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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 14, 2021 9:47:45 GMT -5
When Williams went down Lawrence dominated anyone they put in front of him, he had 6 tackles a couple for loss 1sack and some solid pressures was the best DL on the field for either team, Think the staff needs to look at how they used him from that point on and keep doing it. Also out every pass rusher including Bosa who had 1 tackle and 1 sack, he averaged 3.86 yards from the QB almost a full yard closer then anyone else on either team, I don't expect this staff to capitalize but I hope they do. After all this is the same staff starting a backup QB and finally getting Barkely and Booker going abandoned it before the game got out of hand 9 carries the first half against the worst run D in the league. NO EXCUSE FOR THIS TYPE OF FAILURE.
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Post by jerky on Dec 14, 2021 9:49:41 GMT -5
they abandon the run early in every game regardless of the score. it makes no sense to me. Especially with a backup QB, this is supposed to be the time to lean on your RBs, especially one they consider to be great.
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Post by Kruunch on Dec 14, 2021 9:52:05 GMT -5
He played fantastic Sunday. He has been nonexistent all season, all of last season for that matters. But, he’s way too good to be this inconsistent.
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Post by Fletch842 on Dec 14, 2021 9:56:05 GMT -5
they abandon the run early in every game regardless of the score. it makes no sense to me. Especially with a backup QB, this is supposed to be the time to lean on your RBs, especially one they consider to be great. especially when you are playing one of the worst run defenses in the league.
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Post by fifthavephil on Dec 14, 2021 9:58:57 GMT -5
When Williams went down Lawrence dominated anyone they put in front of him, he had 6 tackles a couple for loss 1sack and some solid pressures was the best DL on the field for either team, Think the staff needs to look at how they used him from that point on and keep doing it. Also out every pass rusher including Bosa who had 1 tackle and 1 sack, he averaged 3.86 yards from the QB almost a full yard closer then anyone else on either team, I don't expect this staff to capitalize but I hope they do. After all this is the same staff starting a backup QB and finally getting Barkely and Booker going abandoned it before the game got out of hand 9 carries the first half against the worst run D in the league. NO EXCUSE FOR THIS TYPE OF FAILURE. Did not watch the game. What, did Lawrence do different ? Did he line up differently or he just step ip his game ?
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Post by McCherry on Dec 14, 2021 10:21:08 GMT -5
Lawrence has always been a top D linemen in QB pressure and against the run. This year his run d has suffered, but I think he's 17th overall in pressures. He's a good player, he’s not going to put up fancy stats as a 3-4 DE.
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Post by TCHOF on Dec 14, 2021 10:35:06 GMT -5
Lawrence has always been a top D linemen in QB pressure and against the run. This year his run d has suffered, but I think he's 17th overall in pressures. He's a good player, he’s not going to put up fancy stats as a 3-4 DE. A #17 pick needs to be better than a "good" player
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Post by McCherry on Dec 14, 2021 10:39:58 GMT -5
Lawrence has always been a top D linemen in QB pressure and against the run. This year his run d has suffered, but I think he's 17th overall in pressures. He's a good player, he’s not going to put up fancy stats as a 3-4 DE. A #17 pick needs to be better than a "good" player He's a top-20 DL, I think that's pretty good. He needs to keep getting better, but this is not a player I'm worried about.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Dec 14, 2021 10:40:46 GMT -5
Lawrence played great. It's the first time all year I was impressed with his play. He was penetrating into the backfield stopping run plays, he was slamming runners down, I really was noticing him in a blow out. If he was angry then kick him in the shin before each game.
Did they move him to the left side of the D line at LW's spot ? I thought he came from the D's left side.
As far as the run I thought it was the best Barkley played all year. Yes we should have run the ball more. Booker ran tough also. I loved those 7 yard bursts thru their line regularly. We only had around 100 yds rushing we could have added another 50 at least. And lets use Penny down at the goal line he is a tough inside runner. Sunday he had a TD catch and a 2 pt conversion.
And everyone knows football 101 running the ball eating the clock keeping the opposing QB's TOP down. With Dak following Herbert maybe we should put this up on a wall in the locker room this week.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2021 11:59:10 GMT -5
When Williams went down Lawrence dominated anyone they put in front of him, he had 6 tackles a couple for loss 1sack and some solid pressures was the best DL on the field for either team, Think the staff needs to look at how they used him from that point on and keep doing it. Also out every pass rusher including Bosa who had 1 tackle and 1 sack, he averaged 3.86 yards from the QB almost a full yard closer then anyone else on either team, I don't expect this staff to capitalize but I hope they do. After all this is the same staff starting a backup QB and finally getting Barkely and Booker going abandoned it before the game got out of hand 9 carries the first half against the worst run D in the league. NO EXCUSE FOR THIS TYPE OF FAILURE. Did not watch the game. What, did Lawrence do different ? Did he line up differently or he just step ip his game ? He was making plays in the back field..
