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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2021 15:46:48 GMT -5
If you were GM and could have had Josh Allen and instead took Saquon Barkley (nobody takes a running back at #2) how would you feel today?
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Post by Kruunch on Dec 14, 2021 15:56:43 GMT -5
We missed out on both Josh Allen’s. This is what happens when your GM looks at the draft like a game of go fish, when everyone is playing chess.
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Post by fifthavephil on Dec 14, 2021 16:13:07 GMT -5
I and many wanted :
1) Josh Allen ( QB )
2) Trade slightly down. A) Pickup extra draft picks . ( Like Colts GM Ballard did with Jets ) Then , Giants could have drafted Q. Nelson or Bradley Chubb. It is even possible Barkley would have been available.
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Post by nyg2 on Dec 14, 2021 16:27:21 GMT -5
I and many wanted : 1) Josh Allen ( QB ) Interesting, because your only post from 2018 on Josh Allen was that he looks like a 4th round pick. Not that it matters because most posters signed up on this board after the 2018 draft, hence no way of verifying such claims. Many Giants fans wanted Sam Darnold or Josh Rosen, so anyone claiming otherwise is purely revisionist history considering that Josh Allen was ranked on most boards as the 3rd or 4th best QB. Neither was Josh Allen last year. That said, he looks to be a fourth round pick at present time.
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Post by McCherry on Dec 14, 2021 16:34:47 GMT -5
I and many wanted : 1) Josh Allen ( QB ) Interesting, because your only post from 2018 on Josh Allen was that he looks like a 4th round pick. Not that it matters because most posters signed up on this board after the 2018 draft, hence no way of verifying such claims. Many Giants fans wanted Sam Darnold or Josh Rosen, so anyone claiming otherwise is purely revisionist history considering that Josh Allen was ranked on most boards as the 3rd or 4th best QB. Shurmur wasn't a big fan of Allen, so it wasn't going to happen. Scouts were either very hot, or very cool on him. Very little middle ground. Good for the Bills, they were a bad team for a long time.
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Post by SG88 on Dec 14, 2021 16:34:56 GMT -5
I and many wanted : 1) Josh Allen ( QB ) Interesting, because your only post from 2018 on Josh Allen was that he looks like a 4th round pick. Not that it matters because most posters signed up on this board after the 2018 draft, hence no way of verifying such claims. Many Giants fans wanted Sam Darnold or Josh Rosen, so anyone claiming otherwise is purely revisionist history considering that Josh Allen was ranked on most boards as the 3rd or 4th best QB. Neither was Josh Allen last year. That said, he looks to be a fourth round pick at present time. Damn, you actually went back to his previous posts from over 3 years ago? 😳
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Post by wtfjjk on Dec 14, 2021 16:40:54 GMT -5
I and many wanted : 1) Josh Allen ( QB ) 2) Trade slightly down. A) Pickup extra draft picks . ( Like Colts GM Ballard did with Jets ) Then , Giants could have drafted Q. Nelson or Bradley Chubb. It is even possible Barkley would have been available. I wish there was some way we could have traded the #2 for more picks. It was clear they weren't in love with any of the QBs in the class so that was the move. But Gettleman didn't even field any calls (or so he said when interviewed for the pick). When the pick came in, I tried to convince myself that we had a LaDanian Tomlinson type RB who would be with us for 10 years with the fear that he would get injured and bust up his knee. And here we are. Then the next year, Mara mandated a QB be drafted and I remember listening to Mike and Mike morning show on my commute and the Giants forecasted to the world they were going QB. That's how we reached for a 2nd round QB and now we're in QB hell instead of getting who everyone was screaming at the tv to get (Josh Allen, DE). Only good thing about this is it's too soon to reach for another one in the next draft. I hope we can some QB hungry teams to trade up for one of our picks and we get another first for 2023.
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Post by nyg2 on Dec 14, 2021 16:44:00 GMT -5
Damn, you actually went back to his previous posts from over 3 years ago? 😳 Just used the search bar. Lol. If you're going to make a claim about how you wanted a player shouldn't your posts reflect that?
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Post by jintslifer1 on Dec 14, 2021 16:48:55 GMT -5
It’s hard to even understand how bad this team got gotten. There’s no doubt now where blame belongs. It starts w the top now. What an absolutely horrible thing to happen. We’ve had some good players waste there primes here with no promise in sight.
My son and I never missed a giants game. I still never miss a game. But my 24 year old had lost interest because the giants are just so bad. So that’s really hard for me to process. I just hope we can get the right people in place soon. I don’t even get mad at losing anymore. I’m just numb to it.
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Post by BronxBomberBlue on Dec 14, 2021 16:51:57 GMT -5
I don't know what's worse? Passing up on Josh Allen (I will admit I wanted Darnold in the worst way) for Saquon.
Or drafting Daniel Jones a year later so we would have no interest in drafting Justin Herbert in the 2020 draft.
