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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2021 13:55:25 GMT -5
....a little change of pace. I was thinking about our owner and his inability to accept that HE is the problem in how he views himself in running this franchise. He's not content to just be the owner, he thinks he is an effective CEO which he isn't imo. So who can effect change. Tisch probably doesn't have contractual rights to force change on JM but with 50/50 owners of businesses of all sizes, the owners can influence how an organization is run. If Tisch had a set of balls, he'd be in Mara's face trying to get through where others haven't. He may have tried but he clearly hasn't been successful at it. Maybe he could organize an intervention. Other than Mara's wife, Tisch is our best hope for getting through JM's thick skull and world class ego. Uh…maybe because Tisch could be just as bad as Mara? |
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Post by Jomo on Dec 3, 2021 13:59:07 GMT -5
....a little change of pace. I was thinking about our owner and his inability to accept that HE is the problem in how he views himself in running this franchise. He's not content to just be the owner, he thinks he is an effective CEO which he isn't imo. So who can effect change. Tisch probably doesn't have contractual rights to force change on JM but with 50/50 owners of businesses of all sizes, the owners can influence how an organization is run. If Tisch had a set of balls, he'd be in Mara's face trying to get through where others haven't. He may have tried but he clearly hasn't been successful at it. Maybe he could organize an intervention. Other than Mara's wife, Tisch is our best hope for getting through JM's thick skull and world class ego. Uh…maybe because Tisch could be just as bad as Mara? Oh boy, two minds thinking as one. I never considered that one. |
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Post by Martin on Dec 3, 2021 14:21:35 GMT -5
Winning makes him more money for sure but the path of getting there for him maybe to tiresome and difficult to expend the effort. He has so many other ventures that he controls alone that he lets the Giants business go its course and let's not forget that even though the Giants are terrible they still fill lots of seats. I am not sure Tisch is soft but more like he picks his battles risk vs reward and time management. Baby sitting the Giants is a full time job with Mara at the helm making his stupid decisions at many levels. Mara is like a brain damaged Don Corleone. Yes, that almost defines "soft". You know me Martin, I try to be thought provoking more than being perfect from every angle. I just got to thinking, who in this leadership dynamic has a prayer of getting JM's attention and conceivably promote change.I realize it is a pipe dream but that whole pride thing keeps coming back to me. There are plenty of people who have no pride in what they do, but many people don't want to be the butt of jokes around their chosen work. Jomo the only person of significance is Tisch but he has lots of ventures going on and I don't think he is gonna tell JM that he has to fire his brother and cousin! Which of course is what's needed. There needs to be a house cleaning in Giants land but I'm not sure it's gonna happen. Your right a pipe dream for sure and yes for us fans very frustrating. I could guarantee that if they gave me and you full control in one month we change the dynamics of this team for the good. We would not let personal feelings get involved. It would be all business down to the hotdog guy. I am sure the scouting department is a hot mess and God knows what we would find digging deep. It would be a forensic audit. Also do we need to have the most coaches in the NFL on the sidelines to lose? It seems more is not better. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2021 15:05:37 GMT -5
Yes, that almost defines "soft". You know me Martin, I try to be thought provoking more than being perfect from every angle. I just got to thinking, who in this leadership dynamic has a prayer of getting JM's attention and conceivably promote change.I realize it is a pipe dream but that whole pride thing keeps coming back to me. There are plenty of people who have no pride in what they do, but many people don't want to be the butt of jokes around their chosen work. Jomo the only person of significance is Tisch but he has lots of ventures going on and I don't think he is gonna tell JM that he has to fire his brother and cousin! Which of course is what's needed. There needs to be a house cleaning in Giants land but I'm not sure it's gonna happen. Your right a pipe dream for sure and yes for us fans very frustrating. I could guarantee that if they gave me and you full control in one month we change the dynamics of this team for the good. We would not let personal feelings get involved. It would be all business down to the hotdog guy. I am sure the scouting department is a hot mess and God knows what we would find digging deep. It would be a forensic audit. Also do we need to have the most coaches in the NFL on the sidelines to lose? It seems more is not better. This scouting has been atrocious for a while. But, they ain’t going to do shit about nothing. We’ll just have to wait 10 more years until our next championship, that’s all. |
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Post by FundamentallySoundJones on Dec 3, 2021 15:06:04 GMT -5
seems quite a few in the org are soft these days, maybe spike the Gatorade with viagra ...
