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Post by scoostraw on Oct 21, 2021 9:47:11 GMT -5
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Post by thetruth on Oct 21, 2021 11:29:13 GMT -5
i've seen this guys breakdowns. He's very smart with his X's and O's. Will give the video a look now |
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Post by thetruth on Oct 21, 2021 11:47:16 GMT -5
Great vid, shows the pros and cons of DJ in our last game. I wasn't aware of the technical issue he has with his feet prior to throwing. Very jerky and not efficient.
Hope he improves this year. He shows signs, just needs to put it together. Shame the GM ignored the OL like he did. BUT this is the NFL and you need to be able to adjust.
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Post by Parademon1 on Oct 21, 2021 11:50:43 GMT -5
3yrs in & he's still just eyeballing primary receiver from the snap. You hardly ever see him look off the safety or go thru his progressions.
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 21, 2021 11:53:12 GMT -5
Great vid, shows the pros and cons of DJ in our last game. I wasn't aware of the technical issue he has with his feet prior to throwing. Very jerky and not efficient. Hope he improves this year. He shows signs, just needs to put it together. Shame the GM ignored the OL like he did. BUT this is the NFL and you need to be able to adjust. [br Seems that he gets into that habit when the line is in total chaos then it sticks for a while.. This is actually fixable.. Unless we end up with Lane Kiffen and the ability to get Corral I can't see anyone else as our starter next year so ... |
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Post by Morehead State on Oct 21, 2021 11:54:37 GMT -5
3yrs in & he's still just eyeballing primary receiver from the snap. You hardly ever see him look off the safety or go thru his progressions. The guy is giving DJ a pass for the pass protection, and rightly so, but in the first strip sack he has the guy coming from his right and he still can't feel the rush. On both those strip sacks he needs to feel the rush and not expose the football. His poor pocket awareness is still a problem, which suggests into his 3rd season it's always going to be a problem.
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Post by hadenough on Oct 21, 2021 12:02:13 GMT -5
3yrs in & he's still just eyeballing primary receiver from the snap. You hardly ever see him look off the safety or go thru his progressions. The guy is giving DJ a pass for the pass protection, and rightly so, but in the first strip sack he has the guy coming from his right and he still can't feel the rush. On both those strip sacks he needs to feel the rush and not expose the football. His poor pocket awareness is still a problem, which suggests into his 3rd season it's always going to be a problem.
It was his problem every year at Duke, too. He just doesn't have a natural feel for it. He did show more movement the last few games...but that could've just been luck. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 21, 2021 12:09:42 GMT -5
The guy is giving DJ a pass for the pass protection, and rightly so, but in the first strip sack he has the guy coming from his right and he still can't feel the rush. On both those strip sacks he needs to feel the rush and not expose the football. His poor pocket awareness is still a problem, which suggests into his 3rd season it's always going to be a problem.
It was his problem every year at Duke, too. He just doesn't have a natural feel for it. He did show more movement the last few games...but that could've just been luck. He does seem to be improving a bit in some ways the last few games witb pocket movement,I did notice this.. Of course when Thomas went out everything fell apart.. |
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Post by myronguyton29 on Oct 21, 2021 12:11:12 GMT -5
3yrs in & he's still just eyeballing primary receiver from the snap. You hardly ever see him look off the safety or go thru his progressions. I remember after the Saints game and because I didn't see it, I asked the question of if he stared down SB on that TD. I was asking if he did on that play and if it was other's opinion that he had improved from that from the Denver game and some got pissy lol because it was a scoring play. Well I guess I had a legitimate question and it's still a concern huh............. sure I understand if SB was his first read and he saw man then fine but I was under the impression that he kinda stared at him pre snap but when I double checked the play that wasn't the case. |
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Post by Martin on Oct 21, 2021 12:20:02 GMT -5
3yrs in & he's still just eyeballing primary receiver from the snap. You hardly ever see him look off the safety or go thru his progressions. The guy is giving DJ a pass for the pass protection, and rightly so, but in the first strip sack he has the guy coming from his right and he still can't feel the rush. On both those strip sacks he needs to feel the rush and not expose the football. His poor pocket awareness is still a problem, which suggests into his 3rd season it's always going to be a problem.
