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Post by allnygin on Nov 30, 2021 22:48:30 GMT -5
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 30, 2021 22:54:58 GMT -5
So my mild conspiracy theory about this seems correct. This is why I'm indifferent with the GM spot even though I think this was the most butchered attempt at a complete blow up and rebuild from the foundation I have ever seen in the modern era ...with how many golden opportunities they had to have a dynamic young talented nucleus on both sides of the ball. I've all but conceded that Fredo's next sock puppet is already on staff . Seeing this article confirms people above the coach and probably the GM are dictating terms |
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Post by allnygin on Nov 30, 2021 22:58:24 GMT -5
So my mild conspiracy theory about this seems correct. This is why I'm indifferent with the GM spot even though I think this was the most butchered attempt at a complete blow up and rebuild from the foundation I have ever seen in the modern era ...with how many golden opportunities they had to have a dynamic young talented nucleus on both sides of the ball. I've all but conceded that Fredo's next sock puppet is already on staff . Seeing this article confirms people above the coach and probably the GM are dictating terms yeah to many pieces of that puzzle fit.. there's no doubt about it as long as Mara continues to meddle in the business of those he hires this team will never get better. |
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Post by Rangers13 on Nov 30, 2021 23:15:14 GMT -5
We have no idea if Abrams is taking over. Mara is struggling but maybe Mara is surrounding himself with people who appear as confused as some fans. One min he’s being told we need a Modern Day offense and the next the same voices prepose a Prehistoric defense. Even here, “we need weapons” was the cry. Same poster now want a big NT/DT. So how does a prehistoric defense stop a modern day offense? Maybe the people surrounding Mara send as many bipolar messages as fans here. Hence, nothing gets better. |
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Post by allnygin on Nov 30, 2021 23:22:08 GMT -5
We have no idea if Abrams is taking over. Mara is struggling but maybe Mara is surrounding himself with people who appear as confused as some fans. One min he’s being told we need a Modern Day offense and the next the same voices prepose a Prehistoric defense. Even here, “we need weapons” was the cry. Same poster now want a big NT/DT. So how does a prehistoric defense stop a modern day offense? Maybe the people surrounding Mara send as many bipolar messages and fans here. Hence, nothing gets better. Clearly he is confused and doesn't know it. He's been ****ing up since 2015 and still seems to meddle to much with what coaches and gms should be doing. Either way they've been so bad they might as well be just average fans running the show, bc they absolutely suck and have for far to long. |
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Post by Rangers13 on Nov 30, 2021 23:39:01 GMT -5
We have no idea if Abrams is taking over. Mara is struggling but maybe Mara is surrounding himself with people who appear as confused as some fans. One min he’s being told we need a Modern Day offense and the next the same voices prepose a Prehistoric defense. Even here, “we need weapons” was the cry. Same poster now want a big NT/DT. So how does a prehistoric defense stop a modern day offense? Maybe the people surrounding Mara send as many bipolar messages and fans here. Hence, nothing gets better. Clearly he is confused and doesn't know it. He's been ****ing up since 2015 and still seems to meddle to much with what coaches and gms should be doing. Either way they've been so bad they might as well be just average fans running the show, bc they absolutely suck and have for far to long. i called him out in 2015. Yeah, get out of the way. And this whole “once a Giant always a Giant” was repeated often as the losing was adding up. Hey, come off your high horse and don’t forget you started this life off on 3rd base. With this Jones situation becoming a fiasco we might be farther away than we think. We have no cap space and might not have a QB. The Gettleman years are looking like a total waste of time and resources. |
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Post by McCherry on Nov 30, 2021 23:50:39 GMT -5
This story didn't actually say that. It only re-iterated what we already knew last year that was tension between Judge/Garrett. Garrett should’ve never returned, and that's on Judge. To your other point, I don't think it's unlikely Abrams is going to be the next GM. |
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Post by Roosevelt on Dec 1, 2021 0:00:41 GMT -5
The source needs to be fired immediately.
