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Post by idkaname on Jan 7, 2022 9:21:54 GMT -5
Posted this in another thread but it absolutely deserved its own thread because it's simply fact.
The reason this team has been a laughing stock for nearly a decade is largely to the quality of QB play. Bringing wilson in is more than getting a competent QB...its bringing leadership, experience, and above all else WINNING mentality...which is yet again, what we've been lacking. IDC who the player is, if you come from a culture of losing, it's hard to change that without being around WINNERS. We like to call players "leaders" or attribute "leadership" qualities. Reality is, these players are just WINNERS that have infectious work ethic, motivation, and an overall mentality of nothing less than greatness is acceptable.
Take a look at our poor success with free agents during gettelmans tenure...Peppers, tate, j Stewart, golladay, ross, michael thomas, bethea, golden, toilolo, glennon,
Then compare some of the productive/successful free agents...bradberry, gano, ryan, fackrell, dion lewis
There's a common theme here. The players that were successful were from WINNING cultures and or producing at a high level before being brought in. The players that flopped/didn't produce are from LOSING cultures and or were never quality starters.
Hell, you can do the same with the coaches through the years..
Mcadoodoo (Rodgers has been carrying that team and coaches including mccarthy/lefleur)
shurmur (self explanatory losing culture)
judge (similar situation to mcdoodoo and not to mention no proven ability to be a HC).
Garret? I mean cmon...
Kitchens...the list is REDICULOUS
Throw in Gettleman, (who's only success was getting blown out in a SB) and you have the heaping pile of **** today called the NYG.
*Disclaimer : Bringing Wilson in, is NOT the only solution. I was using him as an example for the winning identity we lack.
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Post by Rangers13 on Jan 7, 2022 14:58:02 GMT -5
Posted this in another thread but it absolutely deserved its own thread because it's simply fact. The reason this team has been a laughing stock for nearly a decade is largely to the quality of QB play. Bringing wilson in is more than getting a competent QB...its bringing leadership, experience, and above all else WINNING mentality... I stopped reading there. Wilson who is losing with Seattle and lost last season to the awful Giants and Colt McCoy? A bad idea deserves a thread of its own. Ok |
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Post by Kruunch on Jan 7, 2022 15:05:32 GMT -5
Posted this in another thread but it absolutely deserved its own thread because it's simply fact. The reason this team has been a laughing stock for nearly a decade is largely to the quality of QB play. Bringing wilson in is more than getting a competent QB...its bringing leadership, experience, and above all else WINNING mentality... I stopped reading there. Wilson who is losing with Seattle and lost last season to the awful Giants and Colt McCoy? A bad idea deserves a thread of its own. Ok The Wilson idea is stupid. Great quarterback no doubt, but he would be a moron to come to this circus. And most importantly, we can’t afford him. The op has a point though, a good to great quarterback can mask a lot of our issues. Enough of trotting Jones out there to only be met with disappointment, time to send him packing. Our line will not be fixed in one offseason, we haven’t fixed it in well over a decade. We need to tear down everything from the roster, coaching staff, and front office. Start fresh, and prioritize the offensive line and edge rushers position. |
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Post by ratbastich on Jan 7, 2022 15:13:42 GMT -5
I'm not so sure about the Rodgers carrying McCarthy part. I thought so at first too but he seems to be holding his own in Dallas. Yes, a weak division, but they have showed up against most of the competition even though I do believe they will probably be out the first or second round.
As for Wilson, nah. I can't see him being a long term solution or even an effective one. As has been noted, he is coming from one situation with a bad O-line to another. Not only that but you're talking about a guy who is 33. The Tom Brady's of the NFL and Aaron Rodgers are the exception, not the rule especially if you are getting beat up a lot.
