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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2021 12:15:42 GMT -5
There is nothing good about Getty so please stop.. Do you think building from the trenches is a bad idea? FFS man, one can admit an idea is good even if they don't think the person executing the idea is good at it. Building from the trenches is a solid and effective way to build a team. But it requires quite a bit of dedication to it as well as consistent success in finding the right pieces. DG has failed in both. He's drafted 5 OL players in 4 drafts; 3 in the same one; with 2 of them low round picks. He needs to focus more on that because you can't expect to hit on every one. There should be a pick in the first 4 rounds of every draft at OL and DL or Edge as well. Plus he needs to make the right picks more often than not. He is not doing an effective job in getting his plan to build from the trenches done. If he had, and the Giants have a top OL and DL right now; this team would be winning more games. Problem is a poor OL makes a DL worse. Because DL wear out over a game if the OL cannot sustain drives. So the focus needs to start with the OL and continue to feed that OL talent. You can't draft 3 guys in one draft and think you are done. Keep feeding talent there. Even after saying please you decided against it.. Getty sucks maybe someday you'll finally understand..
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Post by Roswell on Nov 29, 2021 12:19:07 GMT -5
There is nothing good about Getty so please stop.. Do you think building from the trenches is a bad idea? FFS man, one can admit an idea is good even if they don't think the person executing the idea is good at it. Building from the trenches is a solid and effective way to build a team. But it requires quite a bit of dedication to it as well as consistent success in finding the right pieces. DG has failed in both. He's drafted 5 OL players in 4 drafts; 3 in the same one; with 2 of them low round picks. He needs to focus more on that because you can't expect to hit on every one. There should be a pick in the first 4 rounds of every draft at OL and DL or Edge as well. Plus he needs to make the right picks more often than not. He is not doing an effective job in getting his plan to build from the trenches done. If he had, and the Giants have a top OL and DL right now; this team would be winning more games. Problem is a poor OL makes a DL worse. Because DL wear out over a game if the OL cannot sustain drives. So the focus needs to start with the OL and continue to feed that OL talent. You can't draft 3 guys in one draft and think you are done. Keep feeding talent there. Nice post. It is definitely a misconception to state that Gettlemen has ignored the Oline. It's more that his moves haven't worked out with the exception of Thomas.
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Post by Rangers13 on Nov 29, 2021 12:23:35 GMT -5
Do you think building from the trenches is a bad idea? FFS man, one can admit an idea is good even if they don't think the person executing the idea is good at it. Building from the trenches is a solid and effective way to build a team. But it requires quite a bit of dedication to it as well as consistent success in finding the right pieces. DG has failed in both. He's drafted 5 OL players in 4 drafts; 3 in the same one; with 2 of them low round picks. He needs to focus more on that because you can't expect to hit on every one. There should be a pick in the first 4 rounds of every draft at OL and DL or Edge as well. Plus he needs to make the right picks more often than not. He is not doing an effective job in getting his plan to build from the trenches done. If he had, and the Giants have a top OL and DL right now; this team would be winning more games. Problem is a poor OL makes a DL worse. Because DL wear out over a game if the OL cannot sustain drives. So the focus needs to start with the OL and continue to feed that OL talent. You can't draft 3 guys in one draft and think you are done. Keep feeding talent there. Nice post. It is definitely a misconception to state that Gettlemen has ignored the Oline. It's more that his moves haven't worked out with the exception of Thomas. same excuse was used for Reese. One early draft pick, a journeyman, late pick, injury, injury, free agent, juggle the line = cr@p Neither committed to the OL. Go back to back OL early and then one of the top two draft picks the following year. That’s how you commit. Both Reese and Gettleman went about the OL with a half@ss effort.
