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Post by giantstepz on Dec 5, 2021 16:39:39 GMT -5
So far this season the Wide Receiver group has scored 4 measly touchdowns. I would not have imagined this group to be so pathetic.Since I cannot watch the games in Missouri, do you blame the coaches' scheme, the O line, the QB or the many injuries? All of the above?
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Post by giantlegacy on Dec 5, 2021 16:46:07 GMT -5
So far this season the Wide Receiver group has scored 4 measly touchdowns. I would not have imagined this group to be so pathetic.Since I cannot watch the games in Missouri, do you blame the coaches' scheme, the O line, the QB or the many injuries? All of the above? 1.Injuries 2.Up until last week coaches scheme/playcalling...unfortunately due to reason 1 its going to be hard to evaluate this though I see major improvement witb route concepts already... 3.O line castration ability for a regular deep passing attack |
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Post by giants8493 on Dec 5, 2021 16:46:18 GMT -5
Definitely all is the above. I'm a little hesitant to blame Jones because he did throw a bunch of tds rookie year under shurmer and with a replacement level qb in Glennon the offense looked significantly worse to the point I was mad that they were calling so many pass plays... But still there does need to be at least some blame on the qb. Not to be confused, Jones does still deserve blame but that is why I'm blaming the coaching more then him at this time.
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Post by fishinthesalt on Dec 5, 2021 16:48:33 GMT -5
Man that's an ugly stat. Not even mad anymore. Embarrassing from Mara on down to water boy.
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Post by kerryisdaman on Dec 5, 2021 17:10:58 GMT -5
A lot of WR tds do not come on passes thrown in the endzone. They come on passes completed outside the endzone and then run in. Problem is we have had very few plays this season with yards after the catch.
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Post by giantlegacy on Dec 5, 2021 17:12:13 GMT -5
A lot of WR tds do not come on passes thrown in the endzone. They come on passes completed outside the endzone and then run in. Problem is we have had very few plays this season with yards after the catch. Up until last week we had very few plays designed to maximize YAC ..stick routes are possession type routes.... |
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Post by drew on Dec 5, 2021 17:13:17 GMT -5
remember when everyone was saying Darius Slayton was gonna be better than Odell Beckham was for the Giants? lol
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Post by giantlegacy on Dec 5, 2021 17:17:53 GMT -5
remember when everyone was saying Darius Slayton was gonna be better than Odell Beckham was for the Giants? lol Upside High end deep number 2 wr with at least a similar or better player opposite him was my ceiling... Downside A 5th round pick But this is the effort Lobstah Boy put into adding young playmakers around a freshly drafted qh for 2 years ... |
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Post by kerryisdaman on Dec 6, 2021 8:21:50 GMT -5
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Post by TheAnalyst on Dec 6, 2021 8:44:06 GMT -5
This was known prior to signing him. He isnt a quick, create a lot of space type WR. Toney is. Shep is out of the slot. Golladay was our big body, physical WR who would get the jump balls in the endzone. He was Hakeem Nicks not Victor Cruz. We cant make him something he isnt. Thats why this team fails so much. |
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Post by GameTime on Dec 6, 2021 8:45:50 GMT -5
its just part and parcel of the team's total lack of ability to do most things correctly.
If I was any player on this team I would ask to be traded, released or whatever. I'd even sacrifice money to the GTFO there.