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Post by Martin on Dec 3, 2021 15:28:01 GMT -5
Jomo the only person of significance is Tisch but he has lots of ventures going on and I don't think he is gonna tell JM that he has to fire his brother and cousin! Which of course is what's needed. There needs to be a house cleaning in Giants land but I'm not sure it's gonna happen. Your right a pipe dream for sure and yes for us fans very frustrating. I could guarantee that if they gave me and you full control in one month we change the dynamics of this team for the good. We would not let personal feelings get involved. It would be all business down to the hotdog guy. I am sure the scouting department is a hot mess and God knows what we would find digging deep. It would be a forensic audit. Also do we need to have the most coaches in the NFL on the sidelines to lose? It seems more is not better. This scouting has been atrocious for a while. But, they ain’t going to do shit about nothing. We’ll just have to wait 10 more years until our next championship, that’s all. Which is why it could be a long time for anything good to happen. They can't evaluate talent well. 10 years wow your being optimistic!  |
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Post by cdngfan on Dec 3, 2021 15:42:01 GMT -5
We don’t know if Tisch had sufficient control to wield a big enough stick.
Shareholder/partnership agreements are very specific about this stuff.
Point is, prior to the “Eli incident” there wasn’t much spotlight on the owners’ influence on our lack of success.
While I don’t think enough fans focus their rage on the Mara’s, it’s certainly part of the conversation now.
And the more fans talk about it, the more media content we’ll see pop up.
That’s all good progress. But like all progress, it’s never fast enough
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Post by Roswell on Dec 3, 2021 15:53:55 GMT -5
Tisch might have PR input but I doubt he bothers with the day to day runnings of the team.
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Post by FundamentallySoundJones on Dec 3, 2021 16:12:18 GMT -5
We don’t know if Tisch had sufficient control to wield a big enough stick. Shareholder/partnership agreements are very specific about this stuff. Point is, prior to the “Eli incident” there wasn’t much spotlight on the owners’ influence on our lack of success. While I don’t think enough fans focus their rage on the Mara’s, it’s certainly part of the conversation now. And the more fans talk about it, the more media content we’ll see pop up. That’s all good progress. But like all progress, it’s never fast enough I see what you did there  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2021 16:30:54 GMT -5
We don’t know if Tisch had sufficient control to wield a big enough stick. Shareholder/partnership agreements are very specific about this stuff. Point is, prior to the “Eli incident” there wasn’t much spotlight on the owners’ influence on our lack of success. While I don’t think enough fans focus their rage on the Mara’s, it’s certainly part of the conversation now. And the more fans talk about it, the more media content we’ll see pop up. That’s all good progress. But like all progress, it’s never fast enough I see what you did there 🎵Too much…🎵 |
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Post by Jomo on Dec 3, 2021 16:36:07 GMT -5
Yes, that almost defines "soft". You know me Martin, I try to be thought provoking more than being perfect from every angle. I just got to thinking, who in this leadership dynamic has a prayer of getting JM's attention and conceivably promote change.I realize it is a pipe dream but that whole pride thing keeps coming back to me. There are plenty of people who have no pride in what they do, but many people don't want to be the butt of jokes around their chosen work. Jomo the only person of significance is Tisch but he has lots of ventures going on and I don't think he is gonna tell JM that he has to fire his brother and cousin! Which of course is what's needed. There needs to be a house cleaning in Giants land but I'm not sure it's gonna happen. Your right a pipe dream for sure and yes for us fans very frustrating. I could guarantee that if they gave me and you full control in one month we change the dynamics of this team for the good. We would not let personal feelings get involved. It would be all business down to the hotdog guy. I am sure the scouting department is a hot mess and God knows what we would find digging deep. It would be a forensic audit. Also do we need to have the most coaches in the NFL on the sidelines to lose? It seems more is not better. Yes, yes to all of that. Just musing on a Friday and wondering what might have impact. The "soft" thing was to grab attention. I was just fishing around for an out of the box idea that might get the "CEO's" attention. Maybe we could enlist Mrs John Mara? Here's the line we feed her: "Hey John, would you grow a pair, clean house and turn this thing over to someone who knows how to run a football team?"  |
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Post by Martin on Dec 3, 2021 16:53:47 GMT -5
Tisch might have PR input but I doubt he bothers with the day to day runnings of the team. yep he can't micro manage a football team but I'm sure he has some responsibilities. No matter what he laughs all the way to the banks. Go Rangers!! opps I mean Giants!!! |
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Post by lt56 on Dec 3, 2021 17:02:01 GMT -5
I don't think Steve Tisch is a football guy like that which honestly is what we need, for ownership to Hand Over the Keys and get the hell out of the way
players LOVE Tisch though, fans seem to like him more as well when he does show up to Metlife and is on the field before the game, he has a great reputation with players
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Post by giantlegacy on Dec 3, 2021 17:08:38 GMT -5
I don't think Steve Tisch is a football guy like that which honestly is what we need, for ownership to Hand Over the Keys and get the hell out of the way players LOVE Tisch though, fans seem to like him more a well when he does show up to Metlife and is on the field before the game, he has a great reputation with players Exactly You don't see 2 Tischs in very important positions in our front office dealing with player personnel... Get out of the way and let the football people run the team |
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Post by te88 on Dec 3, 2021 17:09:08 GMT -5
The only thing he can really do is go in media and criticize the way the team is being run.
