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Post by McCherry on Dec 1, 2021 15:37:44 GMT -5
For real. He was literally signed to be Glennon's back up. Or best case scenario, Jones' back up. or back up to whomever they draft next season.... Honestly, I think this was just a reaction to the possibility that Jones could miss this Sunday. They needed a guy and Fromm was available. I doubt he lasts long here, depending on when Jones is cleared.
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Post by jb456 on Dec 1, 2021 15:44:19 GMT -5
If it's Kap or Cam, stick with Jones. If it's a young QB, let him fight it out with Jones for the starter. A million vet QB's in the league but you choose to mention these two. Why is that? Ask yourself. Ugh, maybe because they were mentioned right above my reply genius. I would have loved to have Cam back in his prime but that was 6 years ago but Kap has been out of the league for 4 or 5 years? You know, you will continue to find what you look for if you have already have made up your mind. Why don't you ask me if I would take Mahomes or Jackson over some washed up has beens and see how that fits into your narrative?
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Post by nick030567 on Dec 1, 2021 15:45:18 GMT -5
I have total confidence that given decent coaching and avg OL play, Jones could absolutely put the offense on his back in the clutch in the playoffs. He can make all the throws. People forget how bad Eli was at times lol. I mean I think Eli was fantastic. But he had a lot of rough games, especially early on. Very inaccurate at times. Looking lost
The coaches definitely gotta hammer Jones on being smarter when he's running. I think he proved his toughness trucking that one DT on the falcons. Now it's time to play it smart and understand that your team needs you every week as a franchise QB. Judge has to understand that too.
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Post by Nite on Dec 1, 2021 15:45:49 GMT -5
Ya never know, see what happens. If he plays maybe he would throw the ball more than 10 yds downfield....
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Post by Blue Hulk on Dec 1, 2021 16:00:04 GMT -5
A million vet QB's in the league but you choose to mention these two. Why is that? Ask yourself. Ugh, maybe because they were mentioned right above my reply genius. I would have loved to have Cam back in his prime but that was 6 years ago but Kap has been out of the league for 4 or 5 years? You know, you will continue to find what you look for if you have already have made up your mind. Why don't you ask me if I would take Mahomes or Jackson over some washed up has beens and see how that fits into your narrative? cmon..it was the first post on page two, I didn't see the previous post as u didn't quote it...My bad. In that context, it seemed random as hell, but my apologies kind sir. I'm not someone who can't admit being wrong.
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Post by TCHOF on Dec 1, 2021 16:04:22 GMT -5
Ugh, maybe because they were mentioned right above my reply genius. I would have loved to have Cam back in his prime but that was 6 years ago but Kap has been out of the league for 4 or 5 years? You know, you will continue to find what you look for if you have already have made up your mind. Why don't you ask me if I would take Mahomes or Jackson over some washed up has beens and see how that fits into your narrative? cmon..it was the first post on page two, I didn't see the previous post as u didn't quote it...My bad. In that context, it seemed random as hell, but my apologies kind sir. I'm not someone who can't admit being wrong. lol Yelling "racist" again without any facts just because someone has the audacity to challenge one of your ridiculous posts. Maybe time to change your screen name again.
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Post by Kruunch on Dec 1, 2021 16:07:53 GMT -5
Ya never know, see what happens. If he plays maybe he would throw the ball more than 10 yds downfield.... No chance he plays. Has to learn a whole playbook in a brief time. The Giants would be doing him and the team a disservice trotting him out there right now. This is nothing more than insurance for Jones.
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Post by jb456 on Dec 1, 2021 16:09:47 GMT -5
Ugh, maybe because they were mentioned right above my reply genius. I would have loved to have Cam back in his prime but that was 6 years ago but Kap has been out of the league for 4 or 5 years? You know, you will continue to find what you look for if you have already have made up your mind. Why don't you ask me if I would take Mahomes or Jackson over some washed up has beens and see how that fits into your narrative? cmon..it was the first post on page two, I didn't see the previous post as u didn't quote it...My bad. In that context, it seemed random as hell, but my apologies kind sir. I'm not someone who can't admit being wrong. Appreciate your reply and have the highest respect for people who can admit a mistake. I myself make lots of them. The point I was trying to make was that I would take ANY young QB that has the potential over QB's that are closer to 40 than 30. The Giants are not a win now team and it if there is a younger Qb with potential, why not try and kick the tires on them.
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Post by GameTime on Dec 1, 2021 18:03:06 GMT -5
not many...and while I think its a decent roster move I think its just that....a roster move. The other thing I was thinking is that DJ will be gone next season and they will need a back up. Maybe Fromm is that guy. What's the point of moving on from Jones if the Giants are going to bring in some old vet with no tread left on his tires? If its a young Qb with the chance to grow with the team, I get it. Have no idea what point the NYGs have been trying to make for the last 10 years...lol
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Post by Bigjeep on Dec 1, 2021 18:06:18 GMT -5
My apologies to the OP. I did not know we signed him, been hard at work this morning and missed all the news. Jake from State farm might give Danny boy a good run Apology excepted!