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Post by cdngfan on Dec 1, 2021 0:37:50 GMT -5
Won’t be popular, but Judge gets a pass in my book based on this article. Give him another year John and let him pick his own staff for Christ’s sake.
I know it doesn’t prove anything, but the pieces line up too nicely for this to be BS. Kitchens has a former relationship with Judge, and Garrett had one with the Giants. But Garrett is OC and Columbo gets fired quick, and Garrett survives?
Coaching an NFL team is incredibly hard, doing it when your staff is forced down your throat makes is even harder.
I’ve been pissed with the Mara’s for awhile now, and I’m not a Garrett hater.
But this is disgraceful. The Mara’s should be ashamed of themselves.
Stop throwing chairs and knocking over garbage cans John, and start kicking your own ass you dumb silver spoon self serving ignorant pin-striped mouth breather.
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Post by giantlegacy on Dec 1, 2021 0:39:33 GMT -5
Won’t be popular, but Judge gets a pass in my book based on this article. Give him another year John and let him pick his own staff for Christ’s sake. I know it doesn’t prove anything, but the pieces line up too nicely for this to be BS. Kitchens has a former relationship with Judge, and Garrett had one with the Giants. But Garrett is OC and Columbo gets fired quick, and Garrett survives? Coaching an NFL team is incredibly hard, doing it when your staff is forced down your throat makes is even harder. I’ve been pissed with the Mara’s for awhile now, and I’m not a Garrett hater. But this is disgraceful. The Mara’s should be ashamed of themselves. Stop throwing chairs and knocking over garbage cans John, and start kicking your own ass you dumb silver spoon self serving ignorant pin-striped mouth breather. He should start by firing his brother |
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Post by DandyDon on Dec 1, 2021 0:45:45 GMT -5
Won’t be popular, but Judge gets a pass in my book based on this article. Give him another year John and let him pick his own staff for Christ’s sake. I know it doesn’t prove anything, but the pieces line up too nicely for this to be BS. Kitchens has a former relationship with Judge, and Garrett had one with the Giants. But Garrett is OC and Columbo gets fired quick, and Garrett survives? Coaching an NFL team is incredibly hard, doing it when your staff is forced down your throat makes is even harder. I’ve been pissed with the Mara’s for awhile now, and I’m not a Garrett hater. But this is disgraceful. The Mara’s should be ashamed of themselves. Stop throwing chairs and knocking over garbage cans John, and start kicking your own ass you dumb silver spoon self serving ignorant pin-striped mouth breather. Until and unless the Maras stop treating this team like a family business, nothing will change. It's obvious to everyone in the league, except for the Maras. |
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Post by cdngfan on Dec 1, 2021 0:58:59 GMT -5
Won’t be popular, but Judge gets a pass in my book based on this article. Give him another year John and let him pick his own staff for Christ’s sake. I know it doesn’t prove anything, but the pieces line up too nicely for this to be BS. Kitchens has a former relationship with Judge, and Garrett had one with the Giants. But Garrett is OC and Columbo gets fired quick, and Garrett survives? Coaching an NFL team is incredibly hard, doing it when your staff is forced down your throat makes is even harder. I’ve been pissed with the Mara’s for awhile now, and I’m not a Garrett hater. But this is disgraceful. The Mara’s should be ashamed of themselves. Stop throwing chairs and knocking over garbage cans John, and start kicking your own ass you dumb silver spoon self serving ignorant pin-striped mouth breather. Until and unless the Maras stop treating this team like a family business, nothing will change. It's obvious to everyone in the league, except for the Maras. I just find it shocking that this family thinks they’re helping. Someone within their circle eventually has to have the balls to let them know they’re a huge reason why we suck. Find another hobby John. Running a football team is clearly not your thing. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2021 7:30:57 GMT -5
Can we at least let this play out instead of providing a conclusion of what might happen?? Jeez..
