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Post by Jomo on Dec 3, 2021 8:31:48 GMT -5
....a little change of pace.
I was thinking about our owner and his inability to accept that HE is the problem in how he views himself in running this franchise. He's not content to just be the owner, he thinks he is an effective CEO which he isn't imo.
So who can effect change. Tisch probably doesn't have contractual rights to force change on JM but with 50/50 owners of businesses of all sizes, the owners can influence how an organization is run.
If Tisch had a set of balls, he'd be in Mara's face trying to get through where others haven't.
He may have tried but he clearly hasn't been successful at it.
Maybe he could organize an intervention. Other than Mara's wife, Tisch is our best hope for getting through JM's thick skull and world class ego.
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Post by coughlinscorner on Dec 3, 2021 8:36:03 GMT -5
....a little change of pace. I was thinking about our owner and his inability to accept that HE is the problem in how he views himself in running this franchise. He's not content to just be the owner, he thinks he is an effective CEO which he isn't imo. So who can effect change. Tisch probably doesn't have contractual rights to force change on JM but with 50/50 owners of businesses of all sizes, the owners can influence how an organization is run. If Tisch had a set of balls, he'd be in Mara's face trying to get through where others haven't. He may have tried but he clearly hasn't been successful at it. Maybe he could organize an intervention. Other than Mara's wife, Tisch is our best hope for getting through JM's thick skull and world class ego. Steve Tisch the businessman judges his investments based on profitability. Given that criteria, he is not likely to intervene in a profitable partnership that has been ongoing in his family for 30 years. Everything you said from a fans perspective makes perfect sense. Steve Tisch is not a fan who's day to day life is affected by whether the Giants win or not.
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Post by giantlegacy on Dec 3, 2021 8:36:19 GMT -5
He is powerless unless he says what's on his mind publicly...which would cause insane drama that accomplished nothing in the long term other than cause animosity
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Post by hadenough on Dec 3, 2021 8:42:23 GMT -5
It was reported some years ago that the Tiches didn’t want Chris Mara as GM cause they knew at some point they’d have to fire him. Well, with Chris Mara and the nephew as the top 2 in the scouting department. It doesn’t appear the Tischs have a ton of say. Now they have to fire 2 Maras.
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Post by lasion2 on Dec 3, 2021 8:43:28 GMT -5
I think the giants are just an investment for the tisch family. Preston paid 75 million in 1991 for something that’s worth 2.4 billion now. I don’t think Steve gives a hoot outside of the return.
John cares. It’s his and his family’s legacy. I don’t think he’s in his ivory tower only concerned with the dollar signs. He wants the team to win and for the giants to be a flagship organization. He’s just bad at it.
Long post short, tisch ain’t coming to save us from John.
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Post by giantlegacy on Dec 3, 2021 8:44:05 GMT -5
It was reported some years ago that the Tiches didn’t want Chris Mara as GM cause they knew at some point they’d have to fire him. Well, with Chris Mara and the nephew as the top 2 in the scouting department. It doesn’t appear the Tischs have a ton of say. Now they have to fire 2 Maras. Yep
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Post by Nite on Dec 3, 2021 9:14:36 GMT -5
Tisch gets the income stream and the cred of being a Giants owner. Why would he mess with that?
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Post by giantlegacy on Dec 3, 2021 9:21:36 GMT -5
Tisch gets the income stream and the cred of being a Giants owner. Why would he mess with that? Yep Kinda wish Mara was like this and let actual football people who understand the current era we are in to run the franchise
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Post by wtfjjk on Dec 3, 2021 10:02:34 GMT -5
So disappointed in Tisch. Looks like a bulldog but soft as a puppy.