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Post by ocgiant on Dec 1, 2021 23:50:20 GMT -5
Is his arm weak? Had no idea. Read so much about his personality and this sense of entitlement. Sure hasn't worked out so far. Arrogance humbled? Not weak per se, just atrocious with accuracy. He would miss the ocean, sitting in a boat. Maybe being tossed around like a football will humble him. Done dirty going to Arizona, he always had an attitude... beyond just asking questions. At UCLA you would assess he has a pro level ready arm. He may have been his own worst enemy not sure it he's developed any humility? Is he the back-up in Buffalo? If he has matured it might make sense to bring him in to challenge DJ not sure what the Giants have to lose. Just to need to make sure to do the homework.
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Post by giantlegacy on Dec 1, 2021 23:51:56 GMT -5
What's the point of moving on from Jones if the Giants are going to bring in some old vet with no tread left on his tires? If its a young Qb with the chance to grow with the team, I get it.Ā Have no idea what point the NYGs have been trying to make for the last 10 years...lol Uuurgh Truth
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Post by hogmollies on Dec 2, 2021 0:37:49 GMT -5
not many...and while I think its a decent roster move I think its just that....a roster move. The other thing I was thinking is that DJ will be gone next season and they will need a back up. Maybe Fromm is that guy. What's the point of moving on from Jones if the Giants are going to bring in some old vet with no tread left on his tires? If its a young Qb with the chance to grow with the team, I get it. Tyrod Taylor is not washed up yet an our defense as of now is playoff worthy. We can either choose to compete next year like any competent organization is, or raise the tank flag as soon as week 1 by starting Daniel. Simple
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Post by mendy on Dec 2, 2021 4:31:09 GMT -5
What's the point of moving on from Jones if the Giants are going to bring in some old vet with no tread left on his tires? If its a young Qb with the chance to grow with the team, I get it. Tyrod Taylor is not washed up yet an our defense as of now is playoff worthy. We can either choose to compete next year like any competent organization is, or raise the tank flag as soon as week 1 by starting Daniel. Simple The Giants defense has gotten better but "playoff worthy", no. As for TT I would rather keep Jones, Taylor is a career back up .
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Post by hogmollies on Dec 2, 2021 5:09:06 GMT -5
Tyrod Taylor is not washed up yet an our defense as of now is playoff worthy. We can either choose to compete next year like any competent organization is, or raise the tank flag as soon as week 1 by starting Daniel. Simple The Giants defense has gotten better but "playoff worthy", no. As for TT I would rather keep Jones, Taylor is a career back up . Absolutely playoff worthy. That Chiefs game in primetime was a masterclass, let;'s not forget the injury to Blake and throughout the defense as well. There are at least 3-4 games with a competent QB we win bc of how our defense played. Jones is a career backup too. The difference is Tyrod actually has some leadership ability and knows how to win games. You wanna talk about excuses, I could give a boatload to that Texans offense and yet still he is outplaying DJ.
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Post by snyder55 on Dec 2, 2021 10:50:11 GMT -5
Jones most likely not the future Fromm.....is definitely not the future. He is not here for test drive to be the franchise QB. what you say here is probably true and if so that puts us back to square one at QB, it might be time to bring in an experienced QB off the market next year instead of waiting to see if a draft choice will work out. If we do that it will give us time to draft one and let him develop with out the pressure on him to start right away...
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Post by mendy on Dec 2, 2021 10:52:08 GMT -5
The Giants defense has gotten better but "playoff worthy", no. As for TT I would rather keep Jones, Taylor is a career back up . Absolutely playoff worthy. That Chiefs game in primetime was a masterclass, let;'s not forget the injury to Blake and throughout the defense as well. There are at least 3-4 games with a competent QB we win bc of how our defense played. Jones is a career backup too. The difference is Tyrod actually has some leadership ability and knows how to win games. You wanna talk about excuses, I could give a boatload to that Texans offense and yet still he is outplaying DJ. So the injury to Blake is a legit excuse yet injuries to our Offense are not acceptable and it's all Jones fault ,sorry no .Tyrod Taylor is done , again Jones is a better QB .
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Post by Delicreep on Dec 2, 2021 10:52:18 GMT -5
I am 100% confident that if there are threads about Jake Fromm, we are on the wrong track at QB.
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Post by snyder55 on Dec 2, 2021 10:52:40 GMT -5
one more thing to discuss about a new QB, does the team have the balls to try to sign Deshaun Watson?, if so it would solve the problem completely, some team is going to sign him so why not us....
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Post by Rangers13 on Dec 2, 2021 10:54:53 GMT -5
I am 100% confident that if there are threads about Jake Fromm, we are on the wrong track at QB. lol
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Post by repeatchamps on Dec 2, 2021 10:56:12 GMT -5
Absolutely playoff worthy. That Chiefs game in primetime was a masterclass, let;'s not forget the injury to Blake and throughout the defense as well. There are at least 3-4 games with a competent QB we win bc of how our defense played. Jones is a career backup too. The difference is Tyrod actually has some leadership ability and knows how to win games. You wanna talk about excuses, I could give a boatload to that Texans offense and yet still he is outplaying DJ. So the injury to Blake and several other defensive players (Peppers, now Holmes no Logan because of Covid) is a legit excuse yet injuries to virtually all of our Offensive linemen WR's, RB's, TE's are not acceptable and it's all Jones fault ,sorry no .Tyrod Taylor is done , again Jones is a better QB . Well said. I added in some more specific points of emphasis in bold red.