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Post by TEM on Dec 1, 2021 7:43:36 GMT -5
So my mild conspiracy theory about this seems correct. This is why I'm indifferent with the GM spot even though I think this was the most butchered attempt at a complete blow up and rebuild from the foundation I have ever seen in the modern era ...with how many golden opportunities they had to have a dynamic young talented nucleus on both sides of the ball. I've all but conceded that Fredo's next sock puppet is already on staff . Seeing this article confirms people above the coach and probably the GM are dictating terms I still believe it will be Chris. The middle man is becoming cumbersome to the Mara Brothers. The pan is getting too hot to,find another 3 year fall guy to control and throw under the bus. Who wants that job? |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 1, 2021 8:02:44 GMT -5
Wouldn't be surprised if Judge resigned never mind being fired. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 1, 2021 8:11:44 GMT -5
So my mild conspiracy theory about this seems correct. This is why I'm indifferent with the GM spot even though I think this was the most butchered attempt at a complete blow up and rebuild from the foundation I have ever seen in the modern era ...with how many golden opportunities they had to have a dynamic young talented nucleus on both sides of the ball. I've all but conceded that Fredo's next sock puppet is already on staff . Seeing this article confirms people above the coach and probably the GM are dictating terms yeah to many pieces of that puzzle fit.. there's no doubt about it as long as Mara continues to meddle in the business of those he hires this team will never get better. Meddling with the coaching staff is the last straw really, the head coach should have his people in place always though Garrett and Judge were an odd couple. |
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Post by Rangers13 on Dec 1, 2021 8:22:35 GMT -5
Won’t be popular, but Judge gets a pass in my book based on this article. Give him another year John and let him pick his own staff for Christ’s sake. but the headset  . . . . Mara did this with Coughlin’s staff too. |
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Post by cdngfan on Dec 1, 2021 8:26:43 GMT -5
Won’t be popular, but Judge gets a pass in my book based on this article. Give him another year John and let him pick his own staff for Christ’s sake. but the headset . . . . Mara did this with Coughlin’s staff too. That’s probably what made John think he knows what he’s doing. He gave coughlin 4 years at least. I remember the screams for his head were intense the year before the SB win. |
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Post by jaymas on Dec 1, 2021 8:39:09 GMT -5
Nowhere in that article does it say ownership said "no."
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Post by mendy on Dec 1, 2021 8:42:23 GMT -5
So my mild conspiracy theory about this seems correct. This is why I'm indifferent with the GM spot even though I think this was the most butchered attempt at a complete blow up and rebuild from the foundation I have ever seen in the modern era ...with how many golden opportunities they had to have a dynamic young talented nucleus on both sides of the ball. I've all but conceded that Fredo's next sock puppet is already on staff . Seeing this article confirms people above the coach and probably the GM are dictating terms yeah to many pieces of that puzzle fit.. there's no doubt about it as long as Mara continues to meddle in the business of those he hires this team will never get better. Sorry but to me it's not clear if it was Mara or Gettlemen that wanted Garrett . I get the fact this is hate Mara thread but to me there is to much speculation on the part of the fans and not enough fact . |
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Post by wtfjjk on Dec 1, 2021 8:43:36 GMT -5
Won’t be popular, but Judge gets a pass in my book based on this article. Give him another year John and let him pick his own staff for Christ’s sake. I know it doesn’t prove anything, but the pieces line up too nicely for this to be BS. Kitchens has a former relationship with Judge, and Garrett had one with the Giants. But Garrett is OC and Columbo gets fired quick, and Garrett survives? Coaching an NFL team is incredibly hard, doing it when your staff is forced down your throat makes is even harder. I’ve been pissed with the Mara’s for awhile now, and I’m not a Garrett hater. But this is disgraceful. The Mara’s should be ashamed of themselves. Stop throwing chairs and knocking over garbage cans John, and start kicking your own ass you dumb silver spoon self serving ignorant pin-striped mouth breather. I am still skeptical of Judge (show me, don't tell me) but yeah we never really gave him a chance if he was forced to keep a coach that he clashed with philosophically. Almost have to give him an extension to see what he can do without meddling otherwise he's set up to fail. Looks like he's a victim of that already. My fear is though, he's going to bring in more of his "Saban guys, New England guys", or other guys with connections instead of coaches with proven track records in the NFL. |
