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Post by Martin on Dec 5, 2021 23:06:01 GMT -5
All true! So many young great players and this coach G I like a lot. Rangers much more physical than last year. Kinda reminds me of my Lightning when they decided to add a physical element to their game 2019/2020.. Yes same kinda thing! Anyway for now we have a broken Giants team that's in pieces.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 5, 2021 23:06:59 GMT -5
yea the whole team is playing physical Reeves brings a physical presence they have lacked.To bad Blaise got injured he was a physical player too! I know it was nice knowing mess with our guys and we had 2 guys that might take your head off.
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Post by mj312 on Dec 5, 2021 23:23:03 GMT -5
This line isn’t great by any means however there has been games where they have played well enough to win games .. blaming the O-line has become a really convenient excuse but i have seen more than enough plays where Jones or Glennon had time and nobody makes a play . Slayton has dropped 2 game winning touchdowns this year . There are times where Jones has time and he just completely fails to have any pocket presence and fumbles or throws a pick ..That is not the lines fault . This team has zero playmakers .. when I say playmaker I mean a guy that can catch a pass and take one 75 yards for the touchdown .. ZERO .. NONE … The last guy we had to make a play like that was Beckham.. before that was Cruz .. watch any other team and they have big plays a lot .. The Giants are constantly the most average , boring , lame team in the NFL.. it takes them 30 plays to score , that’s why we can only score 14 points a game .. While we are discussing this im going to say that saquon sucks on the giants .. he’s absolutely the wrong back for this team and his running style just doesn’t work .. you absolutely can’t have a running back that is hesitant or wants to go lateral with a line that struggles .. people can disagree all they want , although not as talented Gallman was a much better fit .. he hit the holes hard and was able to hit the creases without hesitation.. as bad as the giants have been evaluating talent everywhere their evaluation of running backs has been equally bad .. watch other teams .. their second and third string backs are light years better than our guys ..
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Post by kerryisdaman on Dec 5, 2021 23:31:39 GMT -5
I have never understood how we took the 31st ranked Oline from last season and thought it would get better after letting our best Olinemen from last season (Zeilter) leave the team? That has never made any sense. It was horrible way to go in to the season. Every talking head knew our Oline was our weakest link and then we actually made it worse instead of better. How did that make any sense to our management? Why didnt Judge put up a fight and say we need some starters on our line? Yes I know Gates went down to injury but Solder? Hernandez? They have been very bad.
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Post by giantlegacy on Dec 5, 2021 23:31:45 GMT -5
To bad Blaise got injured he was a physical player too! I know it was nice knowing mess with our guys and we had 2 guys that might take your head off. We have a bunch of rooks,nobodies and the backup goalie was hot today (our radio guy is awesome)
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Post by solomonphoenix56 on Dec 5, 2021 23:32:24 GMT -5
It's pretty amazing how much better Erick Flowers is at Guard than either of our Guards. It's all great if you have 6 to 8 years to develop a guy he bounced around and it took a while but he is in the top 10 John Matasco helps he was here years ago great OL coach. He should have been moved to Guard while he was on the Giants. He would be very useful right now.
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Post by giantlegacy on Dec 5, 2021 23:36:00 GMT -5
I have never understood how we took the 31st ranked Oline from last season and thought it would get better after letting our best Olinemen from last season (Zeilter) leave the team? That has never made any sense. It was horrible way to go in to the season. Every talking head knew our Oline was our weakest link and then we actually made it worse instead of better. How did that make any sense to our management? Why didnt Judge put up a fight and say we need some starters on our line? Yes I know Gates went down to injury but Solder? Hernandez? They have been very bad. They ASSumed Peart would take the next step,Hernandez would actually return to rookie form,Lemieux would improve as would Gates(who already was a solid starter) 2 season ending injuries and the entire right side of the Oline collapsing later.... We are here looking at having to go into almost complete O line rebuild 3.0 in 9 years after we started the first one
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Post by vinnie on Dec 5, 2021 23:43:14 GMT -5
I’m 43, I’ve read several posts from the “ole timers” (no offense Blue) talking about how bad the 70’s were. Being born in ‘78, I obviously don’t know what **** they’re talking about but have a general idea of how bad it was. Now I’m hearing how this is worse than the 70’s. HOW?!
