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Post by Morehead State on Jan 23, 2022 23:31:16 GMT -5
With all due respect, I think you are misapplying the word "anecdotal". No offense taken, quantify it for me. To me, an "anecdotal" example, is a singular event that folks attempt to use to define a much more grand and complex matter. Not sure what "anecdote" you are referring to. But I'm glad to be shown. |
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Post by Sarcasman on Jan 23, 2022 23:40:15 GMT -5
No offense taken, quantify it for me. To me, an "anecdotal" example, is a singular event that folks attempt to use to define a much more grand and complex matter. Not sure what "anecdote" you are referring to. But I'm glad to be shown. To me an assertion that is unquantifiable is anecdotal. I'm sure there's a better word for it, I just don't know what it is. |
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Post by Morehead State on Jan 23, 2022 23:44:17 GMT -5
To me, an "anecdotal" example, is a singular event that folks attempt to use to define a much more grand and complex matter. Not sure what "anecdote" you are referring to. But I'm glad to be shown. To me an assertion that is unquantifiable is anecdotal. I'm sure there's a better word for it, I just don't know what it is. I think I'm right on this. "Something that is anecdotal, is usually and unreliable singular personal observation or event. For instance, a hurricane is an anecdotal event, you can't determine the extent of global warming based on that event. In other words, it represents a lack of longer term information or data. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 23, 2022 23:51:41 GMT -5
Gabriel Davis 2020 4th round Another blown opportunity to put young dynamic weapons around a young recently drafted at 6 qb ... still remember telling people we dont need to invest in the first round to find weapons. They were shocked, and angry! But Gucken Fettleman blatantly ignored adding any other than Slayton in the 5th in 2019... Which is why we had to overpay for a wish version of the guy we should have taken instead of Baker in 2019... Lucky we now have a GM that invested a bunch of mid round assets here every year and understands modern NFL requires a fleet or dynamic playmaker and preferably on the cheap |
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Post by jmike on Jan 24, 2022 9:06:32 GMT -5
Yes, what is his evidence that TC became more powerful in picking players? 1. That is the Giants way. (or was) 2. Tom's personality suggests it. Can you imagine JR drafting a player Tom didn't want? 3. Tom presence was huge in the combines. Did you ever see JR there? 4. It took Tom 1 minute to sign Ereck Flowers after we dumped him. 5. Deductive reasoning. Any other conclusion would be counter intuitive. Oh, so your opinion then. |
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Post by jmike on Jan 24, 2022 9:09:45 GMT -5
Evidence? Same as Ross, none. I'm sorry. Marc Ross was a cog in the machine. He had NO decision making power at all. Yet according to some, he personally destroyed the New York Giants. Tom Coughlin was the head coach. If you don't think he had tremendous influence over what players were acquired then your head is in the sand. Decision making power isn't the most important thing. When it comes to scouting departments, the information they provide is what the decision makers use to make decisions. The ability to make good decisions is reliant on getting good information. So to pretend that just because someone doesn't have "decision making power" means that they can't be responsible for poor decisions is just silly. |
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Post by Morehead State on Jan 24, 2022 9:55:02 GMT -5
I'm sorry. Marc Ross was a cog in the machine. He had NO decision making power at all. Yet according to some, he personally destroyed the New York Giants. Tom Coughlin was the head coach. If you don't think he had tremendous influence over what players were acquired then your head is in the sand. Decision making power isn't the most important thing. When it comes to scouting departments, the information they provide is what the decision makers use to make decisions. The ability to make good decisions is reliant on getting good information. So to pretend that just because someone doesn't have "decision making power" means that they can't be responsible for poor decisions is just silly. Absolutely true. But not relevant to the conversation. |
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Post by jmike on Jan 24, 2022 10:41:15 GMT -5
Decision making power isn't the most important thing. When it comes to scouting departments, the information they provide is what the decision makers use to make decisions. The ability to make good decisions is reliant on getting good information. So to pretend that just because someone doesn't have "decision making power" means that they can't be responsible for poor decisions is just silly. Absolutely true. But not relevant to the conversation. Except it is. |
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Post by Morehead State on Jan 24, 2022 10:45:58 GMT -5
Absolutely true. But not relevant to the conversation. Except it is. We aren't talking about what anyone in our organization "might" have done. It could be anything. MY point is that the ultimate decision makers are responsible for policy. The HC is responsible for how the team is managed. The GM is responsible for the quality of players on that team. The D of PP doesn't have the final responsibility and anything they did when in our FO is completely unknown to the public. I could tell from Marc Ross's public comments in the media that he wanted to move on from Eli. That is just my impression. I say good for him. We moved on from Eli WAY too late. But again, I can't know what his real role was. Nor can any of us, regardless of what your cousin's barber's sister says. |