I am not sure this ever gets fixed so if there are gonna keep him they damn well better give him a good oline. It won't stop it all the time but this QB is deer in the headlights when the rush is on. He also stares down receivers at times. This was the #6 pick! The Giants knew about this flaw and if that didn't shame on them. |
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Post by Parademon1 on Oct 21, 2021 12:26:55 GMT -5
3yrs in & he's still just eyeballing primary receiver from the snap. You hardly ever see him look off the safety or go thru his progressions. I remember after the Saints game and because I didn't see it, I asked the question of if he stared down SB on that TD. I was asking if he did on that play and if it was other's opinion that he had improved from that from the Denver game and some got pissy lol because it was a scoring play. Well I guess I had a legitimate question and it's still a concern huh............. sure I understand if SB was his first read and he saw man then fine but I was under the impression that he kinda stared at him pre snap but when I double checked the play that wasn't the case. In the vid above, I saw him never once look elsewhere except at the primary receiver. On the pick that he threw where there were 3 Rams defenders all over his primary WR, the receiver cutting underneath was wide open. But he just zeroed in on the primary target from snap to finish. DJ has poor pocket presence & continues to stare down his receivers in his 3rd yr. To a certain extent, we have to give him some slack due to the constant disarray of the OL & injury depleted offensive weapons but his 4 TOs killed any slight chance we had of staying in this game. |
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Post by dvision on Oct 21, 2021 13:12:34 GMT -5
3yrs in & he's still just eyeballing primary receiver from the snap. You hardly ever see him look off the safety or go thru his progressions. I remember after the Saints game and because I didn't see it, I asked the question of if he stared down SB on that TD. I was asking if he did on that play and if it was other's opinion that he had improved from that from the Denver game and some got pissy lol because it was a scoring play. Well I guess I had a legitimate question and it's still a concern huh............. sure I understand if SB was his first read and he saw man then fine but I was under the impression that he kinda stared at him pre snap but when I double checked the play that wasn't the case. Yeah but you were wrong on that play because the reason it was successful was because he manipulated Latimore by glancing at the out route PRIOR to throwing to Barkley... |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2021 13:22:15 GMT -5
Jones had begun to makes strides this year, we all saw it, the football world was talking about it.
he was actually looking off guys, and checking on multiple receivers.
then the giants completely collapsed to injury and lousy play, as always, and being as we have a scrap heap behind our starters, we're just a trainwreck.
as the giants go, so does DJ.
the dude has played hard this year, but as is so often the case, its about impossible to gauge his growth as this team is just a trainwreck behind him.
and here we are as usual, waiting, wondering, hoping, or maybe just hating on him, because we're all so sick of this entire teams dysfunction
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Post by kerryisdaman on Oct 21, 2021 13:29:26 GMT -5
3yrs in & he's still just eyeballing primary receiver from the snap. You hardly ever see him look off the safety or go thru his progressions. LOL if he goes past 1-2 progressions he will be on his back and you will be complaining about a fumble. |
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Post by imgrate on Oct 21, 2021 13:29:35 GMT -5
Great vid, shows the pros and cons of DJ in our last game. I wasn't aware of the technical issue he has with his feet prior to throwing. Very jerky and not efficient. Hope he improves this year. He shows signs, just needs to put it together. Shame the GM ignored the OL like he did. BUT this is the NFL and you need to be able to adjust. I wouldn't say he ignored the OL, rather he just sucked at picking/signing good players with the resources he used on it (generally speaking, of course...Thomas looks to be good if he stays healthy) |
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Post by myronguyton29 on Oct 21, 2021 13:31:22 GMT -5
I remember after the Saints game and because I didn't see it, I asked the question of if he stared down SB on that TD. I was asking if he did on that play and if it was other's opinion that he had improved from that from the Denver game and some got pissy lol because it was a scoring play. Well I guess I had a legitimate question and it's still a concern huh............. sure I understand if SB was his first read and he saw man then fine but I was under the impression that he kinda stared at him pre snap but when I double checked the play that wasn't the case. In the vid above, I saw him never once look elsewhere except at the primary receiver. On the pick that he threw where there were 3 Rams defenders all over his primary WR, the receiver cutting underneath was wide open. But he just zeroed in on the primary target from snap to finish. DJ has poor pocket presence & continues to stare down his receivers in his 3rd yr. To a certain extent, we have to give him some slack due to the constant disarray of the OL & injury depleted offensive weapons but his 4 TOs killed any slight chance we had of staying in this game. wow just wow is all I can say. Yeah some slack sure but it's troubling and I don't see how it will get better. All we can hope is that the team around him will be good enough to overcome some of those shortcomings should we stick it out with him. |
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Post by myronguyton29 on Oct 21, 2021 13:32:16 GMT -5
The guy is giving DJ a pass for the pass protection, and rightly so, but in the first strip sack he has the guy coming from his right and he still can't feel the rush. On both those strip sacks he needs to feel the rush and not expose the football. His poor pocket awareness is still a problem, which suggests into his 3rd season it's always going to be a problem.
