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Post by allnygin on Dec 7, 2021 10:08:15 GMT -5
I would prefer a Defensive mind as the HC maybe this guy Don "Wink" Martindale (Ravens) You just proved my point you still think its 1980
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2021 10:10:10 GMT -5
Dan Quinn could be a possibility. Experience and a SB appearance.. Defensive minded guy that was part of the biggest super bowl choke in history No thanks I like the defensive "minded guys".. The choke sucks but who doesn't have a few moments of stuff like that happen in the life.. At least he was there and a part of a winner in Seattle..
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Post by jmike on Dec 7, 2021 10:10:42 GMT -5
If fans get their way the new GM Riddick will hire Deion Sanders as a HC. I mean we once had Pat Shurmur and Dave gettlemen as a HC / GM pair, I don't see how that could be any worse. LOL....did you just become a Giants fan today? Don't say stuff like that. The Giants will never reach the bottom of the barrel because they have the unique, almost god like skill, in finding even deeper depths of failure. They can go where no team has gone before. I can't think of another franchise that has lost games in more unique and unexpected ways than the Giants. Run a meaningless play instead of kneeling so they can fumble away the win...check Pull out the wrong game plan to practice the week before the Super Bowl....check Blow a 30 plus point lead in a play-off game.....check Lose on last minute punt returns for touchdowns multiple times to the same team....check Lose because your pass rusher was avoiding tackling due to late hit rules.....check I could go on.......but I am willing to bet that before I die, the Giants will lose because they missed a last second chip shot field goal in a tie game. The cause of the miss will be some idiot pigeon flying into the path of the ball knocking it down. Only to find it falling into the hands of the defender who returns it for a touchdown for the win. I don't know when this will happen, but it will and I'll bet it will be against the god damned Eagles. So please, do us all a favor and don't utter phrases like "I don't see how that could be any worse."
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Post by Tyrell on Dec 7, 2021 10:15:33 GMT -5
Im not really sold on a lot of the coordinators that folks like as being head coaches. a really good offense or defense from a team does not necessarily equate to that guy being a good head coach. teams gotta be really careful about picking a guy, youre talking about someone having a good scheme for one side of the ball verses a guy who runs the entire operation and leads the franchise, at least as far as onfield is concerned. not to say it doesnt happen, of course it does, but a good coordinator is a long way from necessarily being a good head coach, the two are far more different than folks give credit for.
I was onboard with judge, even with his flaws, up until this past couple weeks. you just cant tell us theres a lot of good things and progress in a game where half the plays went backwards, we never scored a touchdown, and the management and carelessness of precious time was handled like a benny hill episode, it was so silly.. cmon man.
giants are down with 2 scores with the clock draining and we're just standing around.... ugh.
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Post by allnygin on Dec 7, 2021 10:15:42 GMT -5
I mean we once had Pat Shurmur and Dave gettlemen as a HC / GM pair, I don't see how that could be any worse. LOL....did you just become a Giants fan today? Don't say stuff like that. The Giants will never reach the bottom of the barrel because they have the unique, almost god like skill, in finding even deeper depths of failure. They can go where no team has gone before. I can't think of another franchise that has lost games in more unique and unexpected ways than the Giants. Run a meaningless play instead of kneeling so they can fumble away the win...check Pull out the wrong game plan to practice the week before the Super Bowl....check Blow a 30 plus point lead in a play-off game.....check Lose on last minute punt returns for touchdowns multiple times to the same team....check Lose because your pass rusher was avoiding tackling due to late hit rules.....check I could go on.......but I am willing to bet that before I die, the Giants will lose because they missed a last second chip shot field goal in a tie game. The cause of the miss will be some idiot pigeon flying into the path of the ball knocking it down. Only to find it falling into the hands of the defender who returns it for a touchdown for the win. I don't know when this will happen, but it will and I'll bet it will be against the god damned Eagles. So please, do us all a favor and don't utter phrases like "I don't see how that could be any worse." . lol good points