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Post by JoeBigBlue on Jan 7, 2022 15:17:07 GMT -5
The reason this team has been a laughing stock for nearly a decade is largely to the quality of QB play. Bringing wilson in is more than getting a competent QB...its bringing leadership, experience, and above all else WINNING mentality Yeah it's too bad Eli Manning never won anything. |
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Post by Fletch842 on Jan 7, 2022 15:24:17 GMT -5
I'm not so sure about the Rodgers carrying McCarthy part. I thought so at first too but he seems to be holding his own in Dallas. Yes, a weak division, but they have showed up against most of the competition even though I do believe they will probably be out the first or second round. As for Wilson, nah. I can't see him being a long term solution or even an effective one. As has been noted, he is coming from one situation with a bad O-line to another. Not only that but you're talking about a guy who is 33. The Tom Brady's of the NFL and Aaron Rodgers are the exception, not the rule especially if you are getting beat up a lot. He's done 2 relatively smart things in Dallas 1 - kept the offense installed by Kellen Moore the previous year 2 - Replacing Nolan with Quinn |
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Post by idkaname on Jan 7, 2022 15:37:53 GMT -5
Posted this in another thread but it absolutely deserved its own thread because it's simply fact. The reason this team has been a laughing stock for nearly a decade is largely to the quality of QB play. Bringing wilson in is more than getting a competent QB...its bringing leadership, experience, and above all else WINNING mentality... I stopped reading there. Wilson who is losing with Seattle and lost last season to the awful Giants and Colt McCoy? A bad idea deserves a thread of its own. Ok well you’re obviously a casual because Wilson has been hurt for most of the season and his defense sucks. Nice try tho. He just led an offense that scored a 5th of our point total for the season in one game. You’re also talking about a guy with a 102-51-1 career record. But go on |
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Post by idkaname on Jan 7, 2022 15:40:15 GMT -5
The reason this team has been a laughing stock for nearly a decade is largely to the quality of QB play. Bringing wilson in is more than getting a competent QB...its bringing leadership, experience, and above all else WINNING mentality Yeah it's too bad Eli Manning never won anything. makes no sense. U furthered my point. After 2013 Eli was becoming part of the problem. Can’t turn it over as much as he did without the heroics and he failed to show up far too often |
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Post by idkaname on Jan 7, 2022 15:42:42 GMT -5
I stopped reading there. Wilson who is losing with Seattle and lost last season to the awful Giants and Colt McCoy? A bad idea deserves a thread of its own. Ok The Wilson idea is stupid. Great quarterback no doubt, but he would be a moron to come to this circus. And most importantly, we can’t afford him. The op has a point though, a good to great quarterback can mask a lot of our issues. Enough of trotting Jones out there to only be met with disappointment, time to send him packing. Our line will not be fixed in one offseason, we haven’t fixed it in well over a decade. We need to tear down everything from the roster, coaching staff, and front office. Start fresh, and prioritize the offensive line and edge rushers position. technically it can be fixed in one season…look at Dallas’s defense. Not world beaters by any means but taking that historically awful defense of last year and becoming average is quite impressive. That’s all you really need from an Oline is average and the fact that after a decade we can’t do that is more unrealistic then fixing it in one off season (especially considering we have a standout tackle finally) |
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Post by Rangers13 on Jan 7, 2022 15:43:27 GMT -5
I stopped reading there. Wilson who is losing with Seattle and lost last season to the awful Giants and Colt McCoy? A bad idea deserves a thread of its own. Ok well you’re obviously a casual because Wilson has been hurt for most of the season and his defense sucks. Nice try tho. He just led an offense that scored a 5th of our point total for the season in one game. You’re also talking about a guy with a 102-51-1 career record. But go on well dreamer, tell us how you will acquire this winner, pay him upwards of $40 million per with out cap and protect him with no line. Oh, and how we will win with him. Do share b/c this idea which is beyond the casual. |
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Post by idkaname on Jan 7, 2022 15:44:34 GMT -5
I'm not so sure about the Rodgers carrying McCarthy part. I thought so at first too but he seems to be holding his own in Dallas. Yes, a weak division, but they have showed up against most of the competition even though I do believe they will probably be out the first or second round. As for Wilson, nah. I can't see him being a long term solution or even an effective one. As has been noted, he is coming from one situation with a bad O-line to another. Not only that but you're talking about a guy who is 33. The Tom Brady's of the NFL and Aaron Rodgers are the exception, not the rule especially if you are getting beat up a lot. He's done 2 relatively smart things in Dallas 1 - kept the offense installed by Kellen Moore the previous year 2 - Replacing Nolan with Quinn the guy is a moron. The fact that he has one SB win with Rodgers is telling enough. Their defenses were more than competent, stupid coaching destroyed their chance at a dynasty. Basically a clone of bruce Arians. Neither will ever win another SB |
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Post by idkaname on Jan 7, 2022 15:46:10 GMT -5
