A man of composure and will - Daniel Jones - The Unsung Hero

[idkaname]

Daniel Jones is this, Daniel Jones is that…

Daniel “Danny Dimes” Jones is a bad mother brother…the future…coming soon!

[piddy283]

Jul 29, 2022 22:54:15 GMT -5 idkaname said:

Daniel Jones is this, Daniel Jones is that…

Daniel “Danny Dimes” Jones is a bad mother brother…the future…coming soon!

I hope the kid balls out, but I have a hard time seeing him as the future no matter what he does this season. He’s missed his window with the giants in my opinion. Teams in a rebuild don’t suddenly improve when their QB gets paid their 2nd contract. Heck, even good teams typically take a step back after their QB gets paid.

The only way I’d take him is on a 2-3 year deal for relatively cheap. If jones balls out, he won’t be cheap. This is one reason why I liked the Tyrod Taylor signing so much. He may very well be our stop gap next season, and his contract would allow us to continue to build the core of this team.

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I want to keep Jones soooo bad. He’s ****ing dangerous. But like last year I said I don’t feel he’s going to be anything but an awesome backup for another team. It’s all unfair until we give this guy a line. Some QBs can…and some QBs can’t. I think Jones is a guy who can’t unless he’s got some quality tools to work with. It’s alright cause I think a lot of you fools who are calling disaster are going to be a little surprised this year. I bet we get 9 wins.

[Roswell]

Hopefully the pieces are in place for Jones to get the fair shot he deserves.

He works very hard and deserves all the support that ownership, the players and especially the fans can give him.

[GameTime]

Jul 30, 2022 3:57:31 GMT -5 piddy283 said:

Jul 29, 2022 22:54:15 GMT -5 idkaname said:

Daniel Jones is this, Daniel Jones is that…

Daniel “Danny Dimes” Jones is a bad mother brother…the future…coming soon!

I hope the kid balls out, but I have a hard time seeing him as the future no matter what he does this season. He’s missed his window with the giants in my opinion. Teams in a rebuild don’t suddenly improve when their QB gets paid their 2nd contract. Heck, even good teams typically take a step back after their QB gets paid.

The only way I’d take him is on a 2-3 year deal for relatively cheap. If jones balls out, he won’t be cheap. This is one reason why I liked the Tyrod Taylor signing so much. He may very well be our stop gap next season, and his contract would allow us to continue to build the core of this team.

Nah...if he "balls out" they will keep him for sure.  Not signing him in that situation sets them back for sure and brings in more uncertainty.  Schoen and Daboll will have turned around a player that most think can't make as a franchise QB. That is equally good if not better than picking their own QB. Schoen and Daboll's careers depend in success. If they have it they won;t let it go. 

[miggs]

For the first time in his career Jones is playing in a very good offensive system. Withhold your opinions till the season starts. Till then you have no basis for having a negative opinion of him. A lot rests on the Giants offensive line providing him with the protection a QB needs.

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He's gone after this year...he simply doesn't have it

Average arm talent
Can't throw on on the run
Weak pocket awareness with poor internal clock
Securing the football issues
Injury prone due to inability to slide

Tyrod will be grooming next years rookie QB 

Hope I'm wrong, but he would have to improve on some very difficult QB traits in 1 year, and despite all the excuses, we have not seen much if any progress...and any we can point out (less fumbles) he has shown regression in other areas. 

[GameTime]

Jul 30, 2022 7:36:32 GMT -5 Aris said:

He's gone after this year...he simply doesn't have it

Average arm talent
Can't throw on on the run
Weak pocket awareness with poor internal clock
Securing the football issues
Injury prone due to inability to slide

Tyrod will be grooming next years rookie QB 

Hope I'm wrong, but he would have to improve on some very difficult QB traits in 1 year, and despite all the excuses, we have not seen much if any progress...and any we can point out (less fumbles) he has shown regression in other areas. 

if he doesnt improve by a very large margin he will be gone. Thats obvious.  The odds are he won't. Not many QBs with 3 full years in his position wind up a franchise QB. 