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Post by Rangers13 on Dec 6, 2021 8:46:13 GMT -5
like Solder, the league laughed at the Golladay contract. Could see it coming. Gettleman was desperate and went for broke. “Going to to what’s best for the NY football Giants” is more bs from Gettleman. Guy is a terrible. |
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Post by DandyDon on Dec 6, 2021 8:52:53 GMT -5
its just part and parcel of the team's total lack of ability to do most things correctly. If I was any player on this team I would ask to be traded, released or whatever. I'd even sacrifice money to the GTFO there. Yeah, you kind of have to be able to stay on the field and play a bit for anyone to want to trade for you. Who exactly fits this description on the Giants? |
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Post by kerryisdaman on Dec 6, 2021 8:58:36 GMT -5
like Solder, the league laughed at the Golladay contract. Could see it coming. Gettleman was desperate and went for broke. “Going to to what’s best for the NY football Giants” is more bs from Gettleman. Guy is a terrible. I have to take some blame here as well. I had not seen much of the guy. The media said he was the best available so I was happy we signed him despite reading about his possible separation issues. |
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Post by kerryisdaman on Dec 6, 2021 9:01:02 GMT -5
This was known prior to signing him. He isnt a quick, create a lot of space type WR. Toney is. Shep is out of the slot. Golladay was our big body, physical WR who would get the jump balls in the endzone. He was Hakeem Nicks not Victor Cruz. We cant make him something he isnt. Thats why this team fails so much. You are right but 1 extra yard of separation can be the difference between a great big receiver and a guy that gets cut. Fourth lowest in the NFL is not going to cut it. You cant keep forcing the ball to a covered guy without some interceptions. |
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Post by nick030567 on Dec 6, 2021 9:04:28 GMT -5
So far this season the Wide Receiver group has scored 4 measly touchdowns. I would not have imagined this group to be so pathetic.Since I cannot watch the games in Missouri, do you blame the coaches' scheme, the O line, the QB or the many injuries? All of the above? 1.Injuries 2.Up until last week coaches scheme/playcalling...unfortunately due to reason 1 its going to be hard to evaluate this though I see major improvement witb route concepts already... 3.O line castration ability for a regular deep passing attack For me this couldn't be more clear. Today was the first time all season the team looked like they were a QB away from a win. Meaning Glennon missed a number of play Jones could've or would've made. But that is why Glennon is a journeyman back up. Doesn't help when your best WRs are never on the field together. Even Golliday got hurt again during the game and missed some plays |
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Post by DJones19 on Dec 6, 2021 9:06:26 GMT -5
Golladay and Toney both look like busts to me.
Somehow Golladay looks worse at contested catches than 5'10 Golden Tate.
Shepard is never on the field, Slayton extremely inconsistent, Engram improving but more like a WR3 playing TE - another ball tipped off his hands against the Eagles, Ross has made a career out of being a non-factor.
We invested a lot into receivers but I think they might be the worst unit on the team.
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Post by DJones19 on Dec 6, 2021 9:08:15 GMT -5
For a guy who was supposed to be a tough guy (Golladay), contested catches, stretching the field...I don't see it.
I saw a flash or two but then an injury...he's exactly been what Detroit fans said he was.
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Post by GameTime on Dec 6, 2021 9:09:47 GMT -5
its just part and parcel of the team's total lack of ability to do most things correctly. If I was any player on this team I would ask to be traded, released or whatever. I'd even sacrifice money to the GTFO there. Yeah, you kind of have to be able to stay on the field and play a bit for anyone to want to trade for you. Who exactly fits this description on the Giants? dont care... this team is so ****ed up I would want out. Thats the point. |
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Post by bluejayc on Dec 6, 2021 9:11:20 GMT -5
So far this season the Wide Receiver group has scored 4 measly touchdowns. I would not have imagined this group to be so pathetic.Since I cannot watch the games in Missouri, do you blame the coaches' scheme, the O line, the QB or the many injuries? All of the above? 1.Injuries 2.Up until last week coaches scheme/playcalling...unfortunately due to reason 1 its going to be hard to evaluate this though I see major improvement witb route concepts already...3.O line castration ability for a regular deep passing attack I thought this was may be the ONE positive of yesterday's game.....guys were open in space....had Glennon been more accurate (i.e. - Ross Crossing Route) there would have been some big gainers......unfortunately he was high and inaccurate most of the game and the few he did put on the money were dropped. I'll tell you what though if you told me preseason that Evan Engram would be leading the team in TD receptions going into Week 14 I would think he would be crushing it and proving everyone wrong......sadly not the case. |
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Post by kerryisdaman on Dec 6, 2021 9:17:27 GMT -5
Golladay and Toney both look like busts to me. Somehow Golladay looks worse at contested catches than 5'10 Golden Tate. Shepard is never on the field, Slayton extremely inconsistent, Engram improving but more like a WR3 playing TE - another ball tipped off his hands against the Eagles, Ross has made a career out of being a non-factor. We invested a lot into receivers but I think they might be the worst unit on the team. I said since the start that our weapons were overrated. I think Shep is solid. I think Slayton is good as a backup. I think EE is underrated on this board but not what he should be overall. I think KT has some promise if he can get on the field. I'm very concerned about Golladay. I wanted him signed but his separation is just not there. It is risking interceptions to keep forcing the ball to a guy that is not open as much as a guy should be. I know he has battled injuries so I will give him a break there but at $20 mill a year we have to be concerned. If ranking our group of receivers I would rank them in the bottom 3rd of the league. |
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Post by TheAnalyst on Dec 6, 2021 9:20:04 GMT -5
We should have traded players like Engram and Williams at the deadline. This is the problem with having a lameduck GM. All the spending this offseason to save his ass buries us deeper for longer.