well you’re obviously a casual because Wilson has been hurt for most of the season and his defense sucks. Nice try tho. He just led an offense that scored a 5th of our point total for the season in one game. You’re also talking about a guy with a 102-51-1 career record. But go on well dreamer, tell us how you will acquire this winner, pay him upwards of $40 million per with out cap and protect him with no line. Oh, and how we will win with him. Do share b/c this idea which is beyond the casual. loser mentality right there. It’s possible but why should I fabricate a whole scenario when it’s impossible to predict what the FO will do, also since you didn’t read all the way I indeed stated that Wilson is not a priority this off season. |
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Post by JoeBigBlue on Jan 7, 2022 15:46:50 GMT -5
Yeah it's too bad Eli Manning never won anything. makes no sense. U furthered my point. After 2013 Eli was becoming part of the problem. Can’t turn it over as much as he did without the heroics and he failed to show up far too often You're saying bring Russell Wilson here because we don't have a winning QB, but we HAD a winning QB with Eli and the team still went to shit. Too many pieces need fixing besides just the QB.....especially an aging expensive one. |
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Post by Rangers13 on Jan 7, 2022 15:48:20 GMT -5
well dreamer, tell us how you will acquire this winner, pay him upwards of $40 million per with out cap and protect him with no line. Oh, and how we will win with him. Do share b/c this idea which is beyond the casual. loser mentality right there. It’s possible but why should I fabricate a whole scenario when it’s impossible to predict what the FO will do, also since you didn’t read all the way I indeed stated that Wilson is not a priority this off season. So if i’m the casual where does leave you now? Come up with an idea and have no idea how to obtain it. Great, thanks. |
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Post by miss86 on Jan 7, 2022 15:55:00 GMT -5
I truly don't get the "Get Wilson" idea. 1) We can't afford him. 2) He is 33 YO. 3) We have no OL and 4) if we do figure out a way to pay Wilson, how would we pay for the rest of the team? Not a fan of get Wilson at all.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2022 16:57:33 GMT -5
Posted this in another thread but it absolutely deserved its own thread because it's simply fact. The reason this team has been a laughing stock for nearly a decade is largely to the quality of QB play. Bringing wilson in is more than getting a competent QB...its bringing leadership, experience, and above all else WINNING mentality...which is yet again, what we've been lacking. IDC who the player is, if you come from a culture of losing, it's hard to change that without being around WINNERS. We like to call players "leaders" or attribute "leadership" qualities. Reality is, these players are just WINNERS that have infectious work ethic, motivation, and an overall mentality of nothing less than greatness is acceptable. Take a look at our poor success with free agents during gettelmans tenure...Peppers, tate, j Stewart, golladay, ross, michael thomas, bethea, golden, toilolo, glennon, Then compare some of the productive/successful free agents...bradberry, gano, ryan, fackrell, dion lewis There's a common theme here. The players that were successful were from WINNING cultures and or producing at a high level before being brought in. The players that flopped/didn't produce are from LOSING cultures and or were never quality starters. Hell, you can do the same with the coaches through the years.. Mcadoodoo (Rodgers has been carrying that team and coaches including mccarthy/lefleur) shurmur (self explanatory losing culture) judge (similar situation to mcdoodoo and not to mention no proven ability to be a HC). Garret? I mean cmon... Kitchens...the list is REDICULOUS Throw in Gettleman, (who's only success was getting blown out in a SB) and you have the heaping pile of **** today called the NYG. *Disclaimer : Bringing Wilson in, is NOT the only solution. I was using him as an example for the winning identity we lack. It’s amazing who here gets excited about the ones from the “losing cultures” in camp. |
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Post by DJones19 on Jan 7, 2022 17:45:49 GMT -5
If anything if Wilson comes here it shows me he isn't serious about winning. This team currently stinks.
I heard his wife wants to be near New York for career reasons and Wilson grew up on the East Coast in Virginia.
So yea...Wilson has some reasons to go to come here but I don't see winning as one of them.
Given the cap situation and Wilson losing some mobility/skills with age..I think the timing is off too.
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Post by Fletch842 on Jan 7, 2022 18:38:38 GMT -5
If anything if Wilson comes here it shows me he isn't serious about winning. This team currently stinks. I heard his wife wants to be near New York for career reasons and Wilson grew up on the East Coast in Virginia. So yea...Wilson has some reasons to go to come here but I don't see winning as one of them. Given the cap situation and Wilson losing some mobility/skills with age..I think the timing is off too. as well as our line, and the rest of our offensive skill positions. Not a good match at all, IMHO. We also need our draft capital, and it would take a lot to get him away from Seattle. |
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Post by lasion2 on Jan 7, 2022 21:26:38 GMT -5
I understand what your saying op. Mentality wise.
I would trade our 2nd round pick for Wilson and no more. Which ain’t happening. And the math/capology that would go into paying him would be personally interesting and entertaining.