With that said he IS getting a chance and will he have a long leash. Schoen and Daboll are gambling and its not a total loss if Jones doesnt make it but it will set them back and there is never a guarantee that the will ever find a franchise QB. They want him to succeed big time. 

[Fletch842]

Jul 30, 2022 7:50:22 GMT -5 GameTime said:

Jul 30, 2022 7:36:32 GMT -5 Aris said:

He's gone after this year...he simply doesn't have it

Average arm talent
Can't throw on on the run
Weak pocket awareness with poor internal clock
Securing the football issues
Injury prone due to inability to slide

Tyrod will be grooming next years rookie QB 

Hope I'm wrong, but he would have to improve on some very difficult QB traits in 1 year, and despite all the excuses, we have not seen much if any progress...and any we can point out (less fumbles) he has shown regression in other areas. 

if he doesnt improve by a very large margin he will be gone. Thats obvious.  The odds are he won't. Not many QBs with 3 full years in his position wind up a franchise QB. 

With that said he IS getting a chance and will he have a long leash. Schoen and Daboll are gambling and its not a total loss if Jones doesnt make it but it will set them back and there is never a guarantee that the will ever find a franchise QB. They want him to succeed big time. 

and given our cap situation and all the other factors that we've rehashed repeatedly it wasn't much of a gamble at that...

[BlueReign]

Jul 30, 2022 6:12:37 GMT -5 Roswell said:

Hopefully the pieces are in place for Jones to get the fair shot he deserves.

He works very hard and deserves all the support that ownership, the players and especially the fans can give him.

This resonates with me because I feel like Jones never truly got a fair chance. He never had the proper coaching or blocking to succeed. By all accounts, he is a great kid and, as you said, deserves the support he seems to be receiving this season. I think he can break out and I wouldn't be surprised with a 30 TD/ 10 INT type season.

[GameTime]

Jul 30, 2022 8:15:02 GMT -5 Fletch842 said:

Jul 30, 2022 7:50:22 GMT -5 GameTime said:

if he doesnt improve by a very large margin he will be gone. Thats obvious.  The odds are he won't. Not many QBs with 3 full years in his position wind up a franchise QB. 

With that said he IS getting a chance and will he have a long leash. Schoen and Daboll are gambling and its not a total loss if Jones doesnt make it but it will set them back and there is never a guarantee that the will ever find a franchise QB. They want him to succeed big time. 

and given our cap situation and all the other factors that we've rehashed repeatedly it wasn't much of a gamble at that...

Jones is not the only gamble. This franchise/org is a mess. It was a big gamble, in general, for them to come here and try to get it right. They may have some degree of a pass for 2022 but the pressure is still on them to succeed. Their career's depend on it. 

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Jul 30, 2022 7:50:22 GMT -5 GameTime said:

Jul 30, 2022 7:36:32 GMT -5 Aris said:

He's gone after this year...he simply doesn't have it

Average arm talent
Can't throw on on the run
Weak pocket awareness with poor internal clock
Securing the football issues
Injury prone due to inability to slide

Tyrod will be grooming next years rookie QB 

Hope I'm wrong, but he would have to improve on some very difficult QB traits in 1 year, and despite all the excuses, we have not seen much if any progress...and any we can point out (less fumbles) he has shown regression in other areas. 

if he doesnt improve by a very large margin he will be gone. Thats obvious.  The odds are he won't. Not many QBs with 3 full years in his position wind up a franchise QB. 

With that said he IS getting a chance and will he have a long leash. Schoen and Daboll are gambling and its not a total loss if Jones doesnt make it but it will set them back and there is never a guarantee that the will ever find a franchise QB. They want him to succeed big time. 

I'm gonna disagree with this

I believe if he stumbles out of the gate, TT takes over sooner than later, and at the very least gets the offense somewhat off the ground and into the coaches view and enough to improve the other areas of importance moving forward ... ready for the next QB to be groomed.

Jones will have to come out steamrolling and he firing a high percentage of passes, TD's and red zone kills....Gettlemagic might have never got this and that for him, but at this point it matters nil. 