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Post by kerryisdaman on Dec 14, 2021 12:04:02 GMT -5
He looked like a different player in a very good way. Giants coaches should get him in the film room and ask him what he thought made the difference and work with him on that.
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Post by thetruth on Dec 14, 2021 12:39:13 GMT -5
When Williams went down Lawrence dominated anyone they put in front of him, he had 6 tackles a couple for loss 1sack and some solid pressures was the best DL on the field for either team, Think the staff needs to look at how they used him from that point on and keep doing it. Also out every pass rusher including Bosa who had 1 tackle and 1 sack, he averaged 3.86 yards from the QB almost a full yard closer then anyone else on either team, I don't expect this staff to capitalize but I hope they do. After all this is the same staff starting a backup QB and finally getting Barkely and Booker going abandoned it before the game got out of hand 9 carries the first half against the worst run D in the league. NO EXCUSE FOR THIS TYPE OF FAILURE. Lawerence has no pass rush skills at all. Austin Johnson IMO is more of a replacement. Dex is a second round, low value, high floor player we took in the first.
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Post by Kase1 on Dec 14, 2021 12:48:08 GMT -5
Watching D-Law in college he looked like he was going to be a hell of a pro. Sadly he was surrounded with talent on that Clemson DL, which most likely hid his weaknesses.
I don't think he was a bust or a poor pick, but I sure would like to see him turn the corner and really turn into a force on our DL.
I personally think that if we put him on the outside shoulder of the guards he would have more success, but that would require a bona-fide NT lining up in the 0 or 1 tech.... Then again I'm just a couch scout, LOL
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Post by fifthavephil on Dec 14, 2021 14:38:40 GMT -5
Watching D-Law in college he looked like he was going to be a hell of a pro. Sadly he was surrounded with talent on that Clemson DL, which most likely hid his weaknesses. I don't think he was a bust or a poor pick, but I sure would like to see him turn the corner and really turn into a force on our DL. I personally think that if we put him on the outside shoulder of the guards he would have more success, but that would require a bona-fide NT lining up in the 0 or 1 tech.... Then again I'm just a couch scout, LOL Giants had him, but let him walk. For a reasonable rate.
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Post by allnygin on Dec 14, 2021 14:40:29 GMT -5
When Williams went down Lawrence dominated anyone they put in front of him, he had 6 tackles a couple for loss 1sack and some solid pressures was the best DL on the field for either team, Think the staff needs to look at how they used him from that point on and keep doing it. Also out every pass rusher including Bosa who had 1 tackle and 1 sack, he averaged 3.86 yards from the QB almost a full yard closer then anyone else on either team, I don't expect this staff to capitalize but I hope they do. After all this is the same staff starting a backup QB and finally getting Barkely and Booker going abandoned it before the game got out of hand 9 carries the first half against the worst run D in the league. NO EXCUSE FOR THIS TYPE OF FAILURE. Lawrence is just a guy. Still resent the fact they drafted him with the 17th overall pick, but i'll be curious to see what he looks like these last few games.
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Post by Modog on Dec 14, 2021 14:57:13 GMT -5
Giants always had success drafting DT in the 2nd round. Linval Joseph, Dalvin Tomlinson,Jonathan Hankins even Marvin Austin before injuries got to him. I would say overall the Giants have been good with coaching up DTs
I hate they drafted him where they did at 17, needed a Edge.
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Post by mikethenygfan on Dec 14, 2021 15:26:32 GMT -5
Giants always had success drafting DT in the 2nd round. Linval Joseph, Dalvin Tomlinson,Jonathan Hankins even Marvin Austin before injuries got to him. I would say overall the Giants have been good with coaching up DTs I hate they drafted him where they did at 17, needed a Edge. just curious, what edge rushers could we have taken at 17?
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Post by thetruth on Dec 14, 2021 15:30:54 GMT -5
Giants always had success drafting DT in the 2nd round. Linval Joseph, Dalvin Tomlinson,Jonathan Hankins even Marvin Austin before injuries got to him. I would say overall the Giants have been good with coaching up DTs I hate they drafted him where they did at 17, needed a Edge. just curious, what edge rushers could we have taken at 17? Montez Sweat. Or even Maxx Crosby.. well, we could taken Maxx in the third, took Ximines over him, though. Just 11 picks ahead! Drafting a run stuffing DT at #17 was a terrible decision. For a terrible GM. those that paid attention knew it at that time that taking a run stuffing DT was not needed that high in the draft
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Post by TheAussieGiant on Dec 14, 2021 16:57:11 GMT -5
Any time I hear Dex and Leo mic'ed up they are always communicating with each other. Sounds like they specifically rush to set each other up, it wouldn't surprise me if Dex constantly draws the grunt work to create space for Leo.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 14, 2021 19:19:06 GMT -5
When Williams went down Lawrence dominated anyone they put in front of him, he had 6 tackles a couple for loss 1sack and some solid pressures was the best DL on the field for either team, Think the staff needs to look at how they used him from that point on and keep doing it. Also out every pass rusher including Bosa who had 1 tackle and 1 sack, he averaged 3.86 yards from the QB almost a full yard closer then anyone else on either team, I don't expect this staff to capitalize but I hope they do. After all this is the same staff starting a backup QB and finally getting Barkely and Booker going abandoned it before the game got out of hand 9 carries the first half against the worst run D in the league. NO EXCUSE FOR THIS TYPE OF FAILURE. Lawrence is just a guy. Still resent the fact they drafted him with the 17th overall pick, but i'll be curious to see what he looks like these last few games. We will see never thought of him as just a guy. he started slow this year but has been good the rest of the way. I resent the fact they could have drafted a good edge player instead that isn't his fault tho.