Anyone who isn’t critical of the coach, GM, or Mara deserves to be put in an asylum. How the **** can anyone support anything this team does. If cherrymike is criticizing the team then you know we’ve hit rock bottom, and we’ve hit rock bottom.
Call it ranting, I don’t give a shit. I am ranting and this team sucks balls. There’s not even a light at the end of the tunnel. Great, next year we get a few offensive linemen and DJ and nothing else changes. **** this team…
/end rant #sorryfellas
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Post by Martin on Dec 5, 2021 23:49:58 GMT -5
I’m 43, I’ve read several posts from the “ole timers” (no offense Blue) talking about how bad the 70’s were. Being born in ‘78, I obviously don’t know what **** they’re talking about but have a general idea of how bad it was. Now I’m hearing how this is worse than the 70’s. HOW?! Anyone who isn’t critical of the coach, GM, or Mara deserves to be put in an asylum. How the **** can anyone support anything this team does. If cherrymike is criticizing the team then you know we’ve hit rock bottom, and we’ve hit rock bottom. Call it ranting, I don’t give a shit. I am ranting and this team sucks balls. There’s not even a light at the end of the tunnel. Great, next year we get a few offensive linemen and DJ and nothing else changes. **** this team… /end rant #sorryfellas Let it out. Can't hold that shit in. Therapy! Free session. But yeah it's fkin bad
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Post by kerryisdaman on Dec 6, 2021 0:49:58 GMT -5
I have never understood how we took the 31st ranked Oline from last season and thought it would get better after letting our best Olinemen from last season (Zeilter) leave the team? That has never made any sense. It was horrible way to go in to the season. Every talking head knew our Oline was our weakest link and then we actually made it worse instead of better. How did that make any sense to our management? Why didnt Judge put up a fight and say we need some starters on our line? Yes I know Gates went down to injury but Solder? Hernandez? They have been very bad. They ASSumed Peart would take the next step,Hernandez would actually return to rookie form,Lemieux would improve as would Gates(who already was a solid starter) 2 season ending injuries and the entire right side of the Oline collapsing later.... We are here looking at having to go into almost complete O line rebuild 3.0 in 9 years after we started the first one I knew they were going to look bad week 1 before most the injuries and they did not surprise. I'm sorry our management blew it. Even with Gates and Lemieux we had a maybe in Lemiuex, a maybe in Peart, a maybe in Hernandez and a maybe in Solder. They were maybe to be okay but never a maybe to be good. It was like going to a Nascar race on 3 bald tires and thinking it may be okay. I told my dad about it for months to the point where he said I dont want to hear about the Oline. This was before the season even started.
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Post by kerryisdaman on Dec 6, 2021 0:52:10 GMT -5
I’m 43, I’ve read several posts from the “ole timers” (no offense Blue) talking about how bad the 70’s were. Being born in ‘78, I obviously don’t know what **** they’re talking about but have a general idea of how bad it was. Now I’m hearing how this is worse than the 70’s. HOW?! Anyone who isn’t critical of the coach, GM, or Mara deserves to be put in an asylum. How the **** can anyone support anything this team does. If cherrymike is criticizing the team then you know we’ve hit rock bottom, and we’ve hit rock bottom. Call it ranting, I don’t give a shit. I am ranting and this team sucks balls. There’s not even a light at the end of the tunnel. Great, next year we get a few offensive linemen and DJ and nothing else changes. **** this team… /end rant #sorryfellas Our offense averaged around 12 points one season with Joe P. This teams offense is not worse than that offense. Think we blew some games? Go look up the Miracle at The Meadowlands.