There was QB crap in the last draft, and DJ cheap enough to garner another year attempt at a deep three pointer....but I'm sensing a brick. 

[GameTime]

Jul 30, 2022 8:31:04 GMT -5 Aris said:

Jul 30, 2022 7:50:22 GMT -5 GameTime said:

if he doesnt improve by a very large margin he will be gone. Thats obvious.  The odds are he won't. Not many QBs with 3 full years in his position wind up a franchise QB. 

With that said he IS getting a chance and will he have a long leash. Schoen and Daboll are gambling and its not a total loss if Jones doesnt make it but it will set them back and there is never a guarantee that the will ever find a franchise QB. They want him to succeed big time. 

I'm gonna disagree with this

I believe if he stumbles out of the gate, TT takes over sooner than later, and at the very least gets the offense somewhat off the ground and into the coaches view and enough to improve the other areas of importance moving forward ... ready for the next QB to be groomed.

Jones will have to come out steamrolling and he firing a high percentage of passes, TD's and red zone kills....Gettlemagic might have never got this and that for him, but at this point it matters nil. 

There was QB crap in the last draft, and DJ cheap enough to garner another year attempt at a deep three pointer....but I'm sensing a brick. 

a long leash .....maybe a medium leash with a choke collar..lol
I know they wont let Jones' mistakes take this team too far backwards but Daboll is big on how a player bounces back from mistakes. He has said that in a few pressers. He knows Jones will make mistakes as all QBs do. The type of mistakes Jones' reaction is key. 

[Roswell]

Jul 30, 2022 7:36:32 GMT -5 Aris said:

He's gone after this year...he simply doesn't have it

Average arm talent
Can't throw on on the run
Weak pocket awareness with poor internal clock
Securing the football issues
Injury prone due to inability to slide

Tyrod will be grooming next years rookie QB 

Hope I'm wrong, but he would have to improve on some very difficult QB traits in 1 year, and despite all the excuses, we have not seen much if any progress...and any we can point out (less fumbles) he has shown regression in other areas. 

I have a right mind to tell young Danny what you just said Mr Aris. He’ll fix you up good. 😎

[Nite]

I must be in church cuz there is a lotta hope and prayers here...

*sigh* I guess for the adherents of the magic theory of footballl sez he will (might) get better, just u wait and see he'll ball out and win us 10 + games... For those of us who live in reality (a very small number it seems) most likely not given his limitations...

Hope I'm wrong (gotta say that cuz I'm still in that church)

[Rangers13]

Jul 30, 2022 8:31:04 GMT -5 Aris said:

Jul 30, 2022 7:50:22 GMT -5 GameTime said:

if he doesnt improve by a very large margin he will be gone. Thats obvious.  The odds are he won't. Not many QBs with 3 full years in his position wind up a franchise QB. 

With that said he IS getting a chance and will he have a long leash. Schoen and Daboll are gambling and its not a total loss if Jones doesnt make it but it will set them back and there is never a guarantee that the will ever find a franchise QB. They want him to succeed big time. 

I'm gonna disagree with this

I believe if he stumbles out of the gate, TT takes over sooner than later, and at the very least gets the offense somewhat off the ground and into the coaches view and enough to improve the other areas of importance moving forward ... ready for the next QB to be groomed.

Jones will long leash is my take too.  Even if he stumbles out of the gate.  Imo, Jones is going to make or break it all season b/c of a multitude of reasons starting with Taylor is not the answer, everybody knows Jones has had several coaches, multiple offenses, his contract status is short and there really isn’t any other long term option.  It’s Jones regardless imo.

[Morehead State]

"Unsung hero" seems a bit much.....hyperbole-wise.

[Nite]

Jul 30, 2022 8:31:04 GMT -5 Aris said:

Jul 30, 2022 7:50:22 GMT -5 GameTime said:

if he doesnt improve by a very large margin he will be gone. Thats obvious.  The odds are he won't. Not many QBs with 3 full years in his position wind up a franchise QB. 

With that said he IS getting a chance and will he have a long leash. Schoen and Daboll are gambling and its not a total loss if Jones doesnt make it but it will set them back and there is never a guarantee that the will ever find a franchise QB. They want him to succeed big time. 

