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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2021 8:32:11 GMT -5
Would you trade Andrew Thomas for Justin Herbert? Eli could have stayed for another year. Thomas was drafted at #4, Herbert at #6. More proof positive that Dave Gettleman was the wrong man for the GM job. This in addition to taking Saquon at #2 and Jones at #6 in the respective drafts. Giants are the only team that drafts QBs from Duke
that football powerhouse. How did Dave Brown work out? How much do they spend on all kinds of scouting and analytics?
I'm just sayin'.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2021 8:40:48 GMT -5
Wow!!
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Post by Fletch842 on Dec 17, 2021 9:04:04 GMT -5
In hindsight, Herbert was a great pick. Watching his college career progress, I though he was overhyped. AT was an excellent pick, and is looking like our bookend LT that we have needed for the last decade.
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Post by JoeBigBlue on Dec 17, 2021 9:04:20 GMT -5
Good times.
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Post by giantlegacy on Dec 17, 2021 9:24:35 GMT -5
In hindsight, Herbert was a great pick. Watching his college career progress, I though he was overhyped. AT was an excellent pick, and is looking like our bookend LT that we have needed for the last decade. All of this He has vastly outplayed what I thought he would be coming out And who would be our LT? Herbert behind this line for 2 years? Death sentence? |
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Post by Kruunch on Dec 17, 2021 9:25:43 GMT -5
The question is. Would I trade a left tackle for a franchise quarterback? Absolutely, now the Chargers won’t feel the same way. And if they did, they’re monumentally stupid. As for Eli, that shipped has sailed. He was running on fumes his last year, keeping him an extra season would mean resigning him. And that would be exactly why we can’t get better. Holding onto past accomplishments, instead of thriving for the future. Now, delete this thread before John Mara gets any ideas. He might call Jeff Hostetler to see if he has any bullets left in the chamber..
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Post by Jomo on Dec 17, 2021 9:26:55 GMT -5
Would you trade Andrew Thomas for Justin Herbert? Eli could have stayed for another year. Thomas was drafted at #4, Herbert at #6. More proof positive that Dave Gettleman was the wrong man for the GM job. This in addition to taking Saquon at #2 and Jones at #6 in the respective drafts. Giants are the only team that drafts QBs from Duke
that football powerhouse. How did Dave Brown work out? How much do they spend on all kinds of scouting and analytics?
I'm just sayin'. I would grant you that DG has done a pretty terrible job as GM but I never like waiting to see how players pan out to dump on the guy. If you said back then, anything remotely like: "Keep Eli for another year and draft Herbert next year" You'd be on very strong ground right now. lol probably a candidate for GM! |
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Post by Fletch842 on Dec 17, 2021 9:27:24 GMT -5
The question is. Would I trade a left tackle for a franchise quarterback? Absolutely, now the Chargers won’t feel the same way. And if they did, they’re monumentally stupid. As for Eli, that shipped has sailed. He was running on fumes his last year, keeping him an extra season would mean resigning him. And that would be exactly why we can’t get better. Holding onto past accomplishments, instead of thriving for the future. Now, delete this thread before John Mara gets any ideas. He might call Jeff Hostetler to see if he has any bullets left in the chamber.. HOS!!!!!  |
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Post by nick030567 on Dec 17, 2021 9:28:56 GMT -5
It was what some of us wanted. I didn't think the team was solid enough for a young QB and that any QB, regardless of how innately talented, would fail because the team was bad.. especially the coaches. But many thought it was mainly Eli's lack of mobility ailing the team. They still don't get it as (I think) many of them are now done with DJ after anointing him "Danny Dimes" after his first 2 games.
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Post by Jomo on Dec 17, 2021 9:35:34 GMT -5
It was what some of us wanted. I didn't think the team was solid enough for a young QB and that any QB, regardless of how innately talented, would fail because the team was bad.. especially the coaches. But many thought it was mainly Eli's lack of mobility ailing the team. They still don't get it as (I think) many of them are now done with DJ after anointing him "Danny Dimes" after his first 2 games. I do remember people identifying Eli as the primary problem and that a mobile QB would help our weak OL. |
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Post by ratbastich on Dec 17, 2021 10:10:16 GMT -5
It is hard to say with the What Ifs. If Justin Herbert came here he may not be the Justin Herbert you see now. If Parsons came here, he may not be the one you are seeing now. If Daniel Jones was at another team, he may be lighting it up. Every team is different and some are better at getting the most out of players and coaches.
One of BBs strengths is his ability to plug in different players and get the most out of them and get the most out of his coaches because when they go elsewhere they seem to flounder(the coaches and players not named Brady or Gronkowski). Reid is the same way and Parcells for the most part.
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Post by DJones19 on Dec 17, 2021 10:22:59 GMT -5
"Would you trade Andrew Thomas for Justin Herbert?"
No, because no team would agree to that.
I heard Herbert stayed in school because he wanted to stay on the West Coast and wasn't interested in playing on the East Coast.
Maybe he would have refused to play for us. So in a way he was like Eli but wanted to play for the Chargers.