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Post by bigbluebandit on Dec 6, 2021 2:57:30 GMT -5
Give the Giants credit…that’s actually hard to do…most teams luck into a few olineman. Not the Giants. Can’t find them…can’t luck into them. The Giants are a rare breed. Chiefs turned over their entire oline this off-season! You realize by almost every measurable metric they are trash this year right....
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Post by vinnie on Dec 6, 2021 4:32:16 GMT -5
This line isn’t great by any means however there has been games where they have played well enough to win games .. blaming the O-line has become a really convenient excuse but i have seen more than enough plays where Jones or Glennon had time and nobody makes a play . Slayton has dropped 2 game winning touchdowns this year . There are times where Jones has time and he just completely fails to have any pocket presence and fumbles or throws a pick ..That is not the lines fault . This team has zero playmakers .. when I say playmaker I mean a guy that can catch a pass and take one 75 yards for the touchdown .. ZERO .. NONE … The last guy we had to make a play like that was Beckham.. before that was Cruz .. watch any other team and they have big plays a lot .. The Giants are constantly the most average , boring , lame team in the NFL.. it takes them 30 plays to score , that’s why we can only score 14 points a game .. While we are discussing this im going to say that saquon sucks on the giants .. he’s absolutely the wrong back for this team and his running style just doesn’t work .. you absolutely can’t have a running back that is hesitant or wants to go lateral with a line that struggles .. people can disagree all they want , although not as talented Gallman was a much better fit .. he hit the holes hard and was able to hit the creases without hesitation.. as bad as the giants have been evaluating talent everywhere their evaluation of running backs has been equally bad .. watch other teams .. their second and third string backs are light years better than our guys .. This is all true. The O line is definitely the root of the problem but it goes much deeper than that. This team sucks from top to bottom. I’ve given every one of the losers excuses for 3-4 years and I’ve had it, I’m done. Purge this team from the top to the bottom. I understand Mara isn’t going anywhere (unfortunately) but the rest og the team needs to go. Keeping contract’s in mind, keep Thomas and literally everyone else can GTFO, coaches, players, all of them. I can’t even stand to look at Judges hoodie wannabe mug anymore. Get rid of ALL of them! rantofthweekover
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Post by vinnie on Dec 6, 2021 4:34:57 GMT -5
Chiefs turned over their entire oline this off-season! You realize by almost every measurable metric they are trash this year right.... Please elaborate. Every single one of their O linemen is a first time starter and I’m not sure they have a single player that is worse than any of ours. I’m looking forward to hearing how “trashy” they are. This is the moat brutally honest review I’ve found about them (granted a month old) and they’re still top 10. establishtherun.com/thorn-midseason-nfl-offensive-line-rankings/Not being sarcastic, I’ve watched ~5 KC games this year and keep up with “rankings” which I know can be subjective, but I have yet to see or read anything that even suggests that the KC O line is “trashy” or even anything less than mediocre. In one year, they accomplished what the Giants haven’t able to do in a decade. Don’t even get me started on Trey Smith…”but 31 other teams passed on him so it had to have been the right decision”. Are you ****ing kidding me?
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Post by vinnie on Dec 6, 2021 4:51:24 GMT -5
They ASSumed Peart would take the next step,Hernandez would actually return to rookie form,Lemieux would improve as would Gates(who already was a solid starter) 2 season ending injuries and the entire right side of the Oline collapsing later.... We are here looking at having to go into almost complete O line rebuild 3.0 in 9 years after we started the first one I knew they were going to look bad week 1 before most the injuries and they did not surprise. I'm sorry our management blew it. Even with Gates and Lemieux we had a maybe in Lemiuex, a maybe in Peart, a maybe in Hernandez and a maybe in Solder. They were maybe to be okay but never a maybe to be good. It was like going to a Nascar race on 3 bald tires and thinking it may be okay. I told my dad about it for months to the point where he said I dont want to hear about the Oline. This was before the season even started. Got that right. I’ve said from day 1 and I’ll say it again, we have 3 of our slated 5 starters. Thomas, Hernandez, Solder/Peart that Judge and DG were happy with. Anyone who thinks Gates and Lemieux would make this line that much better are drinking the blue Kool Aid or off their meds. Lemieux was one of the worst guards in the league last year “but he improved” and Gates was average at best but fans acted liked he was an All Pro because average is All Pro on this line. Even without injuries, its debatable whether we would be better. F’in NYG clown show.
