FBomb
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Post by FBomb on Dec 9, 2021 14:46:54 GMT -5
Some of us were rooting hard for Parsons because we knew he was either going to Philly or Dallas if we didn't. Sucks being right. Giants for the last 10 years: Desperately need to build the OL. Giants for the last 5 years: Desperately need a pass rusher. I wanted Parsons or Slater, period. Giants: Trade down. Draft broken shiny WR. The Getty way.
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Post by nick030567 on Dec 9, 2021 14:56:25 GMT -5
Giants for the last 10 years: Desperately need to build the OL. Giants for the last 5 years: Desperately need a pass rusher. I wanted Parsons or Slater, period. Giants: Trade down. Draft broken shiny WR. The Getty way. Sounds like the Reese way too lol It's really the Mara way, I think
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Post by allnygin on Dec 9, 2021 14:57:51 GMT -5
Sounds like the Reese way too lol It's really the Mara way, I think chris mara maybe?
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Post by Dogecoin on Dec 9, 2021 15:12:39 GMT -5
Sounds like the Reese way too lol It's really the Mara way, I think safe to say high water mark for this team was 2nd super bowl over Patriots. After that coughlin became senile and it was clear he had to go. Mcadoo the ok for a season and then hit the wall hard. Shurmur sucked from the beginning, and now judge is currently mimicking McAdoo. In any case gettleman and his drafts and at least one of his HCs have been horrible, like terrible amateurish bad. No I take that back even an amateur would have done the most obvious thing and taken Parsons.
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wtfjjk
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Post by wtfjjk on Dec 9, 2021 15:18:16 GMT -5
Yeah, he was the guy I wanted with the original pick. I thought he'd be a guy we could line up all across the field and he'd be a better pass rusher in the NFL than in college. Would have been great as an all around LB for us. Let's see we get a generational talent with the Chicago pick.
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Post by giantlegacy on Dec 9, 2021 15:52:25 GMT -5
Sounds like the Reese way too lol It's really the Mara way, I think safe to say high water mark for this team was 2nd super bowl over Patriots. After that coughlin became senile and it was clear he had to go. Mcadoo the ok for a season and then hit the wall hard. Shurmur sucked from the beginning, and now judge is currently mimicking McAdoo. In any case gettleman and his drafts and at least one of his HCs have been horrible, like terrible amateurish bad. No I take that back even an amateur would have done the most obvious thing and taken Parsons. The obvious thing was to trade back when the offer presented itself
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Post by thetruth on Dec 9, 2021 16:04:30 GMT -5
Parsons and Slater aren't surprises, but I'd take two very talented players over one. agreed in theory but all-pro LT's are very hard to find. Very hard, you dont get one every year in the draft and its been a position of massive weakness for the Giants. I believe Slater is worth two top 10 draft picks.
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Post by Kruunch on Dec 9, 2021 16:04:45 GMT -5
Parsons is kicking ass and playing on a team that’s going to the playoffs. Yeah, next years picks are really important right now when we’ll be sitting home watching the playoffs with our first round receiver in ICU for blue balls.
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Post by Dogecoin on Dec 9, 2021 16:41:42 GMT -5
Parsons is kicking ass and playing on a team that’s going to the playoffs. Yeah, next years picks are really important right now when we’ll be sitting home watching the playoffs with our first round receiver in ICU for blue balls. he'll clearly be defensive rookie of the year, outside shot at defensive MVP too
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Post by snyder55 on Dec 9, 2021 16:48:08 GMT -5
anybody else getting tired of waiting until next year, its starting to be the same old routine, "next year" we'll do this or next year we'll do that, it sucks...
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Post by hadenough on Dec 9, 2021 16:51:40 GMT -5
Have the Giants ever hit correctly with their draft pick/s?.
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Post by snyder55 on Dec 9, 2021 16:55:17 GMT -5
the last place I wanted to see Parsons go if we didn't take him was to the Cowboys, and there he is...
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Post by snyder55 on Dec 9, 2021 17:05:47 GMT -5
whats the difference between the way the Cowboys are run and the Giants, they always seem to have a decent team .Do they have a smarter owner, better coaching or a better GM, we just don't seem to be progressing the way they are, we're down at the bottom and they are always somewhere in the middle or near the top.