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Post by Nite on Dec 2, 2021 10:58:01 GMT -5
Ah hell, we just found our Rich Gannon.....okay, maybe not Well ... u never know... Stranger things have happened...However in order for the G-men to be successful Mara has to butt the f** out of football operations
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Post by scoostraw on Dec 2, 2021 11:04:17 GMT -5
So, you are suggesting the Bills sit Allen for Fromm. No. Because Davis Webb is ahead of Fromm on their depth chart. ;)
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Post by Nite on Dec 2, 2021 11:04:41 GMT -5
Interesting move. They may be planning ahead for next year... If DJ continues to think he is a FB instead of a QB then Jake Fromm (state farm) may be a realistic (and cheap) option...
Speaking of QBs that think they are running backs.. I was re-watching Wake Forest Vs NC. Sam Hartman vs Sam Howell.Both are very similar with similar skill sets. Talented qbs that will be drafted but they have one really glaring flaw....And that is the propensity to run and run hard. I saw Howell do his Earl Campbell imitation and it made me cringe. I was thinking that that will not fly in the NFL. Both of them will be crunched. Short careers
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Post by kerryisdaman on Dec 2, 2021 11:25:21 GMT -5
one more thing to discuss about a new QB, does the team have the balls to try to sign Deshaun Watson?, if so it would solve the problem completely, some team is going to sign him so why not us.... Nobody seems in a hurry to get him.
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Post by GameTime on Dec 2, 2021 11:41:36 GMT -5
Jones most likely not the future Fromm.....is definitely not the future. He is not here for test drive to be the franchise QB. what you say here is probably true and if so that puts us back to square one at QB, it might be time to bring in an experienced QB off the market next year instead of waiting to see if a draft choice will work out. If we do that it will give us time to draft one and let him develop with out the pressure on him to start right away... I am so pissed Jones isnt working out so far. I really like most of the kid's game. Unfortunately he has a couple key flaws that may be fatal for him and the NYGs.
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Post by vinnie on Dec 2, 2021 11:44:27 GMT -5
I really donāt care who the starter is next year, weāre not going to the playoffs IMO and there are no good QBās in next years draft. Build up the rest of the team, lose more games like weāre used to, and hopefully get a QB in 2023 with a decent draft pick. To me, next year will be all about building the O line for the future QB, not whoever is the QB at the time.
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Post by vinnie on Dec 2, 2021 11:48:33 GMT -5
Tyrod Taylor is not washed up yet an our defense as of now is playoff worthy. We can either choose to compete next year like any competent organization is, or raise the tank flag as soon as week 1 by starting Daniel. Simple The Giants defense has gotten better but "playoff worthy", no. As for TT I would rather keep Jones, Taylor is a career back up . If you consider improving to the 26th worst as getting better than youāre spot on.
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Post by cdngfan on Dec 2, 2021 11:58:37 GMT -5
I keep hearing Kap or Cam.. I would just as soon stick with DJ next year on his 4th year.Ā Don't see an upgrade with either of those 2, and I think I'm being objective. Completely. Too many fans get into āblind rage hatredā of players/coaches/staff and decide it could never get worse than our current situation. āIt could never get worseā is the thought used by people that canāt define the problem or need to oversimplify a problem to process it. Being objective matters. DJ is not Aaron Rodgers and never will be. Ever. But heās not useless either. His replacement can ABSOLUTELY be worse than him, even if itās a #1 overall drafted QB. I donāt know why fans donāt consider/understand that when they insists we should be replacing him yesterday. I think a new GM will be shopping for a new QB but wonāt say it until he finds an upgrade. But heāll say DJ is our starter and we support him and fans will lose their minds that he didnāt say āDJ sucks and weāre looking for a replacementā. Itās exactly what Getty did. āEli is our starter, we can win with himā. šš He didnāt believe that. Heās not blind. Which is why a year and a few games later we had a new starter.
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Post by cdngfan on Dec 2, 2021 12:06:29 GMT -5
I really donāt care who the starter is next year, weāre not going to the playoffs IMO and there are no good QBās in next years draft. Build up the rest of the team, lose more games like weāre used to, and hopefully get a QB in 2023 with a decent draft pick. To me, next year will be all about building the O line for the future QB, not whoever is the QB at the time. Perfectly said. Fans oversimplify picking a new QB. Mostly because thereās no downside if theyāre wrong. Gettyās fate is tied to SB and DJ. Heās not an idiot. He made moves people hated but turned out to be really smart. Weāre just not nearly good enough after 4 years to justify working with him anymore. The next GM wonāt pick the best QB available in that 30 day window because his fate will be tied to DJās replacement. Heāll pick the QB heās CERTAIN will be better than DJ. He may not be right but he wonāt replace DJ ābecause he had toā. Thatās a stupid way of making decisions. The haters donāt get or consider that.
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