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Post by balloonknot on Aug 4, 2022 17:05:43 GMT -5
The fact he is running is an enormous step. I always thought it was multiple steps taken very quickly.  |
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Post by Blue Hulk on Aug 5, 2022 0:43:25 GMT -5
lol
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Post by miggs on Aug 5, 2022 4:46:19 GMT -5
As of now, Giants glaring problem on front line is with Neal at right tackle and the Giants need at least a back-up center. A healthy Gates could fill both needs.
On defense, Adoree Jackson is unable to defend deep passes. The Giants should try Flott in his stead. Otherwise the Giants will be forced to play 3-safeties when Jackson is on the field.
Giants will be vulnerable on opponent's runs if they blitz too often.
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Post by kerryisdaman on Aug 5, 2022 13:29:21 GMT -5
If Gates was 100% healthy and ready (unlikely) he might become my starter at center.
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Post by TCHOF on Aug 6, 2022 20:28:23 GMT -5
As of now, Giants glaring problem on front line is with Neal at right tackle and the Giants need at least a back-up center. A healthy Gates could fill both needs. On defense, Adoree Jackson is unable to defend deep passes. The Giants should try Flott in his stead. Otherwise the Giants will be forced to play 3-safeties when Jackson is on the field. Giants will be vulnerable on opponent's runs if they blitz too often. Adoree had a good season last year and by all accounts has had a great camp. He is our #1 CB … by a mile |
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Post by jimmieray on Aug 7, 2022 7:59:37 GMT -5
As of now, Giants glaring problem on front line is with Neal at right tackle and the Giants need at least a back-up center. A healthy Gates could fill both needs. On defense, Adoree Jackson is unable to defend deep passes. The Giants should try Flott in his stead. Otherwise the Giants will be forced to play 3-safeties when Jackson is on the field. Giants will be vulnerable on opponent's runs if they blitz too often. Adoree had a good season last year and by all accounts has had a great camp. He is our #1 CB … by a mile I'm confused, as to where we are with our DBs and receivers. Supposedly our receivers are below average as a group, and we will have issues stretching the field. But then I see videos and reports of scoring plays and guys having great days. Does that mean our back end defense will be very vulnerable? |
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Post by leonperry on Aug 7, 2022 8:28:40 GMT -5
Adoree had a good season last year and by all accounts has had a great camp. He is our #1 CB … by a mile . Supposedly our receivers are below average as a group, and we will have issues stretching the field. But then I see videos and reports of scoring plays and guys having great days. Does that mean our back end defense will be very vulnerable? if where we are seems muddled, maybe that actually means that you have a good situation here- namely, a good back-n-forth between the 2 groups where no one has the upper hand overall revealing one unit as a glaring weakness, but rather the practices have served to elevate each group's game by the competition. Hopefully not indicative that they're both bad... Least I hope so... |
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Post by miggs on Aug 7, 2022 8:54:25 GMT -5
Giant receivers overall are excellent. So are tight ends Ballinger and free agent Andre Miller.
Robinson will prove to be far superior to Jackson covering long passes.