I am not sure this ever gets fixed so if there are gonna keep him they damn well better give him a good oline. It won't stop it all the time but this QB is deer in the headlights when the rush is on. He also stares down receivers at times. This was the #6 pick! The Giants knew about this flaw and if that didn't shame on them. yup see my post a few post down from yours lol |
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Post by myronguyton29 on Oct 21, 2021 13:34:35 GMT -5
I remember after the Saints game and because I didn't see it, I asked the question of if he stared down SB on that TD. I was asking if he did on that play and if it was other's opinion that he had improved from that from the Denver game and some got pissy lol because it was a scoring play. Well I guess I had a legitimate question and it's still a concern huh............. sure I understand if SB was his first read and he saw man then fine but I was under the impression that he kinda stared at him pre snap but when I double checked the play that wasn't the case. Yeah but you were wrong on that play because the reason it was successful was because he manipulated Latimore by glancing at the out route PRIOR to throwing to Barkley... with my post I didn't make a statement I was asking a question. And later when I looked back at the play I acknowledged that I didn't see him stare at Saquon initially as I thought he had done possibly when I made the thread. |
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Post by scoostraw on Oct 21, 2021 13:46:28 GMT -5
I wasn't aware of the technical issue he has with his feet prior to throwing. Very jerky and not efficient. This is coaching. Is there a separate QB coach? Or is it just Garrett? |
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Post by scoostraw on Oct 21, 2021 13:47:55 GMT -5
On the pick that he threw where there were 3 Rams defenders all over his primary WR, the receiver cutting underneath was wide open. But he just zeroed in on the primary target from snap to finish. DJ has poor pocket presence & continues to stare down his receivers in his 3rd yr. To a certain extent, we have to give him some slack due to the constant disarray of the OL & injury depleted offensive weapons but his 4 TOs killed any slight chance we had of staying in this game. Don't forget he was coming off his concussion a week earlier. I can't help but wonder if he was/is not 100%. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2021 13:59:43 GMT -5
Great vid, shows the pros and cons of DJ in our last game. I wasn't aware of the technical issue he has with his feet prior to throwing. Very jerky and not efficient. Hope he improves this year. He shows signs, just needs to put it together. Shame the GM ignored the OL like he did. BUT this is the NFL and you need to be able to adjust. I wouldn't say he ignored the OL, rather he just sucked at picking/signing good players with the resources he used on it (generally speaking, of course...Thomas looks to be good if he stays healthy) He ignored it this past off season.. I mean are you really counting a couple of back up vets who didn't like the training regimen and quit?? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2021 14:02:15 GMT -5
My issue is that he doesn't set his feet in the right position and needs to stutter step with a bang on the ball before he releases it.
That's making everything just a bit slower which is big at this level..
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Post by McCherry on Oct 21, 2021 14:08:02 GMT -5
It makes no sense to over-analyze Jones based on his one awful game. We know what the adversities were. Post-concussion, injuries on the OL, no wide receivers, no starting RB. Nobody was talking about staring down receivers when Golloday, Toney and Barkley were healthy. If what we saw Sunday was typical Jones, there'd be no discussion because he would've been replaced long ago,
Eli had a three pick-6 game vs. the Vikings in his fourth year, it happens. It was Jones' worst game as a pro, the best way to evaluate this game is to forget it and move on.
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Post by Martin on Oct 21, 2021 14:11:26 GMT -5
Jones had begun to makes strides this year, we all saw it, the football world was talking about it. he was actually looking off guys, and checking on multiple receivers. then the giants completely collapsed to injury and lousy play, as always, and being as we have a scrap heap behind our starters, we're just a trainwreck. as the giants go, so does DJ. the dude has played hard this year, but as is so often the case, its about impossible to gauge his growth as this team is just a trainwreck behind him. and here we are as usual, waiting, wondering, hoping, or maybe just hating on him, because we're all so sick of this entire teams dysfunction This is a problem. You picked him #6 for your future and without accurate evaluation what do you do? Some of our forum experts have mentioned that this coming draft class is weak for QB. Trainwreck yes!!  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2021 14:38:27 GMT -5
Jones had begun to makes strides this year, we all saw it, the football world was talking about it. he was actually looking off guys, and checking on multiple receivers. then the giants completely collapsed to injury and lousy play, as always, and being as we have a scrap heap behind our starters, we're just a trainwreck. as the giants go, so does DJ. the dude has played hard this year, but as is so often the case, its about impossible to gauge his growth as this team is just a trainwreck behind him. and here we are as usual, waiting, wondering, hoping, or maybe just hating on him, because we're all so sick of this entire teams dysfunction This is a problem. You picked him #6 for your future and without accurate evaluation what do you do? Some of our forum experts have mentioned that this coming draft class is weak for QB. Trainwreck yes!! this current era of lousiness has taught me how much one bad thing affects another, and also how difficult it is to tell what you have in one area when another area is totally bereft, thus crippling all around it. the attributes of a bad team. if we were solid all over the field, we could endure a deficiency here and there (well not really, to a point) but we cant afford to be anything less than the absolute best with all we have, and this goes for DJ too. but we're never even the best of what we have lol, which is still not good enough, and hence here i am griping in a forum.... |