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Post by kerryisdaman on Dec 9, 2021 17:18:40 GMT -5
It would be great to have him but given our team I'd be just as happy or happier with Slater right now.
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Post by Dogecoin on Dec 13, 2021 8:10:09 GMT -5
Parsons had 2 sacks yesterday including a forced fumble. He's only 2.5 behind Kearse rookie record of 14.5 and almost sure to break it. There's no way we get a difference maker like him with the pick from bears next year. Possibly even next week against us and the statuesque Mike Glennon Parsons breaks or at least ties kearse record, adding insult to injury.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Dec 13, 2021 10:56:58 GMT -5
This truly is a God damn kick in the balls. This is exactly what this organization needed. And they passed it up. Shame on DG for pretending to be a GM.
Parsons is basically getting "LT" type praise right now. And we gave him to the Cowboys.
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Post by jerseyrattler on Dec 13, 2021 12:41:54 GMT -5
This truly is a God damn kick in the balls. This is exactly what this organization needed. And they passed it up. Shame on DG for pretending to be a GM. Parsons is basically getting "LT" type praise right now. And we gave him to the Cowboys. You were doing good until you stated the above in bold. Kid's good but There's only 1 "LT"
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Post by TheAnalyst on Dec 13, 2021 13:00:09 GMT -5
This truly is a God damn kick in the balls. This is exactly what this organization needed. And they passed it up. Shame on DG for pretending to be a GM. Parsons is basically getting "LT" type praise right now. And we gave him to the Cowboys. You were doing good until you stated the above in bold. Kid's good but There's only 1 "LT" I know, its sacrilegious, especially here, but he is on short lists for DPOY as a rookie. Don't get me wrong, Im not saying he IS the next LT, but he is having a rookie season very comparable. Parsons already blew past LTs sack mark his rookie year, LT had unofficially 9.5 while Parsons has 12. Parsons has 75 tackles on the DLine. He has 3 FFs to LTs rookie year 5. He is the soul, already, of the Dallas defense IMO. He has a nasty attitude like LT did as he muttered "I dont think the NFL is that hard" after yesterdays game. He has at least 1 sack in 6 straight games. He is a monster we will regret not taking. To be fair though, I also thought Jaylon Smith was a monster and probably would have been an all time great if not for that injury.
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Post by Dogecoin on Dec 13, 2021 14:21:36 GMT -5
You were doing good until you stated the above in bold. Kid's good but There's only 1 "LT" I know, its sacrilegious, especially here, but he is on short lists for DPOY as a rookie. Don't get me wrong, Im not saying he IS the next LT, but he is having a rookie season very comparable. Parsons already blew past LTs sack mark his rookie year, LT had unofficially 9.5 while Parsons has 12. Parsons has 75 tackles on the DLine. He has 3 FFs to LTs rookie year 5. He is the soul, already, of the Dallas defense IMO. He has a nasty attitude like LT did as he muttered "I dont think the NFL is that hard" after yesterdays game. He has at least 1 sack in 6 straight games. He is a monster we will regret not taking. To be fair though, I also thought Jaylon Smith was a monster and probably would have been an all time great if not for that injury. without him, Smith is still starting and WFT is probably in 1st place (worst case tied for 1st); Dak is regressing and Zeke is already not a factor. That was so obvious a pick it seemed even Gettleman couldnt screw it up, yet he did. We have the most incompetent GM in the NFL -- period.