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Post by myronguyton29 on Dec 7, 2021 10:18:34 GMT -5
yeah i don't know either............. I'd give Leftwictch or Biennimie a try for sure. Bad year, down year, oh well. Judge got his shot when he hadn't proven shit!! At least we saw Bienemiy doing great things with the chiefs for years and Leftwicth sure he deserves a shot as well. A few others I can't recall right now that I've been thinking about as well Leftwich has Arians and Brady to dilute what his actual impact is there. Remember that O was a turnover machine before Brady got there and even NYG was winning there. As for Bieniemy, NYG fans would not go for the carefree improvisational offense the Chiefs have enjoyed/employed. Sure high points scored but the first 3 pick game Jones(or whoever) has the fans would be calling for his head. I'm all for giving Judge another season but not Gettleman. I won't be the least bit surprised with a few tweaks and better player evaluation to see marked improvement. If a coach search ensues, I'm surprised the name Jay Gruden hasn't come up.Where is he now? He basically lost his job over not endorsing the Haskins pick, and was rumored to have wanted Jones. He was having trouble with Daniel Snyders meddling, so whoever was the GM would need to snuff that type of ownership meddling out. yeah Gruden could work. As for Beienmi, that's the way Mahomes plays and Ried endorsed it and heck they were and are winning with it despite teams catching up to figuring them out sure. But the thing is, good/great head coaches came from an oppurtunity and folks need to be given a chance. The same way Judge got his chance an so on and so on. At least Bienimi has acually done something in this league and with KC lol. And pretty much the same for Leftwicth. Can't blame him for what Jaimes was also. He deserves the same oppurtunity we see folks getting around the league ala the Sean McDermotts and the Sean McVay's....
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Post by jb456 on Dec 7, 2021 10:29:31 GMT -5
If Judge comes back he better go to "time management 101" in the off season. One of the things he seems clueless on He already has like 75 coaches and assistants. Put 3 of them in a room and bring a consultant in to teach them how a clock works....
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Dec 7, 2021 10:41:01 GMT -5
I know the frustration level and after Judge seemed clueless at the presser after the Miami game so many are fed up with him. His team is playing worse than when he took over. And it was shit then. And Judge has no rep to lean on to believe we get better with him.
But firing coaches every 2 years is such a losing strategy. Nobody will come here, it's not enough time for a coach to evolve. Remember both Parcells and Fassel were almost fired their 2nd years. Judge looks like crap and personally I don't think he has enough experience to be a HC in the NFL.
Against Miami calling a T.O. with around 10 seconds left in the 1st qtr. There was no wind to attempt a FG or anything the qtr was ending. A complete waste of a T.O. Two games ago Judge says a T.O. should have been called on a 3rd down play. That one he didn't call T.O. A delay of game penalty on the next play after right a delay of game penalty. These things are driving everyone crazy.
With all this I think if you hire a H.C. you have to give him 3 years or your not getting anyone to come here who has a plan to win. We've already had 3 coaches in the last 5-6 years.
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Post by GameTime on Dec 7, 2021 10:48:29 GMT -5
If Judge comes back he better go to "time management 101" in the off season. One of the things he seems clueless on He already has like 75 coaches and assistants. Put 3 of them in a room and bring a consultant in to teach them how a clock works.... my guess is his "on the field/gametime" organization and methods are not up to speed. He gets overwhelmed and chokes. Also he is witnessing the terrible performance of his team and he knows his time is limited or done. Thats a big distraction.
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Post by McCherry on Dec 7, 2021 10:58:16 GMT -5
I never heard of Joe Judge until they brought him in for an interview. We have no idea which candidates will be good or bad. We certainly weren't right about Judge. I will try to reserve my expectations this time.
The bottom line is if they decide he isn't fit to continue as coach, they'll fire him. They won't keep him because they don't like the candidates or feel they have been firing too many coaches. It's going to come down to these last games, I think he can definitely help himself with some strong performances.