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Post by snyder55 on Dec 3, 2021 17:12:54 GMT -5
as long as the profits are still good I doubt we'll see anything change. I agree 100%. Other than covid ravaged 2020, their revenue has increased every year. Losing has not affected their bottom line at all. I had a debate about this fact with another poster a few weeks ago. I posted the proof and that ended the discussion. Regardless of their tactics (Steve is hands off and the Maras are hands on), they are businessmen before they are anything else. I'm sure that they care about winning, but making money is more important. Like you said, there isn't any financial incentive for them to change when they keep on making so much jack. JerryJones was quoted as saying "surely fans wouldn't mind paying nine dollars for a beer at the stadium" well I would but maybe if I had his money it wouldn't bother me.  |
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Post by McCherry on Dec 3, 2021 17:14:39 GMT -5
What Billionaire isn't?
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Post by snyder55 on Dec 3, 2021 17:15:43 GMT -5
Jomo the only person of significance is Tisch but he has lots of ventures going on and I don't think he is gonna tell JM that he has to fire his brother and cousin! Which of course is what's needed. There needs to be a house cleaning in Giants land but I'm not sure it's gonna happen. Your right a pipe dream for sure and yes for us fans very frustrating. I could guarantee that if they gave me and you full control in one month we change the dynamics of this team for the good. We would not let personal feelings get involved. It would be all business down to the hotdog guy. I am sure the scouting department is a hot mess and God knows what we would find digging deep. It would be a forensic audit. Also do we need to have the most coaches in the NFL on the sidelines to lose? It seems more is not better. Yes, yes to all of that. Just musing on a Friday and wondering what might have impact. The "soft" thing was to grab attention. I was just fishing around for an out of the box idea that might get the "CEO's" attention. Maybe we could enlist Mrs John Mara? Here's the line we feed her: "Hey John, would you grow a pair, clean house and turn this thing over to someone who knows how to run a football team?" I think the Giants could use my wife to run things, she does pretty good around here, very efficient lady.. |
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Post by babybulls on Dec 3, 2021 17:21:12 GMT -5
Yes, yes to all of that. Just musing on a Friday and wondering what might have impact. The "soft" thing was to grab attention. I was just fishing around for an out of the box idea that might get the "CEO's" attention. Maybe we could enlist Mrs John Mara? Here's the line we feed her: "Hey John, would you grow a pair, clean house and turn this thing over to someone who knows how to run a football team?" I think the Giants could use my wife to run things, she does pretty good around here, very efficient lady.. Is she from JC too and did she also go to Snyder? That would explain it. 🙃 |
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Post by snyder55 on Dec 3, 2021 17:24:22 GMT -5
I think the Giants could use my wife to run things, she does pretty good around here, very efficient lady.. Is she from JC too and did she also go to Snyder? That would explain it. 🙃 yes she did go to Snyder, we were freshman in the same class and have been together ever since and I am a grandfather now... |
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Post by babybulls on Dec 3, 2021 17:33:13 GMT -5
Is she from JC too and did she also go to Snyder? That would explain it. 🙃 yes she did go to Snyder, we were freshman in the same class and have been together ever since and I am a grandfather now... Congrats on being a grandfather. I may not get there since my kids seem to be a number of years away from that decision. Snyder class 1969 here. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2021 17:44:24 GMT -5
Jomo the only person of significance is Tisch but he has lots of ventures going on and I don't think he is gonna tell JM that he has to fire his brother and cousin! Which of course is what's needed. There needs to be a house cleaning in Giants land but I'm not sure it's gonna happen. Your right a pipe dream for sure and yes for us fans very frustrating. I could guarantee that if they gave me and you full control in one month we change the dynamics of this team for the good. We would not let personal feelings get involved. It would be all business down to the hotdog guy. I am sure the scouting department is a hot mess and God knows what we would find digging deep. It would be a forensic audit. Also do we need to have the most coaches in the NFL on the sidelines to lose? It seems more is not better. Yes, yes to all of that. Just musing on a Friday and wondering what might have impact. The "soft" thing was to grab attention. I was just fishing around for an out of the box idea that might get the "CEO's" attention. Maybe we could enlist Mrs John Mara? Here's the line we feed her: "Hey John, would you grow a pair, clean house and turn this thing over to someone who knows how to run a football team?" Yeah…careful with that word “soft.” It tends to be be a rebel rouser around here. |