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Post by Rangers13 on Dec 14, 2021 10:08:27 GMT -5
You were doing good until you stated the above in bold. Kid's good but There's only 1 "LT" I know, its sacrilegious, especially here, but he is on short lists for DPOY as a rookie. Don't get me wrong, Im not saying he IS the next LT, but he is having a rookie season very comparable. Parsons already blew past LTs sack mark his rookie year, LT had unofficially 9.5 while Parsons has 12. Parsons has 75 tackles on the DLine. He has 3 FFs to LTs rookie year 5. He is the soul, already, of the Dallas defense IMO. He has a nasty attitude like LT did as he muttered "I dont think the NFL is that hard" after yesterdays game. He has at least 1 sack in 6 straight games. He is a monster we will regret not taking. To be fair though, I also thought Jaylon Smith was a monster and probably would have been an all time great if not for that injury. it’s ridiculous. It’s not even the same league. With so many passes and so/so linemen Taylor would probably have 30 sacks this season.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Dec 14, 2021 10:28:10 GMT -5
I know, its sacrilegious, especially here, but he is on short lists for DPOY as a rookie. Don't get me wrong, Im not saying he IS the next LT, but he is having a rookie season very comparable. Parsons already blew past LTs sack mark his rookie year, LT had unofficially 9.5 while Parsons has 12. Parsons has 75 tackles on the DLine. He has 3 FFs to LTs rookie year 5. He is the soul, already, of the Dallas defense IMO. He has a nasty attitude like LT did as he muttered "I dont think the NFL is that hard" after yesterdays game. He has at least 1 sack in 6 straight games. He is a monster we will regret not taking. To be fair though, I also thought Jaylon Smith was a monster and probably would have been an all time great if not for that injury. it’s ridiculous. It’s not even the same league. With so many passes and so/so linemen Taylor would probably have 30 sacks this season. Ok, I dont think you are quite understanding the concept here. When you put LTs rookie year and so far Micah Parsons rookie year side by side, it is very comparable. The impact Parsons has for that defense is tremendous. As a rookie. He is one of the best pass rushing rookies I have seen in a long time. And one of the reasons why Dallas is where they are right now. 9-4 and looking to have a great shot at a SB run. Its ok to admit it. Now for Parsons to be any where near LTs level going forward, he would need to continue to dominate for a long time. Im just snap shotting the rookie years though.
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Post by Rangers13 on Dec 14, 2021 10:33:58 GMT -5
it’s ridiculous. It’s not even the same league. With so many passes and so/so linemen Taylor would probably have 30 sacks this season. Ok, I dont think you are quite understanding the concept here. When you put LTs rookie year and so far Micah Parsons rookie year side by side, it is very comparable. The impact Parsons has for that defense is tremendous. As a rookie. He is one of the best pass rushing rookies I have seen in a long time. And one of the reasons why Dallas is where they are right now. 9-4 and looking to have a great shot at a SB run. Its ok to admit it. Now for Parsons to be any where near LTs level going forward, he would need to continue to dominate for a long time. Im just snap shotting the rookie years though. put Parsons back in 1981 and he’s stats are less than 9.5 sacks. I understand the concept fine.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Dec 14, 2021 11:15:09 GMT -5
Ok, I dont think you are quite understanding the concept here. When you put LTs rookie year and so far Micah Parsons rookie year side by side, it is very comparable. The impact Parsons has for that defense is tremendous. As a rookie. He is one of the best pass rushing rookies I have seen in a long time. And one of the reasons why Dallas is where they are right now. 9-4 and looking to have a great shot at a SB run. Its ok to admit it. Now for Parsons to be any where near LTs level going forward, he would need to continue to dominate for a long time. Im just snap shotting the rookie years though. put Parsons back in 1981 and he’s stats are less than 9.5 sacks. I understand the concept fine. Now thats ridiculous. Why would you put Parsons back in 1981 in a fictitious scenario? In that case, if you made LT a rookie right now, he would be suspended all the time and he couldn't do half of what he did back in 1981 on the field because its illegal. Put some of the great QBs of this era, BRady and Manning and Mahomes, in 1981 and see them be average QBs. It makes no sense to play the time machine game. Parsons is a legit beast and transforms that defense.
