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Post by elitoshockey on Jan 21, 2022 11:43:05 GMT -5
I was completely against this initially. But this is interesting. If flores gets hired, do we go in the direction of Watson? are they a package deal?
Niners front office had no issue trading a pick for Jimmy and then trading picks for Trey lance. They trust their ability to draft well without high draft capital. So this is interesting to me if we go in direction of peters and flores.
We have the picks to make something like this happen.
Theres no denying his talent. Hes top 5 when healthy. Only 27 , you have a franchise QB for the next 7+ years.
I just have a hards time believing Mara will make Watson the face of this franchise with all the allegations still pending . Not to mention our cap situation and lack of talent on the oline.
Im torn on it. But theres no denying having a top 5 QB will make life much easier .
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 21, 2022 11:45:27 GMT -5
Texans want at least 4 1st rounds picks and assets(Hershall Walker type trade) He has a crippling cap number
We are nowhere near a qb away from making a move like this
Hard pass
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Post by FBomb on Jan 21, 2022 11:48:03 GMT -5
You hate to hard pass on a talent lile that. But too much baggage and we will financially destroy us for years.
Hard pass.
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Post by TEM on Jan 21, 2022 11:48:37 GMT -5
Yeah um No
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Post by babybulls on Jan 21, 2022 11:53:31 GMT -5
NFW
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Post by bluecusen on Jan 21, 2022 11:53:42 GMT -5
Can you imagine if they did that and Watson tears an ACL first game for the Giants? Would certainly be our luck, right?
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Post by elitoshockey on Jan 21, 2022 11:55:09 GMT -5
Can you imagine if they did that and Watson tears an ACL first game for the Giants? Would certainly be our luck, right? That or another 20 rape allegations .
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Post by allnygin on Jan 21, 2022 11:58:16 GMT -5
In an ideal world. **** yes. This is a guy at QB you need to win in this league and he's young.. that said, the amount of draft capital that the texans will likely want will destroy the giants. We need all the capital we can get. But you know its all a catch 22 right. Maybe, we draft well, but never get a QB that's good enough to win a SB or go deep in the playoffs.. with a guy like desaun you're garunteed that as long as you have a half way decent team assembled around him. So, if the GM wants a guy like that and has a good plan count me in, but I don't think its really likely or possible
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Post by Fletch842 on Jan 21, 2022 12:04:20 GMT -5
the cost for him is way to high, and he'd have to resolve his legal issues first.
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Post by elitoshockey on Jan 21, 2022 12:06:44 GMT -5
In an ideal world. **** yes. This is a guy at QB you need to win in this league and he's young.. that said, the amount of draft capital that the texans will likely want will destroy the giants. We need all the capital we can get. But you know its all a catch 22 right. Maybe, we draft well, but never get a QB that's good enough to win a SB or go deep in the playoffs.. with a guy like desaun you're garunteed that as long as you have a half way decent team assembled around him. So, if the GM wants a guy like that and has a good plan count me in, but I don't think its really likely or possible Agree with this . QB purgatory sucks .
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2022 12:07:46 GMT -5
People are still entertaining this..
If the price drops at least to only two 1st and he's cleared from being suspended then I wouldn't be against it..
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 21, 2022 12:11:20 GMT -5
People are still entertaining this.. If the price drops at least to only two 1st and he's cleared from being suspended then I wouldn't be against it.. And the Texans agree to eat a little salary
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Post by elitoshockey on Jan 21, 2022 12:14:03 GMT -5
People are still entertaining this.. If the price drops at least to only two 1st and he's cleared from being suspended then I wouldn't be against it.. And the Texans agree to eat a little salary I think ideally there would need to be an extension to lower his cap hit for immediate future. Just seems like too many obstacles to overcome. Salary, draft picks, and most importantly... rape allegations
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Post by idkaname on Jan 21, 2022 12:20:54 GMT -5
And the Texans agree to eat a little salary I think ideally there would need to be an extension to lower his cap hit for immediate future. Just seems like too many obstacles to overcome. Salary, draft picks, and most importantly... rape allegations Ben made it through the cracks of justice....js
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2022 12:37:48 GMT -5
People are still entertaining this.. If the price drops at least to only two 1st and he's cleared from being suspended then I wouldn't be against it.. And the Texans agree to eat a little salary This might be a year or two a way so who knows what will happen now that Gettyshit is gone..
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Post by BlueReign on Jan 21, 2022 12:43:27 GMT -5
It's tough. On one hand, he's an elite QB and would easily be worth our two top picks. But with his legal issues and our relative lack of depth, I'm a bit leery of making this move.
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Post by cdngfan on Jan 21, 2022 12:45:39 GMT -5
If we don’t have to send a kings ransom of picks, his playing time is guaranteed not to be impacted by his legal trouble, we can sign him for the equivalent of what we’re paying Jones right now, then yes.
Otherwise, no.
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Post by vbgiantsfan on Jan 21, 2022 12:52:23 GMT -5
I'm cool with drugs and partying. I think we are too hard on players who are young and have fun and we shouldn't filter them out.
Sexual assault? Way too much smoke for there not to be a fire. I wouldn't support him and would be disappointed for him to be the QB of this team. If Flores comes with Watson, that's a big red flag for me as well.