It’s a bad idea. Any other suggestions on how to manufacture winning mentality because I have no idea.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 8, 2022 1:31:15 GMT -5
well you’re obviously a casual because Wilson has been hurt for most of the season and his defense sucks. Nice try tho. He just led an offense that scored a 5th of our point total for the season in one game. You’re also talking about a guy with a 102-51-1 career record. But go on well dreamer, tell us how you will acquire this winner, pay him upwards of $40 million per with out cap and protect him with no line. Oh, and how we will win with him. Do share b/c this idea which is beyond the casual. Oh and how will we build an O line or get an edge guy using both our number one picks to do this? |
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Post by Jomo on Jan 8, 2022 8:27:07 GMT -5
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Jan 8, 2022 11:03:55 GMT -5
I truly don't get the "Get Wilson" idea. 1) We can't afford him. 2) He is 33 YO. 3) We have no OL and 4) if we do figure out a way to pay Wilson, how would we pay for the rest of the team? Not a fan of get Wilson at all. Plus what would it cost to get him 2 first rd picks ? More ? So everything you named is against him here in this situation. He only wants to come here for his wife's career. The music industry N.Y. or Seattle, hmmm lets see which is more beneficial ? Any of the other cities I'm about to mention are as good as Seattle, she might not gain but she wouldn't lose. What it's a longer flight to L.A. if necessary ? Wilson needs a team ready to win that just needs a QB dropped in. Denver is perfect he would be a difference in the AFC west, he would have excelled in Indy, Pittsburgh would give him a parade to go there, could Miami be a landing spot, Cleveland he would be a game changer, plus all are in AFC. In the NFC New Orleans he fits like a glove, they have everything but the QB. Is Philly all in with Hurts ? |
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Post by snyder55 on Jan 8, 2022 11:15:29 GMT -5
Yeah it's too bad Eli Manning never won anything. makes no sense. U furthered my point. After 2013 Eli was becoming part of the problem. Can’t turn it over as much as he did without the heroics and he failed to show up far too often looking at Eli's total body of work he's had his good moments and a lot of bad ones, especially the last few years. |
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Post by Rangers13 on Jan 8, 2022 11:31:02 GMT -5
If anything if Wilson comes here it shows me he isn't serious about winning. This team currently stinks. I heard his wife wants to be near New York for career reasons and Wilson grew up on the East Coast in Virginia. So yea...Wilson has some reasons to go to come here but I don't see winning as one of them. Given the cap situation and Wilson losing some mobility/skills with age..I think the timing is off too. Cap aside, which is a dream . . . if Wilson was a free agent this idea might be on the radar. |
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Post by SG88 on Jan 8, 2022 11:56:43 GMT -5
I don't give a damn how it is done. The Giants NEED good to great play from their quarterback to win in today's NFL. I can't even remember the last time this team has gotten good and consistent play from the QB position. 2011 maybe? Unfortunately for us, this place is a shit show and will continue to be until the Giants do a full reset in their front office, coaching staff, and at QB.
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Post by Fletch842 on Jan 8, 2022 13:28:21 GMT -5
If anything if Wilson comes here it shows me he isn't serious about winning. This team currently stinks. I heard his wife wants to be near New York for career reasons and Wilson grew up on the East Coast in Virginia. So yea...Wilson has some reasons to go to come here but I don't see winning as one of them. Given the cap situation and Wilson losing some mobility/skills with age..I think the timing is off too. Cap aside, which is a dream . . . if Wilson was a free agent this idea might be on the radar. but it is, and he's not, so as you said, it's just a dream. As Rich said, NO would be the ideal landing spot for him from a strictly football standpoint. |
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Post by snyder55 on Jan 8, 2022 16:24:10 GMT -5
I stopped reading there. Wilson who is losing with Seattle and lost last season to the awful Giants and Colt McCoy? A bad idea deserves a thread of its own. Ok The Wilson idea is stupid. Great quarterback no doubt, but he would be a moron to come to this circus. And most importantly, we can’t afford him. The op has a point though, a good to great quarterback can mask a lot of our issues. Enough of trotting Jones out there to only be met with disappointment, time to send him packing. Our line will not be fixed in one offseason, we haven’t fixed it in well over a decade. We need to tear down everything from the roster, coaching staff, and front office. Start fresh, and prioritize the offensive line and edge rushers position. I would think that Wilson would be smarter than to come here even if the price was right.. |
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Post by ocgiant on Jan 8, 2022 21:16:16 GMT -5
No to any QB until... say it... come on... not that difficult... need a hint?
Fix the f---ing OL first
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Post by Kruunch on Jan 9, 2022 10:30:30 GMT -5
The Wilson idea is stupid. Great quarterback no doubt, but he would be a moron to come to this circus. And most importantly, we can’t afford him. The op has a point though, a good to great quarterback can mask a lot of our issues. Enough of trotting Jones out there to only be met with disappointment, time to send him packing. Our line will not be fixed in one offseason, we haven’t fixed it in well over a decade. We need to tear down everything from the roster, coaching staff, and front office. Start fresh, and prioritize the offensive line and edge rushers position. I would think that Wilson would be smarter than to come here even if the price was right.. Unless he has air between his ears. He would know to stay the hell away from here. |
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Post by idkaname on Jan 9, 2022 14:02:58 GMT -5
Wrong thread
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