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Post by Kase1 on Dec 3, 2021 19:42:22 GMT -5
Stadium was packed last Sunday mostly with Giants fans, according to reports. The Giants will never lose money. The Giants could go 0-17 and they would STILL make more money than they did in the prior year. That's what the trends tell us. Yea because we will show up just to voice our disapproval. I wonder what the stadium would have looked like if they WERENT retiring Stray's #?? |
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Post by Kase1 on Dec 3, 2021 19:45:06 GMT -5
seems quite a few in the org are soft these days, maybe spike the Gatorade with viagra ... Jeez I'd feel bad for Price if that's the case... Hopefully DJ would take all of his Snaps from the gun |
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Post by mendy on Dec 3, 2021 19:46:07 GMT -5
It was reported some years ago that the Tiches didn’t want Chris Mara as GM cause they knew at some point they’d have to fire him. Well, with Chris Mara and the nephew as the top 2 in the scouting department. It doesn’t appear the Tischs have a ton of say. Now they have to fire 2 Maras. Don't recall that ,any of it. |
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Post by mendy on Dec 3, 2021 19:47:36 GMT -5
Uh…maybe because Tisch could be just as bad as Mara? Oh boy, two minds thinking as one. I never considered that one. It's not news . |
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Post by mendy on Dec 3, 2021 19:56:57 GMT -5
I don't think Steve Tisch is a football guy like that which honestly is what we need, for ownership to Hand Over the Keys and get the hell out of the way players LOVE Tisch though, fans seem to like him more a well when he does show up to Metlife and is on the field before the game, he has a great reputation with players Exactly You don't see 2 Tischs in very important positions in our front office dealing with player personnel... Get out of the way and let the football people run the team Well there is .......... Jonathan Tisch Treasurer Charles Tisch Football Operations |
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Post by DandyDon on Dec 3, 2021 19:58:58 GMT -5
I think the giants are just an investment for the tisch family. Preston paid 75 million in 1991 for something that’s worth 2.4 billion now. I don’t think Steve gives a hoot outside of the return. John cares. It’s his and his family’s legacy. I don’t think he’s in his ivory tower only concerned with the dollar signs. He wants the team to win and for the giants to be a flagship organization. He’s just bad at it. Long post short, tisch ain’t coming to save us from John. They all care to an extent. Not about the customers (everyone here) but among their friends. JM is embarrassed among his peers. I truely believe John Mara is pissed off. Not because he thinks anyone won't watch the game this weekend, or buy the silly PSLs next year. Regardless of our record, it's never going to affect their bottom line much in the NY metro area. He's embarrassed in the media and among his social circle. |
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Post by mendy on Dec 3, 2021 20:11:09 GMT -5
I think the giants are just an investment for the tisch family. Preston paid 75 million in 1991 for something that’s worth 2.4 billion now. I don’t think Steve gives a hoot outside of the return. John cares. It’s his and his family’s legacy. I don’t think he’s in his ivory tower only concerned with the dollar signs. He wants the team to win and for the giants to be a flagship organization. He’s just bad at it. Long post short, tisch ain’t coming to save us from John. They all care to an extent. Not about the customers (everyone here) but among their friends. JM is embarrassed among his peers. I truely believe John Mara is pissed off. Not because he thinks anyone won't watch the game this weekend, or buy the silly PSLs next year. Regardless of our record, it's never going to affect their bottom line much in the NY metro area. He's embarrassed in the media and among his social circle. Of course he is mad they're not winning as far as PSL's twenty teams in the NFL have them . |
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Post by giantlegacy on Dec 3, 2021 20:29:00 GMT -5
They all care to an extent. Not about the customers (everyone here) but among their friends. JM is embarrassed among his peers. I truely believe John Mara is pissed off. Not because he thinks anyone won't watch the game this weekend, or buy the silly PSLs next year. Regardless of our record, it's never going to affect their bottom line much in the NY metro area. He's embarrassed in the media and among his social circle. Of course he is mad they're not winning as far as PSL's twenty teams in the NFL have them . Dallas has by far the worst PSL situation in the league... One of Jerruh's billionaire friends had to buy like 16,000 himself so the games wouldn't be blacked out every week This guy market's all his seats to out of town fans for Vaca type packages It's why they have more opposing team's fans at that stadium than any other home field every game |
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