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Post by giantlegacy on Dec 6, 2021 23:13:55 GMT -5
Where do we go for a new HC if we do make a move on Judge?
I don't see anyone out there that invigorates me out there Biennemy has lost his luster this year with the Chiefs offense looking mortal. What other assistants ?
None of the current crop of unemployment former HCs do anything? College Shaw but he is a lifer Kiffen...
Meh
I did not want to have to go through another coaching search but here we are and looking at one again
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Post by fifthavephil on Dec 6, 2021 23:56:14 GMT -5
Brian Daboll , OC Buffalo and Joe Brady OC Panthers. Neither, are having impressive years.
Jim Harbaugh, especially if he wins the College Championship.
The recent college signing ( Kelly , Tucker and Riley ) , has escalated HC pay scale. Both , at the NFL and College level. Imagine Mara having to pay a HC 5 to 10 million a year. That why Judge ( is cheap ) Will be back next year.
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Post by giantlegacy on Dec 7, 2021 0:09:11 GMT -5
Brian Daboll , OC Buffalo and Joe Brady OC Panthers. Neither, are having impressive years. Jim Harbaugh, especially if he wins the College Championship. The recent college signing ( Kelly , Tucker and Riley ) , has escalated HC pay scale. Both , at the NFL and College level. Imagine Mara having to pay a HC 5 to 10 million a year. That why Judge ( is cheap ) Will be back next year. Brady was fired... That also could be Rhule starting to resemble Buddy Ryan in regards to how he wants his offense run (probably a blessing for Brady) I am 90% sure Judge is back as well..
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Post by fifthavephil on Dec 7, 2021 0:17:44 GMT -5
Brian Daboll , OC Buffalo and Joe Brady OC Panthers. Neither, are having impressive years. Jim Harbaugh, especially if he wins the College Championship. The recent college signing ( Kelly , Tucker and Riley ) , has escalated HC pay scale. Both , at the NFL and College level. Imagine Mara having to pay a HC 5 to 10 million a year. That why Judge ( is cheap ) Will be back next year. Brady was fired... That also could be Rhule starting to resemble Buddy Ryan in regards to how he wants his offense run (probably a blessing for Brady) I am 90% sure Judge is back as well.. I was not aware, Brady was fired. I guess they wanted him to be a miracle worker, with Darnold. Similar , to Garrett firing , by Judge.
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Post by allnygin on Dec 7, 2021 0:31:34 GMT -5
Where do we go for a new HC if we do make a move on Judge? I don't see anyone out there that invigorates me out there Biennemy has lost his luster this year with the Chiefs offense looking mortal. What other assistants ? None of the current crop of unemployment former HCs do anything? College Shaw but he is a lifer Kiffen... Meh I did not want to have to go through another coaching search but here we are and looking at one again that's the thing. There really isn't that much out there that is really intriguing to me. Maybe Harbaugh, but he's never even mentioned he'd be interested in an NFL gig again to my knowledge. This will be an unpouplar take as its the cowboys, but I like what Moore has done with the Cowboys he might not be ready for HC but I'd be interested in talking.. however, I think he's being groomed to take over for Mcarthy shortly. NO way Jerry lets him leave. LEftwhich might by interesting? but again.. there doesn't really seem like many strong candidates right now
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Post by Fletch842 on Dec 7, 2021 7:18:58 GMT -5
Why is it that no one mentions Byron Leftwich? He's been coaching under Arians for more then a few years now, and should be getting the notice. Does everyone attribute it mostly to Brady? I've heard nothing but good things about him.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 7, 2021 8:11:57 GMT -5
Brian Daboll , OC Buffalo and Joe Brady OC Panthers. Neither, are having impressive years. Jim Harbaugh, especially if he wins the College Championship. The recent college signing ( Kelly , Tucker and Riley ) , has escalated HC pay scale. Both , at the NFL and College level. Imagine Mara having to pay a HC 5 to 10 million a year. That why Judge ( is cheap ) Will be back next year. Harbaugh is a winner. I don't think he is interested in teams like the Giants with a pecking order that he isn't picking and choosing his own players, think he is gonna want a lot of control over his situation if not full control, Didn't like it in San Fran it's worse here.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 7, 2021 8:13:53 GMT -5
Why is it that no one mentions Byron Leftwich? He's been coaching under Arians for more then a few years now, and should be getting the notice. Does everyone attribute it mostly to Brady? I've heard nothing but good things about him. Good point he see's from a players perspective. I like him and he has earned his stripes.
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Post by bluejayc on Dec 7, 2021 8:25:14 GMT -5
I'd have to agree hence why I think he's safe for one more year.
