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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 25, 2021 12:02:31 GMT -5
Common theme here early in the year, They didn't they took a chance and it failed there OL is one of the reasons they are 3-4 funny how these narratives fizzle away.
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Post by spaceweather on Oct 25, 2021 13:08:08 GMT -5
Sadly this board spends way too much time feeling good about the failures of other teams. Our OL is downright awful and has been for YEARS. I am taking no victory lap in another teams OL being bad.
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Post by jb456 on Oct 25, 2021 13:19:26 GMT -5
Common theme here early in the year, They didn't they took a chance and it failed there OL is one of the reasons they are 3-4 funny how these narratives fizzle away. I'm going to have to disagree with you BBD. The reason for the Chiefs woes doesn't lie with their offense, it lies with their pathetic defense. The Chiefs are a top 8 offense even with that pathetic showing this week. They are scoring on average 26.9 per Game. In 2020, they were scoring 28.5. They could even end the year with a similar amount of point scored as 2020 and they would still have their troubles. In 2021, the Chiefs are allowing 29 points per game on average. in 2020, they were allowing 22.8. They are allowing almost a full TD more than 2020 so far this year. |
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Post by Kruunch on Oct 25, 2021 13:21:30 GMT -5
Common theme here early in the year, They didn't they took a chance and it failed there OL is one of the reasons they are 3-4 funny how these narratives fizzle away. Your post gave me an aneurism.. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 25, 2021 13:24:12 GMT -5
Common theme here early in the year, They didn't they took a chance and it failed there OL is one of the reasons they are 3-4 funny how these narratives fizzle away. Your post gave me an aneurism.. more like hernia lol it's true. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 25, 2021 13:26:37 GMT -5
Common theme here early in the year, They didn't they took a chance and it failed there OL is one of the reasons they are 3-4 funny how these narratives fizzle away. I'm going to have to disagree with you BBD. The reason for the Chiefs woes doesn't lie with their offense, it lies with their pathetic defense. The Chiefs are a top 8 offense even with that pathetic showing this week. They are scoring on average 26.9 per Game. In 2020, they were scoring 28.5. They could even end the year with a similar amount of point scored as 2020 and they would still have their troubles. In 2021, the Chiefs are allowing 29 points per game on average. in 2020, they were allowing 22.8. They are allowing almost a full TD more than 2020 so far this year. Agree but when they have faced some decent fronts that when the trouble starts for them up front their defense is the main culprit but their OL has had issues holding up. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 25, 2021 13:28:30 GMT -5
Sadly this board spends way too much time feeling good about the failures of other teams. Our OL is downright awful and has been for YEARS. I am taking no victory lap in another teams OL being bad. It's just funny they hadn't played a snap and people were talking like the built the dallas cowboys in the heyday OL they are better then our OL that is for sure but they are not better then the OL they had . |
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Post by IrishMike on Oct 25, 2021 13:51:27 GMT -5
I'm going to have to disagree with you BBD. The reason for the Chiefs woes doesn't lie with their offense, it lies with their pathetic defense. The Chiefs are a top 8 offense even with that pathetic showing this week. They are scoring on average 26.9 per Game. In 2020, they were scoring 28.5. They could even end the year with a similar amount of point scored as 2020 and they would still have their troubles. In 2021, the Chiefs are allowing 29 points per game on average. in 2020, they were allowing 22.8. They are allowing almost a full TD more than 2020 so far this year. Their offense is scoring that much because they have one of the best QBs, best WRs and best TEs in football. It's not because their OL is good. Their OL has been pretty damn bad this year actually. There is also a huge difference from 26.9 and 28.5 points a game. That is comparing the Chiefs (#6) to the Vikings (#11) last year. I doubt anyone would say the Vikings were almost as good as the Chiefs last year.
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Post by IrishMike on Oct 25, 2021 13:52:47 GMT -5
Sadly this board spends way too much time feeling good about the failures of other teams. Our OL is downright awful and has been for YEARS. I am taking no victory lap in another teams OL being bad. Funny I was going to say sadly this board spends way too much time feeling bad because we are not fans of other teams. Tomato tomato. |
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Post by jb456 on Oct 25, 2021 14:37:22 GMT -5
I'm going to have to disagree with you BBD. The reason for the Chiefs woes doesn't lie with their offense, it lies with their pathetic defense. The Chiefs are a top 8 offense even with that pathetic showing this week. They are scoring on average 26.9 per Game. In 2020, they were scoring 28.5. They could even end the year with a similar amount of point scored as 2020 and they would still have their troubles. In 2021, the Chiefs are allowing 29 points per game on average. in 2020, they were allowing 22.8. They are allowing almost a full TD more than 2020 so far this year. Their offense is scoring that much because they have one of the best QBs, best WRs and best TEs in football. It's not because their OL is good. Their OL has been pretty damn bad this year actually. There is also a huge difference from 26.9 and 28.5 points a game. That is comparing the Chiefs (#6) to the Vikings (#11) last year. I doubt anyone would say the Vikings were almost as good as the Chiefs last year.