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Post by mikethenygfan on Dec 6, 2021 5:30:25 GMT -5
The offensive line is total trash, but we got our best offensive lineman since Chris Snee was drafted. When was the last time the Giants had a good a LT as Andrew Thomas? 1 down, 4 to go yeah hopefully. The way the giants have been coached we see more regression then progression in our players.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2021 6:32:07 GMT -5
It's pretty amazing how much better Erick Flowers is at Guard than either of our Guards. Well, to be fair...no Giants fan would have accepted Flowers anywhere on this team...certain players reach that have to be gone status, and that's it for them...sad as many a tackle thrive when pushed inside the phone booth. Others, like Barkley....they get extended years to suck privilege among enough of the fan base, sports center fantasy fans.... to at least create endless debate that goes nowhere....just like the team
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2021 6:33:04 GMT -5
I have never understood how we took the 31st ranked Oline from last season and thought it would get better after letting our best Olinemen from last season (Zeilter) leave the team? That has never made any sense. It was horrible way to go in to the season. Every talking head knew our Oline was our weakest link and then we actually made it worse instead of better. How did that make any sense to our management? Why didnt Judge put up a fight and say we need some starters on our line? Yes I know Gates went down to injury but Solder? Hernandez? They have been very bad. They ASSumed Peart would take the next step,Hernandez would actually return to rookie form,Lemieux would improve as would Gates(who already was a solid starter) 2 season ending injuries and the entire right side of the Oline collapsing later.... We are here looking at having to go into almost complete O line rebuild 3.0 in 9 years after we started the first one
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2021 6:43:51 GMT -5
Give the Giants credit…that’s actually hard to do…most teams luck into a few olineman. Not the Giants. Can’t find them…can’t luck into them. The Giants are a rare breed. Unfortunately, after we signed Solder to the most expensive contract in the history of sports, lol....we heard "we only need a body", on the right side, and Gettleman will find IOIL "gems" in later rounds...it's what he does. Optimism is a nice trait, until it gets you killed.... Even last year...we heard this line was satisfactory from many....lol.
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Post by Fletch842 on Dec 6, 2021 7:22:50 GMT -5
the most amazing thing is that DG came in with a primary goal of fixing the O Line, specifically. He has failed so miserably at that, it's comical.
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Post by Jomo on Dec 6, 2021 7:26:54 GMT -5
I looked up when we selected Peart. We used a #3 pick. Two years later we are told that Solder is playing better than Peart and that's why Peart is not starting. If Peart hasn't eclipsed the low-level play of Solder by now, we've wasted another high pick on an OL. Just one small example of this FO no being able to ID talent in the draft.
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Post by vinnie on Dec 6, 2021 7:32:46 GMT -5
I’m 43, I’ve read several posts from the “ole timers” (no offense Blue) talking about how bad the 70’s were. Being born in ‘78, I obviously don’t know what **** they’re talking about but have a general idea of how bad it was. Now I’m hearing how this is worse than the 70’s. HOW?! Anyone who isn’t critical of the coach, GM, or Mara deserves to be put in an asylum. How the **** can anyone support anything this team does. If cherrymike is criticizing the team then you know we’ve hit rock bottom, and we’ve hit rock bottom. Call it ranting, I don’t give a shit. I am ranting and this team sucks balls. There’s not even a light at the end of the tunnel. Great, next year we get a few offensive linemen and DJ and nothing else changes. **** this team… /end rant #sorryfellas Our offense averaged around 12 points one season with Joe P. This teams offense is not worse than that offense. Think we blew some games? Go look up the Miracle at The Meadowlands. Interesting stat, 12 points? How is that even possible? Regardless, it doesn’t make it acceptable, especially in today’s NFL where it seems the average points per game is much higher than it used to be.