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Post by imgrate on Oct 21, 2021 14:48:51 GMT -5
I wouldn't say he ignored the OL, rather he just sucked at picking/signing good players with the resources he used on it (generally speaking, of course...Thomas looks to be good if he stays healthy) He ignored it this past off season.. I mean are you really counting a couple of back up vets who didn't like the training regimen and quit?? I'm not, I mean yea I guess you can say that he ignored it this specific offseason, but during his overall tenure here he has thrown alot of resources ($$ and draft picks) at the OL. And honestly, if the OL that started week 1 stayed healthy, then it would've been atleast a middle of the pack OL in the NFL |
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Post by Martin on Oct 21, 2021 15:00:03 GMT -5
This is a problem. You picked him #6 for your future and without accurate evaluation what do you do? Some of our forum experts have mentioned that this coming draft class is weak for QB. Trainwreck yes!! this current era of lousiness has taught me how much one bad thing affects another, and also how difficult it is to tell what you have in one area when another area is totally bereft, thus crippling all around it. the attributes of a bad team. if we were solid all over the field, we could endure a deficiency here and there (well not really, to a point) but we cant afford to be anything less than the absolute best with all we have, and this goes for DJ too. but we're never even the best of what we have lol, which is still not good enough, and hence here i am griping in a forum.... Griping is good... better than drug or alcohol abuse. But on a serious note how can this team ever achieve a degree of consistency? You point out that DJ made some good strides (which he did) but without some team consistency it's so hard to evaluate. Not just DJ but also Joe Judge. This team with injury after injury is a web of dissolution and distortion is evident. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 21, 2021 15:08:49 GMT -5
This is a problem. You picked him #6 for your future and without accurate evaluation what do you do? Some of our forum experts have mentioned that this coming draft class is weak for QB. Trainwreck yes!! this current era of lousiness has taught me how much one bad thing affects another, and also how difficult it is to tell what you have in one area when another area is totally bereft, thus crippling all around it. the attributes of a bad team. if we were solid all over the field, we could endure a deficiency here and there (well not really, to a point) but we cant afford to be anything less than the absolute best with all we have, and this goes for DJ too. but we're never even the best of what we have lol, which is still not good enough, and hence here i am griping in a forum.... Honestly any young qb we would have brought in would be having similar issues of inconsistencies and losing Let's go to a very popular revisionist history amongst our fan base and I'll show you how similar if not even worse it would be Let's do everything exactly the same all of 2018 and 2019 in the offseason and instead of Jones we take the pass rusher Josh Allen He has a good rookie year,Eli plays out his contract and we go 4-12(Eli retires with a now badly bruised legacy of an under .500 career record as well )as qb didn't lose game for us but witb a bad roster other than the Tampa game didn't win any games. We are now going into 2020 with only one major resource at O like drafted (Hernandez)and a 5th round completimentary speed WR added . Instead of Thomas we take Herbert. Everything else the same So one issue is now we don't have a future LT prospect,added to Solder opting out. So Peart is now thrust in as a 3rd round undersized rookie tackle full time Embarrassing group of playmakers..Garret .. There is no way Herbert has a rookie season like he does in Los Angeles (where he had Keenen Allen,Mike Williams,Guyton,Hunter Henry as weapons ...all better than what we had last year ),horrible O line and no weapons.. But we do enough to go 6-10 So now 2021 offseason.. no weapons we have to pay Golladay still...we do everything the same Now what do we do at 11? We HAVE to take Slater. And miss out on Toney and an extra potential high 2022 first round pick .... Minus the dynamic playmaking ability of Toney we now have tbe same injured playmakers as last year witb Golladay out and our line being Slater and everyone else... Herbert would probably show the same step up Jones has but we would see games like last week as well because down to nobody ...and fans would be calling for a new qb.. All the while he would have to be like Jones be working through flaws in his game while dealing with this... And now we don't have the extra draft capital next year.... The offseasons of 2018-2019 potentially set this franchise back a decade due to short sightendness and old fogie football mentality |
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Post by nyg2 on Oct 21, 2021 15:54:48 GMT -5
as the giants go, so does DJ. If he's a franchise QB the correct thing to say would've been, as DJ goes the Giants go. Which gets into the heart of the problem since last year, it seems like the kid needs everything to be perfect for him to be able to function. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 21, 2021 16:11:41 GMT -5
as the giants go, so does DJ. If he's a franchise QB the correct thing to say would've been, as DJ goes the Giants go. Which gets into the heart of the problem since last year, it seems like the kid needs everything to be perfect for him to be able to function. But we haven't even seen "good enough " around here,except for the Saints game Perfect is what Dallas has around Dak,Tampa has around Brady,Buffalo has around Allen. |
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