It's a 1 game outlier (After 7 games) between the points of 26.9 and 28.5. 1.6 x 7 = 11.2 points. If the Chiefs scored 15 points yesterday instead of 3, they would be averaging MORE points in 2021 than in 2020. I never said their Oline was good, it isn't. Their defense is giving up 6.2 more points per game in 2021. Their defense is clearly their biggest problem by far. Unfortunately, the Giants will most likely get them back on track next week. Monday night football and primetime is almost a guaranteed loss... |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 25, 2021 15:31:06 GMT -5
Sadly this board spends way too much time feeling good about the failures of other teams. Our OL is downright awful and has been for YEARS. I am taking no victory lap in another teams OL being bad. Funny I was going to say sadly this board spends way too much time feeling bad because we are not fans of other teams. Tomato tomato. My point was more just like the Giants with there defense that everyone thought would be a lock top 10 unit throwing assets and money at something doesn't always make it better, I think KC might have moved on at the right time for some of them but we had people acting like they built a top 5 OL not the case. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 25, 2021 15:33:04 GMT -5
As far as our game with them, to bad our guys are not healthy because i think they could of scored a lot of points against KCs defense don't know if they can do it in the state they are in now.
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Post by IrishMike on Oct 25, 2021 18:20:40 GMT -5
It's a 1 game outlier (After 7 games) between the points of 26.9 and 28.5. 1.6 x 7 = 11.2 points. If the Chiefs scored 15 points yesterday instead of 3, they would be averaging MORE points in 2021 than in 2020. I never said their Oline was good, it isn't. Their defense is giving up 6.2 more points per game in 2021. Their defense is clearly their biggest problem by far. Unfortunately, the Giants will most likely get them back on track next week. Monday night football and primetime is almost a guaranteed loss... Not much else to talk about really. The point the OP was making is that there was a big thread made about how amazing the Chiefs are because they rebuilt their OL in 1 year when the truth is their OL stinks. I agree with you the issue with the Chiefs is their D, it always has been.
Monday night, primetime, in KC, them coming off a horrible game, us coming off a great defensive game...all the makings of a disaster for us. I'm hoping Toney shows up on the big stage and balls out though.
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Post by IrishMike on Oct 25, 2021 18:21:34 GMT -5
Funny I was going to say sadly this board spends way too much time feeling bad because we are not fans of other teams. Tomato tomato. My point was more just like the Giants with there defense that everyone thought would be a lock top 10 unit throwing assets and money at something doesn't always make it better, I think KC might have moved on at the right time for some of them but we had people acting like they built a top 5 OL not the case. I agree 100%
It was a foolish post to boast about an OL before they ever played a snap.
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Post by jb456 on Oct 25, 2021 20:11:27 GMT -5
It's a 1 game outlier (After 7 games) between the points of 26.9 and 28.5. 1.6 x 7 = 11.2 points. If the Chiefs scored 15 points yesterday instead of 3, they would be averaging MORE points in 2021 than in 2020. I never said their Oline was good, it isn't. Their defense is giving up 6.2 more points per game in 2021. Their defense is clearly their biggest problem by far. Unfortunately, the Giants will most likely get them back on track next week. Monday night football and primetime is almost a guaranteed loss... Not much else to talk about really. The point the OP was making is that there was a big thread made about how amazing the Chiefs are because they rebuilt their OL in 1 year when the truth is their OL stinks. I agree with you the issue with the Chiefs is their D, it always has been.
Monday night, primetime, in KC, them coming off a horrible game, us coming off a great defensive game...all the makings of a disaster for us. I'm hoping Toney shows up on the big stage and balls out though.
Is Toney playing? That would at least give the Giants a small chance... |
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Post by DandyDon on Oct 25, 2021 21:01:16 GMT -5
Common theme here early in the year, They didn't they took a chance and it failed there OL is one of the reasons they are 3-4 funny how these narratives fizzle away. Fact is there aren't many great OLs in any given NFL season. The teams that are better at scheming around it do better. But come playoffs, the teams with better OL and DL usually succeed. Mahomes is a perfect example. A very talented player with bad play in both trenches. And Brady, an experienced old fart with very good players on both sides of the ball. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 25, 2021 21:55:38 GMT -5
Not much else to talk about really. The point the OP was making is that there was a big thread made about how amazing the Chiefs are because they rebuilt their OL in 1 year when the truth is their OL stinks. I agree with you the issue with the Chiefs is their D, it always has been.
Monday night, primetime, in KC, them coming off a horrible game, us coming off a great defensive game...all the makings of a disaster for us. I'm hoping Toney shows up on the big stage and balls out though.
Is Toney playing? That would at least give the Giants a small chance... since it's a monday night game probably know friday who's in and who's out would be great if all of them were back. |
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Post by IrishMike on Oct 26, 2021 18:14:03 GMT -5
Not much else to talk about really. The point the OP was making is that there was a big thread made about how amazing the Chiefs are because they rebuilt their OL in 1 year when the truth is their OL stinks. I agree with you the issue with the Chiefs is their D, it always has been.
Monday night, primetime, in KC, them coming off a horrible game, us coming off a great defensive game...all the makings of a disaster for us. I'm hoping Toney shows up on the big stage and balls out though.
Is Toney playing? That would at least give the Giants a small chance... I have not heard yet but I have to believe he will be out there. |
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