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Post by Jomo on Dec 6, 2021 7:34:37 GMT -5
10 years into rebuilding the OL and all we have to show for it is one LT.
It is actually more than 10 if you consider that most of us here could see that last great line aging out together.
We should have gotten a 3 year jump start on rebuilding.
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Post by vinnie on Dec 6, 2021 7:42:35 GMT -5
the most amazing thing is that DG came in with a primary goal of fixing the O Line, specifically. He has failed so miserably at that, it's comical. If I wasn’t such a fan I would laugh about this but all it does is piss me off even more and to think there’s people that blindly supported him is just as comical. “He used a 2nd round pick on Hernandez, most scouts had him rated as the best guard, DG tried”. “Hernandez had bad coaching, with Sale we’ll see him and Peart develop”. “Give Peart more time, he needs to put on size and needs better coaching, he’ll be much better in his second year”. “Solder was the best LT available, what other option did he have”. In reference to Trey Smith “31 other teams past on him so you cant fault DG for not drafting him”. These quotes obviously aren’t verbatim but they’re damn close to some of the bullshit I’ve read over the past few years. Soooooooo many excuses.
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Post by kerryisdaman on Dec 6, 2021 7:56:49 GMT -5
Our offense averaged around 12 points one season with Joe P. This teams offense is not worse than that offense. Think we blew some games? Go look up the Miracle at The Meadowlands. Interesting stat, 12 points? How is that even possible? Regardless, it doesn’t make it acceptable, especially in today’s NFL where it seems the average points per game is much higher than it used to be. I looked it up. 12.9 points per game. It was not even the worst in the NFL. That includes 2 interceptions returned for TDs, and a punt return for td. We had 6 passing tds. We actually had some studs on defense back then. Harry Carson, Brad Van Pelt, George Martin and Beasely Reese.
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Post by kerryisdaman on Dec 6, 2021 8:08:38 GMT -5
We should get the best oline coach in the NFL. Someone like a Bill Callaghan or a Mike Munchak.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 6, 2021 8:13:39 GMT -5
It's all great if you have 6 to 8 years to develop a guy he bounced around and it took a while but he is in the top 10 John Matasco helps he was here years ago great OL coach. He should have been moved to Guard while he was on the Giants. He would be very useful right now. I would say this the Giants have done more wrong then right in the last 10 years as far as drafting goes. Flowers was drafted to be a 10 year Left Tackle he is in year 7 or 8 not sure which but he was bad to start at Guard he got better and has finally become something. In a league where coaches and QBs get 2 years GMs get 4 no franchise is waiting 7 years on guard, he ended his career here when he and Bobby Hart refused to play the last game of 2017.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 6, 2021 8:16:11 GMT -5
We should get the best oline coach in the NFL. Someone like a Bill Callaghan or a Mike Munchak. I think the best one might be in Washington Matasco he is up there with Callahan and Munchak, Giants were interested in Callahan but he and Garrett ha dsome passed issues he said no thanks.
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Post by Rangers13 on Dec 6, 2021 8:16:29 GMT -5
We should get the best oline coach in the NFL. Someone like a Bill Callaghan or a Mike Munchak. wouldn’t make a difference. Review the same film, work on technique, do drills, go through reps yet the players aren’t NFL caliber. Glennon’s record is what it is for a reason. Miami is good at pressuring QBs
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 6, 2021 8:19:24 GMT -5
I know it was nice knowing mess with our guys and we had 2 guys that might take your head off. We have a bunch of rooks,nobodies and the backup goalie was hot today (our radio guy is awesome) Very similar to what the Rangers are with starter out we are riding the backup young is fun, Thats what I was hoping for when the Giants cleaned house.
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