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Post by nyg2 on Dec 14, 2021 16:52:34 GMT -5
Shurmur wasn't a big fan of Allen, so it wasn't going to happen. Scouts were either very hot, or very cool on him. Very little middle ground. Good for the Bills, they were a bad team for a long time. This notion that if we did take a QB, we would've taken him is absolutely absurd, he was ranked as the 3rd or 4th best QB prospect. Even if we did draft Josh Allen, no guarantee that he would've been the same player as he currently is with the Bills it took him two years for him to fully develop as a QB.
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Post by DandyDon on Dec 14, 2021 17:33:28 GMT -5
Shurmur wasn't a big fan of Allen, so it wasn't going to happen. Scouts were either very hot, or very cool on him. Very little middle ground. Good for the Bills, they were a bad team for a long time. This notion that if we did take a QB, we would've taken him is absolutely absurd, he was ranked as the 3rd or 4th best QB prospect. Even if we did draft Josh Allen, no guarantee that he would've been the same player as he currently is with the Bills it took him two years for him to fully develop as a QB. I wanted Allen. But there's no proof he would have succeeded here with the team around him.
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Post by te88 on Dec 14, 2021 17:40:12 GMT -5
They would have ruined Allen at QB.
Q Nelson was the pick. Even at 2. But they could have swung a little trade down easy and still nabbed him.
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Post by fifthavephil on Dec 14, 2021 17:56:12 GMT -5
Damn, you actually went back to his previous posts from over 3 years ago? 😳 Just used the search bar. Lol. If you're going to make a claim about how you wanted a player shouldn't your posts reflect that? You, should have looked at the date it was posted. September 15th , 2018 ! I am positive , ( QB ) Josh Allen was in the NFL playing professional. Drafted in April of 2018 !!! I was referring to Josh Allen ( LB ) , in the upcoming draft.
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Post by SG88 on Dec 14, 2021 17:57:53 GMT -5
Damn, you actually went back to his previous posts from over 3 years ago? 😳 Using the search function takes about 5 seconds. It's not as if he scrolled through 3 years worth of posts (which isn't even possible given the 34 page limit in one's profile). Oh I see. Thanks to both of you for letting me know how to do that. I typically just post. I tried the search option once or twice and didn't find what I was looking for.
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Post by DandyDon on Dec 14, 2021 18:26:18 GMT -5
They would have ruined Allen at QB. Q Nelson was the pick. Even at 2. But they could have swung a little trade down easy and still nabbed him. They probably would have ruined Allen. But almost anything would have been better than SB. I think he "was" incredibly talented. But it was a horrible assessment of the team when he made the pick. I still would never pick an RB at 2. But for the Giants at that time it was just silly.
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Post by Delicreep on Dec 14, 2021 20:13:59 GMT -5
I and many wanted : 1) Josh Allen ( QB ) Interesting, because your only post from 2018 on Josh Allen was that he looks like a 4th round pick. Not that it matters because most posters signed up on this board after the 2018 draft, hence no way of verifying such claims. Many Giants fans wanted Sam Darnold or Josh Rosen, so anyone claiming otherwise is purely revisionist history considering that Josh Allen was ranked on most boards as the 3rd or 4th best QB. Neither was Josh Allen last year. That said, he looks to be a fourth round pick at present time. ...damn
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Post by Delicreep on Dec 14, 2021 20:16:09 GMT -5
Just used the search bar. Lol. If you're going to make a claim about how you wanted a player shouldn't your posts reflect that? You, should have looked at the date it was posted. September 15th , 2018 ! I am positive , ( QB ) Josh Allen was in the NFL playing professional. Drafted in April of 2018 !!! I was referring to Josh Allen ( LB ) , in the upcoming draft. Wait...you though Josh Allen the LB looked like a 4th rounder?
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Post by cruzsoldier on Dec 14, 2021 20:16:19 GMT -5
I and many wanted : 1) Josh Allen ( QB ) 2) Trade slightly down. A) Pickup extra draft picks . ( Like Colts GM Ballard did with Jets ) Then , Giants could have drafted Q. Nelson or Bradley Chubb. It is even possible Barkley would have been available. I remember when FBOMB called it weeks before that the GIANTS were going to take JONES with the 6th pick overall 100% bet on it. I wanted to throw up that day in Nashville.
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Post by cruzsoldier on Dec 14, 2021 20:19:24 GMT -5
I and many wanted : 1) Josh Allen ( QB ) 2) Trade slightly down. A) Pickup extra draft picks . ( Like Colts GM Ballard did with Jets ) Then , Giants could have drafted Q. Nelson or Bradley Chubb. It is even possible Barkley would have been available. I remember when FBOMB called it weeks before that the GIANTS were going to take JONES with the 6th pick overall 100% bet on it. I wanted to throw up that day in Nashville. I wanted Chubb 1st and Josh Rosen 2nd but we got Barkley to go with the GREAT ELI. Remember Gettlemen said the talk that ELI couldn't play was "Hogwash" yeah you must have only watched the Eagles game that season cause Eli was terrible the year prior,that season and the season to come.
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Dec 14, 2021 20:21:03 GMT -5
As if Allen would have made this team better.
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Dec 14, 2021 20:24:20 GMT -5
Jettisoned Zeitler. Could have had Quentin Nelson, could have had Rashawn Slater. This team has a glaring deficiency that we have managed to address at exactly 1 position in 4 years. That’s pathetic.