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Post by DandyDon on Dec 6, 2021 9:37:19 GMT -5
1.Injuries 2.Up until last week coaches scheme/playcalling...unfortunately due to reason 1 its going to be hard to evaluate this though I see major improvement witb route concepts already...3.O line castration ability for a regular deep passing attack I thought this was may be the ONE positive of yesterday's game.....guys were open in space....had Glennon been more accurate (i.e. - Ross Crossing Route) there would have been some big gainers......unfortunately he was high and inaccurate most of the game and the few he did put on the money were dropped. I'll tell you what though if you told me preseason that Evan Engram would be leading the team in TD receptions going into Week 14 I would think he would be crushing it and proving everyone wrong......sadly not the case. Well, Andrew Thomas is tied for second. And Sterling Shepard has the most receiving yards per game despite being out for 7 weeks. Saquon is averaging 24 yards per game. You cant make this stuff up.... www.espn.com/nfl/team/stats/_/name/nyg/new-york-giants |
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Post by giantlegacy on Dec 6, 2021 9:38:56 GMT -5
1.Injuries 2.Up until last week coaches scheme/playcalling...unfortunately due to reason 1 its going to be hard to evaluate this though I see major improvement witb route concepts already...3.O line castration ability for a regular deep passing attack I thought this was may be the ONE positive of yesterday's game.....guys were open in space....had Glennon been more accurate (i.e. - Ross Crossing Route) there would have been some big gainers......unfortunately he was high and inaccurate most of the game and the few he did put on the money were dropped. I'll tell you what though if you told me preseason that Evan Engram would be leading the team in TD receptions going into Week 14 I would think he would be crushing it and proving everyone wrong......sadly not the case. Exactly Unfortunately Shepard is only reliable for 8-10 games at most but him and Toney schemed like this could have these guys wide open with a lot of yards post catch with Jones or anyone who is accurate. |
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Post by Kruunch on Dec 6, 2021 9:42:50 GMT -5
Shepard always injured.. Toney, always injured.. Slayton, should be injured.. he sucks. Golladay, always injured. Collin Johnson, who cares. John Ross, is buried so deep in the depth chart you would need a sonar to find him.
Ghosts, actually scare people.. these clowns do nothing of the sort..
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Post by kerryisdaman on Dec 6, 2021 9:45:43 GMT -5
I thought this was may be the ONE positive of yesterday's game.....guys were open in space....had Glennon been more accurate (i.e. - Ross Crossing Route) there would have been some big gainers......unfortunately he was high and inaccurate most of the game and the few he did put on the money were dropped. I'll tell you what though if you told me preseason that Evan Engram would be leading the team in TD receptions going into Week 14 I would think he would be crushing it and proving everyone wrong......sadly not the case. Well, Andrew Thomas is tied for second. And Sterling Shepard has the most receiving yards per game despite being out for 7 weeks. Saquon is averaging 24 yards per game. You cant make this stuff up.... www.espn.com/nfl/team/stats/_/name/nyg/new-york-giantsI have to admit in a 1970's lovable loser Giants team type of way it is pretty funny that our left tackle has more TDs than our $20 mill wide receiver lol.  |
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Post by DandyDon on Dec 6, 2021 10:15:42 GMT -5
I have to admit in a 1970's lovable loser Giants team type of way it is pretty funny that our left tackle has more TDs than our $20 mill wide receiver lol. I agree that at this point it makes me laugh more than making me angry. I mean, just watch JJs press conference. It's like bizzaro world. |
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Post by DJones19 on Dec 6, 2021 12:05:44 GMT -5
Not a WR but I just remembered about Rudolph.
He made an appearance against Miami...I thought he had retired.
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