I'm gonna disagree with this

I believe if he stumbles out of the gate, TT takes over sooner than later, and at the very least gets the offense somewhat off the ground and into the coaches view and enough to improve the other areas of importance moving forward ... ready for the next QB to be groomed.

Jones will have to come out steamrolling and he firing a high percentage of passes, TD's and red zone kills....Gettlemagic might have never got this and that for him, but at this point it matters nil. 

There was QB crap in the last draft, and DJ cheap enough to garner another year attempt at a deep three pointer....but I'm sensing a brick. 

That situation might materialize *if* Mara is able to stay out of football operations. I have doubts cuz his former boy favorite cried to daddy Mara and Mara promptly fired the HC. If DJ is the current favorite son then Daboll and Scheon will have their hands tied 

[GameTime]

Jul 30, 2022 8:54:23 GMT -5 Morehead State said:

"Unsung hero" seems a bit much.....hyperbole-wise.

the OP mentions the future is coming. 

I take that to mean Jones is not an "unsung hero" yet but may turn out to be

[GameTime]

Jul 30, 2022 8:59:12 GMT -5 Nite said:

Jul 30, 2022 8:31:04 GMT -5 Aris said:

I'm gonna disagree with this

I believe if he stumbles out of the gate, TT takes over sooner than later, and at the very least gets the offense somewhat off the ground and into the coaches view and enough to improve the other areas of importance moving forward ... ready for the next QB to be groomed.

Jones will have to come out steamrolling and he firing a high percentage of passes, TD's and red zone kills....Gettlemagic might have never got this and that for him, but at this point it matters nil. 

There was QB crap in the last draft, and DJ cheap enough to garner another year attempt at a deep three pointer....but I'm sensing a brick. 

That situation might materialize *if* Mara is able to stay out of football operations. I have doubts cuz his former boy favorite cried to daddy Mara and Mara promptly fired the HC. If DJ is the current favorite son then Daboll and Scheon will have their hands tied 

nah....if DJ doesnt overly impress this season he is gone. Mara will not impede that. Jones does not have the clout Eli earned. 

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Jul 30, 2022 8:54:05 GMT -5 Rangers13 said:

Jul 30, 2022 8:31:04 GMT -5 Aris said:

I'm gonna disagree with this

I believe if he stumbles out of the gate, TT takes over sooner than later, and at the very least gets the offense somewhat off the ground and into the coaches view and enough to improve the other areas of importance moving forward ... ready for the next QB to be groomed.

Jones will long leash is my take too.  Even if he stumbles out of the gate.  Imo, Jones is going to make or break it all season b/c of a multitude of reasons starting with Taylor is not the answer, everybody knows Jones has had several coaches, multiple offenses, his contract status is short and there really isn’t any other long term option.  It’s Jones regardless imo.

Yeah, the consensus thought no doubt...but if he's not thriving in the new system I'm not seeing stunting the other potential growth. TT knows the system, and the system is key for next year and allowing the QB to come into a system that is already smooth enough he simply can concentrate on that smoothness of where, when and why. 

Imagine a QB going into a season knowing "this is it"....the pressures, and that pressure creating a non slide once again, and all it will take is one injury...just one and well, he is done. 

[GameTime]

Jul 30, 2022 9:02:38 GMT -5 Aris said:

Jul 30, 2022 8:54:05 GMT -5 Rangers13 said:

Jones will long leash is my take too.  Even if he stumbles out of the gate.  Imo, Jones is going to make or break it all season b/c of a multitude of reasons starting with Taylor is not the answer, everybody knows Jones has had several coaches, multiple offenses, his contract status is short and there really isn’t any other long term option.  It’s Jones regardless imo.

Yeah, the consensus thought no doubt...but if he's not thriving in the new system I'm not seeing stunting the other potential growth. TT knows the system, and the system is key for next year and allowing the QB to come into a system that is already smooth enough he simply can concentrate on that smoothness of where, when and why. 

