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Post by finngiant on Oct 18, 2021 3:00:41 GMT -5
I think we have to start again but each time we do we end up worse.
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Tom Coughlin: won 2 superbowls, was fired after bad seasons but we were competitive and games were close. In my opinion he should not be fired because he was a good coach and had a great relationship with Eli.
Give him the defence Reese bought for mcadoo and we win more.
Mcadoo:
Got us into playoffs but made Eli worse by going to dink and dunk offence. Also was never in control of the team and took it out on Eli. Weak resume before getting HC job.
Shumur:
Never got going and even his strength which was offence never really materialaized while we had talent on offence. In the same category with Mcadoo but did not make playoffs and made bad decisions. Had prior HC experience but a bad record. Still the strongest resume after TC.
Joe Judge:
Our biggest mistake just a talker who cant help with offence or defence. No HC experience just an assistant to Bill who really ran the team by himself. If we do not hire Judge then no one would have. Terrible hire and guy is absolutely lost during games. We are more mistake phone than before, lines are not good, in game use of timeouts and challenges is bad. He is just awful and will not get better.
GM:
Reese got us two superbowl wins. Yes the team was built by Accorsi but Reese was with the Giants at the time and took what accorsi built and made it better. He was drafting lower as we were competitive and won the sb for 2 times! Worst mistake was not finding right talent to protect Eli as he got older and needed it the most. Even when we had injuries he had guys like chase blackburn come in who helped us win.
Dave Gettleman:
I do not hate the guy but his results have been awful. He has found good talent but also payed way too much for free agents that failed here.
If you look from a distance we have a team who has LT, QB, 1st round RB and our best WR (toney) on ruokien deals. Yet we have cap problems but lack good skill players and have no good depth. How to you have so many rookies, spend all that money and end up with a team this bad.
My far is that each new hire has been to the worse. If we start over as we need to who do we get that can fix this mess. As we get worse no good GM or coach wants to join us.
When TC came here we were and organization that good coaches wanted to join.
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Post by FundamentallySoundJones on Oct 18, 2021 3:18:15 GMT -5
We could have won again with shurmur actually. Mara hiring DG because he told him what he and u fans wanted to hear.
Look no further.
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Post by Roswell on Oct 18, 2021 3:36:40 GMT -5
At this point the NY Giants are the perfect storm of inept ownership with an outdated GM coupled with a coach who lacks judgement coaching a roster full of overpaid, injured and underachieving players.
And there’s no end in sight.
Currently, there’s virtually nothing right about this team. And I’m an optimist.
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Post by nick030567 on Oct 18, 2021 8:10:51 GMT -5
Honestly I see Judge getting another year. And I think he should. Unless Bill Parcells 2.0 is available. Gettleman might "retire". Graham will possibly be back. But I just don't trust him anymore. It's like he's possessed by the spirit of Perry Fewell all of a sudden. The alignments and everything are different from last season.
Garrett needs to go though. I think he will. As long as Mara doesn't stop it from happening.
Just the fact that he abandoned the run last season when it was the only thing that offense had going. Teams were having trouble stopping them. Think they were averaging like 5 YPC. He would just keep running his vanilla route concepts. And his situational play calling is abominable. As bad as any I've ever seen.
I think this team has talent, but they have a ton of injuries too.
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Post by DJones19 on Oct 18, 2021 8:29:38 GMT -5
I think McAdoo had the right idea and revived Eli's career, Shurmur was given a bad deal.
Mara and Gettleman's win while rebuilding plan was ridiculous which including keeping Eli and drafting Barkley...and now we are back in cap-hell but can't win a game.
Belichick wouldn't be able to turn this team around...look at him now in New England with Brady.