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Post by Jomo on Dec 3, 2021 10:03:16 GMT -5
....a little change of pace. I was thinking about our owner and his inability to accept that HE is the problem in how he views himself in running this franchise. He's not content to just be the owner, he thinks he is an effective CEO which he isn't imo. So who can effect change. Tisch probably doesn't have contractual rights to force change on JM but with 50/50 owners of businesses of all sizes, the owners can influence how an organization is run. If Tisch had a set of balls, he'd be in Mara's face trying to get through where others haven't. He may have tried but he clearly hasn't been successful at it. Maybe he could organize an intervention. Other than Mara's wife, Tisch is our best hope for getting through JM's thick skull and world class ego. Steve Tisch the businessman judges his investments based on profitability. Given that criteria, he is not likely to intervene in a profitable partnership that has been ongoing in his family for 30 years. Everything you said from a fans perspective makes perfect sense. Steve Tisch is not a fan who's day to day life is affected by whether the Giants win or not. You are correct regarding Tisch's perspective but my view is that this team can be even more profitable and successful with the proper vision and leadership. Do you think that merchandise sales are being optimized with a record like ours? Wouldn't it be nice to pull down some playoff dollars once in a while? Why do we need the most coaches in the league for a franchise with one of the worst records? Slash 10 of those positions and bank the savings. Etc
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Post by Jomo on Dec 3, 2021 10:04:47 GMT -5
No billionaire likes to be the butt of jokes at Park Avenue cocktail parties. Most people prefer to be PROUD of what they own.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Dec 3, 2021 10:04:54 GMT -5
....a little change of pace. I was thinking about our owner and his inability to accept that HE is the problem in how he views himself in running this franchise. He's not content to just be the owner, he thinks he is an effective CEO which he isn't imo. So who can effect change. Tisch probably doesn't have contractual rights to force change on JM but with 50/50 owners of businesses of all sizes, the owners can influence how an organization is run. If Tisch had a set of balls, he'd be in Mara's face trying to get through where others haven't. He may have tried but he clearly hasn't been successful at it. Maybe he could organize an intervention. Other than Mara's wife, Tisch is our best hope for getting through JM's thick skull and world class ego. Leave Tisch wherever he is. the less he has to do with this team the better. What in the world makes you think he knows anything that would help this team improve ? Have you heard this guys interviews ? His family bought the Giants for prestige and ego not to make money. Sure he wants a winner for his ego but football is just another avenue for his family to improve their wealth. The Mara family has football running through their blood. Even if they meddle and don't know as much as they think they do. Their heritage is their life line.
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Post by snyder55 on Dec 3, 2021 10:07:36 GMT -5
....a little change of pace. I was thinking about our owner and his inability to accept that HE is the problem in how he views himself in running this franchise. He's not content to just be the owner, he thinks he is an effective CEO which he isn't imo. So who can effect change. Tisch probably doesn't have contractual rights to force change on JM but with 50/50 owners of businesses of all sizes, the owners can influence how an organization is run. If Tisch had a set of balls, he'd be in Mara's face trying to get through where others haven't. He may have tried but he clearly hasn't been successful at it. Maybe he could organize an intervention. Other than Mara's wife, Tisch is our best hope for getting through JM's thick skull and world class ego. as long as the profits are still good I doubt we'll see anything change.
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Post by FBomb on Dec 3, 2021 10:09:40 GMT -5
Soft has been this team's identity for a while now.
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Post by snyder55 on Dec 3, 2021 10:09:54 GMT -5
Tisch gets the income stream and the cred of being a Giants owner. Why would he mess with that? Yep Kinda wish Mara was like this and let actual football people who understand the current era we are in to run the franchise I doubt if his ego would allow him to do that..
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Post by SG88 on Dec 3, 2021 10:17:35 GMT -5
....a little change of pace. I was thinking about our owner and his inability to accept that HE is the problem in how he views himself in running this franchise. He's not content to just be the owner, he thinks he is an effective CEO which he isn't imo. So who can effect change. Tisch probably doesn't have contractual rights to force change on JM but with 50/50 owners of businesses of all sizes, the owners can influence how an organization is run. If Tisch had a set of balls, he'd be in Mara's face trying to get through where others haven't. He may have tried but he clearly hasn't been successful at it. Maybe he could organize an intervention. Other than Mara's wife, Tisch is our best hope for getting through JM's thick skull and world class ego. as long as the profits are still good I doubt we'll see anything change. I agree 100%. Other than covid ravaged 2020, their revenue has increased every year. Losing has not affected their bottom line at all. I had a debate about this fact with another poster a few weeks ago. I posted the proof and that ended the discussion. Regardless of their tactics (Steve is hands off and the Maras are hands on), they are businessmen before they are anything else. I'm sure that they care about winning, but making money is more important. Like you said, there isn't any financial incentive for them to change when they keep on making so much jack.