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Post by giantlegacy on Dec 7, 2021 11:35:46 GMT -5
If fans get their way the new GM Riddick will hire Deion Sanders as a HC. I mean we once had Pat Shurmur and Dave gettlemen as a HC / GM pair, I don't see how that could be any worse. I have learned that I never say "it can't be worse anymore "with this franchise "
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Post by Kase1 on Dec 7, 2021 11:39:55 GMT -5
I am willing to bet that before I die, the Giants will lose because they missed a last second chip shot field goal in a tie game. The cause of the miss will be some idiot pigeon flying into the path of the ball knocking it down. Only to find it falling into the hands of the defender who returns it for a touchdown for the win. I don't know when this will happen, but it will and I'll bet it will be against the god damned Eagles. So please, do us all a favor and don't utter phrases like "I don't see how that could be any worse." Oh Lord, how did you access my nightmare!?!?!
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Post by McCherry on Dec 7, 2021 11:48:52 GMT -5
If Judge comes back he better go to "time management 101" in the off season. One of the things he seems clueless on He already has like 75 coaches and assistants. Put 3 of them in a room and bring a consultant in to teach them how a clock works.... It's funny with such a huge staff he gets these results. All of that works against him in the decision on his future. What is Russ Callaway doing? One of the brilliant offensive minds in college football. Pat Flaherty, an offensive assistant. What a waste.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2021 11:49:55 GMT -5
Where do we go for a new HC if we do make a move on Judge? I don't see anyone out there that invigorates me out there Biennemy has lost his luster this year with the Chiefs offense looking mortal. What other assistants ? None of the current crop of unemployment former HCs do anything? College Shaw but he is a lifer Kiffen... Meh I did not want to have to go through another coaching search but here we are and looking at one again John Gruden
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Post by Blue Hulk on Dec 7, 2021 11:54:00 GMT -5
Harbaugh would ask for too much money, but you need a guy like him to fix this mess. We need a dominant figure to start a culture change
No more snake oil salesman
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Post by giantlegacy on Dec 7, 2021 11:57:51 GMT -5
Harbaugh would ask for too much money, but you need a guy like him to fix this mess. We need a dominant figure to start a culture change No more snake oil salesman And this is the crux of this question Where are we going to find such a guy if that is the direction they go in next? That unicorn is not out there
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Post by TCHOF on Dec 7, 2021 11:59:15 GMT -5
Brian Daboll , OC Buffalo and Joe Brady OC Panthers. Neither, are having impressive years. Jim Harbaugh, especially if he wins the College Championship. The recent college signing ( Kelly , Tucker and Riley ) , has escalated HC pay scale. Both , at the NFL and College level. Imagine Mara having to pay a HC 5 to 10 million a year. That why Judge ( is cheap ) Will be back next year. Harbaugh has pretty much been a disaster at Michigan before this season. He would have been run out of town here after the first few years, before getting a chance to turn it around. Don't really see him as an option.
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Post by bigbluejeep8888 on Dec 7, 2021 12:26:00 GMT -5
Why is it that no one mentions Byron Leftwich? He's been coaching under Arians for more then a few years now, and should be getting the notice. Does everyone attribute it mostly to Brady? I've heard nothing but good things about him. Good point he see's from a players perspective. I like him and he has earned his stripes. Before Tom Brady, Leftwich qbs as a qb coach and o coordinator: 69tds 66ints, no thank you
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Post by bigbluejeep8888 on Dec 7, 2021 12:27:03 GMT -5
Brian Daboll , OC Buffalo and Joe Brady OC Panthers. Neither, are having impressive years. Jim Harbaugh, especially if he wins the College Championship. The recent college signing ( Kelly , Tucker and Riley ) , has escalated HC pay scale. Both , at the NFL and College level. Imagine Mara having to pay a HC 5 to 10 million a year. That why Judge ( is cheap ) Will be back next year. Harbaugh has pretty much been a disaster at Michigan before this season. He would have been run out of town here after the first few years, before getting a chance to turn it around. Don't really see him as an option. Harbaugh was great with the 49ers. I'm would be all for him but he has no reason to come herem
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Post by jmike on Dec 7, 2021 12:28:37 GMT -5
Harbaugh has pretty much been a disaster at Michigan before this season. He would have been run out of town here after the first few years, before getting a chance to turn it around. Don't really see him as an option. Harbaugh was great with the 49ers. I'm would be all for him but he has no reason to come herem Kind of defeats the purpose of the harem then, doesn't it.
