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Post by cdngfan on Oct 12, 2021 9:16:50 GMT -5
504 total yards 442 yards passing, 4 TDs and a 86 comp% Two insane drives at the end of regulation with two 2-Pt conversions to tie it up. Then a GW drive in OT. That’s the highest comp% in the history of the NFL for a QB throwing for 400 or more yards. can we all just take a moment to appreciate the sport and that accomplishment. Absolutely. We’re seeing an evolution of the position before our very eyes. I don’t think pure pocket passing QBs will be around in 15 years. We’ve seen mobile QBs who struggle in the pocket. There’s a nee breed of mobile QB who is comfortable in the pocket AND can run and create more time to throw. Just amazing. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 12, 2021 9:25:39 GMT -5
Kudos has to go to Greg Roman who did something I didn't think he was capable of doing
Evolving and finally installing an NFL caliber passing attack and allowing Jackson to be more than a 1 read qb as he has had multiple reads and a more complex reciever route system to read..
That was insane last night..thought that game was over after Indy took that fumble and marched down the field like that
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Post by DJones19 on Oct 12, 2021 9:25:51 GMT -5
Great performance, not thrilled I traded Marquise Brown on my fantasy team.
He's gotten a lot better throwing even if his run sets up the pass.
After watching the combine..I'm surprised he's having so much success passing. He's developed nicely.
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Post by jaymas on Oct 12, 2021 9:26:41 GMT -5
Up there with the best performances I've ever seen from a QB. Guy is an absolute stud. Proved a lot of people wrong and then some.
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Post by Kruunch on Oct 12, 2021 9:27:22 GMT -5
He was an NFL MVP before his 23rd birthday. When he’s on his game, he’s virtually impossible to stop. He went to the perfect organization, the Ravens took him under there wing. And built their offense around him. Great teams adapt their scheme to the player, instead of the other way around.
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Post by straightrazorman on Oct 12, 2021 9:34:28 GMT -5
Notice how they used their TE. For some reason we don't do that. We spent a lot of money on that great Red Zone mismatch, Kyle Rudolph, and then don't use him for that. SMDH!
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Post by idkaname on Oct 12, 2021 9:58:15 GMT -5
Guy is one hit away from becoming RGIII. Running Qbs can’t beat good defenses. Sheesh, I thought you guys would know better. How many playoff wins does Lamar have ? how many SB rings does Newton, Vick, and Lamar have combined ? Its a gimmick and good teams/coaches don’t lose to gimmicks, especially when it counts
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 12, 2021 10:01:18 GMT -5
Guy is one hit away from becoming RGIII. Running Qbs can’t beat good defenses. Sheesh, I thought you guys would know better. How many playoff wins does Lamar have ? how many SB rings does Newton, Vick, and Lamar have combined ? Its a gimmick and good teams/coaches don’t lose to gimmicks, especially when it counts You mean Mahomes 2 years ago? Steve Young in 1994 in an era where you could actually hit qbs? Even Staubach in 71 when there were no rules ? Running qbs(mobile 1bs )are actually going to become the norm if not already |
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Oct 12, 2021 10:02:38 GMT -5
I've become a real fan of Jackson. His running is magical he is always the fastest guy on the field. And his herky jerky style reminds me of what Toney might be able to be. (keep fingers crossed)
Now that side arm short arm style of Jackson throwing just leave it he is comfortable and effective. The year Jackson won MVP he threw 36 TD passes (thats the Giant team record). Jackson could reach 4,000 yds this season especially 17 games. I never thought he would manage big yds in the Raven offense.
IMO he is the main challenger to Brady for MVP. Long way to go I know Herbert, Allen, and even King Henry. Jackson is also right there.