Imagine a QB going into a season knowing "this is it"....the pressures, and that pressure creating a non slide once again, and all it will take is one injury...just one and well, he is done. 

makes "sliding" even more important. A TD or a first down with an injury wont me squat for Jones

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Jul 30, 2022 9:11:35 GMT -5 GameTime said:

Jul 30, 2022 9:02:38 GMT -5 Aris said:

Yeah, the consensus thought no doubt...but if he's not thriving in the new system I'm not seeing stunting the other potential growth. TT knows the system, and the system is key for next year and allowing the QB to come into a system that is already smooth enough he simply can concentrate on that smoothness of where, when and why. 

Imagine a QB going into a season knowing "this is it"....the pressures, and that pressure creating a non slide once again, and all it will take is one injury...just one and well, he is done. 

makes "sliding" even more important. A TD or a first down with an injury wont me squat for Jones

Yeah, in all reality not giving him the year 5 has created IMMENSE pressure on him...and he just lacks too many starting QB tools let alone elite traits. 

He's gonna be playing not to lose vs relaxed and playing to win. 

It could get ugly very quickly. 

And I am not being a Debbie downer, just what I see happening without the fan base glasses and the "hope".

Of course we all hope and pray he comes out looking like Josh Allen lite .... I'd even take Alex Smith lite.

I will say if the Giants are winning a few games, he might see the entire season...but we're going rookie QB deal again next draft. 

[Rangers13]

Jul 30, 2022 9:02:38 GMT -5 Aris said:

Jul 30, 2022 8:54:05 GMT -5 Rangers13 said:

Jones will long leash is my take too.  Even if he stumbles out of the gate.  Imo, Jones is going to make or break it all season b/c of a multitude of reasons starting with Taylor is not the answer, everybody knows Jones has had several coaches, multiple offenses, his contract status is short and there really isn’t any other long term option.  It’s Jones regardless imo.

Yeah, the consensus thought no doubt...but if he's not thriving in the new system I'm not seeing stunting the other potential growth. TT knows the system, and the system is key for next year and allowing the QB to come into a system that is already smooth enough he simply can concentrate on that smoothness of where, when and why. 

Imagine a QB going into a season knowing "this is it"....the pressures, and that pressure creating a non slide once again, and all it will take is one injury...just one and well, he is done. 

stunting what other potential growth?  Taylor is 32 years old.  

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Jul 30, 2022 9:24:33 GMT -5 Rangers13 said:

Jul 30, 2022 9:02:38 GMT -5 Aris said:

Yeah, the consensus thought no doubt...but if he's not thriving in the new system I'm not seeing stunting the other potential growth. TT knows the system, and the system is key for next year and allowing the QB to come into a system that is already smooth enough he simply can concentrate on that smoothness of where, when and why. 

Imagine a QB going into a season knowing "this is it"....the pressures, and that pressure creating a non slide once again, and all it will take is one injury...just one and well, he is done. 

stunting what other potential growth?  Taylor is 32 years old.  

Guys who block, guys who run, guys who catch....the actual "team". If Jones throws picks, fumbles, misses wide open receivers while throwing it away....calls the wrong audible...the system suffers. TT? I'm not looking to growing him...lol. Taylor is at least familiar with this system, and it's not just the QB whom is learning the playbook....all get handed out to every player.  

One thing you could truly appreciate watching Buffalo, is how much they practiced broken plays...the plays where Allen extends it due to a rush or receivers not being open, They were the best in the NFL at it...and practiced in endlessly. 

This is where IMHO Jones looks horrible, and why teams are drafting guys that not only run when they see man coverage, but throw on the run with different arm angles. Another system failure and where Jones, if he is able to not fumble, lacks ability. 

You can get the last word in....I've made my position known...I do not believe Jones is going to be the QB following next year....and he will be benched if we go 0-4 to start the season with he looking lost. 

[GameTime]

Jul 30, 2022 9:22:55 GMT -5 Aris said:

Jul 30, 2022 9:11:35 GMT -5 GameTime said:

makes "sliding" even more important. A TD or a first down with an injury wont me squat for Jones

Yeah, in all reality not giving him the year 5 has created IMMENSE pressure on him...and he just lacks too many starting QB tools let alone elite traits. 

