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Post by cdngfan on Oct 18, 2021 12:09:15 GMT -5
The GM that would come here is the one that didn’t think there was much of a chance getting the role anywhere else.
But based on what I’ve read, there’s a sense that the giants are run like a franchise from the 80s compared to the use of analytics in all aspects of the organization now.
Moneyball provides a good looking glass to what we’re facing. .
I don’t believe Mara is looking over everyone’s shoulder and getting involved like Snyder and Jones have, I think the Maras’ fault is finding themselves in a situation where reporters question whether the Giants have a modern organization and Gettleman says they hired “four computer folks”. That doesn’t sound like an organization that knows how to modernize.
So back to the original question, why would you base your reputation on “fixing” this franchise unless this is the only franchise that would realistically give you a shot?
And that’s why none of us should be shocked at the choice for GM, which will be some hard nosed sounding old timer with some connection to the Giants who talks the talks, but will be entering a car race riding a horse.
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Post by hadenough on Oct 18, 2021 12:09:29 GMT -5
Gettleman fired existing employees and hired his own after he came here. The basis of the post is just false. There are 32 NFL GM positions in the world, Any potential candidate would jump at the opportunity. Here's a list of the Giants top guys in the scouting department: 1. Kevin Abrams...been with Giants 20 years. 2. Chris Mara...enough said 3. Tim McDonnell...he's a Mara...enough said 4. Mark Koncz...here's your boy he brought in. 5. Chris Pettit...been with Giants 15 years. So, are you saying Gettleman changed things? Or is your post false?
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 18, 2021 12:11:26 GMT -5
Easy money? Job security for a few years at least. No pressure to win. Be Pat Hanlons Boss. Shower with the team , free gym , free lunches, good health care plan . Have dinners with Tishe and Tom cruise... Sign me up You're a friggin hoot. I mean He is not wrong Guaranteed to have a 7 figure job with complete job security for at least 4 years. Just follow the Giants way script and have a thick skin,live frivolously as possible,save and invest..when you are let go you are set for life and get a show on Sirous XM NFL radio as a co host for a part time gig ...
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Post by hadenough on Oct 18, 2021 12:14:42 GMT -5
I mean He is not wrong Guaranteed to have a 7 figure job with complete job security for at least 4 years. Just follow the Giants way script and have a thick skin,live frivolously as possible,save and invest..when you are let go you are set for life and get a show on Sirous XM NFL radio as a co host for a part time gig ... He actually is right....you want to be an MLB manager....that's all you have to do. Follow along with the program. Do what they say and get fired in a few years while making millions. Not a bad gig.
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 18, 2021 12:15:51 GMT -5
I mean He is not wrong Guaranteed to have a 7 figure job with complete job security for at least 4 years. Just follow the Giants way script and have a thick skin,live frivolously as possible,save and invest..when you are let go you are set for life and get a show on Sirous XM NFL radio as a co host for a part time gig ... He actually is right....you want to be an MLB manager....that's all you have to do. Follow along with the program. Do what they say and get fired in a few years while making millions. Not a bad gig. And like I said it gives you NFL credentials to be able to talk about NFL football for a while and get paid for it
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Post by jaymas on Oct 18, 2021 12:28:24 GMT -5
Guys (well some of you). The Giants use analytics. Every team uses analytics. The Giants were tapping into this before a lot of other teams. They were asking outside providers for custom data sets as far back as 2009, including PFF (not talking about their grading system for anyone who is gonna try and go there). It's laughable to pretend like they are the one team in the NFL that doesn't utilize analytics.
I don't like DG, but his computer guys quote wasn't even related to analytics, it was literally related to the IT function of the Giants. The anti analytics narrative is always from people who know nothing about analytics. The general sports media being my favorite. They prove their ignorance when 99% of their questions are about going for it on 4th down and analytics. Elementary stuff.
How much analytics has inflitrated roster building as opposed to game planning and game day, I have no idea. I'd imagine it has, because its' 2021.