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Post by jmike on Nov 29, 2021 12:27:05 GMT -5
Do you think building from the trenches is a bad idea? FFS man, one can admit an idea is good even if they don't think the person executing the idea is good at it. Building from the trenches is a solid and effective way to build a team. But it requires quite a bit of dedication to it as well as consistent success in finding the right pieces. DG has failed in both. He's drafted 5 OL players in 4 drafts; 3 in the same one; with 2 of them low round picks. He needs to focus more on that because you can't expect to hit on every one. There should be a pick in the first 4 rounds of every draft at OL and DL or Edge as well. Plus he needs to make the right picks more often than not. He is not doing an effective job in getting his plan to build from the trenches done. If he had, and the Giants have a top OL and DL right now; this team would be winning more games. Problem is a poor OL makes a DL worse. Because DL wear out over a game if the OL cannot sustain drives. So the focus needs to start with the OL and continue to feed that OL talent. You can't draft 3 guys in one draft and think you are done. Keep feeding talent there. Even after saying please you decided against it.. Getty sucks maybe someday you'll finally understand.. Well since you can't seem to understand that I did say DG sucks in those posts; I don't imagine you will ever understand.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2021 12:27:22 GMT -5
Do you think building from the trenches is a bad idea? FFS man, one can admit an idea is good even if they don't think the person executing the idea is good at it. Building from the trenches is a solid and effective way to build a team. But it requires quite a bit of dedication to it as well as consistent success in finding the right pieces. DG has failed in both. He's drafted 5 OL players in 4 drafts; 3 in the same one; with 2 of them low round picks. He needs to focus more on that because you can't expect to hit on every one. There should be a pick in the first 4 rounds of every draft at OL and DL or Edge as well. Plus he needs to make the right picks more often than not. He is not doing an effective job in getting his plan to build from the trenches done. If he had, and the Giants have a top OL and DL right now; this team would be winning more games. Problem is a poor OL makes a DL worse. Because DL wear out over a game if the OL cannot sustain drives. So the focus needs to start with the OL and continue to feed that OL talent. You can't draft 3 guys in one draft and think you are done. Keep feeding talent there. Nice post. It is definitely a misconception to state that Gettlemen has ignored the Oline. It's more that his moves haven't worked out with the exception of Thomas. Drafting 5 olineman in 4 drafts with plenty of extra picks screams that he neglected it.. Maybe that would be good since only one of those he chose are any good but lets face it he sucked picking most of the time..
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2021 12:27:56 GMT -5
Even after saying please you decided against it.. Getty sucks maybe someday you'll finally understand.. Well since you can't seem to understand that I did say DG sucks in those posts; I don't imagine you will ever understand. Same with you stopping the nonsense about Getty's good plan.. LOL
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2021 12:29:26 GMT -5
Nice post. It is definitely a misconception to state that Gettlemen has ignored the Oline. It's more that his moves haven't worked out with the exception of Thomas. same excuse was used for Reese. One early draft pick, a journeyman, late pick, injury, injury, free agent, juggle the line = cr@p Neither committed to the OL. Go back to back OL early and then one of the top two draft picks the following year. That’s how you commit. Both Reese and Gettleman went about the OL with a half@ss effort. Exactly.. Now to find some competent evaluators is another thing this team is lacking badly..
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Post by jmike on Nov 29, 2021 12:30:11 GMT -5
Well since you can't seem to understand that I did say DG sucks in those posts; I don't imagine you will ever understand. Same with you stopping the nonsense about Getty's good plan.. LOL Building from the trenches is a good plan. Do you think that it isn't a good plan to first strengthen your OL and front 7 as a means to build a winning team?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2021 12:31:27 GMT -5
Same with you stopping the nonsense about Getty's good plan.. LOL Building from the trenches is a good plan. Do you think that it isn't a good plan to first strengthen your OL and front 7 as a means to build a winning team? ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.. Have a wonderful rest of your life..
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Post by Roswell on Nov 29, 2021 12:32:17 GMT -5
Nice post. It is definitely a misconception to state that Gettlemen has ignored the Oline. It's more that his moves haven't worked out with the exception of Thomas. Drafting 5 olineman in 4 drafts with plenty of extra picks screams that he neglected it.. Maybe that would be good since only one of those he chose are any good but lets face it he sucked picking most of the time.. He also signed a bunch in FA and traded for Zeitler and the 2 blokes he's got starting now and had Gates fall into his lap. There's been plenty of Oline moves, they just been the wrong players.