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Post by thetruth on Jan 21, 2022 12:53:10 GMT -5
I was completely against this initially. But this is interesting. If flores gets hired, do we go in the direction of Watson? are they a package deal? Niners front office had no issue trading a pick for Jimmy and then trading picks for Trey lance. They trust their ability to draft well without high draft capital. So this is interesting to me if we go in direction of peters and flores. We have the picks to make something like this happen. Theres no denying his talent. Hes top 5 when healthy. Only 27 , you have a franchise QB for the next 7+ years. I just have a hards time believing Mara will make Watson the face of this franchise with all the allegations still pending . Not to mention our cap situation and lack of talent on the oline. Im torn on it. But theres no denying having a top 5 QB will make life much easier . If he's clear off the field? There is basically nothing I wouldn't trade
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Post by ratbastich on Jan 21, 2022 12:58:32 GMT -5
I think he is a talent and could be a game changer, but there is too much unknown with him right now. Legal issues, being out of football for a season, etc. Plus, the possibility of getting the opportunity to have long term homegrown core talent from the draft is too much to give up. It would be like trading long term gains for a short term satisfaction.
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Post by nyg2 on Jan 21, 2022 13:26:49 GMT -5
Here's something interesting "Mara assured Flores that he's a serious candidate and that Giants will be willing to eat money to clear up some cap space"
Clear up some cap space to do what exactly?
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Post by nyg2 on Jan 21, 2022 13:32:43 GMT -5
Here's something interesting "Mara assured Flores that he's a serious candidate and that Giants will be willing to eat money to clear up some cap space" Clear up some cap space to do what exactly? To get under the cap so we can, at a bare minimum, sign our rookie draft picks. That's a given regardless of the HC... Lol. This is if he wants to be active in free agency or has a particular player he wants to trade for (i.e. Watson who has been linked together as a package deal with Flores).
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Post by Eazy E on Jan 21, 2022 14:35:06 GMT -5
First of all the Texans requesting that (4 1st rd picks) is outright laughable. I think that was at the beginning of the season for Watson. Secondly, if the authorities actually had viable evidence, Watson would have been talking to Bubba by now. It was an obvious smear campaign money grab after signing such a lucrative deal. I took the same stance with cb Baker. And he went free as well. The authorities would want nothing more than to open and shut a high profile case if they had evidence for conviction.
Its a he said she said matter on all accounts and character backgrounds come into question. Not a very good foot to stand on for the plaintiffs.
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Post by Eazy E on Jan 21, 2022 14:38:30 GMT -5
It will be worse for the Texans if the Watson case drags into next season. Watsons equity in the league will plummet dramtically. Who knows , maybe if he refuses to play next season, Watson gets released. No organization is going to be held hostage for years on in. They would have to move on.
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Post by cdngfan on Jan 21, 2022 14:42:18 GMT -5
First of all the Texans requesting that (4 1st rd picks) is outright laughable. I think that was at the beginning of the season for Watson. Secondly, if the authorities actually had viable evidence, Watson would have been talking to Bubba by now. It was an obvious smear campaign money grab after signing such a lucrative deal. I took the same stance with cb Baker. And he went free as well. The authorities would want nothing more than to open and shut a high profile case if they had evidence for conviction. Its a he said she said matter on all accounts and character backgrounds come into question. Not a very good foot to stand on for the plaintiffs. Reasonable. But would you bet your career on your opinion being right? Because that’s exactly what Schoen will be doing if he makes a deal. It’s a reasonable theory, the stakes are crazy crazy high with a lot of unknowns.
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Post by infinite420 on Jan 21, 2022 14:44:13 GMT -5
In an ideal world. **** yes. This is a guy at QB you need to win in this league and he's young.. that said, the amount of draft capital that the texans will likely want will destroy the giants. We need all the capital we can get. But you know its all a catch 22 right. Maybe, we draft well, but never get a QB that's good enough to win a SB or go deep in the playoffs.. with a guy like desaun you're garunteed that as long as you have a half way decent team assembled around him. So, if the GM wants a guy like that and has a good plan count me in, but I don't think its really likely or possible I dont think the Texans have as much leverage as you think. You never know, Daniel Jones plus one of our firsts just might get it done, Houston may want to wipe their hands clean of him. He plus a stud on the O-Line would go a long way towards a quick rebuild by the end of Day 1 of the draft. Watson, Barkley, Golladay, Toney, Shepard. That is a stacked offense, suddenly, Im intrigued
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Post by allnygin on Jan 21, 2022 14:55:31 GMT -5
In an ideal world. **** yes. This is a guy at QB you need to win in this league and he's young.. that said, the amount of draft capital that the texans will likely want will destroy the giants. We need all the capital we can get. But you know its all a catch 22 right. Maybe, we draft well, but never get a QB that's good enough to win a SB or go deep in the playoffs.. with a guy like desaun you're garunteed that as long as you have a half way decent team assembled around him. So, if the GM wants a guy like that and has a good plan count me in, but I don't think its really likely or possible I dont think the Texans have as much leverage as you think. You never know, Daniel Jones plus one of our firsts just might get it done, Houston may want to wipe their hands clean of him. He plus a stud on the O-Line would go a long way towards a quick rebuild by the end of Day 1 of the draft. Watson, Barkley, Golladay, Toney, Shepard. That is a stacked offense, suddenly, Im intrigued yep. Really just a pipe dream though, at this point one would have to think, but if for some reason it were to happen.. i am NOT going to be upset by having one of the most young talented QBs in the NFL on the giants.
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Post by Eazy E on Jan 21, 2022 15:10:59 GMT -5
Yeah only minute chance he ends up in NYG is if the allegation cases are completely dropped soon or they settle out of court soon. Watson on the other hand is fighting for his life. If he ends up being charged not only wiĺl he face prison time but he wiĺl also have to register as a sex offender for life. Weird how there was a rumor that he wanted to team up with Flores. Maybe he sees everything ending soon. Have no clue.
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Post by elitoshockey on Jan 21, 2022 15:48:32 GMT -5
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Post by GameTime on Jan 21, 2022 18:36:05 GMT -5
what if he gets arrested
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