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Post by mendy on Dec 1, 2021 8:45:31 GMT -5
but the headset . . . . Mara did this with Coughlin’s staff too. That’s probably what made John think he knows what he’s doing. He gave coughlin 4 years at least. I remember the screams for his head were intense the year before the SB win. So should they have listen to the fans and fired Coughlin before that super bowl season like "all the fans" wanted? |
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Post by cdngfan on Dec 1, 2021 8:50:18 GMT -5
Won’t be popular, but Judge gets a pass in my book based on this article. Give him another year John and let him pick his own staff for Christ’s sake. I know it doesn’t prove anything, but the pieces line up too nicely for this to be BS. Kitchens has a former relationship with Judge, and Garrett had one with the Giants. But Garrett is OC and Columbo gets fired quick, and Garrett survives? Coaching an NFL team is incredibly hard, doing it when your staff is forced down your throat makes is even harder. I’ve been pissed with the Mara’s for awhile now, and I’m not a Garrett hater. But this is disgraceful. The Mara’s should be ashamed of themselves. Stop throwing chairs and knocking over garbage cans John, and start kicking your own ass you dumb silver spoon self serving ignorant pin-striped mouth breather. I am still skeptical of Judge (show me, don't tell me) but yeah we never really gave him a chance if he was forced to keep a coach that he clashed with philosophically. Almost have to give him an extension to see what he can do without meddling otherwise he's set up to fail. Looks like he's a victim of that already. My fear is though, he's going to bring in more of his "Saban guys, New England guys", or other guys with connections instead of coaches with proven track records in the NFL. I’m not even suggesting extending him. He’s on a 4 year deal. Just don’t fire him after 2. He can bring in whomever he wants. At least we’ll be able to evaluate his decisions instead of some weird mix of his and Mara’s. In my eyes 3 years is an acceptable amount of time to evaluate a HC. 2 years is a joke, especially when arguably the most important (DJ, Thomas, SB picks) part of your team is run by someone you didn’t hire. |
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Post by hadenough on Dec 1, 2021 8:56:05 GMT -5
Mara is becoming the worst. Of course it’ll be Abrams or some other Accorsi crony. They are the only guys that will allow John, Chris, and his freakn nephew to continue to pull the strings.
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Post by cdngfan on Dec 1, 2021 8:56:46 GMT -5
That’s probably what made John think he knows what he’s doing. He gave coughlin 4 years at least. I remember the screams for his head were intense the year before the SB win. So should they have listen to the fans and fired Coughlin before that super bowl season like "all the fans" wanted? You should never listen to fans. Ever. We don’t know anything and are completely unaccountable for our opinions. Take the heat for making the decisions you believe are right. Hanging onto Tom was the right decision. But good leadership requires a growth mindset. Where you’re open to considering that you’re not doing a good job. John is probably using those two rings to convince himself that sticking to what you believe in pays off. But he’s ignoring the last 10 years of evidence to the contrary. They teach this stuff in the 1st year of almost any business/management program. That’s what makes it so frustrating to watch the Mara’s F it up so bad. |
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Post by TCHOF on Dec 1, 2021 9:00:36 GMT -5
So should they have listen to the fans and fired Coughlin before that super bowl season like "all the fans" wanted? You should never listen to fans. Ever. We don’t know anything and are completely unaccountable for our opinions. Take the heat for making the decisions you believe are right. Hanging onto Tom was the right decision. But good leadership requires a growth mindset. Where you’re open to considering that you’re not doing a good job. John is probably using those two rings to convince himself that sticking to what you believe in pays off. But he’s ignoring the last 10 years of evidence to the contrary. They teach this stuff in the 1st year of almost any business/management program. That’s what makes it so frustrating to watch the Mara’s F it up so bad. The main 2 pieces of those two SB's - Eli and Coughlin - were put in place before John took over (and if I can recall correctly, John didn't want Coughlin in the first place). John's decision making has been atrocious since he took over the leadership of this team. I actually can't think of one good decision that he has made. |
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Post by te88 on Dec 1, 2021 9:03:00 GMT -5
They’re all idiots.