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Post by Rangers13 on Oct 18, 2021 8:30:05 GMT -5
Honestly I see Judge getting another year. anybody want to chime in as to what the coach should do? All this certainty about the coach yet no solution as to what he should be doing. The same coach so many loved previously. |
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Post by Rangers13 on Oct 18, 2021 8:36:32 GMT -5
I think McAdoo had the right idea and revived Eli's career, Shurmur was given a bad deal. I think Mara's and Gettleman's win while rebuilding plan was ridiculous which including keeping Eli and drafting Barkley...and now we are back in cap-hell but can't win a game. Belichick wouldn't be able to turn this team around...look at him now in New England with Brady. they should have gone Darnold, Allen (i was no Jackson fan and wrong) or traded back and moved out OBJ who was a headcase imo. Sentimental towards Eli set the team back and the Barkley move really killed them. |
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Post by TheAnalyst on Oct 18, 2021 8:38:46 GMT -5
Im starting to wonder if Judge will be the final straw for NFL teams trying to steal the next Belichick from under his umbrella. So far, none have worked out. Most end in disasters.
As for the GM, we lost as soon as he was touched by the hand of God.
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 18, 2021 8:41:44 GMT -5
Im starting to wonder if Judge will be the final straw for NFL teams trying to steal the next Belichick from under his umbrella. So far, none have worked out. Most end in disasters. As for the GM, we lost as soon as he was touched by the hand of God. Flores isn't doing much better this year either in Miami |
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Post by DJones19 on Oct 18, 2021 8:48:33 GMT -5
Im starting to wonder if Judge will be the final straw for NFL teams trying to steal the next Belichick from under his umbrella. So far, none have worked out. Most end in disasters. As for the GM, we lost as soon as he was touched by the hand of God. Flores isn't doing much better this year either in Miami I heard Flores wanted to draft Herbert but was overruled. I remember a lot of pundits like Booger McFarland, Youtubers, etc. were saying Tua is astronomically better. |
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Post by TheAnalyst on Oct 18, 2021 8:57:06 GMT -5
Im starting to wonder if Judge will be the final straw for NFL teams trying to steal the next Belichick from under his umbrella. So far, none have worked out. Most end in disasters. As for the GM, we lost as soon as he was touched by the hand of God. Flores isn't doing much better this year either in Miami Think about it. Flores and Judge the current ones are struggling. Before that Patricia and Bill OBrian failed. Josh McDaniels, Eric Mangini, Nick Saban (NFL), Romeo Crennel, Jim Schwartz, Charlie Weis... Vrabal and Kingsbury are successful, but both were only PLAYERS for Belichick and not coaches. Speaking of Kingsbury, man we missed out on that boat. The Cardinals were in a rebuild around the same time we were. Look at that team now. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 18, 2021 9:04:01 GMT -5
At this point the NY Giants are the perfect storm of inept ownership with an outdated GM coupled with a coach who lacks judgement coaching a roster full of overpaid, injured and underachieving players. And there’s no end in sight. Currently, there’s virtually nothing right about this team. And I’m an optimist. What most fans don't get those 2 Super Bowl teams were built 3 to 4 years before they won them, JR had a fantastic first draft got them over the top the second Super Bowl Gettlemen s department Pro personnel pulled several vets together along with the Nucleus of the 07 team. What I'm getting at is the decay of this roster started right between both super bowls look back at the drafts from 2009 on you could pick out a good player here or there JPP Nicks Phillips and so on, but not one solid draft through and through 12 years and counting 2 GMs 4 coaches. This franchise needs fresh blood just like when they hired young and when the game changed young brought Accorsi we are at that point again, Jerry Reese understood where the game was going he just went to far drafting track stars not football players he needed to draft good football players that are great athletes. |
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Post by nick030567 on Oct 18, 2021 9:04:25 GMT -5