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Post by nick030567 on Dec 7, 2021 8:28:33 GMT -5
Why is it that no one mentions Byron Leftwich? He's been coaching under Arians for more then a few years now, and should be getting the notice. Does everyone attribute it mostly to Brady? I've heard nothing but good things about him. For QB ?? 😁
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Post by myronguyton29 on Dec 7, 2021 8:33:12 GMT -5
yeah i don't know either............. I'd give Leftwictch or Biennimie a try for sure. Bad year, down year, oh well. Judge got his shot when he hadn't proven shit!! At least we saw Bienemiy doing great things with the chiefs for years and Leftwicth sure he deserves a shot as well. A few others I can't recall right now that I've been thinking about as well
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2021 8:36:55 GMT -5
Dan Quinn could be a possibility. Experience and a SB appearance..
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Post by GameTime on Dec 7, 2021 8:59:06 GMT -5
If Judge comes back he better go to "time management 101" in the off season. One of the things he seems clueless on
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Post by cruzsoldier on Dec 7, 2021 9:06:28 GMT -5
Where do we go for a new HC if we do make a move on Judge? I don't see anyone out there that invigorates me out there Biennemy has lost his luster this year with the Chiefs offense looking mortal. What other assistants ? None of the current crop of unemployment former HCs do anything? College Shaw but he is a lifer Kiffen... Meh I did not want to have to go through another coaching search but here we are and looking at one again If your looking for a package deal….. John Dorsey (Green Bay “Tree”) GM and (Green bay “tree”)Doug Pederson HC
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Post by cdngfan on Dec 7, 2021 9:09:27 GMT -5
Where do we go for a new HC if we do make a move on Judge? I don't see anyone out there that invigorates me out there Biennemy has lost his luster this year with the Chiefs offense looking mortal. What other assistants ? None of the current crop of unemployment former HCs do anything? College Shaw but he is a lifer Kiffen... Meh I did not want to have to go through another coaching search but here we are and looking at one again I’d give Judge one more year, not based on his performance, it’s just the same old same old change we’ve been doing for 3 HCs now (2 years and out). It’s not getting better. IMO philosophically I hate the idea of changing systems every 2 years, 3s a minimum for me. Especially when Mara is making the pick. 6 of one, half dozen of another. Regardless, there will be a new GM and he gets to pick his staff. Judge’s fate is in his hands.
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Post by TEM on Dec 7, 2021 9:09:33 GMT -5
Pete Carmichael
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Post by giantlegacy on Dec 7, 2021 9:29:02 GMT -5
Dan Quinn could be a possibility. Experience and a SB appearance.. Defensive minded guy that was part of the biggest super bowl choke in history No thanks
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Post by giantlegacy on Dec 7, 2021 9:30:24 GMT -5
Where do we go for a new HC if we do make a move on Judge? I don't see anyone out there that invigorates me out there Biennemy has lost his luster this year with the Chiefs offense looking mortal. What other assistants ? None of the current crop of unemployment former HCs do anything? College Shaw but he is a lifer Kiffen... Meh I did not want to have to go through another coaching search but here we are and looking at one again I’d give Judge one more year, not based on his performance, it’s just the same old same old change we’ve been doing for 3 HCs now (2 years and out). It’s not getting better. IMO philosophically I hate the idea of changing systems every 2 years, 3s a minimum for me. Especially when Mara is making the pick. 6 of one, half dozen of another. Regardless, there will be a new GM and he gets to pick his staff. Judge’s fate is in his hands. Unless they change the Giants way of doing things since 1997 unfortunately this isn't happening either
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Post by Delicreep on Dec 7, 2021 9:32:01 GMT -5
Rex Ryan
Just really commit to the dumpster fire
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Post by giantsalmon on Dec 7, 2021 9:35:21 GMT -5
yeah i don't know either............. I'd give Leftwictch or Biennimie a try for sure. Bad year, down year, oh well. Judge got his shot when he hadn't proven shit!! At least we saw Bienemiy doing great things with the chiefs for years and Leftwicth sure he deserves a shot as well. A few others I can't recall right now that I've been thinking about as well Leftwich has Arians and Brady to dilute what his actual impact is there. Remember that O was a turnover machine before Brady got there and even NYG was winning there. As for Bieniemy, NYG fans would not go for the carefree improvisational offense the Chiefs have enjoyed/employed. Sure high points scored but the first 3 pick game Jones(or whoever) has the fans would be calling for his head. I'm all for giving Judge another season but not Gettleman. I won't be the least bit surprised with a few tweaks and better player evaluation to see marked improvement. If a coach search ensues, I'm surprised the name Jay Gruden hasn't come up.Where is he now? He basically lost his job over not endorsing the Haskins pick, and was rumored to have wanted Jones. He was having trouble with Daniel Snyders meddling, so whoever was the GM would need to snuff that type of ownership meddling out.