That's not the problem with the Giants.
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Post by Sarcasman on Oct 18, 2021 16:23:25 GMT -5
Guys (well some of you). The Giants use analytics. Every team uses analytics. The Giants were tapping into this before a lot of other teams. They were asking outside providers for custom data sets as far back as 2009, including PFF (not talking about their grading system for anyone who is gonna try and go there). It's laughable to pretend like they are the one team in the NFL that doesn't utilize analytics. I don't like DG, but his computer guys quote wasn't even related to analytics, it was literally related to the IT function of the Giants. The anti analytics narrative is always from people who know nothing about analytics. The general sports media being my favorite. They prove their ignorance when 99% of their questions are about going for it on 4th down and analytics. Elementary stuff. How much analytics has inflitrated roster building as opposed to game planning and game day, I have no idea. I'd imagine it has, because its' 2021. That's not the problem with the Giants. Way to ruin the circle jerk, buzzkill.
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Post by myronguyton on Oct 18, 2021 16:35:04 GMT -5
Patiently waiting for the homers to chime in on how prestigious it is to work for such a storied franchise as the NY Giants and how there will be a line of great potential GM’s just begging for the job. You dont need to be a homer to acknowledge this. It's true. If Mara takes his head out of his ass and is willing to relinquish control of all football related decisions to a qualified GM, it will absolutely be a desirable position. Yes the Giants have been a joke for the past decade, but they're still a franchise with a proud history in the biggest media market in the league. If a GM could win anywhere, they'd want to do it here. The challenge of digging this team out of the hole they're in would make any success all the more satisfying for someone in that position.
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Post by TEM on Oct 18, 2021 16:39:30 GMT -5
He won't, Cancel Christmas.
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Post by TEM on Oct 18, 2021 16:47:21 GMT -5
Guys (well some of you). The Giants use analytics. Every team uses analytics. The Giants were tapping into this before a lot of other teams. They were asking outside providers for custom data sets as far back as 2009, including PFF (not talking about their grading system for anyone who is gonna try and go there). It's laughable to pretend like they are the one team in the NFL that doesn't utilize analytics. I don't like DG, but his computer guys quote wasn't even related to analytics, it was literally related to the IT function of the Giants. The anti analytics narrative is always from people who know nothing about analytics. The general sports media being my favorite. They prove their ignorance when 99% of their questions are about going for it on 4th down and analytics. Elementary stuff. How much analytics has inflitrated roster building as opposed to game planning and game day, I have no idea. I'd imagine it has, because its' 2021. That's not the problem with the Giants. Now the general who wins a battle makes many calculations in his temple ere the battle is fought. The general who loses a battle makes but few calculations beforehand. Thus do many calculations lead to victory, and few calculations to defeat: how much more no calculation at all! It is by attention to this point that I can foresee who is likely to win or lose. Sun Tuz. The Art of War.
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Post by vinnie on Oct 18, 2021 16:57:44 GMT -5
Patiently waiting for the homers to chime in on how prestigious it is to work for such a storied franchise as the NY Giants and how there will be a line of great potential GM’s just begging for the job. You dont need to be a homer to acknowledge this. It's true. If Mara takes his head out of his ass and is willing to relinquish control of all football related decisions to a qualified GM, it will absolutely be a desirable position. Yes the Giants have been a joke for the past decade, but they're still a franchise with a proud history in the biggest media market in the league. If a GM could win anywhere, they'd want to do it here. The challenge of digging this team out of the hole they're in would make any success all the more satisfying for someone in that position. But Mara is involved so what I said isn’t wrong and is the main reason I said it. “If my aunt had balls she would be my uncle.” Let me know when Mara relinquishes control.
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Post by Delicreep on Oct 18, 2021 17:14:33 GMT -5
I think that most candidates would hold out for one of the dozens of other GM jobs that will be available.