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 12, 2021 10:04:39 GMT -5
I've become a real fan of Jackson. His running is magical he is always the fastest guy on the field. And his herky jerky style reminds me of what toney might be able to be. (keep fingers crossed) Now that side arm short arm style of Jackson throwing just leave it he is comfortable and effective. The year Jackson won MVP he threw 36 TD passes (thats the Giant team record). Jackson could reach 4,000 yds this season especially 17 games. I never thought he would manage big yds in the Raven offense. IMO he is the main challenger to Brady for MVP. Long way to go I know Herbert, Allen, and even King Henry. Jackson is also right there. The offense finally evolved to allow for the pass to be featured if nessesary...which IMO should have happened last year He throws such a pretty deep ball..almost effortless ... |
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Post by idkaname on Oct 12, 2021 10:04:43 GMT -5
Guy is one hit away from becoming RGIII. Running Qbs can’t beat good defenses. Sheesh, I thought you guys would know better. How many playoff wins does Lamar have ? how many SB rings does Newton, Vick, and Lamar have combined ? Its a gimmick and good teams/coaches don’t lose to gimmicks, especially when it counts You mean Mahomes 2 years ago? Steve Young in 1994 in an era where you could actually hit qbs? Even Staubach in 71 when there were no rules ? Running qbs(mobile 1bs )are actually going to become the norm if not already there’s a difference between running and mobile. Running QBs will miss easy reads because they take off any chance they get - Lamar constantly does it and it’s the reason they were in a hole to begin with. If you really believe Mahomes, Young, Staubach, Wilson, even Josh Allen are the same style player as Lamar, you’re wrong bud. Being mobile is a great asset for a pass first QB that is mechanically sound |
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 12, 2021 10:07:45 GMT -5
You mean Mahomes 2 years ago? Steve Young in 1994 in an era where you could actually hit qbs? Even Staubach in 71 when there were no rules ? Running qbs(mobile 1bs )are actually going to become the norm if not already there’s a difference between running and mobile. Running QBs will miss easy reads because they take off any chance they get - Lamar constantly does it and it’s the reason they were in a hole to begin with. If you really believe Mahomes, Young, Staubach, Wilson, even Josh Allen are the same style player as Lamar, you’re wrong bud. Being mobile is a great asset for a pass first QB that is mechanically sound I actually lump all the modern ones together RPO is now a staple of most modern offenses that have a qb that can run Lamar is actually starting to evolve as the offense is,up until this year it was a one read and either dump it off or run He was back there scanning and reading the defense in the pocket going through his progressions more than I have ever seen him and he has been doing this all year |
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Post by idkaname on Oct 12, 2021 10:14:03 GMT -5
Guy is one hit away from becoming RGIII. Running Qbs can’t beat good defenses. Sheesh, I thought you guys would know better. He threw for 442 yards and 4 TDs. Here we go... how many rings does Dan Marino have? How many rings does Steve Young have? Lamar Jackson is just in his 4th year starting. And the bar you're setting is "how many playoff wins and SB rings does he have?" Yet you bust out every excuse as to why it's okay that Daniel Jones, in his third year starting, is 9-22 as a QB. Marino has 0 - is he a great QB? Sure. But to say he’s not part of the reason he has 0 SB wins is silly. Young has 3 - he was a passer and a scrambler, not a designed runner Jackson has been a complete choke artist in the playoffs because he can’t run and beat teams with his arm when forced to. Not sure I get your point here ? Why was Jones brought into this ? I don’t think Jones is better than avg until he proves it. This team certainly wouldn’t have more wins than losses over Jones time here, had Lamar been the QB. So again. What’s your point ? |
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Post by TheAnalyst on Oct 12, 2021 12:04:25 GMT -5
504 total yards 442 yards passing, 4 TDs and a 86 comp% Two insane drives at the end of regulation with two 2-Pt conversions to tie it up. Then a GW drive in OT. That’s the highest comp% in the history of the NFL for a QB throwing for 400 or more yards. can we all just take a moment to appreciate the sport and that accomplishment. Absolutely. We’re seeing an evolution of the position before our very eyes. I don’t think pure pocket passing QBs will be around in 15 years. We’ve seen mobile QBs who struggle in the pocket. There’s a nee breed of mobile QB who is comfortable in the pocket AND can run and create more time to throw. Just amazing. I believe a lot of that is due to the OLines regression from the college game to the NFL. The college game started this trend well before the NFL. Super highly mobile QBs who you dont necessarily need an OL for with some exceptions. These new breed of QBs were thriving in the NCAA for years, with only one or 2 in the NFL due to coaching styles. The new age of younger coaching and newer ideas, along with the regression of OLs is really propelling it to a new height. Although I still would love to watch a Tom Brady or Peyton Manning sit in the pocket and master a defense mentally, the new dual threats emerging are energizing and exciting when they hit. Still going to be a lot of duds drafted though because its a gamble, but as we even see with DJ, his running makes it so much more fun to watch than the statue Eli QBs. Although, winning is always much more fun to watch no matter who is the QB. Murray is another one. Blazing speed. Arm strength. Ect. Im trying to think, I guess it was Russell Wilson who really started this eras dual threat QB run. I know you have guys in the past who ran, but nothing like we see today. And Randle El was more of a receiver. I know we all liked seeing Odell throw the ball downfield, and now Toney is in that same mold, but obviously those 2 would at most only get 1 or 2 passes a game. Could you imagine if Toney could master the playbook and be a QB? With his moves? Would he ever get sacked if he developed an awareness in the pocket? That would be exciting. |
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Post by Dogecoin on Oct 12, 2021 12:45:51 GMT -5
Takeaway last night was about a truly special QB in Lamar vs a fake one in Wentz.