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Post by jmike on Nov 29, 2021 12:34:37 GMT -5
Drafting 5 olineman in 4 drafts with plenty of extra picks screams that he neglected it.. Maybe that would be good since only one of those he chose are any good but lets face it he sucked picking most of the time.. He also signed a bunch in FA and traded for Zeitler and the 2 blokes he's got starting now and had Gates fall into his lap. There's been plenty of Oline moves, they just been the wrong players. IDK, I like Thomas.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2021 12:35:21 GMT -5
Drafting 5 olineman in 4 drafts with plenty of extra picks screams that he neglected it.. Maybe that would be good since only one of those he chose are any good but lets face it he sucked picking most of the time.. He also signed a bunch in FA and traded for Zeitler and the 2 blokes he's got starting now and had Gates fall into his lap. There's been plenty of Oline moves, they just been the wrong players. So I guess we will have to agree to disagree with this.. Grabbing players from the cut list is now a good thing to help rebuild the oline! Here comes more losing..
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Post by Roswell on Nov 29, 2021 13:01:39 GMT -5
He also signed a bunch in FA and traded for Zeitler and the 2 blokes he's got starting now and had Gates fall into his lap. There's been plenty of Oline moves, they just been the wrong players. So I guess we will have to agree to disagree with this.. Grabbing players from the cut list is now a good thing to help rebuild the oline! Here comes more losing.. No I agree with you. He has made tons of bad moves. The Oline is completely on him. And is his undoing.
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Post by jmike on Nov 29, 2021 13:15:44 GMT -5
So I guess we will have to agree to disagree with this.. Grabbing players from the cut list is now a good thing to help rebuild the oline! Here comes more losing.. No I agree with you. He has made tons of bad moves. The Oline is completely on him. And is his undoing. I think the point is he has addressed it. He just hasn't addressed it effectively. He also seems to assume that the player he grabs will just work out and stay healthy with no back up plan. Really poor job overall. Kind of like Mara knowing we needed to replace Reese but not effectively knowing how to find a good GM.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2021 13:27:47 GMT -5
So I guess we will have to agree to disagree with this.. Grabbing players from the cut list is now a good thing to help rebuild the oline! Here comes more losing.. No I agree with you. He has made tons of bad moves. The Oline is completely on him. And is his undoing. Getty has no idea how to build a team be it in the trenches or otherwise. Just throwing a bunch of hacks together isn't a good plan even if others out here want to argue he has a good one.. His plan has been terrible and the execution of it is his legacy of sucking bad..
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Post by jmike on Nov 29, 2021 13:34:12 GMT -5
No I agree with you. He has made tons of bad moves. The Oline is completely on him. And is his undoing. Getty has no idea how to build a team be it in the trenches or otherwise. Just throwing a bunch of hacks together isn't a good plan even if others out here want to argue he has a good one.. His plan has been terrible and the execution of it is his legacy of sucking bad.. Maybe if I called it his goal instead of plan, you might be able to understand. The goal: Build a team that is strong at the line of scrimmage on offense and defense. This is a good goal regardless of who's goal it is. Just because it is DG's goal, it doesn't make it a bad goal. The problem with DG is it appears as if he is incapable of effectively achieving that goal. His "throw shit against the wall" approach does not work.
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Post by Rangers13 on Nov 30, 2021 20:15:22 GMT -5
Dave Gettleman era will end just as it began. A QB who can’t play, a high draft pick and need for a QB. Meanwhile, the OL is a mess.
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Post by Rangers13 on Nov 30, 2021 21:38:24 GMT -5
can’t wait for Christmas and the 12 Days of Gettleman
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Post by te88 on Nov 30, 2021 21:42:41 GMT -5
Dave Gettleman era will end just as it began. A QB who can’t play, a high draft pick and need for a QB. Meanwhile, the OL is a mess. Don’t forget cap hell.
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Post by Rangers13 on Dec 2, 2021 9:34:28 GMT -5
Giants Convert $758K of Nick Gates Salary to guaranteed bonus to creating $379K in cap space 😆 Can’t make it up
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