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Post by imgrate on Oct 18, 2021 17:17:52 GMT -5
I think that most candidates would hold out for one of the dozens of other GM jobs that will be available. GM positions on good teams don't open up often.
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Post by imgrate on Oct 18, 2021 17:19:05 GMT -5
Guys (well some of you). The Giants use analytics. Every team uses analytics. The Giants were tapping into this before a lot of other teams. They were asking outside providers for custom data sets as far back as 2009, including PFF (not talking about their grading system for anyone who is gonna try and go there). It's laughable to pretend like they are the one team in the NFL that doesn't utilize analytics. I don't like DG, but his computer guys quote wasn't even related to analytics, it was literally related to the IT function of the Giants. The anti analytics narrative is always from people who know nothing about analytics. The general sports media being my favorite. They prove their ignorance when 99% of their questions are about going for it on 4th down and analytics. Elementary stuff. How much analytics has inflitrated roster building as opposed to game planning and game day, I have no idea. I'd imagine it has, because its' 2021. That's not the problem with the Giants. Roster building? They need some better algorithms or to ditch the one that gave them the idea of drafting a RB at #2
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 18, 2021 17:21:21 GMT -5
I think that most candidates would hold out for one of the dozens of other GM jobs that will be available. GM positions on good teams don't open up often. And the ones that do are usually because the incumbent retires and they have an heir apparent in place .
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Post by Delicreep on Oct 18, 2021 17:27:09 GMT -5
I think that most candidates would hold out for one of the dozens of other GM jobs that will be available. GM positions on good teams don't open up often. Or bad teams...its a rare opportunity.
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Post by imgrate on Oct 18, 2021 17:41:23 GMT -5
GM positions on good teams don't open up often. Or bad teams...its a rare opportunity. I'm saying that yea, sure, our GM job isn't ideal, but its not like the other ones are any good. Its usually the Cleveland, Miami, other NY, Jacksonville, or Detroit job that is up for grabs.
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Post by jaymas on Oct 18, 2021 18:44:17 GMT -5
Guys (well some of you). The Giants use analytics. Every team uses analytics. The Giants were tapping into this before a lot of other teams. They were asking outside providers for custom data sets as far back as 2009, including PFF (not talking about their grading system for anyone who is gonna try and go there). It's laughable to pretend like they are the one team in the NFL that doesn't utilize analytics. I don't like DG, but his computer guys quote wasn't even related to analytics, it was literally related to the IT function of the Giants. The anti analytics narrative is always from people who know nothing about analytics. The general sports media being my favorite. They prove their ignorance when 99% of their questions are about going for it on 4th down and analytics. Elementary stuff. How much analytics has inflitrated roster building as opposed to game planning and game day, I have no idea. I'd imagine it has, because its' 2021. That's not the problem with the Giants. Way to ruin the circle jerk, buzzkill. That was a laugh out loud moment for me.
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Post by myronguyton on Oct 18, 2021 22:30:30 GMT -5
You dont need to be a homer to acknowledge this. It's true. If Mara takes his head out of his ass and is willing to relinquish control of all football related decisions to a qualified GM, it will absolutely be a desirable position. Yes the Giants have been a joke for the past decade, but they're still a franchise with a proud history in the biggest media market in the league. If a GM could win anywhere, they'd want to do it here. The challenge of digging this team out of the hole they're in would make any success all the more satisfying for someone in that position. But Mara is involved so what I said isn’t wrong and is the main reason I said it. “If my aunt had balls she would be my uncle.” Let me know when Mara relinquishes control. We've all been beating this drum about Mara needing to give up control for a couple of years now. I dont think it'd be that crazy to think he might actually be willing to do it when selecting the next gm. Particularly if it's a stipulation for a good candidate. We're all frustrated with ownership, but Mara isn't Jerry Jones, and people are capable of change, particularly when they are down. I think most of us remember Coughlin loosening up a bit in 2007 only to go on and win the Super Bowl. I believe Mara wants nothing more than for the Giants to start winning again, and I'm hoping he will eventually do what's necessary to right the ship. I'm sure he is very aware of what people are saying about him and his team.