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Post by McCherry on Dec 3, 2021 10:20:30 GMT -5
as long as the profits are still good I doubt we'll see anything change. I agree 100%. Other than covid ravaged 2020, their revenue has increased every year. Losing has not affected their bottom line at all. I had a debate about this fact with another poster a few weeks ago. I posted the proof and that ended the discussion. Regardless of their tactics (Steve is hands off and the Maras are hands on), they are businessmen before they are anything else. I'm sure that they care about winning, but making money is more important. Like you said, there isn't any financial incentive for them to change when they keep on making so much jack. Stadium was packed last Sunday mostly with Giants fans, according to reports. The Giants will never lose money.
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Post by SG88 on Dec 3, 2021 10:23:39 GMT -5
I agree 100%. Other than covid ravaged 2020, their revenue has increased every year. Losing has not affected their bottom line at all. I had a debate about this fact with another poster a few weeks ago. I posted the proof and that ended the discussion. Regardless of their tactics (Steve is hands off and the Maras are hands on), they are businessmen before they are anything else. I'm sure that they care about winning, but making money is more important. Like you said, there isn't any financial incentive for them to change when they keep on making so much jack. Stadium was packed last Sunday mostly with Giants fans, according to reports. The Giants will never lose money. The Giants could go 0-17 and they would STILL make more money than they did in the prior year. That's what the trends tell us.
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Post by Rangers13 on Dec 3, 2021 10:34:02 GMT -5
I don’t think Tisch cares. He’ll get excited and grandstand if the team wins, otherwise, he has other interests is my guess.
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Post by Kruunch on Dec 3, 2021 10:41:48 GMT -5
Tisch is too busy rubbing elbows with the Hollyweird elites to know what’s going on with his other business. The man is worth double of what Mara is worth, and knows even less about the game of football. If he has any balls, I’m sure they’re knee deep in some director or actor. Football is just one of his many businesses. As long as when he’s looking over the books and he’s in the positives, he’s happy. I’m sure if asked what does he think of the team, he’ll say they’re playing great. And looks forward to when Plaxico Burress catches some touchdowns. If John and Steve put their heads together, they can make an ass out of themselves.
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Post by Fletch842 on Dec 3, 2021 10:50:21 GMT -5
Stadium was packed last Sunday mostly with Giants fans, according to reports. The Giants will never lose money. The Giants could go 0-17 and they would STILL make more money than they did in the prior year. That's what the trends tell us. but winning and making the playoffs they make a lot more money. Both ticket revenue (playoffs have far lower overhead with no player salaries) ,and merch sales go up significantly.
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Post by SG88 on Dec 3, 2021 10:55:24 GMT -5
The Giants could go 0-17 and they would STILL make more money than they did in the prior year. That's what the trends tell us. but winning and making the playoffs they make a lot more money. Both ticket revenue (playoffs have far lower overhead with no player salaries) ,and merch sales go up significantly. Of course that is true. There is more money to be made by a playoff run. That is an extra game or two. My point is that losing has not and will not cause them to lose money. Why would they change their tactics when the money has been unaffected by their losing?
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Post by Rangers13 on Dec 3, 2021 11:05:17 GMT -5
The Giants could go 0-17 and they would STILL make more money than they did in the prior year. That's what the trends tell us. but winning and making the playoffs they make a lot more money. Both ticket revenue (playoffs have far lower overhead with no player salaries) ,and merch sales go up significantly. I don’t how the revenues work come playoff time. There is so much profit sharing it seems everybody makes out well. As far as the Giants and ticket revenue, unless the Giants get a piece of an away games they’ve really only had two home playoff games since 2007. Right? They lost to the Eagles after Plax shot himself and beat Atlanta. Besides that, all the games were on the road. Merchandise, yeah i can see that.
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Post by Martin on Dec 3, 2021 11:08:46 GMT -5
Tisch gets the income stream and the cred of being a Giants owner. Why would he mess with that? yes! There is no reason for him to upset the cash cow the Giants have. Tisch isn't going to cross that line. You may hear a blurb every now and then from him but he won't clash with the Mara syndicate.