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Post by Rangers13 on Dec 14, 2021 11:22:57 GMT -5
put Parsons back in 1981 and he’s stats are less than 9.5 sacks. I understand the concept fine. Now thats ridiculous. Why would you put Parsons back in 1981 in a fictitious scenario? In that case, if you made LT a rookie right now, he would be suspended all the time and he couldn't do half of what he did back in 1981 on the field because its illegal. Put some of the great QBs of this era, BRady and Manning and Mahomes, in 1981 and see them be average QBs. It makes no sense to play the time machine game. Parsons is a legit beast and transforms that defense. Go watch for Taylor highlights to put your theory to bed. Find when Parsons cuts behind the LOS and runs down HB's on a regular basis, runs downa Billy Simms from behind, single handedly destroys offenses, etc. You can archive this theory along with rest looking at sack stats in the Lavar Arrington, JJ Watt, etc folder.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Dec 14, 2021 11:35:44 GMT -5
Now thats ridiculous. Why would you put Parsons back in 1981 in a fictitious scenario? In that case, if you made LT a rookie right now, he would be suspended all the time and he couldn't do half of what he did back in 1981 on the field because its illegal. Put some of the great QBs of this era, BRady and Manning and Mahomes, in 1981 and see them be average QBs. It makes no sense to play the time machine game. Parsons is a legit beast and transforms that defense. Go watch for Taylor highlights to put your theory to bed. Find when Parsons cuts behind the LOS and runs down HB's on a regular basis, runs downa Billy Simms from behind, single handedly destroys offenses, etc. You can archive this theory along with rest looking at sack stats in the Lavar Arrington, JJ Watt, etc folder. Jeez. Ill say it one more time and leave it at that, no one is saying Parsons IS Lawrence Taylor, but when you are a DPOY candidate as a rookie and making tremendous plays left and right, sacking QBs (12 in 13 games), making tackles (17 TFL is 2nd in the NFL, 1 behind Bosa), transforming a defense most thought would be a weak spot, you can get the complementary talk of being compared to the all time great when looking at their rookie years. Parsons is doing much more than just sacking QBs right now. He is a game changer. As a rookie.
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Post by Rangers13 on Dec 14, 2021 11:41:56 GMT -5
Go watch for Taylor highlights to put your theory to bed. Find when Parsons cuts behind the LOS and runs down HB's on a regular basis, runs downa Billy Simms from behind, single handedly destroys offenses, etc. You can archive this theory along with rest looking at sack stats in the Lavar Arrington, JJ Watt, etc folder. Jeez. Ill say it one more time and leave it at that, no one is saying Parsons IS Lawrence Taylor, but when you are a DPOY candidate as a rookie and making tremendous plays left and right, sacking QBs (12 in 13 games), making tackles (17 TFL is 2nd in the NFL, 1 behind Bosa), transforming a defense most thought would be a weak spot, you can get the complementary talk of being compared to the all time great when looking at their rookie years. Parsons is doing much more than just sacking QBs right now. He is a game changer. As a rookie. If you didn’t mention Taylor i wouldn’t care or be responding.
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Post by Dogecoin on Dec 14, 2021 22:31:37 GMT -5
Who did our draft gettleman or judge? Gettleman should be fired no matter, and judge should be too if he's the one decided to pass on Parsons.
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Post by Morehead State on Dec 15, 2021 10:24:26 GMT -5
Who did our draft gettleman or judge? Gettleman should be fired no matter, and judge should be too if he's the one decided to pass on Parsons. Stop whining about Parsons. He hadn't played football in over a year. It was a huge risk. The Cowboys rolled the dice and they got lucky. They wouldn't have taken him either if the two CB's hadn't been taken already. Dave is a dope, but that trade we made with Chicago was a really good one. We will have two top 7 picks. Let's see how that turns out before we whine about it.
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Post by snyder55 on Dec 15, 2021 10:40:31 GMT -5
Who did our draft gettleman or judge? Gettleman should be fired no matter, and judge should be too if he's the one decided to pass on Parsons. Stop whining about Parsons. He hadn't played football in over a year. It was a huge risk. The Cowboys rolled the dice and they got lucky. They wouldn't have taken him either if the two CB's hadn't been taken already. Dave is a dope, but that trade we made with Chicago was a really good one. We will have two top 7 picks. Let's see how that turns out before we whine about it. the good part of that is that maybe Dave Gettleman won't be making those picks, I like DG but he seems to shit his pants too often...
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Post by Morehead State on Dec 15, 2021 10:51:02 GMT -5
Stop whining about Parsons. He hadn't played football in over a year. It was a huge risk. The Cowboys rolled the dice and they got lucky. They wouldn't have taken him either if the two CB's hadn't been taken already. Dave is a dope, but that trade we made with Chicago was a really good one. We will have two top 7 picks. Let's see how that turns out before we whine about it. the good part of that is that maybe Dave Gettleman won't be making those picks, I like DG but he seems to shit his pants too often... I agree that Dave is a dope but as I have said over the past two years, Joe Judge is driving our drafts anymore. That's why the last two drafts have been much better. All bets are obviously off with a new GM but I can't complain about guys like Thomas, McKinney, Toney, Ojulari and Robinson. What I DO complain about is Dave's team building methods......which are locked in the 20th century.
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