Judge doesn’t know wtf he is doing in games.
Mara is the meddling dope he has always been. He is a blind squirrel.
None of these guys are part of the solution.
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Post by Rangers13 on Dec 1, 2021 9:03:50 GMT -5
Won’t be popular, but Judge gets a pass in my book based on this article. Give him another year John and let him pick his own staff for Christ’s sake. I know it doesn’t prove anything, but the pieces line up too nicely for this to be BS. Kitchens has a former relationship with Judge, and Garrett had one with the Giants. But Garrett is OC and Columbo gets fired quick, and Garrett survives? Coaching an NFL team is incredibly hard, doing it when your staff is forced down your throat makes is even harder. I’ve been pissed with the Mara’s for awhile now, and I’m not a Garrett hater. But this is disgraceful. The Mara’s should be ashamed of themselves. Stop throwing chairs and knocking over garbage cans John, and start kicking your own ass you dumb silver spoon self serving ignorant pin-striped mouth breather. That’s fair imo. Skeptical of Judge who has a severally depleted and broken roster imo. What is Judge? What is Jones? Barkley? If we added one and other got healthy what would the OL be? Lost Tomlinson so if another DT is added what will the DL be? Who is the good linebacker? How well would the DB’s play if the front 7 were better? Are they good? Lastly, the Diva receivers . . . the modern day want. Do they play? Only thing we know for sure, imo, is Dave Gettleman. A roster so weak that any ding derails a unit. Same story year after year. |
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Post by te88 on Dec 1, 2021 9:04:49 GMT -5
You should never listen to fans. Ever. We don’t know anything and are completely unaccountable for our opinions. Take the heat for making the decisions you believe are right. Hanging onto Tom was the right decision. But good leadership requires a growth mindset. Where you’re open to considering that you’re not doing a good job. John is probably using those two rings to convince himself that sticking to what you believe in pays off. But he’s ignoring the last 10 years of evidence to the contrary. They teach this stuff in the 1st year of almost any business/management program. That’s what makes it so frustrating to watch the Mara’s F it up so bad. The main 2 pieces of those two SB's - Eli and Coughlin - were put in place before John took over (and if I can recall correctly, John didn't want Coughlin in the first place). John's decision making has been atrocious since he took over the leadership of this team. I actually can't think of one good decision that he has made. It was actually Accorsi that was vehemently against hiring Coughlin. But Wellington wanted him so that’s what happened. |
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Post by Rangers13 on Dec 1, 2021 9:10:12 GMT -5
You should never listen to fans. Ever. We don’t know anything and are completely unaccountable for our opinions. Take the heat for making the decisions you believe are right. Hanging onto Tom was the right decision. But good leadership requires a growth mindset. Where you’re open to considering that you’re not doing a good job. John is probably using those two rings to convince himself that sticking to what you believe in pays off. But he’s ignoring the last 10 years of evidence to the contrary. They teach this stuff in the 1st year of almost any business/management program. That’s what makes it so frustrating to watch the Mara’s F it up so bad. The main 2 pieces of those two SB's - Eli and Coughlin - were put in place before John took over (and if I can recall correctly, John didn't want Coughlin in the first place). John's decision making has been atrocious since he took over the leadership of this team. I actually can't think of one good decision that he has made. Yes but the whole DL unit was a huge piece. That was the unit who imo made the Giants the only team which didn’t fear the Patriots. Still stunned and smh they allowed Gettleman to disassemble the DL. He doubles down by never obtaining a pass rusher. Yeah, draft Ojulari recently and hopes. Big deal, reached and hoped on all the potential pass rushers while he already Okwara, JPP, etc and was in position to replenish. Heck, if the OL wasn’t a wreck the Giants could go back to back DE this draft. Of course, we don’t have the cap room for wholesale changes just as Gettleman didn’t have the room when he attempted wholescale changes AND win with Eli. Dumbest GM i’ve ever seen. (and a few here endorse this cr@p as “genius”). Sums them up. |
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