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Post by SG88 on Dec 7, 2021 9:41:28 GMT -5
Aren't they still paying Pat Shurmur for the next two years? Firing Judge would make that two coaches no longer employed by the Giants on their payroll. Lol at the Giants if they will have 3 head coaches on their books. IMO, Judge isn't going anywhere. They will just do what they do best, which is scapegoat someone and Gettleman is the guy this time around. We know who the constants are since 2011 and they don't have the balls to do what needs to be done, which is step away from football operations and just count their stacks.
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Post by cdngfan on Dec 7, 2021 9:47:46 GMT -5
Aren't they still paying Pat Shurmur for the next two years? Firing Judge would make that two coaches no longer employed by the Giants on their payroll. Lol at the Giants if they will have 3 head coaches on their books. IMO, Judge isn't going anywhere. They will just do what they do best, which is scapegoat someone and Gettleman is the guy this time around. We know who the constants are since 2011 and they don't have the balls to do what needs to be done, which is step away from football operations and just count their stacks. Love this. Until they step away, what does it matter? Another up and coming coordinator? Some retread HC? College coach? And fans will cheer and have hope and John will feel good for half a season. And we’ll start this cycle again. Whatever. When you can’t evaluate talent/leadership what does it matter who’s the next guy is that you’ll fire after 34 games?
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Post by mendy on Dec 7, 2021 9:49:10 GMT -5
Brian Daboll , OC Buffalo and Joe Brady OC Panthers. Neither, are having impressive years. Jim Harbaugh, especially if he wins the College Championship. The recent college signing ( Kelly , Tucker and Riley ) , has escalated HC pay scale. Both , at the NFL and College level. Imagine Mara having to pay a HC 5 to 10 million a year. That why Judge ( is cheap ) Will be back next year. Harbaugh is a winner. I don't think he is interested in teams like the Giants with a pecking order that he isn't picking and choosing his own players, think he is gonna want a lot of control over his situation if not full control, Didn't like it in San Fran it's worse here.Harbaugh is not his brother and would be eaten alive by the NY press.
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Post by mendy on Dec 7, 2021 9:54:10 GMT -5
If fans get their way the new GM Riddick will hire Deion Sanders as a HC.
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Post by jmike on Dec 7, 2021 9:56:55 GMT -5
Why is it that no one mentions Byron Leftwich? He's been coaching under Arians for more then a few years now, and should be getting the notice. Does everyone attribute it mostly to Brady? I've heard nothing but good things about him. I can't say I know Leftwich's qualification for head coach. But I do know that his players over the years have an enormous amount of respect for him. So that is a big plus in my book. I don't hear the same things about OCs like Brady and Bienemy. Bienemy seems to depend on the player, they either love him or don't. Plus he has the perception that he is Reid's assistant OC and not really the OC. Brady doesn't sound like a personable guy, which may lead to him struggling to get through to players. Also why he probably dislikes recruiting. If those 3 were the top choices, my preference would be Leftwich. But that is just from what I hear, I'm not going to pretend to have some inside knowledge or expertise in identifying good head coach candidates.
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Post by allnygin on Dec 7, 2021 9:58:06 GMT -5
If fans get their way the new GM Riddick will hire Deion Sanders as a HC. I mean we once had Pat Shurmur and Dave gettlemen as a HC / GM pair, I don't see how that could be any worse.
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Post by mendy on Dec 7, 2021 10:01:53 GMT -5
If fans get their way the new GM Riddick will hire Deion Sanders as a HC. I mean we once had Pat Shurmur and Dave gettlemen as a HC / GM pair, I don't see how that could be any worse. You prove my point about fans .
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Post by mendy on Dec 7, 2021 10:03:02 GMT -5
I would prefer a Defensive mind as the HC maybe this guy Don "Wink" Martindale (Ravens)
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Post by snyder55 on Dec 7, 2021 10:05:03 GMT -5
Brian Daboll , OC Buffalo and Joe Brady OC Panthers. Neither, are having impressive years. Jim Harbaugh, especially if he wins the College Championship. The recent college signing ( Kelly , Tucker and Riley ) , has escalated HC pay scale. Both , at the NFL and College level. Imagine Mara having to pay a HC 5 to 10 million a year. That why Judge ( is cheap ) Will be back next year. depends on whether you want a cheap HC or a successful one I guess...
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Post by allnygin on Dec 7, 2021 10:06:36 GMT -5
I mean we once had Pat Shurmur and Dave gettlemen as a HC / GM pair, I don't see how that could be any worse. You prove my point about fans . I've proved nothing. There was a massive touch of sarcasm that blew right over your head, but if we really want to get into it. But I mean since you threw out the outrageous notion.. Deion Sanders lead Jackson State to their first championship win since 2007. The dude had a long career in the NFL, he might know a little something about ****ing football. Meanwhile the last time Dave Gettlemen was relevant was when he was scouting players over a decade ago. He's just failed a rebuild and Pat Shurmur is back to being an Offensive Coordnator after two debacles.. yeah shurmur and Gettlemen ... sure glad mara called them in.
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