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Post by fifthavephil on Dec 14, 2021 21:42:24 GMT -5
You, should have looked at the date it was posted. September 15th , 2018 ! I am positive , ( QB ) Josh Allen was in the NFL playing professional. Drafted in April of 2018 !!! I was referring to Josh Allen ( LB ) , in the upcoming draft. Wait...you though Josh Allen the LB looked like a 4th rounder? That was from a draft site .I had never heard of him. I never followed Kentucky football. Eventually, I knew he would be a top ten pick.
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Post by fifthavephil on Dec 14, 2021 21:50:24 GMT -5
I remember when FBOMB called it weeks before that the GIANTS were going to take JONES with the 6th pick overall 100% bet on it. I wanted to throw up that day in Nashville. I wanted Chubb 1st and Josh Rosen 2nd but we got Barkley to go with the GREAT ELI. Remember Gettlemen said the talk that ELI couldn't play was "Hogwash" yeah you must have only watched the Eagles game that season cause Eli was terrible the year prior,that season and the season to come., I thought at the time .Rosen was more pro ready, due to playing in Mora pro offense. The more i study Allen ( QB ) the more i like him. His drive to be great , impressed me. Colts ( Ballard ) drafted Nelson , then ( RT ) Brendon Smith and D. Leonard ( LB ).
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Post by InDabsWeTrust on Dec 14, 2021 21:51:16 GMT -5
We could have had Justin Herbert as well!
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Post by Delicreep on Dec 14, 2021 21:58:40 GMT -5
Wait...you though Josh Allen the LB looked like a 4th rounder? That was from a draft site .I had never heard of him. I never followed Kentucky football. Eventually, I knew he would be a top ten pick. That makes more sense
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Post by moecoastie on Dec 14, 2021 21:59:13 GMT -5
You, should have looked at the date it was posted. September 15th , 2018 ! I am positive , ( QB ) Josh Allen was in the NFL playing professional. Drafted in April of 2018 !!! I was referring to Josh Allen ( LB ) , in the upcoming draft. Wait...you though Josh Allen the LB looked like a 4th rounder? He's played like a 4th rounder in the NFL. Just my 2copper
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Post by trueblueatnyc on Dec 14, 2021 22:03:22 GMT -5
It could be understood that they maybe did not like Josh Allen. I mean, if you're gonna go that route, you may as well say "they could have traded down to the 25th pick, gotten 3 OL starters AND Lamar Jackson!".
It hurts to look back at what the team could have done.
But, I think we can all agree that if they didn't think any of the QB prospects were franchise QBs, then the play there was to take advantage of it being such a QB heavy draft and trade down with a team that wanted to secure their top QB prospect. Basically, the second worst move they could have made was to take a Barkley at that spot (the worst move being taking a player that would just be a completely untalented). I think I said at the time that no one was going to care if we drafted the next Adrian Peterson if it meant they passed on a franchise QB. DG could have mitigated some of that by hitting on DJ, but it's pretty apparent that Jones isn't "the guy".
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Post by Parademon1 on Dec 15, 2021 12:06:38 GMT -5
Interesting, because your only post from 2018 on Josh Allen was that he looks like a 4th round pick. Not that it matters because most posters signed up on this board after the 2018 draft, hence no way of verifying such claims. Many Giants fans wanted Sam Darnold or Josh Rosen, so anyone claiming otherwise is purely revisionist history considering that Josh Allen was ranked on most boards as the 3rd or 4th best QB. Shurmur wasn't a big fan of Allen, so it wasn't going to happen. Scouts were either very hot, or very cool on him. Very little middle ground. Good for the Bills, they were a bad team for a long time. Bills are still just an above average team. They conveniently won the div in the yr that their daddy leaves it, plus many of NE's best players voided out of playing last yr due to the dreaded China virus, and BB still went 7-9 with Cam Newton at QB! We woulda won the div last yr with a 7-9 record. An asterisk should be placed on the Bills 2020 AFCE title, "Won in yr their daddy left the division". This yr they're just 7-6, 3-5 in the past 8 games, guess who else has a 3-5 record in the past 8 games...we do! Only 2 of their 7 wins have come against playoff teams, they lost to the Jags, they've swept the Jets, everybody but the Giants can sweep the Jets! BTW, their daddy just beat em again even outside the div & not in NE. TB just owns them. Behind this OL, Allen woulda been mediocre & sacked to death.
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Post by DJones19 on Dec 15, 2021 12:34:11 GMT -5
Hindsight in 20/20. Both Josh Allen and Justin Herbert were predicted to be busts by a lot of the so-called experts on TV and online podcasters. All backed up with elaborate breakdown of film, etc. Sam Darnold was the sure thing the "can't miss" prospect that even had big time critic Mike Francesca publicly congratulating the Jets for the draft pick. ...the media loves to create a narrative...often false. I tune into NBC Sports draft analysis for QBs, Chris Simms has been the most accurate the last few years. ...but yea, I think most can agree that drafting a RB #2 is a poor choice...especially given the state of the Giants at the time. I still think Saquon has a lot of talent though. Saquon was Rookie of The Year.
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