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 18, 2021 22:46:41 GMT -5
But Mara is involved so what I said isn’t wrong and is the main reason I said it. “If my aunt had balls she would be my uncle.” Let me know when Mara relinquishes control. We've all been beating this drum about Mara needing to give up control for a couple of years now. I dont think it'd be that crazy to think he might actually be willing to do it when selecting the next gm. Particularly if it's a stipulation for a good candidate. We're all frustrated with ownership, but Mara isn't Jerry Jones, and people are capable of change, particularly when they are down. I think most of us remember Coughlin loosening up a bit in 2007 only to go on and win the Super Bowl. I believe Mara wants nothing more than for the Giants to start winning again, and I'm hoping he will eventually do what's necessary to right the ship. I'm sure he is very aware of what people are saying about him and his team. Problem is he has Fredo in a very important position witb player personnel as he does a nephew... It's not that simple ...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2021 22:50:18 GMT -5
They would come here because there are only 32 jobs like it on the planet.
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Post by Sarcasman on Oct 18, 2021 23:23:37 GMT -5
I think that most candidates would hold out for one of the dozens of other GM jobs that will be available. Crap.
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Post by Sarcasman on Oct 18, 2021 23:25:27 GMT -5
Way to ruin the circle jerk, buzzkill. That was a laugh out loud moment for me. My work here is done.
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Post by Sarcasman on Oct 18, 2021 23:32:55 GMT -5
But Mara is involved so what I said isn’t wrong and is the main reason I said it. “If my aunt had balls she would be my uncle.” Let me know when Mara relinquishes control. We've all been beating this drum about Mara needing to give up control for a couple of years now. I dont think it'd be that crazy to think he might actually be willing to do it when selecting the next gm. Particularly if it's a stipulation for a good candidate. We're all frustrated with ownership, but Mara isn't Jerry Jones, and people are capable of change, particularly when they are down. I think most of us remember Coughlin loosening up a bit in 2007 only to go on and win the Super Bowl. I believe Mara wants nothing more than for the Giants to start winning again, and I'm hoping he will eventually do what's necessary to right the ship. I'm sure he is very aware of what people are saying about him and his team. What about this? And it's not because I want it but because I think it's the only way out. Mara doesn't relinquish control but does hire an outsider and let's him do his job. If that means moving Maras around because let's face it they're not coming off the payroll or getting NFL jobs anywhere else, so be it. And let's say he's really good at his job. That alone would quickly change the fortunes of this team. Going by record, we haven't had that for almost a decade.
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Post by vinnie on Oct 19, 2021 9:58:29 GMT -5
But Mara is involved so what I said isn’t wrong and is the main reason I said it. “If my aunt had balls she would be my uncle.” Let me know when Mara relinquishes control. We've all been beating this drum about Mara needing to give up control for a couple of years now. I dont think it'd be that crazy to think he might actually be willing to do it when selecting the next gm. Particularly if it's a stipulation for a good candidate. We're all frustrated with ownership, but Mara isn't Jerry Jones, and people are capable of change, particularly when they are down. I think most of us remember Coughlin loosening up a bit in 2007 only to go on and win the Super Bowl. I believe Mara wants nothing more than for the Giants to start winning again, and I'm hoping he will eventually do what's necessary to right the ship. I'm sure he is very aware of what people are saying about him and his team. Well that’s mighty optimistic of you, I still don’t see it happening. I think he may put up some smoke and mirrors to give the perception that the GM has more control but I would be very skeptical if that was the actual case. For example, I’m in the conspiracy camp that believes Judge didn’t pick Garrett as OC but he was forced on Judge by Mara and I could easily see Judge or Jones being forced on the new GM but we’ll never hear that it was part of the hiring requirement.
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