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Post by myronguyton29 on Dec 3, 2021 11:10:12 GMT -5
I agree 100%. Other than covid ravaged 2020, their revenue has increased every year. Losing has not affected their bottom line at all. I had a debate about this fact with another poster a few weeks ago. I posted the proof and that ended the discussion. Regardless of their tactics (Steve is hands off and the Maras are hands on), they are businessmen before they are anything else. I'm sure that they care about winning, but making money is more important. Like you said, there isn't any financial incentive for them to change when they keep on making so much jack. Stadium was packed last Sunday mostly with Giants fans, according to reports. The Giants will never lose money. smdh bunch of jacks..............
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Post by Rangers13 on Dec 3, 2021 11:31:01 GMT -5
Stadium was packed last Sunday mostly with Giants fans, according to reports. The Giants will never lose money. smdh bunch of jacks.............. 1pm game and the fans get the tickets at a significant discounted rate online. They spend most of the game with heads buried in their phones.
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Post by Jomo on Dec 3, 2021 11:40:52 GMT -5
Tisch gets the income stream and the cred of being a Giants owner. Why would he mess with that? yes! There is no reason for him to upset the cash cow the Giants have. Tisch isn't going to cross that line. You may hear a blurb every now and then from him but he won't clash with the Mara syndicate. Which is exactly why I asked the question about whether he's soft. Has he no pride in what he owns? His friends smirking or good natured ribbing doesn't bother him? There is a path to more money if they become a winning organization again. Merchandise sales will jump, playofff and SB money is not chump change and they can get rid of all those excess coached JM hired in the off season. We don't need the most coaches in the league if they can't deliver a result better than this.
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Post by Martin on Dec 3, 2021 12:40:22 GMT -5
yes! There is no reason for him to upset the cash cow the Giants have. Tisch isn't going to cross that line. You may hear a blurb every now and then from him but he won't clash with the Mara syndicate. Which is exactly why I asked the question about whether he's soft. Has he no pride in what he owns? His friends smirking or good natured ribbing doesn't bother him? There is a path to more money if they become a winning organization again.Merchandise sales will jump, playofff and SB money is not chump change and they can get rid of all those excess coached JM hired in the off season. We don't need the most coaches in the league if they can't deliver a result better than this. Winning makes him more money for sure but the path of getting there for him maybe to tiresome and difficult to expend the effort. He has so many other ventures that he controls alone that he lets the Giants business go its course and let's not forget that even though the Giants are terrible they still fill lots of seats. I am not sure Tisch is soft but more like he picks his battles risk vs reward and time management. Baby sitting the Giants is a full time job with Mara at the helm making his stupid decisions at many levels. Mara is like a brain damaged Don Corleone.
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Post by Kruunch on Dec 3, 2021 12:58:34 GMT -5
The Giants could go 0-17 and they would STILL make more money than they did in the prior year. That's what the trends tell us. but winning and making the playoffs they make a lot more money. Both ticket revenue (playoffs have far lower overhead with no player salaries) ,and merch sales go up significantly. You’re talking about billionaires. Extra revenue for these guys is like you and I finding change on the street. Professional sports is the only business where the production doesn’t affect the returns. The Lions are an embarrassment of epic proportions. And I’m sure the Ford family isn’t being hurt by that one bit in the pocket.
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Post by Jomo on Dec 3, 2021 13:51:41 GMT -5
Which is exactly why I asked the question about whether he's soft. Has he no pride in what he owns? His friends smirking or good natured ribbing doesn't bother him? There is a path to more money if they become a winning organization again.Merchandise sales will jump, playofff and SB money is not chump change and they can get rid of all those excess coached JM hired in the off season. We don't need the most coaches in the league if they can't deliver a result better than this. Winning makes him more money for sure but the path of getting there for him maybe to tiresome and difficult to expend the effort. He has so many other ventures that he controls alone that he lets the Giants business go its course and let's not forget that even though the Giants are terrible they still fill lots of seats. I am not sure Tisch is soft but more like he picks his battles risk vs reward and time management. Baby sitting the Giants is a full time job with Mara at the helm making his stupid decisions at many levels. Mara is like a brain damaged Don Corleone. Yes, that almost defines "soft". You know me Martin, I try to be thought provoking more than being perfect from every angle. I just got to thinking, who in this leadership dynamic has a prayer of getting JM's attention and conceivably promote change. I realize it is a pipe dream but that whole pride thing keeps coming back to me. There are plenty of people who have no pride in what they do, but many people don't want to be the butt of jokes around their chosen work.
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