask you to upload something in order to download. So once you get your first book downloaded just use that for you next upload and get another free download and keep that cycle going.
I don't think they have audio books. I use an Air Force library for audio books, but I think that is military only.
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