I think McAdoo had the right idea and revived Eli's career, Shurmur was given a bad deal. I think Mara's and Gettleman's win while rebuilding plan was ridiculous which including keeping Eli and drafting Barkley...and now we are back in cap-hell but can't win a game. Belichick wouldn't be able to turn this team around...look at him now in New England with Brady. they should have gone Darnold, Allen (i was no Jackson fan and wrong) or traded back and moved out OBJ who was a headcase imo. Sentimental towards Eli set the team back and the Barkley move really killed them. Ehh, what they should've been doing is competing in the playoffs with Eli. The facts that numerous other franchise QBs from his era still are AND that the giants are still losers 2 years after his retirement, show that QB was not even close to being the problem with the giants. And I think Jones has been stellar given the circumstances this season. The biggest problem with Eli was his big contact and his age. But his arm was fine; the system and offense line he was playing behind were atrocious...and he was lead footed. Recipe for disaster. Brady has never played behind a bad OL his entire career. Nor did Peyton. Brees and Favre did a few times and they too have high interception totals some years. And to be honest they all had more flexible, low risk systems that Gilbride's. Just look at Warren Moon as an example. The giants problems are far beyond QB. They haven't found a good, balanced coaching staff and for years the drafting was downright terrible. Even Coughlin was kinda bad about choosing coordinators. Gilbride and Fewell were some.of the most stubborn mules out there Plus the Giants have some weird injury curse where their best players get terrible injuries before their rookie deals are up. I truly believe they have some kind of self inflicted curse |
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 18, 2021 9:12:54 GMT -5
Flores isn't doing much better this year either in Miami Think about it. Flores and Judge the current ones are struggling. Before that Patricia and Bill OBrian failed. Josh McDaniels, Eric Mangini, Nick Saban (NFL), Romeo Crennel, Jim Schwartz, Charlie Weis... Vrabal and Kingsbury are successful, but both were only PLAYERS for Belichick and not coaches. Speaking of Kingsbury, man we missed out on that boat. The Cardinals were in a rebuild around the same time we were. Look at that team now. They got the only qb I wanted more than Jones though (This is a case where a New coach brings his guy he wants in and it's an upgrade because it's a perfect system fit....with us the only scenario I see where we move on from Jones is a similar situation where we hire aliens to abduct Fredo and inserts an anal probe into John to direct John to step aside,we bring in the combo of Kiffen and Corral.....but I digress),and they don't have an old fogie tradition and way that goes back to the 70sm..(and actually got lucky as they also have been rebuilding for almost 100 years so law of averages) There is no way under this current Ownership royal family that we would make a foward thinking move like that |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 18, 2021 9:14:04 GMT -5
Flores isn't doing much better this year either in Miami Think about it. Flores and Judge the current ones are struggling. Before that Patricia and Bill OBrian failed. Josh McDaniels, Eric Mangini, Nick Saban (NFL), Romeo Crennel, Jim Schwartz, Charlie Weis... Vrabal and Kingsbury are successful, but both were only PLAYERS for Belichick and not coaches. Speaking of Kingsbury, man we missed out on that boat. The Cardinals were in a rebuild around the same time we were. Look at that team now. Carinals were being torched for the QB fiasco, which was smart on their part they saw a better player and had a shot at a second bite of the apple and were bold enough to take it. They were also Torched for the Kingsbury hiring he wasn't a winning coach in college they deserve a ton of credit they saw something a lot of people didn't't and had the guts to pull th trigger in both cases, Giants need to get some real football people in here to go over their whole process top to bottom and listen when their told Fredo gotta go and make the changes that need to happen, because it will happen if they get some outside help. |
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Post by jaymas on Oct 18, 2021 9:18:37 GMT -5
The 2011 super bowl team was not built by accorsi. I don't know how that continues to get thrown out there.
Jerry Reese got terrible...but there's no objective view that doesn't have him as infinitely a better GM than Dave Gettleman.
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Post by jaymas on Oct 18, 2021 9:19:21 GMT -5
The most successful coach of the Bill B tree is actually Bill O'Brian.
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 18, 2021 10:16:38 GMT -5
The most successful coach of the Bill B tree is actually Bill O'Brian. Until he went psycho and destroyed the Texans in one offseason |
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