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Post by jmike on Jan 24, 2022 10:49:13 GMT -5
We aren't talking about what anyone in our organization "might" have done. It could be anything. MY point is that the ultimate decision makers are responsible for policy. The HC is responsible for how the team is managed. The GM is responsible for the quality of players on that team. The D of PP doesn't have the final responsibility and anything they did when in our FO is completely unknown to the public. I could tell from Marc Ross's public comments in the media that he wanted to move on from Eli. That is just my impression. I say good for him. We moved on from Eli WAY too late. But again, I can't know what his real role was. Nor can any of us, regardless of what your cousin's barber's sister says. I don't have any cousins. |
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Post by Sarcasman on Jan 24, 2022 12:03:03 GMT -5
To me an assertion that is unquantifiable is anecdotal. I'm sure there's a better word for it, I just don't know what it is. I think I'm right on this. "Something that is anecdotal, is usually and unreliable singular personal observation or event. For instance, a hurricane is an anecdotal event, you can't determine the extent of global warming based on that event. In other words, it represents a lack of longer term information or data. That’s fair. Perhaps I was being overly focused on its use in the context of evidence |
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Post by Sarcasman on Jan 24, 2022 12:04:58 GMT -5
We aren't talking about what anyone in our organization "might" have done. It could be anything. MY point is that the ultimate decision makers are responsible for policy. The HC is responsible for how the team is managed. The GM is responsible for the quality of players on that team. The D of PP doesn't have the final responsibility and anything they did when in our FO is completely unknown to the public. I could tell from Marc Ross's public comments in the media that he wanted to move on from Eli. That is just my impression. I say good for him. We moved on from Eli WAY too late. But again, I can't know what his real role was. Nor can any of us, regardless of what your cousin's barber's sister says. If I were Marc Ross I’d probably seek to rationalize my tenure that way as well. |
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Post by Morehead State on Jan 24, 2022 15:00:13 GMT -5
So apparently everyone and no one makes the Giants picks. The war room is a black hole. Either way....I'm pretty sure Marc Ross wasn't making the picks. |
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Post by Roswell on Jan 24, 2022 15:16:15 GMT -5
Evidence? Same as Ross, none. I'm sorry. Marc Ross was a cog in the machine. He had NO decision making power at all. Yet according to some, he personally destroyed the New York Giants.Tom Coughlin was the head coach. If you don't think he had tremendous influence over what players were acquired then your head is in the sand. Agreed. There was an entire orchestra playing that symphony. |
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Post by Roswell on Jan 24, 2022 15:18:24 GMT -5
We aren't talking about what anyone in our organization "might" have done. It could be anything. MY point is that the ultimate decision makers are responsible for policy. The HC is responsible for how the team is managed. The GM is responsible for the quality of players on that team. The D of PP doesn't have the final responsibility and anything they did when in our FO is completely unknown to the public. I could tell from Marc Ross's public comments in the media that he wanted to move on from Eli. That is just my impression. I say good for him. We moved on from Eli WAY too late. But again, I can't know what his real role was. Nor can any of us, regardless of what your cousin's barber's sister says. To be fair, you did have the coach wearing more hats than that a year and a half ago. |
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Post by Roswell on Jan 24, 2022 15:19:44 GMT -5
I think it's fair to say Marc Ross didn't provide any solutions.
More accurately, he probably tried to put out some fires with gasoline.
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Post by Morehead State on Jan 24, 2022 15:20:14 GMT -5
We aren't talking about what anyone in our organization "might" have done. It could be anything. MY point is that the ultimate decision makers are responsible for policy. The HC is responsible for how the team is managed. The GM is responsible for the quality of players on that team. The D of PP doesn't have the final responsibility and anything they did when in our FO is completely unknown to the public. I could tell from Marc Ross's public comments in the media that he wanted to move on from Eli. That is just my impression. I say good for him. We moved on from Eli WAY too late. But again, I can't know what his real role was. Nor can any of us, regardless of what your cousin's barber's sister says. To be fair, you did have the coach wearing more hats than that a year and a half ago. That's why I was fine with Joe Judge getting fired. He had a lot of influence and the team was awful. Having said that...I DO think the last two drafts, when Joe was here, were better than the previous 2. |
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Post by Morehead State on Jan 24, 2022 15:21:14 GMT -5
I think it's fair to say Marc Ross didn't provide any solutions. More accurately, he probably tried to put out some fires with gasoline. How great was the use of that song in Inglorious Basterds........... |
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Post by Rangers13 on Jan 31, 2022 10:04:34 GMT -5
@peter_King
, Giants GM Joe Schoen told him that he'll have to clear out $40M in salary cap. "
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