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Post by jimmieray on Aug 7, 2022 9:30:05 GMT -5
I'm confused, as to where we are with our DBs and receivers. Supposedly our receivers are below average as a group, and we will have issues stretching the field. But then I see videos and reports of scoring plays and guys having great days. Does that mean our back end defense will be very vulnerable? if where we are seems muddled, maybe that actually means that you have a good situation here- namely, a good back-n-forth between the 2 groups where no one has the upper hand overall revealing one unit as a glaring weakness, but rather the practices have served to elevate each group's game by the competition. Hopefully not indicative that they're both bad... Least I hope so... It does seem that we have a group of receivers (Barkley included), who can find space in the short game now. That is something other teams have worked that for long scoring drives and worn our defenses down in the past. That should at least elevate our ability to counter, come actual games. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Aug 7, 2022 9:34:05 GMT -5
if where we are seems muddled, maybe that actually means that you have a good situation here- namely, a good back-n-forth between the 2 groups where no one has the upper hand overall revealing one unit as a glaring weakness, but rather the practices have served to elevate each group's game by the competition. Hopefully not indicative that they're both bad... Least I hope so... It does seem that we have a group of receivers (Barkley included), who can find space in the short game now. That is something other teams have worked that for long scoring drives and worn our defenses down in the past. That should at least elevate our ability to counter, come actual games. I'm still worried that we won't really have anything to push the safeties back into a deep zone where our short game would flourish as of now While not really Ideal for this role maybe Golladay can be the guy that forces this because it's looking like Slayton won't be the other guy... Maybe Toney can be the Tyreek Hill guy that does everything.. |
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Post by jimmieray on Aug 7, 2022 9:40:25 GMT -5
It does seem that we have a group of receivers (Barkley included), who can find space in the short game now. That is something other teams have worked that for long scoring drives and worn our defenses down in the past. That should at least elevate our ability to counter, come actual games. I'm still worried that we won't really have anything to push the safeties back into a deep zone where our short game would flourish as of now While not really Ideal for this role maybe Golladay can be the guy that forces this because it's looking like Slayton won't be the other guy... Maybe Toney can be the Tyreek Hill guy that does everything.. Well, if the scheme has guys doing multiple facets, and no one set in a certain role - you can keep defenses guessing, and get a non-straight line receiver open deeper for that. But again with the line, you need more time to throw in those situations. |
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Post by Jomo on Aug 7, 2022 9:46:47 GMT -5
If Gates was 100% healthy and ready (unlikely) he might become my starter at center. Which says a lot about the state of our OL, doesn't it? |
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Post by kerryisdaman on Aug 7, 2022 9:57:58 GMT -5
If Gates was 100% healthy and ready (unlikely) he might become my starter at center. Which says a lot about the state of our OL, doesn't it? True but also because I really liked Gates. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Aug 7, 2022 10:17:08 GMT -5
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Post by imgrate on Aug 7, 2022 11:36:00 GMT -5
Nice! Wonder when/if he was cleared to strength train his legs. Any idea? Probably "easy" to keep upper body strength with a broken leg, but lower body strength is what wins for his position. |
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Post by GameTime on Aug 7, 2022 14:55:03 GMT -5
Nice! Wonder when/if he was cleared to strength train his legs. Any idea? Probably "easy" to keep upper body strength with a broken leg, but lower body strength is what wins for his position. not sure. I dont see him playing anytime soon. They will wait as long as they can to designate him. |
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Post by Jomo on Aug 8, 2022 19:18:14 GMT -5
Which says a lot about the state of our OL, doesn't it? True but also because I really liked Gates. I like him too but he's ordinary until he proves otherwise. Isn't he? |
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Post by kerryisdaman on Aug 8, 2022 19:32:28 GMT -5
True but also because I really liked Gates. I like him too but he's ordinary until he proves otherwise. Isn't he? I thought he played above average in the second half of 2021 but I could be wrong. |
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Post by DandyDon on Aug 8, 2022 19:41:46 GMT -5
Gates would be a great come back story. But any Giants fan planning on him having an effect this year is delusional.
Taking unopposed snaps is nice. Playing center in the NFL after that injury is another.
He'll be lucky to come back period.
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Post by Jomo on Aug 8, 2022 19:44:12 GMT -5
I like him too but he's ordinary until he proves otherwise. Isn't he? I thought he played above average in the second half of 2021 but I could be wrong. For me, ordinary and above average are about the same. They are both starters and not studs. Most importantly they don't suck. |
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Post by imgrate on Aug 8, 2022 20:56:27 GMT -5
I thought he played above average in the second half of 2021 but I could be wrong. For me, ordinary and above average are about the same. They are both starters and not studs. Most importantly they don't suck. Which makes them all-world compared to our OL of the last 5+ years |
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