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Post by Blue Hulk on Dec 7, 2021 12:29:28 GMT -5
The direction this team is heading, Hire kirby Smart
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Post by bigbluejeep8888 on Dec 7, 2021 12:31:52 GMT -5
Dan Quinn could be a possibility. Experience and a SB appearance.. Yup, I wouldn't say no to him and a wco coordinator. People are gonna say the same thing when would day about pederson that they would quinn. I am not letting one half of football dictate an entire coaching hire. Mistakes happen I am all getting someone with sb experience a lot better than our last 3 head coaches could say (as a prior head coach).
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Post by jb456 on Dec 7, 2021 12:33:00 GMT -5
Harbaugh would ask for too much money, but you need a guy like him to fix this mess. We need a dominant figure to start a culture change No more snake oil salesman The Brand is being diminished each year and there isn't a salary cap on coaches. Give him whatever he wants....
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2021 12:33:18 GMT -5
Dan Quinn could be a possibility. Experience and a SB appearance.. Yup, I wouldn't say no to him and a wco coordinator. People are gonna say the same thing when would day about pederson that they would quinn. I am not letting one half of football dictate an entire coaching hire. Mistakes happen I am all getting someone with sb experience a lot better than our last 3 head coaches could say (as a prior head coach). Good call on Pederson.. I guess there is no making some of these fans happy with a choice..
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Post by giantlegacy on Dec 7, 2021 12:36:35 GMT -5
The direction this team is heading, Hire kirby Smart He can't beat the top dog ... Pass until he does
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Post by bigbluejeep8888 on Dec 7, 2021 12:40:37 GMT -5
Harbaugh was great with the 49ers. I'm would be all for him but he has no reason to come herem Kind of defeats the purpose of the harem then, doesn't it. It's worth the phone call. I would imgaine an NFL coach has more free time than a college coach and a lot less travel. I have no clue about this but an NFL coach doesn't have to go around and find high school kids. Not that this is all a college coach does but I could ingaine that's a big part of his off season
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Post by kerryisdaman on Dec 7, 2021 12:44:31 GMT -5
Why is it that no one mentions Byron Leftwich? He's been coaching under Arians for more then a few years now, and should be getting the notice. Does everyone attribute it mostly to Brady? I've heard nothing but good things about him. I want Jim Harbaugh because I want an experienced NFL coach but I would consider Leftwich.
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Post by jmike on Dec 7, 2021 12:47:51 GMT -5
Kind of defeats the purpose of the harem then, doesn't it. It's worth the phone call. I would imgaine an NFL coach has more free time than a college coach and a lot less travel. I have no clue about this but an NFL coach doesn't have to go around and find high school kids. Not that this is all a college coach does but I could ingaine that's a big part of his off season
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Post by kerryisdaman on Dec 7, 2021 12:50:46 GMT -5
I dont understand people being ruled out because they lost a Superbowl. You have to get to a Superbowl to lose a Superbowl.
I really think we need an experienced winner not another assistant or college guy..
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Post by bigbluejeep8888 on Dec 7, 2021 13:01:31 GMT -5
Yup, I wouldn't say no to him and a wco coordinator. People are gonna say the same thing when would day about pederson that they would quinn. I am not letting one half of football dictate an entire coaching hire. Mistakes happen I am all getting someone with sb experience a lot better than our last 3 head coaches could say (as a prior head coach). Good call on Pederson.. I guess there is no making some of these fans happy with a choice.. Definitely not. All I know is I done with first time head coaches and head coaches who have never had a playoff run. I want someone with a similar hc resume to tc. Ron Rivera would of been a great fit.
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