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Post by allnygin on Dec 14, 2021 19:31:17 GMT -5
Lawrence is just a guy. Still resent the fact they drafted him with the 17th overall pick, but i'll be curious to see what he looks like these last few games. We will see never thought of him as just a guy. he started slow this year but has been good the rest of the way. I resent the fact they could have drafted a good edge player instead that isn't his fault tho. From past discussions I know you like Dex and that's cool he's a good player, and who know's maybe he'll keep getting better. My issue with dex isn't with dex it's with the guy that chose him where he did in the draft. Dex is a good player at what he does, but I think Gettlemen over valued the type of player he is.
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Post by cruzsoldier on Dec 14, 2021 20:14:10 GMT -5
Lawrence has always been a top D linemen in QB pressure and against the run. This year his run d has suffered, but I think he's 17th overall in pressures. He's a good player, he’s not going to put up fancy stats as a 3-4 DE. A #17 pick needs to be better than a "good" player While watching the game I just see him as a JAG(Just a guy) you rarely see him flash that's just what I see when i'm watching. If the norm is that he doesn't make plays i'd go with that being the type of player he is just a guy.
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Post by vinnie on Dec 14, 2021 21:17:00 GMT -5
just curious, what edge rushers could we have taken at 17? Montez Sweat. Or even Maxx Crosby.. well, we could taken Maxx in the third, took Ximines over him, though. Just 11 picks ahead! Drafting a run stuffing DT at #17 was a terrible decision. For a terrible GM. those that paid attention knew it at that time that taking a run stuffing DT was not needed that high in the draft I was livid we didn’t get Sweat, I thought that was the for sure pick. Of course I also thought we would go with Allen over Jones and the rumors of us picking Jones were just that. I should have known better being that the incompetent, worthless, buffoon, fraud of a GM was the one making the picks.
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Post by vinnie on Dec 14, 2021 21:22:35 GMT -5
A #17 pick needs to be better than a "good" player While watching the game I just see him as a JAG(Just a guy) you rarely see him flash that's just what I see when i'm watching. If the norm is that he doesn't make plays i'd go with that being the type of player he is just a guy. That’s exactly what he is, a JAG, but there are always those who like to dish out praise to a player and/or GM after one or two good games when the rest are average at best. Hell, I don’t even trust a player or coach after one good full season. String together two, good, full, consistent seasons and my interest will be piqued.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 14, 2021 21:47:22 GMT -5
We will see never thought of him as just a guy. he started slow this year but has been good the rest of the way. I resent the fact they could have drafted a good edge player instead that isn't his fault tho. From past discussions I know you like Dex and that's cool he's a good player, and who know's maybe he'll keep getting better. My issue with dex isn't with dex it's with the guy that chose him where he did in the draft. Dex is a good player at what he does, but I think Gettlemen over valued the type of player he is. When they drafted him they needed a big bodied DT they only had DT I get why in college he was a beast against the run and showed pass rush ability he still pushes the pocket might be tougher now he will be getting a double and chip.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 14, 2021 21:59:39 GMT -5
When Williams went down Lawrence dominated anyone they put in front of him, he had 6 tackles a couple for loss 1sack and some solid pressures was the best DL on the field for either team, Think the staff needs to look at how they used him from that point on and keep doing it. Also out every pass rusher including Bosa who had 1 tackle and 1 sack, he averaged 3.86 yards from the QB almost a full yard closer then anyone else on either team, I don't expect this staff to capitalize but I hope they do. After all this is the same staff starting a backup QB and finally getting Barkely and Booker going abandoned it before the game got out of hand 9 carries the first half against the worst run D in the league. NO EXCUSE FOR THIS TYPE OF FAILURE. Did not watch the game. What, did Lawrence do different ? Did he line up differently or he just step ip his game ? Not sure just saw the stat line which is usually good but this week it was exceptional and it coincides with the loss of Leo.
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