There were a lot of rumors when Herbert was drafted (not sure why they were spread) that Herbert was soft and couldn't lead a locker room. For some reason, a lot of people hated the guy...I can't figure it out.
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Post by jerky on Dec 17, 2021 10:28:07 GMT -5
It was what some of us wanted. I didn't think the team was solid enough for a young QB and that any QB, regardless of how innately talented, would fail because the team was bad.. especially the coaches. But many thought it was mainly Eli's lack of mobility ailing the team. They still don't get it as (I think) many of them are now done with DJ after anointing him "Danny Dimes" after his first 2 games. I do remember people identifying Eli as the primary problem and that a mobile QB would help our weak OL. It was quite a ridiculous take, it's like people weren't watching the games. Eli did what he could with the garbage around him. I'm not surprised at all that we're worse without him. It's still sad to me that so many Giants fans hate Eli, for what reason, I have no idea. Either way, no QB is going to be successful here, Herbert wouldn't have done well on this team, especially without Thomas. The biggest issue for me is that I don't think this team gets the most out of its players. |
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Post by jmike on Dec 17, 2021 10:28:58 GMT -5
Would you trade Andrew Thomas for Justin Herbert? Eli could have stayed for another year. Thomas was drafted at #4, Herbert at #6. More proof positive that Dave Gettleman was the wrong man for the GM job. This in addition to taking Saquon at #2 and Jones at #6 in the respective drafts. Giants are the only team that drafts QBs from Duke
that football powerhouse. How did Dave Brown work out? How much do they spend on all kinds of scouting and analytics?
I'm just sayin'. I would grant you that DG has done a pretty terrible job as GM but I never like waiting to see how players pan out to dump on the guy. If you said back then, anything remotely like: "Keep Eli for another year and draft Herbert next year" You'd be on very strong ground right now. lol probably a candidate for GM! Disagree. We are just fans. He's the GM and is in the business of picking players that will pan out. I rarely criticize or applaud a pick until I see how they turn out. I'll say which picks I think will be good or bad; but that is just nonsense. The important part is how they will work out in the end and it the GM, front office and coaching staff who are specifically responsible for that. So waiting to see how players pan out before dumping on a guy is really the only way to do it. |
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Post by snyder55 on Dec 17, 2021 10:33:15 GMT -5
I was never on board with drafting O linemen early, I always liked the flashy picks but boy have I changed my mind..
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Post by shocknaweny on Dec 17, 2021 10:35:15 GMT -5
They took Daniel Jones cause Mara heard he was " Eli like " from his college HC David Cutcliffe who also coached Peyton and Eli
Mara and Gettleman are both clueless
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Post by Nite on Dec 17, 2021 11:07:42 GMT -5
They took Daniel Jones cause Mara heard he was " Eli like " from his college HC David Cutcliffe who also coached Peyton and Eli Mara and Gettleman are both clueless FYI David Cutcliff was recently fired from Duke.. |
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Post by McCherry on Dec 17, 2021 11:16:44 GMT -5
They took Daniel Jones cause Mara heard he was " Eli like " from his college HC David Cutcliffe who also coached Peyton and Eli Mara and Gettleman are both clueless FYI David Cutcliff was recently fired from Duke.. Jason Garrett was a candidate for that job, just heard he was passed over. |
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Post by thetruth on Dec 17, 2021 11:29:32 GMT -5
They took Daniel Jones cause Mara heard he was " Eli like " from his college HC David Cutcliffe who also coached Peyton and Eli Mara and Gettleman are both clueless FYI David Cutcliff was recently fired from Duke.. The hype machine himself. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Dec 17, 2021 12:15:00 GMT -5
They took Daniel Jones cause Mara heard he was " Eli like " from his college HC David Cutcliffe who also coached Peyton and Eli Mara and Gettleman are both clueless [br So wrong on every level Shurmer hand picked him because he was a perfect fit for his system.. We can shit on Mara and Gettleman for a million reasons without making up shit like this |
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Post by KingCap88 on Dec 17, 2021 12:30:23 GMT -5
Eli could have stayed for another year if the Giants had wanted to keep him for another year. Mara and Gettleman were ready to move on from Eli and his contract. Talent-wise, Jones was not worth the draft slot where he was picked. But I always suspected that his even-keeled personality reminded them of Eli and that played a factor in them taking him since he's basically just a younger and more athletic Eli.
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Post by Rangers13 on Dec 17, 2021 12:37:36 GMT -5
Gettleman scouted Herbert a ton. Was likely blindsided the kid stayed in school. Guy is a %}<%??