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Post by DJones19 on Oct 12, 2021 14:33:08 GMT -5
I think we've entered a new era in the NFL where running QBs excel. Game has changed a lot.
I think Vick would flourish in some of these new systems more than what he did 10-15 years ago when he was a borderline MVP.
Wouldn't be surprised if Jackson has the highest win % out of any starting QB now..and that draft pick turned the entire franchise around.
... Jackson replaced a Super Bowl MVP who couldn't win regularly.
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Post by cdngfan on Oct 12, 2021 14:35:59 GMT -5
Absolutely. We’re seeing an evolution of the position before our very eyes. I don’t think pure pocket passing QBs will be around in 15 years. We’ve seen mobile QBs who struggle in the pocket. There’s a nee breed of mobile QB who is comfortable in the pocket AND can run and create more time to throw. Just amazing. I believe a lot of that is due to the OLines regression from the college game to the NFL. The college game started this trend well before the NFL. Super highly mobile QBs who you dont necessarily need an OL for with some exceptions. These new breed of QBs were thriving in the NCAA for years, with only one or 2 in the NFL due to coaching styles. The new age of younger coaching and newer ideas, along with the regression of OLs is really propelling it to a new height. Although I still would love to watch a Tom Brady or Peyton Manning sit in the pocket and master a defense mentally, the new dual threats emerging are energizing and exciting when they hit. Still going to be a lot of duds drafted though because its a gamble, but as we even see with DJ, his running makes it so much more fun to watch than the statue Eli QBs. Although, winning is always much more fun to watch no matter who is the QB. Murray is another one. Blazing speed. Arm strength. Ect. Im trying to think, I guess it was Russell Wilson who really started this eras dual threat QB run. I know you have guys in the past who ran, but nothing like we see today. And Randle El was more of a receiver. I know we all liked seeing Odell throw the ball downfield, and now Toney is in that same mold, but obviously those 2 would at most only get 1 or 2 passes a game. Could you imagine if Toney could master the playbook and be a QB? With his moves? Would he ever get sacked if he developed an awareness in the pocket? That would be exciting. Great post. I love watching pocket passers. Absolutely. You’re right about Wilson, probably the first QB where “keep him in the pocket” wasn’t a great gameplan. Whole bunch of others where you wanted to force them to throw. Now? Forcing Allen or Murray to stay in the pocket helps, but it’s just death by a different source. The mobile QBs of yesteryear just couldn’t function from the pocket. |
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Post by cdngfan on Oct 12, 2021 14:36:15 GMT -5
Absolutely. We’re seeing an evolution of the position before our very eyes. I don’t think pure pocket passing QBs will be around in 15 years. We’ve seen mobile QBs who struggle in the pocket. There’s a nee breed of mobile QB who is comfortable in the pocket AND can run and create more time to throw. Just amazing. I believe a lot of that is due to the OLines regression from the college game to the NFL. The college game started this trend well before the NFL. Super highly mobile QBs who you dont necessarily need an OL for with some exceptions. These new breed of QBs were thriving in the NCAA for years, with only one or 2 in the NFL due to coaching styles. The new age of younger coaching and newer ideas, along with the regression of OLs is really propelling it to a new height. Although I still would love to watch a Tom Brady or Peyton Manning sit in the pocket and master a defense mentally, the new dual threats emerging are energizing and exciting when they hit. Still going to be a lot of duds drafted though because its a gamble, but as we even see with DJ, his running makes it so much more fun to watch than the statue Eli QBs. Although, winning is always much more fun to watch no matter who is the QB. Murray is another one. Blazing speed. Arm strength. Ect. Im trying to think, I guess it was Russell Wilson who really started this eras dual threat QB run. I know you have guys in the past who ran, but nothing like we see today. And Randle El was more of a receiver. I know we all liked seeing Odell throw the ball downfield, and now Toney is in that same mold, but obviously those 2 would at most only get 1 or 2 passes a game. Could you imagine if Toney could master the playbook and be a QB? With his moves? Would he ever get sacked if he developed an awareness in the pocket? That would be exciting. Great post. I love watching pocket passers. Absolutely. You’re right about Wilson, probably the first QB where “keep him in the pocket” wasn’t a great gameplan. Whole bunch of others where you wanted to force them to throw. Now? Forcing Allen or Murray to stay in the pocket helps, but it’s just death by a different source. The mobile QBs of yesteryear just couldn’t function from the pocket. |
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Post by Dogecoin on Oct 12, 2021 17:36:22 GMT -5
It shouldnt be overlooked just how wise Lamar was for not running the 40. If the media and scouts knew just how fast he really is he never would have gotten rid of the lable that he "should have been a running back or kick returner"
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 13, 2021 7:46:37 GMT -5
This proves that qb rating KS also common core
Jackson got a qbr of 144....
How does he not get a perfect score
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