He's gonna be playing not to lose vs relaxed and playing to win. 

It could get ugly very quickly. 

And I am not being a Debbie downer, just what I see happening without the fan base glasses and the "hope".

Of course we all hope and pray he comes out looking like Josh Allen lite .... I'd even take Alex Smith lite.

I will say if the Giants are winning a few games, he might see the entire season...but we're going rookie QB deal again next draft. 

He has all the tools. He just doesnt know how to use them yet. You are  not  being a downer at all. Look at my avatar!!...lol
Jones getting it done is a big a long shot. At this point I'd rather look at why he may succeed then why he won't. 

[Rangers13]

Jul 30, 2022 9:41:59 GMT -5 Aris said:

Jul 30, 2022 9:24:33 GMT -5 Rangers13 said:

stunting what other potential growth?  Taylor is 32 years old.  

Guys who block, guys who run, guys who catch....the actual "team". If Jones throws picks, fumbles, misses wide open receivers while throwing it away....calls the wrong audible...the system suffers. TT? I'm not looking to growing him...lol. Taylor is at least familiar with this system, and it's not just the QB whom is learning the playbook....all get handed out to every player.  

One thing you could truly appreciate watching Buffalo, is how much they practiced broken plays...the plays where Allen extends it due to a rush or receivers not being open, They were the best in the NFL at it...and practiced in endlessly. 

This is where IMHO Jones looks horrible, and why teams are drafting guys that not only run when they see man coverage, but throw on the run with different arm angles. Another system failure and where Jones, if he is able to not fumble, lacks ability. 

You can get the lat word in....I've made my position known...I do not believe Jones is going to be the QB following next year....and he will be benched if we go 0-4 to start the season with he looking lost. 

good points and, yeah the OL, HB’s, etc need a chance to get better.  Just guessing it’s not an 0-4 trainwreck.  The following year, not sure either if Jones is the QB.  So much has to go right for him to return while i don’t love any of the QB prospects coming out this year.  You just can’t have so many top 10 picks in every round for so many years and still be sitting with a big question mark.  It’s not fair to anybody beyond the hierarchy 

[shocknaweny]

I think he will have to basically lead them to the playoffs to stay in town 

[piddy283]

Jul 30, 2022 7:22:49 GMT -5 GameTime said:

Jul 30, 2022 3:57:31 GMT -5 piddy283 said:

I hope the kid balls out, but I have a hard time seeing him as the future no matter what he does this season. He’s missed his window with the giants in my opinion. Teams in a rebuild don’t suddenly improve when their QB gets paid their 2nd contract. Heck, even good teams typically take a step back after their QB gets paid.

The only way I’d take him is on a 2-3 year deal for relatively cheap. If jones balls out, he won’t be cheap. This is one reason why I liked the Tyrod Taylor signing so much. He may very well be our stop gap next season, and his contract would allow us to continue to build the core of this team.

Nah...if he "balls out" they will keep him for sure.  Not signing him in that situation sets them back for sure and brings in more uncertainty.  Schoen and Daboll will have turned around a player that most think can't make as a franchise QB. That is equally good if not better than picking their own QB. Schoen and Daboll's careers depend in success. If they have it they won;t let it go. 

I don’t know. I think overpaying an oft injured QB for one good season is more likely to set the franchise back years than moving on. I’ll gladly be wrong through.

[krappdetector]

Jul 30, 2022 7:36:32 GMT -5 Aris said:

He's gone after this year...he simply doesn't have it

Average arm talent
Can't throw on on the run
Weak pocket awareness with poor internal clock
Securing the football issues
Injury prone due to inability to slide

Tyrod will be grooming next years rookie QB 

Hope I'm wrong, but he would have to improve on some very difficult QB traits in 1 year, and despite all the excuses, we have not seen much if any progress...and any we can point out (less fumbles) he has shown regression in other areas. 

... and I think he has a 'tell' because his last glance prior to a snap very often shows where he's going with a pass.
Maybe a prelude to 'staring down the receiver'?