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Post by Kruunch on Dec 17, 2021 12:42:57 GMT -5
I do remember people identifying Eli as the primary problem and that a mobile QB would help our weak OL. It was quite a ridiculous take, it's like people weren't watching the games. Eli did what he could with the garbage around him. I'm not surprised at all that we're worse without him. It's still sad to me that so many Giants fans hate Eli, for what reason, I have no idea.Either way, no QB is going to be successful here, Herbert wouldn't have done well on this team, especially without Thomas. The biggest issue for me is that I don't think this team gets the most out of its players. This is bullshit.. no fan hates Eli, fans moved on from him. This fallacy that he had gas left in the tank is a fairytale. Do fans need to be reminded that Eli heard footsteps in the later years? Or that he once got sacked by a gust of wind? It was time, he gave us two championships. And is an all time Giant.. but, enough of this idea that Eli could have giving us another season or two. |
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Post by nick030567 on Dec 17, 2021 12:59:58 GMT -5
It was what some of us wanted. I didn't think the team was solid enough for a young QB and that any QB, regardless of how innately talented, would fail because the team was bad.. especially the coaches. But many thought it was mainly Eli's lack of mobility ailing the team. They still don't get it as (I think) many of them are now done with DJ after anointing him "Danny Dimes" after his first 2 games. I do remember people identifying Eli as the primary problem and that a mobile QB would help our weak OL. it was pretty much the popular opinion at the time. |
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Post by fifthavephil on Dec 17, 2021 13:23:25 GMT -5
They took Daniel Jones cause Mara heard he was " Eli like " from his college HC David Cutcliffe who also coached Peyton and Eli Mara and Gettleman are both clueless [br So wrong on every level Shurmer hand picked him because he was a perfect fit for his system.. We can shit on Mara and Gettleman for a million reasons without making up shit like this Correct me if i am wrong, Shurmur did want DJ. DG went to EA for his opinion , EA endorse DJ . Which basically finalized the pick. |
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Post by jerky on Dec 17, 2021 13:41:44 GMT -5
It was quite a ridiculous take, it's like people weren't watching the games. Eli did what he could with the garbage around him. I'm not surprised at all that we're worse without him. It's still sad to me that so many Giants fans hate Eli, for what reason, I have no idea.Either way, no QB is going to be successful here, Herbert wouldn't have done well on this team, especially without Thomas. The biggest issue for me is that I don't think this team gets the most out of its players. This is bullshit.. no fan hates Eli, fans moved on from him. This fallacy that he had gas left in the tank is a fairytale. Do fans need to be reminded that Eli heard footsteps in the later years? Or that he once got sacked by a gust of wind? It was time, he gave us two championships. And is an all time Giant.. but, enough of this idea that Eli could have giving us another season or two. There are definitely plenty of people that hate him. As far as what he had left, he still has the skills to play. The Giants failed to give him a line which affected his timing and confidence in his protection after almost 10 straight years. Everytime I see roethlisberger play, I think Eli would have been able to play at a higher level even today if he had a consistent line. A lot of people said he was washed up but I don't buy that for a second |
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Post by Kruunch on Dec 17, 2021 15:14:19 GMT -5
This is bullshit.. no fan hates Eli, fans moved on from him. This fallacy that he had gas left in the tank is a fairytale. Do fans need to be reminded that Eli heard footsteps in the later years? Or that he once got sacked by a gust of wind? It was time, he gave us two championships. And is an all time Giant.. but, enough of this idea that Eli could have giving us another season or two. There are definitely plenty of people that hate him. As far as what he had left, he still has the skills to play. The Giants failed to give him a line which affected his timing and confidence in his protection after almost 10 straight years. Everytime I see roethlisberger play, I think Eli would have been able to play at a higher level even today if he had a consistent line. A lot of people said he was washed up but I don't buy that for a second The line has been an utter failure for years. We all know that, Eli went through his prime years working behind speed bumps as lineman. But, to say he still had it in him to play at a high level is wishful thinking. We’ll never know, but I don’t buy it. |
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Post by jerky on Dec 17, 2021 15:32:39 GMT -5
There are definitely plenty of people that hate him. As far as what he had left, he still has the skills to play. The Giants failed to give him a line which affected his timing and confidence in his protection after almost 10 straight years. Everytime I see roethlisberger play, I think Eli would have been able to play at a higher level even today if he had a consistent line. A lot of people said he was washed up but I don't buy that for a second The line has been an utter failure for years. We all know that, Eli went through his prime years working behind speed bumps as lineman. But, to say he still had it in him to play at a high level is wishful thinking. We’ll never know, but I don’t buy it. Yeah we won't know, but the deterioration of the offensive line plus the short passing game offense that took away his play making ability made it seem like he lost it. |
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Post by TEM on Dec 18, 2021 9:01:26 GMT -5
There was no guarantee we would have drafted before the Charges. What makes anyone believe the events would have unfolded in the way that conformed in favor of the desired outcome?
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Post by giants1 on Jan 19, 2022 23:03:08 GMT -5
Would you trade Andrew Thomas for Justin Herbert? Eli could have stayed for another year. Thomas was drafted at #4, Herbert at #6. More proof positive that Dave Gettleman was the wrong man for the GM job. This in addition to taking Saquon at #2 and Jones at #6 in the respective drafts. Giants are the only team that drafts QBs from Duke
that football powerhouse. How did Dave Brown work out? How much do they spend on all kinds of scouting and analytics?
I'm just sayin'. I had mentioned. Gettlemen's BIGGEST (OF MANY) mistake. Not playing Manning one more year and draft Herbert in 2020. |
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